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I did a double take on seeing Nutella’s flip before googling the mafia roles and figuring out what it was. But that’s kind of hard to communicate when you’re dead. I figured Mafia was out after that but it was exciting seeing that come down to the wire.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:30 pmCause the goal of the game is to lynch the mafia before the kill all the townies.
I put it in high nineties. I’m not sure. But I don’t think my info is wrong based on its nature. I can’t explain why.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:36 pmI don't want to be a 'kick you when you're down' kind of guy, but...TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:19 pm I’m fine if you guys lynch me as long as you lynch Nutella after me. I don’t have much more, if you don’t like my case I’m sorry I didn’t present it well. I’ll stop by a few more times but I have a game to run and class until 6.
What if you're wrong here? If you're town, and 100% believe nutella is bad, this almost makes sense. If there's any chance less than that, the two mislynches here would put us in freefall. Do you honestly think there's a 0% chance nutella is town? Especially considering that the Dunya block has been sort-of discredited by Ermac, or at least given a lot of reasonable doubt.
If you're scum and trying to make sure that your death buys a mislynch, this makes more sense, but that's not the point. (Also we're totally lynching in Simon/JJJ tomorrow)
While you have time, talk more about this. How are you so certain?
Mafia TSP is much better at this game.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:46 am Mmph. Comparing to night vale might not be the best thing. TSP was genuinely hunting that game because there were two scumteams.
I’m fine with most of this. But I think there’s a necessary distinction between me saying not enough bussing occurred and if I said no bussing occurred. Especially considering my main argument for that was that the second bolded part.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:07 pm TSP:
Tone is genuine
I like the way he's responded when I pushed him on... night 2? I think it was night 2.
but
Coalignment with Simon is pretty strong (and I'm pretty sure Simon is scum)
I don't like his immediate reaction to the D3 lynch. He acts like no bussing occurred, and I don't know if that's true. D3 was a mess, and we had two strong scum/3P lynches going. Especially with Simon, I don't think there's a reason to save him. Not sure what JJJ was doing.
The way I see it, TSP was working on subtly redirecting suspicions in the aftermath of the Dunya lynch, and I don't like the direction he tried to take it in.
Rereading TSP's Night 3 posts, I could lynch him.
This is true.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:18 am Literally your argument is weak because you forgot to make it, not because of some circular blahdyblah.
I think I did.lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:42 amDid you answer this btw? ?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:18 pmAt this point, very.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:37 pmHow confident are you with this outcome?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:01 amI’m voting Nutella because Nutella is mafia. Don’t lynch me because I think you need me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 am @TonyStarkPrime
Why are you voting Nutella? Why should we not lynch you?
@Quin @Kylemii
@nutella
@Glorfindel
Is it possible Jimmy is Ermac?
Night two opens with this:nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:17 am I really appreciate this luxurious item I've been given that is enfranchisement, and I'm really excited to try it out, but I'm not quite sure what to do with it yet. So far I've heard of people using this product on things such as DrWilgys and TonyStarkPrimes, and from my perspective those are both decent enough choices that I might consider. Not sure I'd waste such a lovely treat on the completely absent toothed bird, but I'd be open to seeing how it might work on a Dave.
I think for now I will test out my wonderful gift on Tony. I wasn't impressed with him on day 1, and although one could argue in his favor that he has been trying to participate more recently despite the... shall we say... stark limitations of his own "gift" today, I have also noticed that one of my other suspects, speedchuck, is voting for the candidate who is currently one vote ahead of Tony. That's about as sufficient a reason as I feel I'm likely to come up with on this day of chaos. So, thanks again hosts for the beautiful shiny poll, that was really thoughtful of you and I think it'll look great on Iron Man.
I can’t put my finger on exactly what’s wrong but I think it’s the apologetic tone. That’s something I’ve always considered to be a common mafia tell, could be a Nut thing. Her Day 3 starts strong with a few posts that give me a slight nudge each way.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:23 pm welp so both sig and mac were civ. :\
that sure was a stressful day phase, lol. I had it easier than some other people but it was still hard to phrase my posts. Had fun with it though. My curse was to "act like I had received a gift" (a reference to the Holiday Goodie Exchange which I ran this year).
But I think / hope it’s a joke.
Which is super super mafia. I mentioned apologetic tone earlier. That first paragraph is full of it and more. And it literally doesn’t make Town sense. I can see town giving a vote choice like this late in the day to stick the flag in the sand but there’s no reason for a townie to ever pontificate so much after. Day 4 has been pretty unsubstantial outside of the classic “No you” defense. So that’s where we are. I want to elaborate on the Dunya posts that would suggest she has something outside of the first one but I also need sleep to live.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 amHad I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.
I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.
I misdirected you into misdirecting a kill onto us. And then we lost a lynch coin toss. And then you misdirected me into a PGO or something.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:09 amJokes on you. I got you killed twice.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:50 amThis was the game we kept Jack around because he was so good at lynching townJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:41 am Here's a baddie Tony in another game if anyone cares.
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/search.ph ... id=5080122
For reference, his teammates where TheBoyBlunder (TBB), DarqFeonix (and the briefly CBob, who was good earlier) and hydramate Rokk Krinn.
And you guys have the Welcome to Night Vale somewhere on your website. I was Mafia there too.
I’ll bite.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:31 amTony has stated/implied/stated he believes multiple things that it would hurt the townies to believe:Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:50 pmMore likely to vote Tony over Wilgy. Wanna throw me a case on each? I've got no read on Tony and reading civ on Wilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:17 pm @lapluie @Glorfindel @Marmot @Long Con @nutella @Quin @Kylemii
You are the players I am relatively sure are not mafia. I strongly think we should lynch Tony or Wilgy today.
Please advise.
1) Lynching Simon is a bad idea even if he is mafia
2) Simon is likely town
3) Dunya stopped a kill by blocking Nutella
4) Nutella's ISO is so obviously bad that it is self evident and no posts are needed to show this
5) The town has around 3 mislynch chances
I don’t like how you keep presenting this as a dichotomy when there are literally fourteen others who could be lynched. It feels like a mid game domineering mafia Jack move.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:43 amI don't see any reason to think they couldn't be w/w but I also don't see any obvious links.
If I had to pick out the mafia right now ftw, I'd probably put them both on it. Only one gets lynched today and I badly want to avoid a mislynch.
This was the game we kept Jack around because he was so good at lynching townJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:41 am Here's a baddie Tony in another game if anyone cares.
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/search.ph ... id=5080122
For reference, his teammates where TheBoyBlunder (TBB), DarqFeonix (and the briefly CBob, who was good earlier) and hydramate Rokk Krinn.
Jack I think you’re Town so I need you’re opinion on what’s bolded above. What do you think TSP could mean by this?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:13 pmThis post is crap.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:29 pm This Nutella read comes to you in two parts. The first part is me just looking for things I don't like in Nutella.
AND I just decided that that doesn't matter. Because you guys can all look through the ISO and see how scummy it is. I don't have more insight into Nutella as a player than most of you and I already pointed out the really scummy posts. The second part is why I'm confident in this read.
Epignosis wrote:
Sheeva
Furious Stomp: Queen Sindel’s Shokan bodyguard blocks her target.
Tell me somebody noticed this.
And there might be more.
There's nothing scummy about Nutella's iso. The block theory is bad.
Tony is probably bad.
I thought your day 2 was pretty solid and you didn’t mess up day 3. Those two things alone mean you’re unlikely to be bad, hence the 10 percent. Honestly my read on you isn’t much more complex than that.
I might have messed it up. I’m bad with pronouns. My writing strategy is choose one and use it. Then later, switch. Doesn’t work so well when there are actual people. Sorry for that.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:49 pm Dunya's a she (and so am I, I think you messed that up earlier). Anyway, she didn't have info on me or if she did it was messed with somehow, and she definitely did not block me on night 2. I don't even know why you interpreted it that way since I remember her saying that she wasn't actually confident enough in her read of me to lynch me. Definitely wasn't as strong as an info claim. And what do you mean she's not the only one?
I think you may be reading far too much into some things.
Based on the way Dunya was presenting his read on you alone I'm sure he had some info on you (and he's not the only one), even without the convenient part where he happened to be someone who can block kills on the night a kill was blocked.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:28 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:29 pm This Nutella read comes to you in two parts. The first part is me just looking for things I don't like in Nutella.
AND I just decided that that doesn't matter. Because you guys can all look through the ISO and see how scummy it is. I don't have more insight into Nutella as a player than most of you and I already pointed out the really scummy posts. The second part is why I'm confident in this read.
Epignosis wrote:
Sheeva
Furious Stomp: Queen Sindel’s Shokan bodyguard blocks her target.
Tell me somebody noticed this.
And there might be more.
@Quin Wut wut?
Epignosis wrote:
Sheeva
Furious Stomp: Queen Sindel’s Shokan bodyguard blocks her target.
Gonna post on Nutella but I want @Made to tell Kyle he's wrong on this (or not I guess).
At this point, very.lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:37 pmHow confident are you with this outcome?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:01 amI’m voting Nutella because Nutella is mafia. Don’t lynch me because I think you need me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 am @TonyStarkPrime
Why are you voting Nutella? Why should we not lynch you?
@Quin @Kylemii
@nutella
@Glorfindel
Is it possible Jimmy is Ermac?
Mostly agree, but I’d put the X / 3P all a step higher.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:43 amOverdeep analysis of this:
Jay claiming 3rd party, at first glance, seems to be geared toward not getting nightkilled. Marmot's claim then, true or false, is geared toward doubt of that claim. First we'll talk about one's motives, then the other.
If Jay is town, this is an interesting 3P-hunting technique as well as a smokescreen so that he doesn't get lynched before he can figure out the scumteam.
If Jay is mafia, this is a huge WIFOM gambit to throw everyone for a loop. Not sure how this fits with being taken off of the poll, but hidden abilities abound.
If Jay is 3P, obviously he wants to up his chances of survival. Can't win if dead.
I don't buy that Jay is town after this. He's not treating the role that way.
Marmot, on the other hand, is throwing doubt on that claim.
If Marmot is town, he's trying to make sure that Jay's claim does him all harm and no good whatsoever. He's also being marmot.
If Marmot is scum, he's... uh. Doing the same thing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this makes a little less sense than the town!marmot motive.
If Marmot is 3P, he's infuriated that JJJ found a way to squeeze past the rules and claim his role, when Marmot would have been the first to do that if he'd known. Legit counterclaim.
Now let's talk about presentation and wording.
We have a lie detector, probably still living. That lie detector can't do much to warn us of things. But if either of these people were paying attention to the lie detector, or wanted their statements to be technically true, then JJJ would be the 3rd party and Marmot would be the liar.
Don't know how much people care about that. Lie detectors in game with claiming, like I'm used to, are scary as hell.
Something to think about.
I don't think Jay is town. Whether he's mafia or 3P depends on how much WIFOM he's prone to as mafia. And, y'know, his role card.
I don't see a good scum motive for marmot, but it's marmot. He could be anything and still do this.
Most likely to least likely pairings of Jay/Marmot, off the top of my head:
3P/Town
Mafia/3P
Mafia/Town
3P/Other 3P?
3P/Mafia
Town/3P
Town/Mafia
Town/Town
linki:Please visit a doctor, Eloh. This can't be normal. I'll be praying for you.
The first one is day 2. Long Con had some posts that day I had a good tone read on and had a solid day 3. That’s a pretty standard development.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:56 pm Tony, walk me through your progression.
How did you come to change your opinion so drastically about so many players?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:43 pm Let’s play the build a scum team game. I’ll go first.
Dunya
Eloh
Wilgy
Nova
Long Con
Someone give me better.
And I would ask Speed about Nova but apparently he’s about to answer.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:10 pm Let’s play The Who’s Mafia game, 2.0 edition.
I’ll start again.
Quin
Nutella
Nova
Eloh
Speedchuck / Simon
I’m still reading into Simon. Not sure how EOD impacts that read.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).
Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
JJJ 60
Quin 35
Eloh 35
Wilgy 30
Dave / Dom 29
Nova 25
Lap 25
Made 20
Speedchuck 15
Long Con 15
Kyle 10
JOH 10
Marmot 10
Glor 1
@linki
Dunya and Simon in lynch contention, Simon saved by a weird third train and too many people voting Dunya.
i have an actual case on Nutella but I’m going to wait until I have time to do it right and why would I say that we shouldn’t lynch Simon today if I knew he wasn’t going to be on the lynch?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:11 amLet me rephrase.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:01 amI’m voting Nutella because Nutella is mafia. Don’t lynch me because I think you need me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 am @TonyStarkPrime
Why are you voting Nutella? Why should we not lynch you?
@Quin @Kylemii
@nutella
@Glorfindel
Is it possible Jimmy is Ermac?
"With your recent suspicious actions like saying we shouldn't lynch Simon and with roughly one mislynch allowed before we lose, what actual reasons do we have to trust you are town and what actual reasons do we have to lynch Nutella?"
I’m voting Nutella because Nutella is mafia. Don’t lynch me because I think you need me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 am @TonyStarkPrime
Why are you voting Nutella? Why should we not lynch you?
@Quin @Kylemii
@nutella
@Glorfindel
Is it possible Jimmy is Ermac?
Town has a tie breaker, and two potential vote blockers, so I don’t think it all that dire. Town has at least two. If mafia fails at night or takes out neutral it is up to three.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am 16 town is down to 11
5 mafia are all here
2 indy probably still here
Mafia has a vote nullify and an extra vote. Kano will vote with them.
11 town votes (assuming Ermac goodish plus one nullified vote)
Vs
7 scum votes
There are additional ways this gets modified, especially by the townies but we should assume the scum can pull one additional vote that isn't obvious from the role list.
We mislynch and it's 9 vs 7. Another mislynch is 7 vs 7 and our aces probably don't beat the mafia aces.
To answer Kylemii's question, I think we get one mislynch. We happen to lynch Reptile, we are in better shape. I assume Simon is Reptile and was taken off the poll by a one shot or Shang Tsung because his night ability is useful.
With this in mind, if we mislynch, we should all use anything we have to kill, block, save or misdirect. Merely blocking or misdirecting Reptile or Shang Tsung may give us an extra day phase.
Basically 3 bad lynches.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:03 ampossibly both
Simon is also off the poll
can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.
I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.
EBWOPTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:18 pm Night three Nutella read:
First paragraph reads really Mafia to me. Saying you would vote Simon is one thing but after the lynch it reads like a lot of self cover, especially considering Nut could talk during day 3. He did imply he would vote Simon / Speedchuck if he could, but this was a lot of defense when it wasn’t required.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 am
I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.
Second paragraph is fine but also makes room for wishywashy-ness on JJJ.
@linki It’s a mystery.... Dun Dun Dah!
First paragraph reads really Mafia to me. Saying you would vote Simon is one thing but after the lynch it reads like a lot of self cover, especially considering Nut could talk during day 2. He did imply he would vote Simon / Speedchuck if he could, but this was a lot of defense when it wasn’t required.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 am
I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.
JJJ and Wilgy voted together on Speedchuck and would be linked, a case for or against one would almost always involve the other. Eloh and Lap are some of my top suspects on the Dunya lynch. You got thrown in there because I think you’re Mafia. I guess you’re your own category.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:58 pmwhat does this mean? where did those groups of names come from and what do they have to do with each other and why do we have to choose between them?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:31 pm If we lynch Simon and he’s mafia we have to choose whether to pursue JJJ/ Wilgy or Nutella / Eloh / Lap and there’s way too much room for error. M
Over Wilgy? Really?
And Jack, yeah I misread your post about Jay. I guess it's more likely that either Simon and Jay are bad together or Simon and Speed are bad together and probably not both. Do you think both Jay and Wilgy are bad for voting for speed?
I’ve leaned off Simon being town, but I don’t think he’s a good lynch tomorrow (he would be a solid vig kill). We got all the information we would get from lynching him today and on the off chance he’s town we have little chance of recovery. If we lynch Simon and he’s mafia we have to choose whether to pursue JJJ/ Wilgy or Nutella / Eloh / Lap and there’s way too much room for error. MJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 pmAnd now that you've had more time to think about it?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 pmJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 amFor me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 amI answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 amYou didn't answer my question.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 amWho’s mafia if Simon is town?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
Tell me more about this.
What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
Why then did you come out of that lynching saying that Simon must be town?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_take
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 amFor me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 amI answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 amYou didn't answer my question.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 amWho’s mafia if Simon is town?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 amTell me more about this.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
Why then did you come out of that lynching saying that Simon must be town?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_take
I answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 amYou didn't answer my question.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 amWho’s mafia if Simon is town?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 amTell me more about this.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
Super WIFOM but I don’t think it’s accurate. Let’s say Lap didn’t switch and Simon got lynched and flips Maf. Who takes more suspicion: Dunya voters or Simon voters?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:35 amI don't quite follow. If the prevailing assumption were that the mafia were bussing Simon, wouldn't that significantly limit any credit they can expect to earn for having done so?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am @JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.
One of very few possibilities where Simon as mafia makes sense to me but I don’t know if I’m quite paranoid to indulge in it yet.
My game just opened.Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:52 amI'm not looking forward to hosting a game on top of this for various reasons.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 am I'm never playing in two games at once again. What a pain in the ass.
(I encourage all Syndicate members to play in every game; I'm just a tired old man)
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 amTell me more about this.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
They didn’t need a fall guy, they had a Dunya lynch.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 pmBullshit.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pmSimon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pmI don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pmDamn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?
I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.
Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
Simon is an easy as can be fall guy if he's town.
He's bad as Leroy Brown.
Simon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pmI don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pmDamn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?
I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.
Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
