The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:10 pm I knew it was ending, but also, Creature's activity of late had no effect on my vote. I saw Sloonei and Epi were voting for sprit and I trust them so far so I voted there.
You town read me and liked my actual case but moved off it to sheep two people voting for worse reasons. That's certainly what I expect of the lazy civ play I associate with this site.

Epi actually deeply analysed Sabie and found her suspect. All he did to put his vote on sprit was quote his posts and say yuck.

I hate this game sometimes.

Fair but wow.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:10 pm Sloonei's switch to birdwithteeth looks bad now

This is dumb and what makes me suspect creature outside of just potential w/w with sabie.

Though I don’t buy the narrative that creature came in and caused a firestorm it seems like most of the game played around him just fine.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:59 pm Also: I’m not currently in a position to figure out what has happened but you better bet I’m gonna sit down with a lot of paper tonight and map this out.

I sat down with a notepad and did not get as much done as I thought because the voting doesn’t make sense. In a four way tie each member could theoretically save themself if they were so inclined.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:47 pm moved my vote back to birdwithteeth. i am spinning.

Oh well okay

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:43 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine let's see how this feels

Wait wait wait what I did not see this the first time

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:32 pm Yawn

[VOTE: birthdaywithteeth] aubergine

This is not creative creative is you Vote for Mac or glorf or Sloonei or me or Epi or not someone in lynch contention

I never like to be on the top lynch because I have some of that innate contrarian vibe that Creature seems to have so I understand maybe the idea here.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:26 am Player salad.
birdwithteeth
sprityo
Jack
maybe Long Con

I’m only vaguely aware of what player salad means. I googled it and my home forum came up in a game I played(ish). In what was technically my last mafia game I didn’t show up and died night one. Also Sloonei you were in that game so we have played together!

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:25 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.
Actually you're somewhat right.

The people townreading me right now is pretty suspicious.

I agree. ! ? ! Not sure what to do about it but if I were a better player maybe I could understand this.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:23 pm Well it's close to end of day so I think my biggest suspicion is on Jack. I think he is not acting his typical civ self and he hasnt been contributing the way he normally does and getting the discussion going. Hes usually really aggressive in finding baddies and I'm just not seeing it this time around.

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

Flippity floppity

Was Sabie the first person to give a sus read on Jack? I think me or Sloonei might have done it first but I’m not sure I’ll check maybe if I remember to. In any case this could be an attempt to just look like taking a stand but from a purely neutral standpoint I like that someone in lynch contention votes for someone with no votes on them if that’s what their read is.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:05 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:03 pm Why are we not voting out the no-show? [VOTE: DRAGOMIR] aubergine

Sloonei wrote:I seem to recall Dragomir had to drop out of two games simultaneously recently because of internet troubles?

Which players are suspicious enough to vote for over a player that's a shot in the dark?
I guess I'd vote Long Con because I don't like his ratio of content : not-content. I don't think others would follow me there though.

Also town I think? but not sure why Colin just doesn’t drop the vote there? No one’s following him onto the dragon so it’s not like that’s the issue.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.

glorf gonna glorf
Someone else tell me what to think of this if you want but I love it. I think the golden haired elf is probably my fourth strongest town read.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:10 pm Well out of the options currently being voted for Im more inclined to go with bwt as they have been voting with no explanation and haven't put forth as much effort as they normally do.
Epi could be bad with his hiding behind the video game speak but I always find him so hard to read.

I've said in multiple games that Jack has a different way of posting when good and bad. Other people also have utilized this knowledge of how people act in games to gauge what alignment people might be. Why does that make me bad? I sometimes feel like I must be speaking a different language because I think what I'm saying makes sense and everyone is always like whaaaaaaaa?? Whenever I post.

Again not gonna call the first half scum for the "voting with no explanation". Not how I read. Diametrically opposed to how I read. Not scum. The scum is saying you're gonna vote for the person who at the time looks like the easiest lynch and then not ever doing it. The way it's phrased too "out of the options currently being voted for" shows that some element of self preservation is already present (I think Epi and BWT are the only options also BTW)

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:08 pm Oh.

Well, if he signed up for this before I replaced in for him in Arrow (no idea if that's the case) and he's still having that trouble, and there's no replacement, then that slot is just going to beguile us. It's not an informative lynch but I wouldn't mind it.

I think some people are going to read this as scum because they disagree with this in theory. But unless someone can definitively show me that Colin doesn't always play like this I'm gonna call this town.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.
If only one of Jack and spirtyo is maf which is it
Make a case
Convince me
What I've found is that when Jack is a civ he goes after people asks questions gets discussion going gets really into it and posts a lot. As a baddie he wasn't like that he was a lot more chill. This game I haven't seen the usual civ Jack so far.

I guess the same could be said of bwt who you have voted for. As he also has not been as active as he was in the previous game where he was civ and has not provided much depth to suspicions and reads thus far this game.

This was the sabie post that convinced me because "I guess the same could be said of bwt who you have voted for" is the most scummy sentence I have read in my life. The other sabie posts don't set off any red flags but they're also not amazing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:10 pm Irrelevant Information Retrieved:

Civilian sabie- Lynched Day 2
Civilian sabie - Lynched Day 1
Mafia sabie - Killed Night 1
Civilian sabie - Killed Night 1
Civilian sabie - Killed Night 2
Civilian sabie - Lynched Day 2

Conclusion: Dayum.

This is the post that saved Sabie. Epi's meta case against Sabie is a solid third of what changed my vote so I'm not going to call this w/w and also this doesn't seem like any sort of a save but I think it's important to acknowledge that Sabie isn't dead right now because some of you guys either felt some pity for this (and we've all had games and perhaps several in a row go in this manner and it really really sucks so I'm not saying the empathy isn't deserved) or you were actively trying to save her

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:25 pm Glorfindel asked me for my thoughts. I didn't share them. I will share them now. Asking myself how everyone has looked in the early early stages of this game.

birdwithteeth - Mixed feelings so far. He's had a few casual posts and a few reads that look hasty and underwhelming (Glorfindel & lack of Sabie, but he has at least played with a notable direction in his game. I know what his thoughts are even if I can't say whether or not I believe them yet.

Creature - Looks good. Seems like he's trying to orient and assert himself in (relatively) new surroundings. He was my first town read and that status hasn't changed.

Epignosis - Epi's being shticky so far, but he's poking people with his shtick and wielding it as a weapon rather than a crutch. Tentatively looking good.

Glorfindel - He is being upfront that he's following a particular model of play for Day 1 here. That would be a bold approach for scum Glorf, especially in his first game back in some time. Nothing about the responses I've read from him sets off any red flags. Feeling moderately good.

Jack - Has done nothing. Jack being a goober, especially early on, hasn't ever been a reliable scum tell. But I wouldn't lean on it heavily as a town tell either. I'll default to a slight scum lean because Days are only 24 hours here and we need to pick up the pace.

Long Con - The king of the Short Post this game is Long Con. His early ISO is filled with one-liners. I don't know what that means. Perhaps he's just playing this game off the cuff, firing off thoughts as they come up to him. I feel mildly good about him his indifference toward my vote for him last night.

The Macster - Mac's posts from his Sabie vote on have looked good. Mac's got a fire under him and he's pursuing his convictions. In a thread that's been pretty listless, I am inclined to feel good about a player who tries to change that.

Sabie - I like the direction of mac's case on her. Sabie's one long post was a salad with a few too many shrugs. I feel like sabie gets suspected for this too much, but that concern doesn't absolve her of anything here. She produces a lot of words in this post without producing that many reads.

sprityo - This is the key post in sprit's ISO so far I think. He set himself up as a virtual town-clear on Day 2 in Arrowverse but that just farted around the rest of the game. He's vowed not to do that here, and is evidently making an effort in this post to be transparent about his reads. I like that, but the content he has provided so far is not nearly strong enough to earn a much-coveted Town Read From Sloonei. I wouldn't campaign for sprit's lynch, but I wouldn't exactly defend him right now either.

TonyStarkPrime - He was my second town read after Creature. I think I've maybe played once or twice with Iron Man? If not, I've at least seen him in games before. But much like Creature, he seemed like a player who was trying to orient himself in a relatively new setting early on. He offered us some reads and even a vote without being prompted to do so when the game was still getting off its feet and has only increased his pace as we've gone on. In a game as stagnant as this one so far, any genuine effort is a good look on Day 1.

Players I did not look at because they do not seem to have posted at all:
ColinIsCool
Dragomir
Oreki

I seem to recall Dragomir had to drop out of two games simultaneously recently because of internet troubles? That could be problematic here. Colin's usually around though. I've never met Oreki. Any of these three players could have drawn any role card.

[VOTE: birdwithteeth] aubergine

This is where I'm starting. This is a good reads list and at this point I was already reading sloonei as town.
Also it's the correct read on LC at this point and directly fits in with Sloonei's play earlier which suggests a game plan and some hunting which is the kinda thing I'd expect from a player of this caliber
There's not much to say about any of the reads but I'll watch how the reads on sprityo, bwt, and creature evolve.

Also notable: where Sloonei votes BWT. Very early on but I was already on the vote and I think somebody else might have followed me?

Okay time to analyze EOD. This looks like it's going to be a nightmare.

Early thoughts before reread: I'm not sure what sloonei is doing but I'm still leaning town there. Sloonei put the 2nd/3rd? vote down on BWT which means that it could have been a jump to save a mafia teammate but it had been placed earlier than almost any of the other EOD votes (Mac on sabie being the first placed) which means that it was a stable choice and not, as it has been portrayed, an odd last second decision.

Sabie is scum or I can't read Sabie but given no meta knowledge seems scummy to me.
Weird that she didn't self pres vote but considering none of them did I'm gonna chalk it up to errors around the board.

Creature is either w/w with sabie or is being a knowingly stubborn town member. I'll take whatever participation I'm given though and I'm not going to lynch a top poster with no evidence on principle in the early game.

Not sure where JOH is. Buddy?

Epi and Mac are town.

Everything else I'll catch on review.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:31 pm So what town clear is garbage?

Those ones. Apparently it doesn’t exist though. I was referring more to the possibility of Spirtyo being maf but just because I hesitantly townread Jack doesn’t mean I’m as confident as you seemed to be.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:27 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:25 pm Ahem. Sorry if it sounded like I was yelling.
It was clearly not going to be a unanimous vote on Sabie and it was end of day anyways so we already had vote patterns if it was the correct option then we should have been on that instead of one of three less than half baked cases against other people. I’m not sure if probability wise that was most likely to yield the best result (I am not going near Mac’s town clear of the other two that seems like garbage) but that was the only lynch with discussion today.
I am not town clearing anyone despite what I said but it's a rare universe where wolfjack doesn't have something to say when he is tied for the lead in the bottom of the ninth.

Sprityo can be Mafia here that's very viable.

Agreed on Jack that’s why I hesitantly think he’s town.

Ahem. Sorry if it sounded like I was yelling.
It was clearly not going to be a unanimous vote on Sabie and it was end of day anyways so we already had vote patterns if it was the correct option then we should have been on that instead of one of three less than half baked cases against other people. I’m not sure if probability wise that was most likely to yield the best result (I am not going near Mac’s town clear of the other two that seems like garbage) but that was the only lynch with discussion today.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:16 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:13 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:13 pm Oh it's a scumteam of two
AKA we may have been just on a mole rat fight anyway.
Sabie is probably Mafia and her teammate just dissented enough for lemmings to walk in alternate directions.

The shit thing is it could be any of up to 4 people, yourself included.

That day needed to end in Sabie lynch just so we could solve how people were responsing to her case.

But no, not creative.
If everybody just planted on sabie then there wouldn't have good analysis material though.

This is true but more importantly:
THERE WERE TWO OF US THIS WASNT AT RISK OF HAPPENING

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:12 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:10 pm Sloonei's switch to birdwithteeth looks bad now
Analysis: Bullshit

Seems like good analysis

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:04 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:59 pm Also: I’m not currently in a position to figure out what has happened but you better bet I’m gonna sit down with a lot of paper tonight and map this out.
1. Sabie was the only case of substace
2. Epi pointed out she dies early a lot
3. A bunch of people pointed at others and said "maybe it's you!"
4. Two of those people didn't manage to self pres vote because they're civilians
5. Creature frogstomped into the thread complaining that it wasn't creative to lynch Sabie
6. Three mini wagons exist to save Sabie
7. Doesn't necessarily mean Sabie is Mafia but I'd be surprised if she wasn't after this
How many teammates does sabie have?

1. One
2. Two
3. Three
4. What was the question again?

This is what’s throwing me off.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:54 pm Jack not voting here means Jack is never Mafia. Never.

Disagree. Any person with 2 votes could have saved themself. No reason to make this claim without exonerating the others.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:59 pm What's usually the policy for vote ties?

First one to x votes or random or no lynch

Also: I’m not currently in a position to figure out what has happened but you better bet I’m gonna sit down with a lot of paper tonight and map this out.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:53 pm Day 1 ended with three people tied for the lead, each with 2 whole votes. This is a landmark event.

3? I count 4.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.
If only one of Jack and spirtyo is maf which is it
Make a case
Convince me
What I've found is that when Jack is a civ he goes after people asks questions gets discussion going gets really into it and posts a lot. As a baddie he wasn't like that he was a lot more chill. This game I haven't seen the usual civ Jack so far.

I guess the same could be said of bwt who you have voted for. As he also has not been as active as he was in the previous game where he was civ and has not provided much depth to suspicions and reads thus far this game.

Not convinced yet.
[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

I have no problem with bwt he seems unoffensive I’d rather lynch our only remaining no show than him but I think this probably is the way to go.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

If only one of Jack and spirtyo is maf which is it
Make a case
Convince me

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:39 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:36 am
If sabie flips town they’re still fine but it’ll call Epi into question more for doing the work and jumping on the lunch.

Creature
1
8%

Voters: Epignosis

Hey you think I check my wprk

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:20 am Epignosis Pip-Boy 2000:

[Holodisk retrieved]

Civilian sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm I think either one of them could be bad
We're both town
See that's a weird thing to say unless you're townie teammates or something how would you know you're both town? Unless you're both bad and kyle is distancing from you.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:24 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:18 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:15 pm I hope sabie12 doesn't genuinely think I claimed info that Kyle is town.
I don't think she is. But her facepalm-inducing reaction came off as someone trying to make a whole lot out of nothing. Same with Sokoth tbh.
No I just thought it was a weird way of saying things. Saying we're both town. Idk maybe that's what people say to say I have a town read on someone while also defending yourself and I've just never seen that before.

I'm willing to vote creature or indiglo.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm I'm willing to vote creature because I find him to be sketchy with his playstyle and fluffy opening posts. The weird wording of things and claiming to know kyle. Just thought the whole interaction was weird. I explained why I thought it was weird but apparently that wasnt good enough.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:52 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.
sabie, you say you think either of them could be bad because they are both acting strange but then go on to say you're not familiar with either of them or their play style. I just don't understand that at all. Strange as compared to what? Also, I would think you would know by now but maybe you've missed it, Mac is from the other side of the world and is asleep during the day when we are all posting. He's always quiet during the day, it's not uncharacteristic.

linki

I wasn't accusing mac just saying he usually posts more in general that's all. I know hes in a different time zone.

I just meant I thought the interaction and wording of things was weird but I dont know if they're always like that. Like it seems weird to me but maybe that's just how they usually talk. Like how they don't know how I usually play and that I have a hard time coming up with a lot of reads initially.
Every time I try to I am judged very harshly saying I dont have good enough reasons or explanations when its day 1 and theres not a lot to go on.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:04 pm Those of you that know me know how disheartening this is for me for this to happen to me again. I try so hard to participate and throw out ideas and get better and people just shut me down.
[Holodisk retrieved]

Mafia sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:34 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.
Hey sabie. Let's start with the players you know best: what do you think of Epi, nutella, juliets, and me so far?
Well you are doing what you normally do in making long posts getting people talking asking questions etc which has a lot of times been town sloon. I feel like you and nutella have had a back and forth thing in some games before. She's usually kinda back and forth on things so I find her hard to read. Juliets is always so nice so shes hard to read too. Epi appears to be his usual self at the moment.
You left out some other people I usually play with. jack who I feel like is doing his usual town jack stuff at the moment where he posts a lot of random stuff. That time he was bad he was way more calm and reserved it seemed.
I always tend to think mac and speed are bad which is probably unfair of me.
The newer people I think are just kinda trying to work out how we play on this site.
Still dont feel like I have solid reads for sure about people but I'm trying to keep up with everything. This day 0 has been crazy.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:57 am Hey I was busy dying a horrible death in better off Ted mafia so now that that's over I'm back over here.
From the people who currently have votes wilgy is iffy because I remember leading an accidental mislynch on him on another game for acting how he is now. Drogomir idk them I'll have to read a bit more from them. Sloonei seems like normal town sloonei as of right now
Nutella is always kinda back and forth and I've seen her and sloonei go back and forth before like that but I dont think they were teammates.
Lux I can see where the suspicion came from there. The wording of their posts and that comment about the mafia teams was a little suspect.
Juliets I would have to read again as I don't recall what she's even said so far.
And now as I was typing sloonei changed the vote to ultra. Is that due to all that mechanics talk ik the beginning trying to get the cop role to out themselves?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:23 pm Out of the people currently with votes I think my suspicions are more towards lux.
Nutella is iffy and difficult to read because she is often pretty wishy washy as people said but I think right now I feel worse about lux.
I dont think cooler has really said much of anything and ultra idk I just figured they're new and trying to figure out how we do things.
I will take a look at some of the other people mentioned as well and reread lux iso.

Also I think I saw juliets you have been having a hard time I do hope you're okay!
I've had some stuff come up irl as well that has held me back from participating as much as I'd like to. My uncle unfortunately passed last week so I've had some family stuff going on.
Analysis: Mafia sabie is wordier in contrast to civilian sabie. Civilian sabie expresses firmer Day 1 opinions than Mafia sabie. Mafia sabie indulges in hedging language more frequently than civilian sabie.

Sample size: Small

Conclusion: 67% Fallout sabie is mafia sabie.

[End of Report]

This seems conclusive and I’ll support that lynch.

This’ll be my last post (maybe depending on how busy work is) of the phase so a few notes.

Spirtyo and JOH are both suspicious for the same reasons but I’m reading scum on the former and town on the latter.

I’ve got a nasty feeling about LC and I don’t know why Mac is including him as likely Town because that is not the vibe I’m getting at all.

Mac, Epi, sloonei strongest town reads
If sabie flips town they’re still fine but it’ll call Epi into question more for doing the work and jumping on the lunch.

Glorf is throwing me off but GTH town just on probability

I had one more but I forgot it

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:40 am
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:34 am Geez, I thought Glorf was making a joke about the JJJ Guide.

Epi, do the colours indicate something? Does it mean you choose the green response option?
I just took it as him playing along with a game mechanic from Fallout for funsies. But I could be wrong.
No, it's a link in JJJ's sig.

I think he was talking about the colors.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

This is sort of off topic but

on defending yourself (in response to the first paragraph):

some people do it always when they’re town and less when they’re mafia cause they get upset if they get mislynched
some people do it never when they’re town and sometimes when they’re mafia cause then they can point to specific townie behaviors they threw in and they feel like they have more of a stake as mafia
I’m (almost) never going to make a read on the degree to which a player defends themself from any cases made against them without meta knowledge

This doesn’t necessarily pertain to this game just wanted to make a strategy judgment

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:55 am Also I'm adding Creature into my civ reads for now too. Even with nothing to really go on, he's at least attempting to push discussion on Day 1 and get the ball rolling in some direction.

Finished reading yet? Thoughts on Sabie/Mac

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:30 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:25 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.
Intriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...
can you link me this mafia guide
Is it a real thing
Bottom left of post #66 - knock yourself out

Found it but more importantly

You play without an avatar but with signatures on?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

Nothing to go on?!? I said like half a dozen things.
Analysis in less words than Mac: a lot of hedging. Too many words for no real scum accusation.
A general tell especially early is that mafia makes town reads and that town makes scum reads within this kinda context and this seems clear of that but clear in the sense that every analysis was “this seems suspicious I wonder what I think about that will you please tell me what I should think about it”

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.
Intriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...

can you link me this mafia guide
Is it a real thing

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:37 am [VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

Let's get some obvscum out of the way.

Would also happily lynch sprityo.

LC, Epi, Creature, TSP and Sloonei town til proven otherwise.

I am ignoring cases, voting or trolling against me in this game. Deal with that as you please. Like I am not going to spend a second defending myself. I am only solving.

What are your thoughts on jack?

[VOTE: The Bird Guy] aubergine

Haven’t seen him fly in in a while

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:05 pm

I don't know your slang.
“Not a good look”, I assume.
Nice... I was going with "not alignment something something". You were being pretty sphinxy,
Indeed I was. What does that mean to you?

Let the record show that my vote somehow landed on you.
Not much yet, but to learn is to grow.
Only scum speaks in platitudes
Isn't that, like, a platitude?

I was hoping for

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:23 pm Sloonei playing the sphinx is also nagl.
I don't know your slang.
“Not a good look”, I assume.
Nice... I was going with "not alignment something something". You were being pretty sphinxy,
Indeed I was. What does that mean to you?

Let the record show that my vote somehow landed on you.
Not much yet, but to learn is to grow.

Only scum speaks in platitudes

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...

Epi, you’re it! Go!
Huh? I don't understand your post.

Gay abandon?

It means without much care

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...

Epi, you’re it! Go!

For the alternative

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Start talking mister

... Bueller?

Somebody should tell me why people keep saying aubergine because I forgot why.

I have a town read on Epi anyone disagree

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:23 pm I have at least two (2) town reads on this page.
Who, and why?
It's more fun if you guess.
Mac and Creature.

I get the reasoning behind creature but what for Mac?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:23 pm I have at least two (2) town reads on this page.
Then you’re a better player than me. I only have 1.

I have three y’all lose

I am unsure how the economy of fallout works or how the economy of this mafia game works but my general guess is it’s important and we might as well figure it out while we’re doing nothing else.[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] in case you missed LC's query -- to what extent can we theorize on what items do? Because I feel like if I made a general list of how good/bad I thought each item would be I'd be I think technically within the limits of the rules but it could end up very quickly at a point where everyone is making hints about extra info and that's against the spirit of the rules. Would it better to keep all that discussion to PMs?

Also I don’t like gambling it scares me.

Just kidding I love all of you

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