The Syndicate

I need to get better before champs

Huh, We coulda gotten it. I’m at three games in a row lost at (what amounts to) F3.

(In the pirates game)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:48 am Hoses mafia that gets unlucky or gives a green check—if jack had his power and doesn’t die, LC functionally has a green check on him.

And if Jack rands scum, it’s a one shot kill if used.
This is the role that I thought you had given me, with one very strange corner case that we saw play out.

All of my final day poll options were stuff like “town gets +.1 votes” or what not, for dealing with exactly that power. Epi didn’t let them through, which I think is reasonable. The role isn’t supposed to be deciding games.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:45 am Oh wow I just realized why you kept saying I should’ve seen flaws in the TK hyena plan, and yeah I probably should’ve

It wasn’t terrible from my POV but it did have more flaws than I realized lol

I think I maybe could’ve convinced Jack to get on you, but Hyena and DDL stayed locked. Not that that’s a bad thing — they didn’t trust me. I should have presented a lynch Nanook if he’s town lynch me sorta thing, but I guess I wasn’t confident enough myself.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:36 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:06 am Good job Nook, carrying the team to victory.

Can't believe my luck though - of all the roles to target...
Yeah that was some brutal luck haha. 1/12 chance lmao

I still wonder: how was LC’s power supposed to work?? Was it really just hosing mafia who get unlucky?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 2:09 am Not really tbh, your plan was very reasonable. It probably should’ve been done at 7 tbh, but doing it at 5 was pretty defensible imo.

I thought you did a good job conveying the competing narratives of “I’m scum and you’re all going to win” and “anyone who doesn’t go with this plan is scum”.

Womp womp womp

None of the game winning variants are on the list. To be expected

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:40 pm Not insignificant chances that DDL has to hit the doctor
I hope you picked a good poll. Kingmaker is basically an autowin unless Nanook has to be lynched twice or something.

A variant is on the list. Epi might decide against anything he deems gamebreaking.

Not insignificant chances that DDL has to hit the doctor

Jack/Nanook?

Everyone who didn’t try to force Nanook to claim is responsible for this

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:23 pmIT'S NANOOK!!!

Okay we’re good

If it’s Nanook/DDL, I’m a little more fine with it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:19 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:18 pm I'm really really really really sorry if I'm losing town the game right here, lol.
ESPECIALLY IF NANOOK IS SCUM.

That’s the concern.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:12 pm @TonyStarkPrime please confirm you sent a night poll in, thanks

“I totally forgot again, oops” will not cut it

I did it

If MP hadn’t flipped as a roleblocker and if not for the way Hyena’s power works, I’d be really concerned right now. As it stands, I’m slightly concerned.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 6:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:45 pm Wait a second....

If what I'm suggesting is true, then Nanook probably isn't mafia because 1.) Jack would be 3p, not him, 2.) Nanook wouldn't be mafia who thought I could be 3p yesterday (and hence avoided lynching me), because he'd already know Jack is 3p.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Tell you what. After we lynch you, if there’s a kill, I’ll at that point make an argument for why I’m town instead of 3P.

It’ll go something like “There is no evidence of a 3P role in this game.”
Okay.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

You don’t have to vote for me

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 10:46 pm Maybe Mac is the last scum.

Vote mac

There are two options for tomorrow.
1) someone is scum and is about to get lynched
2) someone is town and is about to get lynched

Both of these options should present a panic situation. No one about to get lynched at MYLO is going to be having a good time of it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 10:35 pm Tbh I’d probably ask the host if town can resign if it’s somehow DDL

I’m so confused.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 6:56 pm @TonyStarkPrime if you come here after the day ends and say you forgot to send the action, you're gonna be lynched.

It’s funny cause this almost happened.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 6:56 pm @TonyStarkPrime if you come here after the day ends and say you forgot to send the action, you're gonna be lynched.

I think I don’t need to but for fun

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:58 pm It doesn’t even make sense for the poll to be night action during the night it’s being voted on.

Suppose Tony is blocked during the night. The poll was up before the block was submitted.

I don’t know I’m just repeating hyena, who says he’s quoting the mods. Please give me meaningless poll entries. I’m thinking “town get +.1 votes” but my last decimal point voting plan got shut down

If we go to 4 then Speed’s desperado option becomes good

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:55 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:04 pm Hypothetically, what do we do if everyone votes Hyena and the kill goes through anyway?
Kill Nanook, wasn’t this the plan all along?
Yes and no.

If the kill goes though, it means the wolf was unblockable and nobody is confirmed by the Hyena lynch.

If the poll goes through, we still don’t 100% know your poll isn’t a day action.

Let’s talk about these things now, not later.

I’m probably voting Nanook tomorrow regardless.

I thought Hyena said my power would get shut off

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:04 pm Hypothetically, what do we do if everyone votes Hyena and the kill goes through anyway?

Kill Nanook, wasn’t this the plan all along?

Anyone have any good ideas?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:04 pm Or if the kill doesn’t go through but there’s a night poll?

Oh thanks for reminding me to submit a night poll

If Nanook is town, he should not be okay with this plan. So if Nanook is scum, I expect him to be doing a better impression of not being okay with this plan.

I'm still paranoid.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:16 pm Guys, are you sure there's no chance of two mafia being alive right now? I'm getting paranoid about how little fight there is against the plan.

Now who’s paranoid?

I guess you never accused me of being paranoid.

I think gimmicks are fine here.

Maybe scum has an unblockable kill? Something that could help their odds.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 11:01 pm Lol Tony still not voting Hyena.

He played a really good game.

I’m voting for hyena and I was at whenever this was

You’d be right

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:55 pm Also, like, if I were mafia that thought I had zero chance I’d resign. I don’t believe in dragging out mechanically unwinnable games lol

Cause you think you still have a chance?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:45 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:37 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:31 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:28 pm Anyway, I won't waste any more time with you.

Everyone: stay on hyena. Hyena: vote for someone who refuses to vote for you. If Tony refuses to join, lynch him tomorrow. If he joins but we don't see a night gimmick by him, lynch him tomorrow. GG.
Not everyone stay on Hyena Nanook or you should stay off Hyena
Literally why

If everyone votes for Hyena there will be no night kill

If one townie leaves the hyena wagon then scum can do the same, perform a night kill (on me) and tomorrow there will be two unconfirmed players. And we'll be forced to actually figure the game out instead of riding a into a free win.

Jack,me,DDL- Hyena
Nanook-TSP
If you don't die, you're confirmed town because you weren't blocked. If you do, Nanook killed you.
What if mafia decides just not to kill?

Then you wouldn’t have to worry about being dead.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:35 pm I see zero reason for a townie to fight the auto win plan

It's not an autowin plan. It's not foolproof. It can be improved upon. I think you're scum and have kinda given up at this point because you would know it's not an autowin plan if you were town

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:31 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:28 pm Anyway, I won't waste any more time with you.

Everyone: stay on hyena. Hyena: vote for someone who refuses to vote for you. If Tony refuses to join, lynch him tomorrow. If he joins but we don't see a night gimmick by him, lynch him tomorrow. GG.
Not everyone stay on Hyena Nanook or you should stay off Hyena
Literally why

If everyone votes for Hyena there will be no night kill

If one townie leaves the hyena wagon then scum can do the same, perform a night kill (on me) and tomorrow there will be two unconfirmed players. And we'll be forced to actually figure the game out instead of riding a into a free win.

Jack,me,DDL- Hyena
Nanook-TSP
If you don't die, you're confirmed town because you weren't blocked. If you do, Nanook killed you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:23 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:19 pm You're a smart and a capable player. It's plausible that you have a reason for not claiming. But there aren't many good ones.
Ok boomer

I will literally never claim unless I think it’s in my/my teams best interest to, regardless of alignment
so, your team is scum and you're not claiming because that would be pretty obviously bad?
If I were scum I’d almost certainly be claiming something passive lol

decides ties hasn't shown yet, has it?

Also Nanook should claim

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:28 pm Anyway, I won't waste any more time with you.

Everyone: stay on hyena. Hyena: vote for someone who refuses to vote for you. If Tony refuses to join, lynch him tomorrow. If he joins but we don't see a night gimmick by him, lynch him tomorrow. GG.

Not everyone stay on Hyena Nanook or you should stay off Hyena

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:25 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:22 pm The doctor is the number one priority for the mafia to kill.

The moment I claimed, I basically commited suicide.

The doctor should only ever claim if it's lylo or if people are trying to lynch him. Claiming just for the sake of it is stupid if you are a doctor.
if you die tonight -- somehow -- we win, no?
If for some unholy reason two or more players decide to rebel against this hyena plan, our whole cover is gone and we are back to a normal 2v1 lylo tomorrow. Without the doctor.

Which is what you are probably hoping for, right?

It makes the game easier if you're dead. I'd really like to be at 2v1 Lylo tomorrow without the doctor.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:23 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:19 pm You're a smart and a capable player. It's plausible that you have a reason for not claiming. But there aren't many good ones.
Ok boomer

I will literally never claim unless I think it’s in my/my teams best interest to, regardless of alignment

so, your team is scum and you're not claiming because that would be pretty obviously bad?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:22 pm The doctor is the number one priority for the mafia to kill.

The moment I claimed, I basically commited suicide.

The doctor should only ever claim if it's lylo or if people are trying to lynch him. Claiming just for the sake of it is stupid if you are a doctor.

if you die tonight -- somehow -- we win, no?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:31 pm I still think claiming wasn't the best move for me, but I got a feeling Tony might try to use that to convince others to drop the Hyena plan, so that's it.
HOW in TARNATION would it not be the best move for you?!? Give me a scenario where it helps you to not claim. What, scum has a one shot "kill Dr Fauci" power?
Is this your first mafia game?

assume for the sake of argument that it is.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:20 pm @Hyena can you change your vote for Tony? Just in case he is just being dense and the real scum decides to jump on whatever wagon he creates.

we have like 36 hours left.

that how in tarnation seems aggressive

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:31 pm I still think claiming wasn't the best move for me, but I got a feeling Tony might try to use that to convince others to drop the Hyena plan, so that's it.

HOW in TARNATION would it not be the best move for you?!? Give me a scenario where it helps you to not claim. What, scum has a one shot "kill Dr Fauci" power?

You're a smart and a capable player. It's plausible that you have a reason for not claiming. But there aren't many good ones.

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