The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:47 pm SHOCKED no one tried to kill me tbh.

We thought we could maybe lynch you.

That wasn't gonna happen.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:10 pm I don't think your kill choices helped either, although that's less within your control. I baited a kill by throwing your name out there once I suspected it was you, believing that nutella was John and DF was Pamela by that point, and that it kept at least one of the power roles alive another day (I wasn't sure if LoRab was the other one).

One thing that also gets lost in games like this is the utility you can get from the right civilian lynch (although you can never plan it intentionally). Jack's lynch ended up working in the towns favour, we couldn't have narrowed so many things down without knowing timmer was the glow cloud.

Yeah, you are right about the kills. But the right plays (probably Dom night 2 and spirtyo night 4) but it really feels bad to kill people who are getting suspicion. And my Tan Man gambit was sure to fail based on the set up, but we had no way of knowing that.

Might as well post this:

*Secrets*
Uses a different head each night. Each power can be used only once. Hiram becomes vanilla after all powers are used.
Gold Head - lynch switch (me and Eloh)
Green Head - add +1 vote (Epi some night)
Purple Head - Can anonymously message Cecil one night. (First night)
Blue Head - Dead role check (dfaraday)
Gray Head - Silence a player (used on Epi)

BTSC: https://discord.gg/qcySGyf

I'm surprised I didn't get lynched immediately after I almost died. We had a lynch switch and I was trying to
decide whether to get Epi or Eloh. Turns out it wouldn't have mattered.

Epi, were you faking silenced the first night?

Well... that was unexpected. Fun game with all of you, I hope to play with you all again.

Pretty easy revive, I think. Someone want to make the argument that we should give an early death a chance?

EBWOP

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:10 pm
Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:03 pm Then follow through on what you said you were going to do with your vote. Or are you... chicken?

I've been posting from a phone this entire week and really can't build a massive case. Especially not at this brain state. I've already said TSP should get lynched again because he tried to hide behind secrets for the weird Elo lynch thing, Tamika died, and the remaining secrets aren't civ.
This is not entirely accurate. I'm not trying to hide behind secrets, I've been as open as I can possibly be with the information I have.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:03 pm Then follow through on what you said you were going to do with your vote. Or are you... chicken?

I've been posting from a phone this entire week and really can't build a massive case. Especially not at this brain state. I've already said TSP should get lynched again because he tried to hide behind secrets for the weird Elo lynch thing, Tamika died, and the remaining secrets aren't civ.

This is entirely accurate. I'm not trying to hide behind secrets, I've been as open as I can possibly be with the information I have.

Epignosis

Note last night Epi never actually said that he had been silenced. It seems a townie would have made that clear early, but he might have been avoiding a Lie Detection. That right there might make me inclined enough to vote for him.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:14 pm Personally I want to say Kevin was eloh, who's secret was to reveal as Cecil due to lore things

In doing so, Epi had to fake being silenced. Who were the people that we had marked as maybe Marcus?

Dom said:
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:24 am Through some deductive reasoning (vote records, etc) I have deduced that Marcus must be one of the following players:
Boomslang
DFaraday
Epignosis
Ricochet

Of those, I think Boomslang is most likely to be Marcus
I can agree with this but I'm sticking by Epi being marcus. Unless for whatever reason that Hiram had the role reveal as his secret.

That's he only piece I'm missing I think is whether eloh was Kevin or hiram

But why would he fake being silenced twice in a row? I feel like today he has to actually be silenced. He wouldn't fake it twice in a row, that would be stupid. Eloh would almost have to be Hiram then. But that would make less sense. So there could be another silencer, but then why didn't it come up earlier?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:50 pm Rico is a weird option. Golden was convinced he wasn't Pol, but his interactions with Pol have been weird.

Assuming Rico's telling the truth, the curse is on him again today, and it obviously isn't a reference or a joke.
Why would Pol drop the joke to hammer down on Rico?

They either want him dead or don't want him dead.

That ended up being a lot less clear than I thought it would be.

He is either correctly scumreading pols and they had to remove him in case he had info or he is pol and needs support for his actions.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:46 pm Wasn't Epi silenced yesterday though?
Oh right, there's no double targetting

Good catch

Townies would have no reason to fake silence, right? So either crazy stuff would have to happen or he's on one team or another. Anything I'm missing?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:22 am
Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:25 am Speedchuck, because of this whole very conscious self-doubt thing over typos and not voting Rico last lynch. I think he really didn't want to take responsibility for breaking the tie to lynch another civ and looking like he was saving someone.
If Jack was scum, this might make sense.

He wasn't. It doesn't.

It makes sense if you are scum with Rico.

Actually, it makes sense no matter what. You could have info that suggests to you both are town and you don't want to be cast in a negative light for putting a late vote on a townie.

@Boom/ Dom I think I've heard the typo thing before but I could only find one instance. Is there another?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:33 amTony-- what's up?

I'll be honest with you.

I have no idea what's going on. I have a set of players I scumread and a set I don't, and I've been rereading through some old days and trying to figure stuff out.

I'd be willing to lynch
INH
Boom
Epi
Spirtyo

I'm in a weird place on Rico

And I wouldn't like to lynch
Dom
Speedchuck
Wilgy
Quin

I've played games where people who die at night don't reveal and those who die in the day do -- my original mafia background is in mostly vanilla games like that -- but I don't know what's going on here. Both mafias have one person basically guaranteed dead, but we still don't know what team Elo is on and if any of the dead people were mafia on other teams.

One thing I'm sure of - if Epi is bad, he's almost definitely Strex. I've read some (3-5) posts where Epi implicitly presupposes that X scum read couldn't be Strex, but I haven't seen that with politicians. If he's town, that's justifiable as he splits mafia reads into Strex and scummy people. If he's Strex, it makes sense because he knows who's on Strex. If he's a politician, I don't see a reason why he'd make that distinction.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm (Like right now, I would love to be able to vote. Like a lot.)
Who'd you have voted for?
Probably INH but I'd vote either him or Rico to save myself.

If I was king, I might lynch Boomslang.

I really need to go back through the role list. Find out how some know what they know.

Some might be pretending they know more than they do.
I've done that at least once this game.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm The last time TSP did a last-minute vote for me, a civilian got lynched.

Just sayin'.

Didn't LC get lynched?

LC got lynched.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm (Like right now, I would love to be able to vote. Like a lot.)

Who'd you have voted for?

Voting for INH.

INH

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:53 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:51 pm Tony, anything to say on jacks claims about silencing?
He really hates it. I cleared him of being an SMaf the instant he didn't post that day.
That's helpful thanks.

He's a trickster, but I don't think he's quite that tricky.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:52 pm Nothing about boomslangs posting rate feels meta indicative to me, he's always quieter.

Good to know, that sways me a little bit against voting for him.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:51 pm Tony, anything to say on jacks claims about silencing?

He really hates it. I cleared him of being an SMaf the instant he didn't post that day.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:44 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:39 pm Is there an actual case on Boomslang somewhere?
The case is only his relative absence.
But he's voted every day, which looks a lot more scummy for 16-odd posts.
I don't think so. I care more about the quality of his 16 posts than the fact that he has 16 posts.

Fair. I was thinking more about how the fact that he's voted every day would mean he is still paying attention, he just wants to avoid suspicion easier.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:45 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:36 pm @Golden

I'm silencing myself when I love to heard myself talk or I'm giving my team minus two votes by burning a vote steal on myself?

Who am I teamed with? You, Quin and Speed have been the only ones taking my side for most of the game and I'm suddenly on you and Speed's shortlist.

You're tunneling. Take a step back.
I'm far from tunnelling. I'm working out my vote, and I'm getting you to engage with me. Don't ask me who you're teamed with as though that is convincing, for all I know it's LC and timmer, I don't find the concept persuasive. I have no way to know whether you are being honest about the silencing thing - it rings true, but its wifom.
I've singlehandedly gotten most of the Realms to drop the silencer role by bitching about how being silenced isn't fun.

An early idea I had for the game I'm working on is a neutral who could only silence JOH.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:39 pm Is there an actual case on Boomslang somewhere?
The case is only his relative absence.

But he's voted every day, which looks a lot more scummy for 16-odd posts.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:23 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:19 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:14 pm Truth be told, here is my biggest dilemma...

I think Jack is more likely to be bad than rico
I think sprit is more likely to be bad than INH

But it looks like the choice is going to be between rico and inh.

linki @Quin - that's a decent point re Jack. Why would you slip if you knew your teammate would flip civ?
I...
actually agree on both points.

I still think Epi is the most sus, but I'll follow you on a Jack or sprit lynch. I'd lean sprit there.
To clarify, I'd still be fine with an INH lynch, I think his death reveals more about others. But he seems a little more townie than sprit and sprit could reasonably be on both teams.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:01 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:55 pm Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?
General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

Does the general consensus not include you?

General consensus changes fast when no one has any idea what's going on.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:20 pm Lost track of time today. Don't think Rico or INH is bad. Don't think I can get support for a TSP lynch at this point, even though I think his secrets are likely to be bad. So voting Jack, whom I remember distrusting earlier.

Welcome back.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:19 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:14 pm Truth be told, here is my biggest dilemma...

I think Jack is more likely to be bad than rico
I think sprit is more likely to be bad than INH

But it looks like the choice is going to be between rico and inh.

linki @Quin - that's a decent point re Jack. Why would you slip if you knew your teammate would flip civ?
I...
actually agree on both points.

I still think Epi is the most sus, but I'll follow you on a Jack or sprit lynch. I'd lean sprit there.

To clarify, I'd still be fine with an INH lynch, I think his death reveals more about others. But he seems a little more townie than sprit and sprit could reasonably be on both teams.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:14 pm Truth be told, here is my biggest dilemma...

I think Jack is more likely to be bad than rico
I think sprit is more likely to be bad than INH

But it looks like the choice is going to be between rico and inh.

linki @Quin - that's a decent point re Jack. Why would you slip if you knew your teammate would flip civ?

I...
actually agree on both points.

I still think Epi is the most sus, but I'll follow you on a Jack or sprit lynch. I'd lean sprit there.

Is there a solid argument for lynching Rico over Boom?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:35 pm EBWOP

I wasn't doubting Eloh not being Cecil but rather, Eloh being a literal five headed dragon.

Cause Kevin looks similar to Cecil, has supposedly impersonated Cecil (iirc from this thread) and Eloh didn't vote for one of Kevin's teammates when he was the most obvious baddie in the poll.

But if the dragon can shapeshift, that is a fair reason to think a self forge is the dragon.

A running thing (in the two episodes I've heard where shows up) is the dragon tries to pass off fake id or as someone else and then further investigation reveals that he is not whatever human he said he was because he is literally a eighteen feet tall 5 headed dragon.

I'd support lynching INH today. I want to see where that would go. From there I could figure out where to go with Rico and Jack and maybe Spirtyo.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:53 am I got nothing on that not Adama post.

Can someone explain why Eloh could or would be the dragon?

@Sprityo, where's your head at for today's lynch? Same question to Boom, Speed and Tony.

@Golden, what causes you to narrow down to me, Rico, INH?

@Wilgy, what causes you to narrow down to me and Golden?

At this point, I'd probably be good with an INH lynch. Fair chance Rico has real dirt on him. Worst case scenario, we cut out a townie who isn't really hunting and confirm that I am not in fact protecting my mafia teammate. But I don't think INH is good. I liked him in ASOUE for hunting and he was good. So if he's 90% focused on self defense, maybe I can read him good enough to say "INH is bad" after all.

I wouldn't mind lynching Epi for previously stated reasons but I don't like the vote steal + silence combo. Maybe I'm just the sucker in the room but I don't feel like people getting targeted by baddie powers makes them bad. Like yeah, it doesn't make them good, but I'm really doubting this meta assertion from Golden that reads like "more than 50% of baddie offensive night targets are aimed at themselves to buy cred" cause a) I keep getting targeted by those powers in this game, b) I haven't seen a large amount of this in other games and c) it wouldn't work because of exactly what Golden is doing.

I don't see any reason to lynch Rico or Dom.

Assuming Eloh was bad, I don't see reason to lynch Tony.

I'd be fine lynching INH or Epi. I think I'm leading Epi, but I could be convinced otherwise.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:56 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:55 am well you got me there dom

this is what i get for skimming

linki: no that's his neutral post style im pretty sure, Quin

It's the least burdening on the eyes but not the best at conveying emotions since emojis only have so many you can use
I scrolled his posts supa quick. He went from emoji's to Poppy's on Day 2, though.

He got cursed.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:50 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:49 am So is wilgy cursed then? was that thrown out there or established?
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 78#p366878

Poor Dom.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:42 am This game is one of the biggest wifom-fucks I've played in ages.

So wifom that everyone is both simultaneously town and members of two different mafias

Schrödinger's Mafia Game

Who was forced on day three?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:20 am If someone is silenced, then Elo wasn't Kevin.

That's the idea.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:10 am *Lightning strikes, and a journal falls off a bookshelf. The Wind blows it open revealing to be the late doctors personal diary. You swear that there was nothing in these pages when cleaning up after his death... but here there is text... text written in red, but in a familiar voice.*

Dear Diary,

What a feeling, I feel somewhat sick, and somewhat lost. I have little memory of what has recently happened.

Lately TSP has been talking of me. I do not know how he came to these conclusions. Somewhat rude to talk about others if I say so myself. What a baddie.

JoH's reaction to Eloh's death is so peculiar. Its almost as if he didn't bkther to read Eloh's alignment. Odd now that more info on Cecil is in play.

Until next time diary, thank you for keeping my secrets.

I noticed that, found it slightly suspicious, and then remembered that the SMaf silenced Jack d2 and Jack would never allow himself to be silenced. The forced vote could get faked if he were a politician, I guess.

Pretty easy way to find out who died - anyone silenced today?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:04 am Damn, I missed that. We had been presuming Kevin. That shakes things up slightly...

I see no reason for Tony to theorise Elo was Kevin, and be lying about that theory, if he was a Politician. If Elo was actually Hiram despite Tony's theorem, this would go so far as to suggest to me Tony would be on neither team...

But why would it be Hiram not Kevin?

IDK. Falsifying identification papers or whatever.

@Dom I'll have to reread the broadcast. I don't see why the ID would be hidden for just one night either way so there could be more than meets the eye here.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:01 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:55 pm Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?
General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

Cause maybe Rico knows something and can't / won't tell up.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:52 pm "Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

The posts for starting today suggests that Elo might have been Hiram. Which I guess works too.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:18 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:19 pm Dom isn't SMaf--at least not with me.
So Dom could be SMaf without me.
It implies you are.

It implies you are.

for it to imply that I am Maf it would say

I am not SMaf -- at least not with Dom

and that 1. Would be a stupid thing to say and 2. Is not what I said

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:03 pm @Golden - No, fight me.

@LoRabbit - I was going to wait for EoN before I speculate anything like this. As far as I know yesterday was a role shenanigan-d clusterfuck.

@TSP - Yeah, but you won't hear it from me. I also questioned the proof behind the claims that both Rico and Dom were cursed, but you won't hear it from me.

Okay. I think we're on the same page.

Also, RIP Lorab

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:58 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:48 pm I can't confirm any of my Cecil theory until Wilgy shows up, which is unfortunate. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them and I will check with the mod to see the specifics of what I can / can't say.

Main points:
Wilgy is Cecil because secrets
Eloh is Cecil because she flipped that way
One of them (probably Eloh) is actually Kevin
U wot m8? Do tell me this theory, as I would like to be reinvolved with this game.

I keep trying to catch up, but then keep being distracted. I've been building a new bedroom attached to my folk's house all weekend and I have several hundred posts to read through. I really stopped paying attention while my posts were short and sweet. Sorry fam.

I think TSP, JoH, and Golden are all good lynch candidates?

Is there a reason why your posts were short that day?

Dom isn't SMaf--at least not with me.
So Dom could be SMaf without me.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:13 pm You outed yourself.

I still don't get it. Usually I can see why people would think that when this comes up and I say "Oh, well that was a dumb phrasing" and I take suspicion (rightly) for it.
But I don't see this.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:02 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:48 pm I can't confirm any of my Cecil theory until Wilgy shows up, which is unfortunate. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them and I will check with the mod to see the specifics of what I can / can't say.

Main points:
Wilgy is Cecil because secrets
Eloh is Cecil because she flipped that way
One of them (probably Eloh) is actually Kevin
Why do you think that Eloh is more likely to be Kevin than Wilgy?

1. I scumread Eloh.
2. Eloh flipping Cecil is relatively simple secret power text. The alternative would be secret power text that dramatically changes how half a dozen roles work and undermines the fabric of this game.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:04 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:59 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:51 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:48 pm I can't confirm any of my Cecil theory until Wilgy shows up, which is unfortunate. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them and I will check with the mod to see the specifics of what I can / can't say.

Main points:
Wilgy is Cecil because secrets
Eloh is Cecil because she flipped that way
One of them (probably Eloh) is actually Kevin
So..... any reason that you ruled me out as SMaf or?
You are very persistent. JOH was giving three theories to explain LC's lynch. One of them was Dom is bad. One of them is SMaf thought INH was bad. One of them is SMaf wasn't trying to save LC. JOH had crossed off the legitimaely thinking INH was bad one because assuming Rico was good and because I didn't push on INH before that it wasn't plausible (for some reason-- honestly, this one still makes the most sense to me).
So from JOH's point of view there were two theories left. I pointed out that if you were bad with me we could have lynched INH. Since we didn't, we wouldn't be teammates on SMaf. Either of us could be on SMaf seperately. But as far as Jacks theories go, if you aren't bad that leaves him with SMaf wasn't trying to save LC. So no matter what role I was, I would have no reason to try to save LC. So that wasn't what I was doing.
1) Both of us could be sMaf but didn't save LC
2) Your wording was "Dom isn't SMaf--at least not with me"
Something tells me that last addition tells us everything we need to know.

I think no one is responding to you because no one knows what you are getting at.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:55 pm Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?

General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

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