The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:17 pm What was that? Link to scumchat? Someone wants a link to scumchat I’m pretty sure.

Seems good

Jack’s posting so I think I’m good but I’m waiting for Mac to come in here and say the games still on.

This was a weird one.

Whatever I’m falling asleep

legacy reads assuming I get lynched:
Nutella Michelle Sabie scum

Maybe 1 of Sloonei Epi LC? Haven’t gotten a strong feel on LC this game

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:04 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:37 pm I’m pretty sure this is solid reasoning. I think on probability people who take lines like Michelle are more likely scum and people who take lines like Sloonei are more likely town.
Disagree? Y/N
Yes about me.
I thought is wolfy that you're doing the math day 1 because this may be a thing to pose in town carring.

Also I disagree with any playstyle comparison.

Sloonei's post was townish by itself and the mention of him being probably asleep at Eod and honestly pointing that his vote will last, I think this is villagery.

So you take my post and his post, make a comparison and find me scum? This is scumtactic from you and I notice a bad progression of you on me.

I suppose I’ll respond to the attacks cause I think they’re interesting.
1. Why didn’t you present this the first time? Is it because you just made it up right now?
2. TSP: here’s a post on day 1 I don’t like from Michelle. I think Michelle is scummy. Michelle: that’s a bad progression

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:33 am I have suspicions on all three of the people with votes. In looking through Tony's posts a lot of his focus is on jack. He makes it a point to say "if I'm nightkilled jack is scum" and that he needs a few days to figure him out subtle ways of saying dont lynch me im town without actually saying it. When he was mafia in the past his main focus of discussion was his own teammates so if they got killed off he could be like see I'm not bad. Ive seen jack do this as well. Also his post making it a point to say how many mislynches we can have was a little sketchy. I see a lot of fair points on him and he hasnt done much to counteract these points.

Jack I've expressed my suspicion on him. There's a fair amount of back and forth discussion on him but I'm still leaning towards thinking he is mafia.

Nutella can be very difficult to read as she does often follow the waves of the thread but her response to things so far hasn't made me feel confident about her being town.

This day 1 is hard there are fair points on all three. Voting tony as I feel worst about him and his efforts thus far.

The first two things are patently false. The rest make me think Sabie is scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 pm There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:

Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella
Sloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.

And Quin is missing

Lot of reads coming out of nowhere, and his agenda for me is visible.

I didn’t know Quin was in the game until after I posted the list. And I really appreciate how you think my agenda is visible because of the positioning of two people. What’s my agenda? Save my teammate DF? Lynch Sloonei? Well if my agenda is lynch Sloonei then why did I say he was townier than you? That would have been a mistake.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:28 pm Jack— you’re doing the exact thing LC just accused you of.
Which is what?
You filled the thread with more filler bullshit

Now... your posts don't reek.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 pm Some Tony things:
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.

His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
I think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.
Okay thanks for your opinion.

anyone want to dissent?
I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.

What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?
No.

And I don't like that I didn't see a response to this.
[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Spicy

I responded somewhere

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:04 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:37 pm I’m pretty sure this is solid reasoning. I think on probability people who take lines like Michelle are more likely scum and people who take lines like Sloonei are more likely town.
Disagree? Y/N
Yes about me.
I thought is wolfy that you're doing the math day 1 because this may be a thing to pose in town carring.

Also I disagree with any playstyle comparison.

Sloonei's post was townish by itself and the mention of him being probably asleep at Eod and honestly pointing that his vote will last, I think this is villagery.

So you take my post and his post, make a comparison and find me scum? This is scumtactic from you and I notice a bad progression of you on me.

this is nagl right I’m not sure what’s expected

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:50 pm 6 am day end is really gonna cramp my style.

Wake up

Hopefully I’ll be around for an hour ish I will respond to every post within that hour please people talk I am bored

I’m pretty sure this is solid reasoning. I think on probability people who take lines like Michelle are more likely scum and people who take lines like Sloonei are more likely town.
Disagree? Y/N

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:30 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:22 pm ....I don't get it. Saying a post that was made to generate content was unnecessary can definitely be a scum argument. And I don't get your point about Michelle's comment either.
I think scum tends to take an explosive response because it can generate more discussion and town will tend to take a more genuine line. “This post isn’t solving” is a cop out argument in general, but here I think it functions as a sign that Sloonei doesn’t have an agenda. I also liked Sloonei’s phrasing but I tend not to delve into syntax cause 1) people think it’s stupid and 2) it makes future syntax arguments more WIFOMy.
...But pointing out that you made an empty post can and does generate discussion on you? As we are now demonstrating? Lol

But like that’s not how I think it gets processed by a townie or a scum member. Scum isn’t going to think a “this post isn’t hunting” argument day 1 will generate discussion. Because it won’t, especially against someone who won’t defend from the accusation directly. This discussion is only tangentially related to that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:27 pm @TonyStarkPrime

We need to consolidate.

Ehh. I’m waiting for something exciting to happen.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:22 pm ....I don't get it. Saying a post that was made to generate content was unnecessary can definitely be a scum argument. And I don't get your point about Michelle's comment either.

I think scum tends to take an explosive response because it can generate more discussion and town will tend to take a more genuine line. “This post isn’t solving” is a cop out argument in general, but here I think it functions as a sign that Sloonei doesn’t have an agenda. I also liked Sloonei’s phrasing but I tend not to delve into syntax cause 1) people think it’s stupid and 2) it makes future syntax arguments more WIFOMy.

Sigh. Sloonei’s gripe was that my post was unnecessary. I’m not trying to solve. Etc. Michelle’s gripe was that I was counting number of mislynches.

Which of these is a real argument? Which of these is a scum argument?

There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:

Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 pm Some Tony things:
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.

His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
I think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.
Okay thanks for your opinion.

anyone want to dissent?
I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.

What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?

1) I wanted to try saying things that make people say things. You pass, Michelle doesn’t. You know why.

2) I tend to scumread Dom early. I’m always wrong. This game I didn’t. For the longest time Jack would always read me the opposite of what I was, and my initial thought when I read Dom and found nothing objectionable was that maybe I’m in the same place.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pm Next up...

JACKOFHEARTS2005:
-Did this post need the NAI remark? I think it works better without it. On the surface, something declared as 'Not Alignment Indicative' sounds neutral, but to me it reads as 'No Reason To Read Baddie Intent Here.' Does anyone have thoughts on this? I don't know if NAI declarations are thrown out like candy at a Halloween parade these days or if it's just jargon from other cultures that I'm not used to.

I think we’re overusing NAI as a group probably but I’m probably biased based on Nutella just calling me out for it.
I’ll get to the substance in an hour or so hopefully.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
I think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.

Okay thanks for your opinion.

anyone want to dissent?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:17 am Jack is never this out of character as scum I think. I also tend to be able to sort him out by day 3 unless I die so as always not lynching him

this is a juicy little post

I've never liked when people say things like "I can sort this person/start trying to solve the game by day X" -- if you're town it's like asking to be night killed, if you're scum it's lazy and a slightly manipulative way to wriggle out of a lynch

this doesn't really make sense as jack/tony w/w I don't think... maybe tony has tmi on jack? idk it doesn't sit right
If I am ever nightkilled Jack is scum. I am not good enough as town to be nightkilled otherwise (which is kinda purposeful but that's a topic for another day). My main town function is attacking scum Jack.

I don't see how you can see this as AI in any manner; I don't get why it doesn't make sense as me/jack w/w.
This sounds like some weird kind of wifom setup but I haven't quite figured it out

It’s a WIFOM disaster.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:39 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:13 pm I also have identified a specific town tell from Michelle from the few games I have played with her, will see if it happens
mind to share it? I can't observe myself very well.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
doing the math in day 1? You are usually counting how many mislynches are needed for a scum win?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:17 am Jack is never this out of character as scum I think. I also tend to be able to sort him out by day 3 unless I die so as always not lynching him
why was Jack out if character?
Yes why wouldn't I

Because he was kinda going after DFaraday and he wasn't just joking around early. I think that's NAI for reasons I explained.
You didn't say it was NAI though you said he wouldn't do it as scum?

meh look at that comparing the things I said and finding inconsistencies.
I have no explanation I must have changed my mind

[mention]nutella[/mention], you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?

I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:29 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:54 am Alright who’s a murderer

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:56 am Chop chop give yourself up it’s an inevitability you will be caught and hanged for your crimes
Also he opened with this cartoonishly aggro jokey thing, idk probably NAI but it seemed uncharacteristic

Hmm my first reaction to this was nutella = scum but I think that

[here's a post from a person that I'm trying to shade it seems off but it's probably NAI]

is NAI.

Which makes this post pretty meta.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:17 am Jack is never this out of character as scum I think. I also tend to be able to sort him out by day 3 unless I die so as always not lynching him

this is a juicy little post

I've never liked when people say things like "I can sort this person/start trying to solve the game by day X" -- if you're town it's like asking to be night killed, if you're scum it's lazy and a slightly manipulative way to wriggle out of a lynch

this doesn't really make sense as jack/tony w/w I don't think... maybe tony has tmi on jack? idk it doesn't sit right

If I am ever nightkilled Jack is scum. I am not good enough as town to be nightkilled otherwise (which is kinda purposeful but that's a topic for another day). My main town function is attacking scum Jack.

I don't see how you can see this as AI in any manner; I don't get why it doesn't make sense as me/jack w/w.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:13 pm I also have identified a specific town tell from Michelle from the few games I have played with her, will see if it happens
mind to share it? I can't observe myself very well.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
doing the math in day 1? You are usually counting how many mislynches are needed for a scum win?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:17 am Jack is never this out of character as scum I think. I also tend to be able to sort him out by day 3 unless I die so as always not lynching him
why was Jack out if character?

Yes why wouldn't I

Because he was kinda going after DFaraday and he wasn't just joking around early. I think that's NAI for reasons I explained.

I like G-Man mini-ISOing himself. I sometimes o that as town and then people yell at me so now I don't. I wouldn't ever do it as scum because I'd think people would yell at me. But maybe it's just a ploy.

I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.

Jack is never this out of character as scum I think. I also tend to be able to sort him out by day 3 unless I die so as always not lynching him

Chop chop give yourself up it’s an inevitability you will be caught and hanged for your crimes

Alright who’s a murderer

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