The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:14 pm A more in-depth interactive sabie ISO

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

I've already talked about this post a handful of times, but it's important. LC and I are her only positive reads. Jack, sprit, and glorfindel have varying degrees of negativity around them, and Mac has the tiniest bit of shade. Everyone else just gets neutral mentions.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:30 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:06 pm Sabie, I see you. Give us your brain thoughts!

My thoughts are really not positive at the moment. Realizing how much I get killed off so quickly really makes me frustrated and upset and this game isnt supposed to make you feel that way. I am terrible at reading people day 1 and whenever I try people think I'm bad even though I'm not which has been just insanely frustrating for me.

Colin asks her for reads and she doesn't really supply them. Noted.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads. I'm not suspecting either of them at this time. I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.

Reiterates the Jack and sprit suspicions. One or neither of them are bad. Idk. Jack is pushing for sprit right now, but that's exactly what he'd be doing if he was bad.

This is where she walks back the Glorfindel suspicion. Mr Stark is also given sabie's stamp of approval here. She besmirches Mac a little without really implicating him. Mac and Tony shared my top tier of town reads before we knew sabie was bad, and her flip only strengthened each of those reads.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:06 pm
If only one of Jack and spirtyo is maf which is it
Make a case
Convince me

What I've found is that when Jack is a civ he goes after people asks questions gets discussion going gets really into it and posts a lot. As a baddie he wasn't like that he was a lot more chill. This game I haven't seen the usual civ Jack so far.


I guess the same could be said of bwt who you have voted for. As he also has not been as active as he was in the previous game where he was civ and has not provided much depth to suspicions and reads thus far this game.

When pressed to choose one or the other between her two suspects, she chooses Jack and then also pivots onto bwt out of nowhere. That part looks particularly opportunistic. I don't know if she's looking for an alternative to her teammate, Jack, or if she's just looking to broaden her horizons now that birdwithteeth is on the menu. Her vote ended up on Jack this day, which goes against the "jack is her teammate" argument.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:10 pm Well out of the options currently being voted for Im more inclined to go with bwt as they have been voting with no explanation and haven't put forth as much effort as they normally do.
Epi could be bad with his hiding behind the video game speak but I always find him so hard to read.

I've said in multiple games that Jack has a different way of posting when good and bad. Other people also have utilized this knowledge of how people act in games to gauge what alignment people might be. Why does that make me bad? I sometimes feel like I must be speaking a different language because I think what I'm saying makes sense and everyone is always like whaaaaaaaa?? Whenever I post.

Yeah this doesn't look like a bus job. She wants Jack to get got. The vote.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:49 pm I'm sorry BWT RIP! I agree this lynch was difficult because I felt I had some town reads but I was unsure about some of the less active players. I felt like it was out of character of Jack and spirityo to not be as involved as they usually are hopefully they'll come in and participate more. I'm still iffy on them. I think the shorter than usual day phase may have also caught some people off guard.
And to answer epis question mac has definitely been wrong about me before.

She kind of abandoned sprit for a while, but now that the lynch has passed he's back on the menu. Maybe I do want to lynch him.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:25 am I am trying to keep up. I really didnt want to go into my personal real life problems on here because who wants to hear me complain about my life and ruin this game no one. Basic is the boyfriend is very sick and I now work over 10 hour days at a high stress job.

I am trying to keep up. I don't even understand the suspicion on me or where it comes from. I keep trying to make an effort. It's like lately people just decide they want to suspect me and go for it.

Spirityo continues to not provide much of anything on the way of reads. Even after hes been under some suspicion haven't seen him be his usual aggressive self. I was also saying that about Jack but he did at least come back into it. Oreki and dragomir I assume are probably not planning on coming back at this point.

Creature is a hard one to read he came in on end of day and was all over the place with the votes and posting. I'll have to look more at that.

I will be at work for like forever but I'll try to check in. I didn't want to bail on the game. I'm glad for the extra time today. Putting my vote on no vote currently but will check in periodically.

Day 2 and sprit has seeminly leapfrogged Jack as her top suspect. Jack started getting more involved, which took away sabie's argument against him. She throws oreki and dragomir into the paragraph about sprit, and then follows it up with her first mention of Creature. Preliminary good look for Creature; this looks opportunistic.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:59 pm Today was fun worked forever went to urgent care went to pharmacy finally home.
I get the creature suspicion. When looking at his ISO it's all just like maybe one sentence of random thoughts and changing suspicions. He was saying this game is too boring and people are uncreative with their votes and suspicions without really doing much delving into anything either. His end of day posting was just all over the place amd changing votes without trying to solve anything. He could have broken the tie but also did not.

Spirityo eh I'm still iffy on him. He maybe had some motive to kill epi as epi was kind of calling him out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:26 pm The number of people here that wouldn’t lynch Glor if he said “I am town” but who are voting Creature is interesting.

That number appears to be two.

Lol and one is Glor. Awesome.

Unsure what that's all about exactly.
Still think Jack is acting weird but at least he kinda came back in.

I really have to do real life stuff I'm really trying to be here as much as I can.

She quietly jumps on board with the Creature wagon. Opportunism 101. Her line on sprit the whole time has been "he's iffy" and that read hasn't really progressed. I could see them as teammates, but that does not need to be the case.
Part of me wants to read that bottom portion as a soft, indirect defense of Glorfindel.

And that's where we're at. Creature and Mac look pretty good here, as does Jack. sprit is iffy. There are juicy bits involving Glorfindel, but I'm not completely sure which way to lean on those. I'd favor town for now, but those are open to interpretation.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:20 am Epignosis Pip-Boy 2000:

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Civilian sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:06 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:01 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm I think either one of them could be bad

We're both town

See that's a weird thing to say unless you're townie teammates or something how would you know you're both town? Unless you're both bad and kyle is distancing from you.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:24 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:18 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:15 pm I hope sabie12 doesn't genuinely think I claimed info that Kyle is town.

I don't think she is. But her facepalm-inducing reaction came off as someone trying to make a whole lot out of nothing. Same with Sokoth tbh.

No I just thought it was a weird way of saying things. Saying we're both town. Idk maybe that's what people say to say I have a town read on someone while also defending yourself and I've just never seen that before.

I'm willing to vote creature or indiglo.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm I'm willing to vote creature because I find him to be sketchy with his playstyle and fluffy opening posts. The weird wording of things and claiming to know kyle. Just thought the whole interaction was weird. I explained why I thought it was weird but apparently that wasnt good enough.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:52 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.

sabie, you say you think either of them could be bad because they are both acting strange but then go on to say you're not familiar with either of them or their play style. I just don't understand that at all. Strange as compared to what? Also, I would think you would know by now but maybe you've missed it, Mac is from the other side of the world and is asleep during the day when we are all posting. He's always quiet during the day, it's not uncharacteristic.

linki

I wasn't accusing mac just saying he usually posts more in general that's all. I know hes in a different time zone.

I just meant I thought the interaction and wording of things was weird but I dont know if they're always like that. Like it seems weird to me but maybe that's just how they usually talk. Like how they don't know how I usually play and that I have a hard time coming up with a lot of reads initially.
Every time I try to I am judged very harshly saying I dont have good enough reasons or explanations when its day 1 and theres not a lot to go on.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:04 pm Those of you that know me know how disheartening this is for me for this to happen to me again. I try so hard to participate and throw out ideas and get better and people just shut me down.

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Mafia sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:34 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

Hey sabie. Let's start with the players you know best: what do you think of Epi, nutella, juliets, and me so far?

Well you are doing what you normally do in making long posts getting people talking asking questions etc which has a lot of times been town sloon. I feel like you and nutella have had a back and forth thing in some games before. She's usually kinda back and forth on things so I find her hard to read. Juliets is always so nice so shes hard to read too. Epi appears to be his usual self at the moment.
You left out some other people I usually play with. jack who I feel like is doing his usual town jack stuff at the moment where he posts a lot of random stuff. That time he was bad he was way more calm and reserved it seemed.
I always tend to think mac and speed are bad which is probably unfair of me.
The newer people I think are just kinda trying to work out how we play on this site.
Still dont feel like I have solid reads for sure about people but I'm trying to keep up with everything. This day 0 has been crazy.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:57 am Hey I was busy dying a horrible death in better off Ted mafia so now that that's over I'm back over here.
From the people who currently have votes wilgy is iffy because I remember leading an accidental mislynch on him on another game for acting how he is now. Drogomir idk them I'll have to read a bit more from them. Sloonei seems like normal town sloonei as of right now
Nutella is always kinda back and forth and I've seen her and sloonei go back and forth before like that but I dont think they were teammates.
Lux I can see where the suspicion came from there. The wording of their posts and that comment about the mafia teams was a little suspect.
Juliets I would have to read again as I don't recall what she's even said so far.
And now as I was typing sloonei changed the vote to ultra. Is that due to all that mechanics talk ik the beginning trying to get the cop role to out themselves?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:23 pm Out of the people currently with votes I think my suspicions are more towards lux.
Nutella is iffy and difficult to read because she is often pretty wishy washy as people said but I think right now I feel worse about lux.
I dont think cooler has really said much of anything and ultra idk I just figured they're new and trying to figure out how we do things.
I will take a look at some of the other people mentioned as well and reread lux iso.

Also I think I saw juliets you have been having a hard time I do hope you're okay!
I've had some stuff come up irl as well that has held me back from participating as much as I'd like to. My uncle unfortunately passed last week so I've had some family stuff going on.

Analysis: Mafia sabie is wordier in contrast to civilian sabie. Civilian sabie expresses firmer Day 1 opinions than Mafia sabie. Mafia sabie indulges in hedging language more frequently than civilian sabie.

Sample size: Small

Conclusion: 67% Fallout sabie is mafia sabie.

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@Epignosis In the second example you quoted above, Sabie made reference to JackofHearts. Can you please confirm his alignment in that game for me?