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No I’m stubborn.
Interesting idea. Can you elaborate?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:15 pmThe night 1 kill reads to me as a very active candidate that the mafia team is trying to eliminate. So the stifling worthwhile discussion route might be in play here?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:01 pmDay 1 creature: I don’t like this too boring
Day 2 creature: I don’t like this it got boring
I have a problem lynching creature and Jack.
Okay, so if not Sloonei, Sprityo, or Creature who’s your target? Or don’t know yet?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:59 am I’ve been scum with sprityo and he’s a fair amount more calculated. I won’t vote him.
It is, as far as I can tell, currently a tie between them.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:28 amNone taken.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 amNo offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.
Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.
Why is it becoming a tie between them?
Flip side argument: Sloonei knew that Epi was townreading him and killed him before he could change his mind.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:02 amIn defence of Sloonei, I’d like to quote this. I’d imagine Epi knows Sloonei’s Town and Mafia playstyles like the back of his hand. Unlike everyone else in this game, we can be certain of his alignment. If Epi has anointed Sloonei Town, that’s good enough for me.Spoiler: show
Haven’t played here in some large amount of months and outside of one game on hcrealms a year ago I haven’t played anywhere else.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:49 amCan I please get an explanation of the off-topic component of this post?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:59 am Guys it’s good to be playing again. I’m glad we’ve gotten back into the part I remember where everyone starts throwing things at each other and I get very confused because everyone is both so town and so wolf. I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to play in the future but I’ll resolve to put in a game every so often. Thank y’all for making it enjoyable. Most of the time.
Okay I was gonna iso Colin but I’m tired so I’m not sure how far I’ll get.
Epi or Sloonei based on phase zero activity. Maybe LC. I feel like Jack would be too obvious for me and you’d posted like 4 times so I’d be scared.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:29 am I'd recruit Epi because he's funny in BTSC but that ship already sailed in that I'm not mafia and also he's not mafia.
Or Tony or Mac or LC. So basically most of my townreads.
Discuss!
There was some indignant analysis on behalf of Sloonei from creature’s post from me and Epi and someone else I think. This doesn’t strike me as very indignant analysis directly from Sloonei. This is more of a meta thing I can’t say how Sloonei would react to this if he were town/not town.
You brought this up earlier in the game in response to Jack being goofy about you and Colin? being w/w.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:27 amI continue to dislike the approach which looks for the complete scum team before anyone has actually heen caught. It leads to reads like this.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:21 amThat's the flavour of why I like sprityo as w/w there.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:17 am That is the correct response from Sloonei though at that time Spirtyo had a solid 7? posts so the counting is off
Oh I see throw Sprityo in with other low posters even though he’s produced as much content as some of the others who didn’t get put in that group (a la Jack)Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:21 amThat's the flavour of why I like sprityo as w/w there.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:17 am That is the correct response from Sloonei though at that time Spirtyo had a solid 7? posts so the counting is off
I’m ISOing Sloonei on my phone and I’ve gotta say it’s not fun.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:41 pm While the end result was uninspiring, I don't feel like this day was unproductive. The reason I had such a difficult time voting is because I had a number of players I was reading firmly as town, but none that I was reading firmly as scum. That's a good thing.
This for me? I’ll take it anyways. Civ feels from Sabie is a bit of an overstatement I think that’s a disingenuous read on my posts. That’s still a case worth pursuing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:31 pmFor most. It's a good rule. If you're going to have a completely open setup, I think it's most balanced at zero claiming, zero hinting, zero tolerance so I dig it.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:14 pmI'm not going to "claim Town" if I get accused. I mean, the rules specifically state that the only alignment anyone can claim is Town, so it's truly meaningless by design.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:04 pmI'm afraid to even talk about Glor's alignment for fear he'll claim town.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:53 pmI would lynch Glorfindel if I suspected he were Mafia. I could lynch Glorf actually. Today. He's operating within a charming schtick that I assume is supported by some sort of JJJ instructional video that I have yet to watch. What a way to keep to the tight and narrow as a baddie. Schtick-and-roadmap, all in one.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm The number of people here that wouldn’t lynch Glor if he said “I am town” but who are voting Creature is interesting.
I think Tony is town though.
You got civ feels from Sabie, Tony. I'm clearly town. Same for Creature.
From your perspective, that's a dang good start. So where should we go?
I have thoughts on this but I’m not sure how to phrase them.
If you had to switch one scum label for one town what would it beCreature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:53 pmWanna talk about this?Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:31 pm Player salad:
Creature - Town
TonyStarkPrime - Town
Sloonei - Scum suspect
MacDougall - Town
Long Con - Town
ColinIsCool - Scum suspect
Glorfindel - Town
Jackofhearts2005 - Probtown
sabie12 - Scum suspect
sprityo - Scum suspect
Oreki - Scum suspect
Dragomir - Scum suspect
Sabie, someone trying to implicate Sabie, someone trying to implicate you, someone scared of Epi are the four simplest motivations.sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:45 pm okay that was easy and with an hour and a half to spare
so quick player salad:
Jackofhearts2005 - N/A
Oreki - N/A
Dragoteeth - N/A
ColinIsCool - scum
Creature - scum
Long Con - scum
sabie12 scum
Sloonei - scum
TonyStarkPrime - town
Glorfindel - town
MacDougall - town
So really my issue right now is why are we only talking about the day 1 events and no one is talking about possible epi killers.
personally reading all of that made me want to lynch epi. but someone obviously felt threatened enough by him either directly, or his presence alone to kill him straight away.
thoughts?
my strange take on this is that no mafioso would post this with half an hour before the revelation that Epi had died.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:18 pm4. You'll find out in the morning!Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:01 pmDid you pick me LC?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:57 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:54 pmI know the person I would pick for this little surprise.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:45 pm Just so we're all aware of the crucial dynamic at play in the early stages here, this scum role exists:
A player who was town on Day 1 will be mafia on Day 2. They did not target BWT because neither of the votes against him would have counted yesterday if that was the case.Once during the game during Phase 0 (no later, if you do not submit the action on time it will be wasted), you may select a player to apprehend and dip. That player will undergo the process of mutation in three stages:
Stage 1: During the day phase following being dipped (Day 1), the player will experience a huge increase in physical size and strength. He or she will be immune to two votes in the poll that day.
Stage 2: During the night phase following being dipped (Night 1), the player will lose command of their emotional and rational faculties, becoming wild and enraged. His or her night action will target randomly, unbeknownst to him or her.
Stage 3: At the start of the day phase following Stage 2 (Day 2), the player will have fully transformed into a supermutant. He or she will be ready to serve The Master as a member of your faction included in your BTSC. That player's original abilities will not be retained
[End Dialogue]Epignosis...
1. If I'm bad and picked you, voting you might expose you, which would be counterproductive.
2. Maybe...
3. You'd be a liability! Anyway, I think it would be prudent to consider the way the votes moved around Day 1 to see if any clues can be found on this matter.
This reads very differently if LC was about to give the idea to kill Epi.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:01 pmDid you pick me LC?Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:57 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:54 pmI know the person I would pick for this little surprise.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:45 pm Just so we're all aware of the crucial dynamic at play in the early stages here, this scum role exists:
A player who was town on Day 1 will be mafia on Day 2. They did not target BWT because neither of the votes against him would have counted yesterday if that was the case.Once during the game during Phase 0 (no later, if you do not submit the action on time it will be wasted), you may select a player to apprehend and dip. That player will undergo the process of mutation in three stages:
Stage 1: During the day phase following being dipped (Day 1), the player will experience a huge increase in physical size and strength. He or she will be immune to two votes in the poll that day.
Stage 2: During the night phase following being dipped (Night 1), the player will lose command of their emotional and rational faculties, becoming wild and enraged. His or her night action will target randomly, unbeknownst to him or her.
Stage 3: At the start of the day phase following Stage 2 (Day 2), the player will have fully transformed into a supermutant. He or she will be ready to serve The Master as a member of your faction included in your BTSC. That player's original abilities will not be retained
[End Dialogue]
1. If I'm bad and picked you, voting you might expose you, which would be counterproductive.
2. Maybe...
3. You'd be a liability! Anyway, I think it would be prudent to consider the way the votes moved around Day 1 to see if any clues can be found on this matter.
there's the no u.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:28 pm Well, your points against me are based on completely normal behaviour for me, which tells me that you are mafia, trying to invent a case by necessity. Shrugging off the responsibility for your final Day 1 vote to Epi and sloondog is also sketchy behaviour, buddying them while sheeping.
Some fair amount of "no u" here which is in the category of things I generally perceive as town but I don't want to get in the habit of doing so because it's not easy to deal with. This is the first time LC mentions Colin and the case isn't strong but it's short and to the point with the analysis. LC distills the entire case into 2 points and then makes the counter in a sentence. GTH this is town but I can't tell you why.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:18 pmColin already talked about me. I just saw it in his ISO. He says:
1. I'm surfacey, when I'm usually not, and
2. He doesn't like my ratio of content to non-content.
He kind of wanted people to vote for me, but then decided to accuse Jack of the same thing and then later vote sprityo because Epi and sloonei were doing it.
I think Colin looks pretty bad. Good night Westley. Thank you for everything, I'll most likely vote you in the morning.
You didn't ask me to do anything as far as I can tellMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:49 am I asked them to talk about each other. It's a tactic. I didn't ask you to analyse them as partners.
Disagree here. Not gonna pull any up because mobile but the early posts seemed well within town range and represented some value to get things done.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:19 pm Long Con's intro posts are what I expect from wolves generally. On quick skim I got pinged by his "use jokes to break the ice" early game.
Good thing to note. Also the first town read given in the game which has to count for something but probably not much. No one has ever accounted for the random townread on Mac given Mac had like 2 posts. Way too obvious to be w/w but then I could say the same about Creature.Bookmarked for if we ever see a LC wolf flip.
Doubting a lightly tossed day 1 Vote? Really?Blasphemous Glorf vote. But he post scripts it with a joke to offset the potential heat in might draw. Not a confident vote. Sketchy.
This is solid analysis but it also couldn’t have been coordinated with Epi given Epi being Town. LC would have had to be very lucky to get such an excuse but if he’s a wolf he would snap at the opportunity.Drops Glorfindel vote with no explanation (fine I guess) to switch to Sabie (good).Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:38 am This Sabie chat from the Jack-Mac attack doesn't lack. I'll slap a vote on the Sabester. [VOTE: Sabie] aubergine
@sprityo Seeing all the votes on one page is not the intended benefit of Aubergine. We're supposed to be able to see all the votes in one search.
Quickly drops Sabie vote due to confcivEpi's pointing out of her bad history. Undoes the good look from previous. If Sabie wolfflips LC is high percentage partner.
LC scum really wants Epi dead for X reason where X reason is unknown. I’d say bad look? I’ll get to Colin.Vote on a dead civ... this is a good look I think. I'm not sure an LC scum team kill Epi after LC leaves his vote out here like that. It's too brazen. Or maybe wifom. Hmm. Null I guess due to wifom potential.
His engagement with Colin reads okay but it also has a bit of bloodlust about it given that Colin was fending me off when LC came lurking. Going after a weakened target. A lot can be said about LC with a Colin flip and vice versa. Do not think w/w though.
I guess same goes for sprit? In theory?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:15 pm But also if Sabie isn’t going to be around as much there’s no point pursuing that than cases against those who’ll at least say something.
Epi wants to be bad that means he’s good nowEpignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:54 pmI know the person I would pick for this little surprise.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:45 pm Just so we're all aware of the crucial dynamic at play in the early stages here, this scum role exists:
A player who was town on Day 1 will be mafia on Day 2. They did not target BWT because neither of the votes against him would have counted yesterday if that was the case.Once during the game during Phase 0 (no later, if you do not submit the action on time it will be wasted), you may select a player to apprehend and dip. That player will undergo the process of mutation in three stages:
Stage 1: During the day phase following being dipped (Day 1), the player will experience a huge increase in physical size and strength. He or she will be immune to two votes in the poll that day.
Stage 2: During the night phase following being dipped (Night 1), the player will lose command of their emotional and rational faculties, becoming wild and enraged. His or her night action will target randomly, unbeknownst to him or her.
Stage 3: At the start of the day phase following Stage 2 (Day 2), the player will have fully transformed into a supermutant. He or she will be ready to serve The Master as a member of your faction included in your BTSC. That player's original abilities will not be retained
[End Dialogue]
I’d tend to agree with this analysis.
I’ve been doing well. Life’s been busy but I’m glad to be back.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:13 amTony, I’m glad you’re in this game. How’ve you been?
Fair and I can understand it.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:01 amI wasn't thinking he was bad just that his suspicion of me is incorrect. I figured he was trying to push me to post reads or something since I only had a couple posts at that point but I suck at trying to make day 1 reads. I at least try to though. Whoever is bad though would just have to plant a seed of doubt about me and I'm a really easy target for a mislynch but any of the people suspecting me could be doing that. In the borderlands game mac was a civ and led a mislynch on me based on him misinterpreting information. Obviously I don't want to continue to be night killed or lynched day 1 or 2 but I also don't want people to not play the game how they want to because they feel bad for me as TSP was suggesting. I just point out that a lot of times people misinterpret or misunderstand me. Epi pointing out that I get killed off quickly so often did make me upset (at the situation) but all I can do is keep trying to get better and not let it bother me. I don't want people feeling bad for me I just want people to take the time to try to understand where I'm coming from or what I'm trying to say. Such as I've been criticized before for putting all my thoughts into one long post but I dont have a computer and I'm typically pretty busy IRL so that's what works for me.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:13 pmThat isn't helpful. I know the answer to that question. What's more important is this: Is Mac bad here?sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:49 pm I'm sorry BWT RIP! I agree this lynch was difficult because I felt I had some town reads but I was unsure about some of the less active players. I felt like it was out of character of Jack and spirityo to not be as involved as they usually are hopefully they'll come in and participate more. I'm still iffy on them. I think the shorter than usual day phase may have also caught some people off guard.
And to answer epis question mac has definitely been wrong about me before.
1. Yes.
2. No.
Im at least participating and trying to figure things out as much as I can. It would be nice to hear some thoughts from some of the other people who haven't been around as much or discussed thoughts on the game so far.
A read but not mine. I would never and apparently Mac would never feel the need to make excuses for a spirtyo (I think) vote but that’s a reasonable town direction and unless someone can show me that Colin feels guilty when he’s maf I’m going to say that it’s well within townie behavior.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:30 pmHis vote was lame and his need to explain it shows guilty conscience so no.
