The Syndicate

Adam wrote:I am currently thinking MP and Dizzy should be the next two lynches. Someone feel free to contradict me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I know I haven't been super involved this game, but I cannot believe you all act like I haven't done anything and I'm "coasting". I have over 170 posts. Yes, some of them are filled with apologies and not a slew of analytical content which is not ideal, but there is still plenty by which to try and make an assessment of me. S~V~S also has content as well. This is really just dumb to say "all Syndicate players are playing the same" and "MP is coasting". There's content in there. You can analyze them. Give me something to respond to.

SVS has very little content.

All her posts are about how I'm bad. Very little about other players. Very little in the way of details.

I've asked her for this multiple times and she doesn't feel the need to give us any more.

Care to give any reads on other players MP?

That's fine, if you want to lynch her for that by all means. I don't know her alignment. I just massively misread her in LOST Again so I'm not going to act like I'm super opposed to her lynch. I just think she's town based on the small amounts I have been able to play of this game. I've said so all game. But that's just my lone somewhat uninformed perspective; there's enough of the thread I haven't read frankly.

I'm so out of the loop this game I don't feel I have any particularly well-informed reads. But just GTH I'd say, excluding all role claims as if they never existed:

Adam - Scum
Nifty - Scum
Wilgy - Town
Dizzy - Scum
Epi - Town
Fred - Town
IR - Town
JOH - Town
LC - Town
nutella - Town
sprityo - Town
S~V~S - Town
TSP - Scum

I don't feel super confident about many of those though. Ideally I want to do ISOs but I shouldn't even be here right now (I have too much work to do and it's incredibly time sensitive) and I've also had to defend myself.

Long Con wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:I'm flexible though, should keep LC around, maybe he convinces his team to kill him again.

I agree with keeping me around, but that last part is very poor.

TSP is Commander Shepard, but he missed the vote on Day 1?

Oops. Someone messed up.

Shame on you. Can you ask Wilgy if he was messing with me during yesterday's silence-communication attempts?

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:I'm flexible though, should keep LC around, maybe he convinces his team to kill him again.

I agree with keeping me around, but that last part is very poor.

TSP is Commander Shepard, but he missed the vote on Day 1?

Fredwood wrote:So...we putting nut and Nifty in that list? I believe nut is town, so clearing Nifty is strong.

TSP, Me, Wilgy, Nut, Nifty...I'll go ahead and put you in there...cus I'm buddying now. So 6...depending on where you put the Geth that's 7.

So Out of the remaining 7 5 are bad guys... I'm still reading town on Adam, and the claim at least makes sense for Spirit, I'm willing to buy it over the rest of them.

Unless we're going to say Nut isn't good, then my numbers change.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am unhappy that nobody figured this out yet.

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Nothing has changed, by the way.

Number is Confirmed Maf voted for - Confirmed Town voted for at the end of the day

Hard is if they vote for people who have claimed

Soft is if they vote for people who haven't claimed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Fry meme aside, care to say how you came to this groundbreaking information?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/postin ... 4&p=357131
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 38#p357238
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p357851
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357884
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357886
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357888
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p357891
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p358125
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p358129

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:TSP is Shepherd and he's fucking Wigly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Think I know what I'm talking about, TSP?

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Nutella = Yes, I get Epi's list

Ok, if that's the case then I'll leave the latest multi-choice one up. To answer "It's who she isn't talking about", choose S~V~S instead Wilgy!

Epignosis wrote:I am unhappy that nobody figured this out yet.

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Nothing has changed, by the way.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Yes. Why don't you vote for a baddie instead?

Just curious- why is Wilgy a civilian?

Yah. This. Wilgy is not a Civilian, people.

I know Wilgy's exact role.

Long Con wrote: Reverse-Tracking. RTing. Got it. These are new terms for most Syndicate folk, I think. We don't have a standard set of lingo for watching and tracking; those roles have been rarities in the past as far as I can remember

Epignosis wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:I don't like either of the two top lynches right now for various reasons.

But let's return to the guy who hasn't answered my last question yet:

Wilgy, vote for anyone you really don't want to lynch

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Tony

Who would you prefer?

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:S'not. I'd be 2. LC wouldn't be -1.
Maybe known mafia votes - known town votes?

I don't really care. If he's good, there's no reason to beat around the bush about it.

Silver ISO was an absolute bust. He talked to LC once and discussed/talked to no other players whose alignments I don't already know.

Oh yeah, probably that. Subtract one from all the Llama voters.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:S'not. I'd be 2. LC wouldn't be -1.
Maybe known mafia votes - known town votes?

I don't really care. If he's good, there's no reason to beat around the bush about it.

Silver ISO was an absolute bust. He talked to LC once and discussed/talked to no other players whose alignments I don't already know.

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Long Con is the only one below a zero.

Wilgy is the only one above a two.

Think people.

What part does your being enigmatic play in a Civ victory?

Below 0 is how much he thinks people are Cerebrus, above is how likely he thinks they are Reaper? Only thing that makes sense to me.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Long Con is the only one below a zero.

Wilgy is the only one above a two.

Think people.

What part does your being enigmatic play in a Civ victory?

Long Con wrote:Also:

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy

Ok, I fold.

One possibility: Epignosis believes Wilgy is a Reaper, and he chose Alliance.

Another: Wilgy is a Reaper, and has known Epi to be one for a while, and Epi is taking the chance on a good-looking bus

A Third: Epi is playing a game that we don't get to understand yet

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy does not appear to be hunting at all. Several times, Dizzy's been like "I'm okay with lynching *three people*." Dizzy's voting behavior also indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone.

Likely LMS type role. Almost too easy is all.

Nah. I'd lean more toward that's Mafia Dizzy, but I don't really know Dizzy's playstyle that well. From this post, I would be looking hard at you, Jack, should Dizzy ever turn up bad. And vice-versa, I guess.

By your estimation, how many mafia members do I need to get lynched before you become absolutely certain that I am mafia?

Fredwood wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So he was pretending to be silenced, I presume?

Fredwood wrote:

Maybe he's silenced, usually Mal (who claims he doesn't use silencers a lot...cough...) at least makes a note of it in the write-up. If you guys handle it where you don't notify everyone that someone is silenced I don't know what takes precedent.

One of my favorite silencing stories comes from when Silver and I were mafia together, and one of the other mafia members roles was a silencer, after about day 2 or so we kept silencing the same poor guy (think it might have been IR...but not sure) for like 3 days. Meanwhile Silver and I both pretended to be silenced during that time. Finally the guy who was the silencer was lynched or killed off and the next day phase all 3 of us were claiming to be silenced, it ended up that the guy who was actually silenced got voted off, and it was close enough to end game that the confusion allowed Silver and I to both end up winning as scum....so we're not above pretending to be silenced I guess.

He's done it before. Don't know if he was doing it now, but I guess he could have tried it again? Who knows.

Adam wrote:Is it considered bad etiquette here to lynch a silenced player?

CaptainNifty wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:
@Nifty - You said in your post that Nut was scum read by everyone? When? That is not how I've perceived it.

Once upon a time, there were 7 little ducklings living in the back yard of a beautiful house in the country side somewhere in Murica. The little ducklings had lost their mother, but fortunately they were not alone as they had a dog of an unspecified breed to look after them and raise them as they were his own. This, of course, had a peculiar effect on the little ducklings, who instead of quacking were heard barking loudly from time to time. "Let's play catch the ball!" said one of the little ducklings, and off they ran as fast as their little duck feet would alow them.

Linki: stuff.

I'll try to go and find everyone during the first two day phases that said they didn't trust nut, but that will probably take awhile.

Funny enough, we had a duck that used to chase the dog around the yard. He was scared to go outside for some time.

Linki: Regarding what Adam just said. Voting Wigly is seriously scum. Fred is in my face and it makes me uncomfortable, but voting for him is ridiculous. Wigly is in your face, but he's clearly civ. vote Adam

S~V~S wrote:

Adam wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

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Adam wrote:Pairs of players who are not mafia teammates:

Jack and Dom
Jack and SVS
Silver and SVS
Silver and Jack
Gfish and Epi
Long Con and Epi
Nifty and TSP
DrWilgy and gfish

Not as long of a list as I thought it would be.

I'm not sure what inspired this set of conclusions. Perhaps Adam can elaborate here.

I'm not sure what your question is. Do you think it's likely that any of the above are teammates together? I can go point by point if you want.

I think it's a cultural thing. Do you folk at HCR throw teammates under the bus early and often for distancing? That is fairly common here, so people who are aggressively sparring in thread could still be teammates. Like one game MP and I were teammates, and he was making a case on me from pretty much his first post. I personally am not a fan of that baddie playstyle, but it IS common here.

MP thinks you are suspicious for a possible cultural difference?

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Last night, Reaper targeted CBob. Unless JOH is totally tricking me, what he said about CBob on day 1 suggests to me that he would not go for CBob for a night kill night one, as he basically prepped the other team to do that.

Wait what? How do you know this? Why are you talking about Jack as comfirmed scum here?

I am saying that if JOH were scum, I don't think he would be a reaper.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Sobered up. Since I'm gonna talk about Bob, it's worth stating that my earlier post about Bob/Ice (who is not in the game, though I wish he was) was a joke. I hadn't actually read any content at the time.

I do not consider Bob's actions as outlined by MP protown or antitown.

Bob is by my estimation the best HCRealms player who isn't me. He's great at strategic analysis. I totally expected his first posts to be clarifying rules/tricky roles and especially meta/Syndicate strategy. That is outside his alignment and is step one to playing this game from his (and my) standpoint. You have to understand the whole picture before you can play well. In no universe does Bob ignore this and in no universe is he scared to engage the Syndicate players in this type of discussion.

The only thing that Bob has done that is potentially alignment indicative is voting for Dizzy. Bob, can you explain your vote?

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Last night, Reaper targeted CBob. Unless JOH is totally tricking me, what he said about CBob on day 1 suggests to me that he would not go for CBob for a night kill night one, as he basically prepped the other team to do that.

Wait what? How do you know this? Why are you talking about Jack as comfirmed scum here?

Epignosis wrote:

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Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@Dom - My suspicion on Nut is just there because she hasn't contributed enough for me to say otherwise. She's not a Cerberus, and I don't trust her yet... So Reaper!

@EVERYONE
I'm tired of this Judge Judy bullshit. I need from each player, in only 3 sentences minimum, who are GFish's teammates and why.

My own -
LC and Raven are GFish's teammates. LC for his interactions with Epi during the past cycle. Raven for Gfish's "out of left field" question, and acceptance of sub-par answers (IMO).

I think the fastest way for us to deal with Cerberus is to tie up both LC and Raven. Lay them both down so their heads are relatively on top of each other, then drop a really, really, heavy rock on both of their heads. There will be a crunch, then a host message that Cerberus has been womp womp'd.

I don't know if you are worth trying to reason with, but you are wrong. I'm not Cerberus. Go drop a rock on your own head, as far as I'm concerned there's no reason not to believe you're a Reaper.

M'kay, do you have reason to believe I AM a Reaper? By all means, drop a rock on my head if you think that'll win you the game.

Well, you've been fawning over Epignosis for quite a while now. Since I believe he's chosen to be a Reaper, that makes you my number one choice as a Reaper suspicion.

How do I choose to be a Reaper?

Explain it to me using my role description.

Are you fucking kidding me? Why are you dancing the Obtuse Dance?

I don't choose to be a Reaper. I choose to win with them.

That's a big difference.

DrWilgy wrote:@Dom - My suspicion on Nut is just there because she hasn't contributed enough for me to say otherwise. She's not a Cerberus, and I don't trust her yet... So Reaper!

@EVERYONE
I'm tired of this Judge Judy bullshit. I need from each player, in only 3 sentences minimum, who are GFish's teammates and why.

My own -
LC and Raven are GFish's teammates. LC for his interactions with Epi during the past cycle. Raven for Gfish's "out of left field" question, and acceptance of sub-par answers (IMO).

I think the fastest way for us to deal with Cerberus is to tie up both LC and Raven. Lay them both down so their heads are relatively on top of each other, then drop a really, really, heavy rock on both of their heads. There will be a crunch, then a host message that Cerberus has been womp womp'd.

linki - neat!

Now what I am about to say regarding this post may seem insignificant, but in hindsight, I think it's important.

"Epignosis" is a Greek word meaning "toward knowledge." It's my username because it defines what I'm about.

gfishfunk got the meaning wrong.

Epignosis - has knowledge of of the spiritual realm above, if names are to be believed.

I might forgive it, except that he said "if names are to be believed."

That tells me he didn't look up my name. "Epignosis" doesn't inherently have anything to do with spiritual things or heaven or any of that. My music has such themes.

What I'm driving at is this: Gfishfunk is on a team with somebody who knows I'm religious but doesn't know what my name means. In other words, I believe someone from The Syndicate is on his team, because his understanding of Koine Greek is shit. How did he know my name could be religious?

On another note, "Long Con" is a fairly simple name to say something about. gfish took a stab at my name, which is fairly more complicated, but for Long Con, had this to say: "I have nothing witty to say about this person. It can be argued that I haven't said anything witty yet, either."

I believe Long Con was paralyzed. That is to say I believe he was Gfishfunk's teammate, but, due to the circumstances, he couldn't comfortably move his vote even if he wanted to. So he stayed on me. He had no comfortable avenue to vote elsewhere.

And gfishfunk being mafia gives credence to my little scheme with respect to Long Con. The fact that they both tried to "expose" me shows they are working together.

I will stop here to flush my system. I will resume later. I encourage everyone to look at these posts and see potential teammate interactions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Because based on Epi's role, he probably doesn't have btsc with the other Reapers.

It's not as much of a loss than yourself, especially when you are unsure of Epi.

JoH, I don't know the case on you. What I do know is that under pressure you didn't act like a dying civ.

I wasn't a dying civ.

Epi had more votes and then GFish had more votes.

There were three players (Dom, Silver and SVS) who were not interested in having an honest discussion about my alignment. There were two players (Sprityo and Fred, who fell off and was also confirmed) that said they didn't even scumread me but just wouldn't be able to trust me. There were also TSP and GFish who didn't vote for me until it was too late but they didn't provide real reading for voting for me over Epi or GFish.

Six votes (not counting Fred). Zero convincing reasons. Two alternative lynch targets were were obviously bad.

I was never in danger of being lynched and if I was wrong about that? The story writes itself. "Scum follows bullshit reasoning to save their buddy. Refuses to give reasons for lynching a townie. Gets caught and loses game."


Out of curiosity, how do you think a dying civ is supposed to act?

Fredwood wrote:How do you know a Reaper targeted Bob?

Fredwood wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:I think that this revelation strengthens Epi's claim that he was attacked, but it doesn't change the chance of him being a maf don instead of the neutral who's name I am forgetting.

IR is here, what dies he think about these recent turns?

Long Con looks like he could be Cerebrus, but I think he would have bussed GFish pretty quick.

Silver still looks suspicious, but I am willing to give him a pass for a while.

I am not convinced that Jack or Nut cannot be Cerebrus, since if Jack is not Cerebrus he is very likely not mafia.

Jack isn't Cerberus because Gfish doesn't get lynched unless he's willing to move his vote. Reaper is still very likely.

I don't think Nut is Cerberus, again for a similar reason that Jack isn't, because the timing of her vote isn't bussing a dying team member, or a cover pressure vote. Again, Reaper is still very likely.

Why do you think Jack can't be Reaper?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I've never heard "bus" in any other mafia context.

Guess I can join this fish wagon thing. I'm cool with it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:My apologies to our fine hosts as well as you all for my absence. My schedule took an unexpected turn yesterday and what I thought was going to be a mostly off day but still at home ended up being a mostly off day with an impromptu road trip and spending time with my wife which I really needed. It just means today I've been playing massive work catchup.

I won't be able to catch up on this thread before EoD I'm sure, and I still have more work to do throughout the evening, so I'll try to get the gist of what's going on, at least make a vote, and be more properly engaged in time for the next phase.

tell her I say hi

You bet, bud.

So what's going on, Doctor Wilgy? Want to give me a quick rundown? Why are you voting the way you are?

I got this you guys.


Epi claimed Geth so he's probably bad or will turn bad. But maybe not. Much argument about this.

GFish claimed flamethrower dude and he tried to block/kill Epi last night. He was scummy and stuff before but the fact that he's claiming to have done a potential kill before using his cop ability is really fishy.

Silver is obviously scum. Doesn't want to lynch Epi or GFish. Is not hunting.

Several people are voting for me for stupid reasons but I'm town.

Dom wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:
There are many reasons to distrust Jack, but I feel that this whole rainbow issue seems off for both of you.

Then why don't you read up on the other stuff I've said on Jack like how he has an inconherent position on nutella. He excuses MP's behavior that is similar. When confronted with this, he says nutella is too vague. When asked for details on this he just reiterates himself and says "No".

So like... wanna address the points made on your teammate or do you wanna just pretend like my entire case is about a fucking rainbow list that was a test for Jack anyway? One that he failed miserably.

nutella wrote: : god why do people even try to quote long posts without snipping to what they're replying to? at least spoiler and then use the preview button before posting! look what happened to fred