The Syndicate

Yeah, it was a fun game, it did what it set out to do, there's some fairness to "town lost cause town made mistakes" and also some fairness to "the setup didn't allow room for as many mistakes as it should have". It's kinda up to views on how many mistakes town can be allowed to make or moreover if a game goes mostly even who is allowed the victory (if town and mafia play at the same rate).

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:43 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:35 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:08 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:03 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.
Yeah. I assumed we were playing an ugly game of chicken where we lose if we vote Juliets, you lose if you vote Michelle and everyone loses if nobody moves.
To be honest, at first I was considering voting Michelle just giving you the win, mainly because I'd subbed in more or less when the game was already solved (and Quin 1.0 was townie, I guess). But I figured that wasn't fair to DDL and the role he designed, so I went with the juliets lynch to try pull it off.
I thank you for playing your role to the best of your ability, even though you had an unlucky situation to face (most sparks survived longer than they should have).
Seeing TSP dead last night instead of Dom or Jack was the biggest surprise I've gotten from a NK. That needed to get shut down days ago.

Flip side:
If Jack or Dom dies you can side with town and easily win. It's simple logic from scum to kill me that day even if you're scared of other roles.

Town essentially needed 9 lynches cause of take five (again only the second most powerful thing in the game cause Tarvek is actually broken). The Timmer lynch was on town and everyone who was left sealed their fate with that. But town messes up a day 1 lynch and oh well what are they gonna do about it. And I can’t defend the creature lynch per se but I don’t necessarily think it can be called a mistake. That said I think this game was generally as well balanced as it could have been given the constraint set (4 indies) in that it was equally swingy. And it was really fun to play. I think the best way to balance for full game would be to remove Zola and mess around a bit with the mafia power set and tarvek but I’m not sure and obviously the way that the game went gives me some bias there.

Good game to the scum team, as much as we complained about skating you guys really were pretty active parts of the thread and Town was just being lazy.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:19 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:17 pm I thought the mafia team had specifically chosen to kill me with the bomb, but nope, just a flat rng.... : PerC Dry emoji :
That sucks, but it could have been worse. Could have lynched Quin again.

Then town would have won
Somehow

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.

Oh or this plan works too but lynching Quin would be fun

Redo

Lynch Quin day 10
Night kill Jack
Lynch Juliets day 11
Night kill Dom

Nope wait

Quin and mafia guaranteed win:
Lynch Quin day 10
Night 10 kill Jack
Lynch Dom day 11

[mention]timmer[/mention] we were stupid for lynching you you didn’t really do anything wrong and if you want to keep playing as you did you’ll still be valuable on any team. I’ve found a good way to get out of that kinda suspicion though if you can’t invest that much into the thread is take one point you believe strongly (Dom = scum) and drive it into the ground, that way people will at least remember you having an impact in some way

never send to know for whom the bell tolls, I suppose. good luck to all, even the haters and losers

They might casually forget to vote shh let’s be really quiet and maybe they won’t notice. Anyways reconvene tomorrow at 2:30 to assess EOD and hopefully get this over with?

Let’s just hope the scum team never shows

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:25 am i think baddies are freaking out and jack is busy af

Nuance:
I don’t understand why they’re freaking out assuming it’s those three it’s a very mechanical game left they can open wolf and maybe win? Which is why I’d maybe suspect you. In any case I will refrain from trying to solve the game for scum so I’m gonna shut up until EOD.

lying low at lylo
or perhaps we’re very much past lylo but we don’t know it

or perhaps I’m being super tricked and everyone is in on it

Bum de bum bah

Scum is playing it quiet which is why I expect three random votes to be placed on Jack out of nowhere any hour now

Obviously also this is all open speculation about the secret win con of a currently alive character who can not confirm or deny any of this information

Town only wins with Quin given the madness mechanic ceases to exist and that scum manage to hit an actual target eventually

Town only wins with Quin and Quin doesn’t always win with town. Quin, on the other hand, always wins with scum if the baron is dead

I just googled Quin’s Character and that win condition seems VERY likely

ALSO

—open speculation about Quin’s Win Con purely from game design considering I have no idea what the character is—

If Quin needs all sparks dead to win which is completely plausible we’re super super best off saving the baron

Basically we want to lynch the person with lots of hands who can copy dead powers I think

So if Michelle is the baron it might be advantageous not to lynch her today — she’d almost for sure be using her madness to zero power today so scum would have the best chances of open wolfing meaning that power would be offline in the future and we’d probably be set up better for a late game lynch using the madness mechanic

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:25 pmLynch Dyslexicon.

I think there’s nuance here but ultimately most of that comes down to ever so slight chances of you being scum and this thus seems like a fine option

I think because of the lynch switch there are slightly higher odds that Michelle is the baron simply because there’s a chance that that is like an automatic power or something -> it seems to not have been particularly directed because of Owner’s lynch, not sure what to make of any of that though

I have some guesses as to what happened but I can’t be sure obviously.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:27 pm WTF happened yesterday though?

scummy scummy scum scum

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:55 pm If everyone is okay with it, I can make this day phase 24 hours instead of 48, in order to speed the game up.

seems fine

Hello I don’t like this can we lynch someone else instead

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:01 am Good morning, I agree with a vote on Michelle and will do so now.

This doesn’t make sense

Okay if we’re right than at this point the game comes down to Quin getting (un)lucky and fulfilling wincons at a town friendly rate and us getting lucky and killing the right scum members.
If we’re wrong than Dom will destroy us all

Okay I think the course of action today is to lynch Michelle

Okay who’s left

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]
[mention]Michelle[/mention]
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]Dom[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]
[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention]
[mention]juliets[/mention]

Wolves please now open wolf so we can figure this out.

Well this seems like a great opportunity to not have lost the game.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:32 am Tony, I know you said earlier that you're not sure if you can trust me. You can.
Don't try and make this more complicated than it needs to be. You don't need to make this a car with too many wheels. If you add all those axles, the vehicle can't turn.

I trust you to any extent Jack trusts you.

I think voting for sprityo is a fine way to spend the day.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:10 am tony-- u gotta get on this ride if you want to win.

sorry I’m busy playing fire emblem — characters in SSB ultimate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:00 pm Tony is so firmly in his town meta it’s not even funny.

I came into this game and I was like “I’m gonna subvert my town meta so people can’t tell when I’m scum” and the only thing that’s gone is the post count trick

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 pmI'm at a loss. :/
I'm about 90% sure Dom is scum here.

I’m willing to let Dom have tricked me it would be an honorable way to go out.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:17 pmI think she’s town. Hard probability says I’m wrong about her or I’m wrong about Dom.
Why do you believe Michelle's derp and not Juliets' derp? I believe both Juliets' and Timmer's, and now Michelle comes with a derp and I actually feel it's probably legit as well even though I don't want it to be.

Michelle’s is about scum power set which I think would be much more pertinent knowledge. Michelle also has a townread from Epi which I’m not quite discounting either.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:16 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:11 pm Mafia, SK and Quin on Juliets or something? Lol game
i was waiting for first scum is Tony Dom Jack take
So you've basically just won already?

I wish we were scum I’d take the easy win here and round out a 1-9 record on the syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:56 pmI think Jack is town. I think Michelle either legitimately derped town or hasn’t been paying attention. ONE OTHER PERSON IS TOWN. I wasn’t really thinking “oh this would make Juliet’s scum” I was more thinking well POE)
This says Jack is town, Michelle is either town or not town and then one other person is town. So what's your actual read on Michelle here? Hmmmm?

I think she’s town. Hard probability says I’m wrong about her or I’m wrong about Dom.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:11 pm Mafia, SK and Quin on Juliets or something? Lol game

i was waiting for first scum is Tony Dom Jack take

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:27 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:41 pm Juliets is super calm for someone with 5 votes after basicalky not being voted all game and the town might not mathematically even have a way to win.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do Jack. It's a mistake to lynch me, I am civ, but I don't feel like anyone is giving me anything to defend. Dom mentioned my votes but I walked through those and his response was it didn't look like I wanted to get blood on my hands. I bet I could say that about most people in this game if I listed their votes.

I just can't see how people could think that I'm bad after I started the lynch train on sable day 5, and before that there was this:

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:32 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:31 pm Dang, RIP Mac and Epi, two good roles in one night.

Also isn't Luna dead?
Hmm where did you see that?
Which part? They are both above ^.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm Well dang, I just looked again - we lynched nutella not Luna.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm This whole time I thought we lynched Luna, lol.
This was at the very beginning of Day 3. Do you think I went through Night 2 with teammates and they didn't straighten me out on the lynch? Or do you think all of that was fake? Have you ever seen me fake something like that before in a game?

So Jack I don't know how you think I should be behaving. Part of me thinks people will come to their senses if they read my ISO. Part of me though thinks one or two people have jumped on my bandwagon to avoid a scum lynch. The SK is probably on me too. I just hope reason and civs prevail.
“See look at this mistake I made I must be Town”
Also considering that neither Luna nor Nutella were scum I’d consider it highly probable that that would not get straightened out
So I'm part of a team that strategized night moves without regard to who was still in the game?

yes that would be the implication

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:30 pm Also @TonyStarkPrime I think your snide remark about "look at my mistake" is unfair. Of course I'm going to bring up things that show I'm civ.

Sorry didn’t intend to sound snide about it. I just think it’s a relatively minor point and I think it’s completely plausible that either it slipped by (especially if you have a less active mafia which seems to be case. I don’t think it makes you town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:06 pm Okay

Agatha - stuff
Tarvek - stuff
Zeetha - BG
Axel - one shots
Scum x 3 - looks best to use 2 RBs and a Kill but maybe more
Serial Killer - stuff? and kill
Othar - stuff

I hate that there’s so much “stuff” here.
Yeah it’s pretty crazy how the secret roles are mostly still in the game.

If Zeetha is not in Jack/Dom/Tony, they might be able to take a hit for a towncore member and avoid being mislynched later.

Kinda shit but that’s what a bg is for.

Yeah the power seems weak given the powerset left but if Dys or Michelle or someone else is the BG takes a kill intended for another townie town’s chances go up exponentially.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:41 pm Juliets is super calm for someone with 5 votes after basicalky not being voted all game and the town might not mathematically even have a way to win.

I'm not sure what you expect me to do Jack. It's a mistake to lynch me, I am civ, but I don't feel like anyone is giving me anything to defend. Dom mentioned my votes but I walked through those and his response was it didn't look like I wanted to get blood on my hands. I bet I could say that about most people in this game if I listed their votes.

I just can't see how people could think that I'm bad after I started the lynch train on sable day 5, and before that there was this:

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:32 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:31 pm Dang, RIP Mac and Epi, two good roles in one night.

Also isn't Luna dead?
Hmm where did you see that?
Which part? They are both above ^.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm Well dang, I just looked again - we lynched nutella not Luna.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:35 pm This whole time I thought we lynched Luna, lol.
This was at the very beginning of Day 3. Do you think I went through Night 2 with teammates and they didn't straighten me out on the lynch? Or do you think all of that was fake? Have you ever seen me fake something like that before in a game?

So Jack I don't know how you think I should be behaving. Part of me thinks people will come to their senses if they read my ISO. Part of me though thinks one or two people have jumped on my bandwagon to avoid a scum lynch. The SK is probably on me too. I just hope reason and civs prevail.

“See look at this mistake I made I must be Town”
Also considering that neither Luna nor Nutella were scum I’d consider it highly probable that that would not get straightened out

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:36 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:08 am how jack is speaking sounds like he knows juliets is town which really bothers me.
If I was scum, fuck mislynching. I’d want the serial killer.

If you’re town, I don’t see how Juliets can be.
Jack, I'm not following the logic here. Why couldn't Owner and I both be town?

he’s probably thinking math but I’m willing to buy that we have a maniacally murdering Dom on our hands

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:36 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:08 am how jack is speaking sounds like he knows juliets is town which really bothers me.
If I was scum, fuck mislynching. I’d want the serial killer.

If you’re town, I don’t see how Juliets can be.
I'm starting to think you might be okay. *this is so stressful* But then who's not town in my town? idk

could it be ... you?

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