The Syndicate

well, I sucked it up pretty badly friends. You have my humblest apologies. I was convinced dunya was good.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:00 pm Spacedaisy, why did you vote for me on Day 7?

Total uninformed vote. Alex came in and said there's like a few minutes left to vote. So I did with one minute or so left, and by the time I saw dunya explain you were the tree stump it was too late to fix. I may or may not have yelled at my husband for panicking me into voting with literally a minute left. Though really it's no one's fault but mine for not being here.

dunya, can you please tell me why you eliminated Sloonei from your PoE?

Either that or nova is a baddie in connection with one of those three. But, if that is the case then I'm not as bothered by an absent abddie, first focus would be one of the three on Kyle. I'm going to cross it and see where they voted on Colin and Speed as well.

Ok, I am here and I'm not ISOing, but I'm looking at the votes and I'm willing to bet that the baddies, knowing me to be absent (and juding from the last few pages I read nova was too?) that we could expect them to actually vote together now. I'm looking at the three who voted Kyle.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 3:50 pm I now want to create a mafia game where the roles are all the ridiculous ways of playing mafia.

You play mafia while squatting on the pot at a dinner party.
You play mafia in rush hour traffic.
You play mafia in a sleeping bag in the wilderness.
You play mafia at your own wedding.
etc.

This is gonna happen.

Hey, we didn't play mafia at our wedding, some of our guests did!

lol, I love you guys

Awe, if you look that cute passing out, then please continue.

Dunya what way are you leaning on which of those four are scum?

(Don't pass out from surprise that I actually posted)

I'm not rushng

holy shit jack, I came on TS to find I had 5 notifications from this game alone thanks to you!

When is the day over?

That was an odd kill

What's your overall read on Marmot now dunya?

Fair enough... I guess.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 6:09 pm I honestly can't remember what specifically SpaceDaisy said. I remember someone else posting a similar thing wert a post Spacedaisy made, and I stole their line.

Lol .

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:57 pm Answer the question please. What have you contributed to town?
My ISO of TH isn't current, but check it out. I felt the same way at one point but after reading all his posts (it was pretty fun actually), he's had some hard stances and opinions and isn't as disconnected as it seems at first glance. Here's a link to my thoughts.

Interesting dunya, will have to add TH to the "Should ISO" list. I am trying not to get too caught up in technical analysis though, giving the gut playing a thorough try this go round!

So meme's then and nothing else. Duly noted.

Answer the question please. What have you contributed to town?

Well, you wouldn't likely have pointed me towards scrutinizing Speedchuck if you were on his team. Therefore, I am relatively certain you can be placed in at least light green.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] I wish I felt as convinced of that. I'm wary of players trying to advertise their 3Pness. Could much more easily be a facade to hide behind. What do you feel like your biggest contribution to the town has been this game?

Oh, also I think I woudl move Kyle into the Town column, or at least the town leaning 3P column. I don't see any reason to suspect him. I like that he pointed me at Speedchuck to begin with.

Welp, probably means I'm the next death then... LOL.

Yes, I think Speedchuck's early defense of him reads more like TMI rather than protecting a teammate. He knew Nova would not flip bad.

No rush!

It's more out of curiosity about how you read me more than anything else, LOL

[mention]dunya[/mention] ISO meeeeeee! I'm curious how you'll read me now that I've left stuff to go on.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:08 pm MP should be getting more attention 0_0

I bet it's easy for him to fake dogpee when he wants to

He's not faking. That's civ MP.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 9:31 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 2:10 am I think I'm cooling on Nova. Feel more confident that Speedchuck's early treatment of him was more likely a case of TMI. So now I'm revising my opinion of him from Wrong and bad to just wrong.

I may ISO him tomorrow though to be sure about it. Him and cbob are on my ISO list.

Jack is town. Scotty I thought was the town but the more he argues with Jack the more that feeling slips away. Will look at him too.
Yikes.

But why is jack town? I will have to peruse your iso because I know I’ve asked it and must have missed it since I’ve been asking this question.

Playing by gut my dear, and my gut strongly feels Jack is town.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 9:13 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:27 pm I don't want to lynch Spacedaisy. She's provided some keen insight even if she hasn't posted much.

Buuuut, I don't want more of that keen insight, or my mind will likely change.
in the end of my nova iso now, but I wonder: has Marmot every addressed this? I asked Marmot to identify what "keen insight" he was referring to, and don't remember a reply. so asking again for a friend. please help her out.

I didn't see this. What does that even mean??

I think I'm cooling on Nova. Feel more confident that Speedchuck's early treatment of him was more likely a case of TMI. So now I'm revising my opinion of him from Wrong and bad to just wrong.

I may ISO him tomorrow though to be sure about it. Him and cbob are on my ISO list.

Jack is town. Scotty I thought was the town but the more he argues with Jack the more that feeling slips away. Will look at him too.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:41 pm Hey @Scotty

You’re next, mongrel.

Nah, Scotty is civ.

Yes I mixed up Kyle and Scotty. It is Scotty that said he had a slight town lead on Speedchuck based on his interactions with Colin. I don't see why.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 11:03 am I would gander that if nova is bad, cbob looks bad
If speed is bad, nova looks bad.
Therefore, if speed is bad, cbob looks bad

I kind of agree with this sentiment. Cbob has said a couple things that pinged me, but I haven't had time to give him a proper look yet.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 10:11 am If MP and Daisy are bad together we are so fucking screwed

is what the little voice in the back of my head is saying

If we were bad together we wouldn't be nearly so in sync.

I think I will move my vote to Speedchuck .

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Linki [mention]Kylemii[/mention] : And what Speed just said is why I am concerned about the fact that so many seem to think wolbre is 3P due to his very weird statements.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] What's the best type of cheese?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 6:19 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 5:37 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 5:25 pm Didn't that literally just happen with me.... ?
yeah and i guess it was cool and everything but like.... it seems like a lot of the time now people get lynched now after just like not being around

i miss the whole "hey don't lynch me, heres some reasons why i'm good and also heeres some reasons to lynch this other guy instead" thing, i miss the 90's

how am i supposed to know who's reacting to dying properly without them showing up to reactt

@novaselinenever @speedchuck @Jackofhearts2005

what're u doing
I already defended myself and I'll keep doing it. I don't know why Marmot is voting me up, but Daisy is doing a big OMGUS and playing the victim card. She isn't a low-hanging fruit and she's making my whole accusation against her about meta and since I only played 1 game with her beforehand, I can't possibly think she's bad, so I must be bad.

I am not playing any victim card. And my point was that everything you have said about how this game is like Fiddler is false. I mean blatantly false.

Current possible baddie vibes, in order from most to least:

Speedchuck
Nova
Marmot

civs: Jack, MP, dunya, Scotty

Suspect Kyle may be 3P, not sure what to think there though.

Can't decide if I feel wolbre for 3P or bad. Don't think civ though.

Didn't that literally just happen with me.... ?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 4:41 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 2:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 2:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:00 pm @speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous
Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.
Eyyyyyyy and yet I remember at least 2 people calling that not suspicious and it was basically dropped. I forgot who defended him
Me. Cause he’s my scum buddy. String him up.

What? I saw no such defense unless it came much later.

You think Speed is town Jack?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 4:21 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 4:05 pm Kyle I see literally nothing in Speedchuck's interactions with Colin that I feel are in his defense. He never once gave a case for why he was voting Colin. He never even quoted someone else's case and said, "This looks like a good point." In fact some of his posts look a bit like he could be trying to subtly push off of Colin imo.

Conversation is already going around Colin, and Speedchuck does a case on Epi. Speedchuck was pointing at Epi before this though, and I don't know where that all fell in the Colin stuff.
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:34 pm Epi's posts with content:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:23 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:44 pm I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.
I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine because he dropped this post and then left. The thread wasn't bustling with activity at the time, but there was enough going on that he could have offered a comment or two on something. I want Colin to say things when he has a chance.

I woke up to ~300 new posts and I have some grown up things to take care of before I go to work today. I sense that I'll be playing from behind early in this game.
Sloonei thinks his shield is bigger than Colin's shield.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
This looks good at first glance. But Sloonei has given us stuff to work with already, even popping in this time. His point stands. But don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:52 am wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?
D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine
Epi gets onto wolbre for thinking he might survive the day. He also advises wolbre not to be led so easily, which... wolbre was already commenting on.
Then Epi makes a herculean leap in logic. If Epi's reason for Wolbre being bad is tied to Dunya, why not lynch Dunya instead of the newbie who won't put up a fight?
What ARE Epi's reasons for voting wolbre in the first place?

Don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:40 amIf.

Not really lynch worthy though is it?
I concur.

Epi lays low as scum, sure, but he's useful as town. Game has actually been going for less than 24 hours, finals for schoolteachers are approaching, etc. Epi hasn't been super active this weekend either, and has had company if I remember right.

I'm not going to lay a lazy vote on Epi for activity, and I caution against wasting your time with it today.
If I need an apologist, I'll attain an honest one.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine
Other people have said I was wrong here already. Still waiting for proof to contradict what I've seen and heard. I'm not worried though. I don't think Epi will pursue this. (Although now that I'm being antagonistic, he might.)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:15 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 pm every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.
Citation needed.
I guess this is content? People might be nitpicky about its absence, so I included it. I have no reason to believe Epi will pursue this, and I honestly don't think it's a scumslip. It doesn't make sense as one.

Here, he would vote Sloonei over Colin, but don't worry guys, he still suspects Colin... but what about Quin??
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:03 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:57 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:55 am @MacDougall Do you still want votes piled on ColinisCool?
What do you want?
If he's still doing a thing, I want to help.

If not, and I wanted to consolidate, I'd vote Sloonei. I suspect Sloon more than Colin. (though I do suspect Colin, or I wouldn't be asking)

But what I really want to do is start some entirely new votes since we're only a fourth of the way through the day. I'd probably start with @Quin. My Quindar has not given me the genu-Quin townread yet, and I usually get that as soon as he starts posting.

Than he just votes Colin. No explanation. Prodded by his wife for not voting yet, and he tosses it on Colin.
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:06 pm @speedchuck , I'm surprised you haven't placed a vote yet today. Who do you suspect?
Coliniscool, Sloonei, Quin... and I could probably find some others with an ISO.

I have plenty of time to place my vote, and I've been waiting for Mac to come back so I could pry about his 'plan.' But I'll go ahead and vote for colin anyway.
[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

I don't like the look overall.

Explain to me Kyle what about it gives you a town vibe?
i think you're confusing me with someone else

Ah, yes I kind of meshed up what you said to me and what Scotty said to me.

I'm comfortable with Speedchuck or Nova lynch today. Speedchuckk heavily defended Nova. It could mean he either knew too much and was defending someone he knew was civ or it could possibly be defending a teammate.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 3:41 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 3:16 pm speedchuck, ok. Why do you read him as town? I'm still ISOing, I haven't decided yet.
I think several of the points people are pinning him for seem pretty floppy

I'm fresh to this stuff, which people and what points seem floppy? And what exactly does floppy mean? Like flimsy, don't stand up or hold weight? Or like, flip flopping, they've changed?

Kyle I see literally nothing in Speedchuck's interactions with Colin that I feel are in his defense. He never once gave a case for why he was voting Colin. He never even quoted someone else's case and said, "This looks like a good point." In fact some of his posts look a bit like he could be trying to subtly push off of Colin imo.

Conversation is already going around Colin, and Speedchuck does a case on Epi. Speedchuck was pointing at Epi before this though, and I don't know where that all fell in the Colin stuff.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:34 pm Epi's posts with content:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:23 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:44 pm I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.
I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine because he dropped this post and then left. The thread wasn't bustling with activity at the time, but there was enough going on that he could have offered a comment or two on something. I want Colin to say things when he has a chance.

I woke up to ~300 new posts and I have some grown up things to take care of before I go to work today. I sense that I'll be playing from behind early in this game.
Sloonei thinks his shield is bigger than Colin's shield.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
This looks good at first glance. But Sloonei has given us stuff to work with already, even popping in this time. His point stands. But don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:52 am wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?
D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine
Epi gets onto wolbre for thinking he might survive the day. He also advises wolbre not to be led so easily, which... wolbre was already commenting on.
Then Epi makes a herculean leap in logic. If Epi's reason for Wolbre being bad is tied to Dunya, why not lynch Dunya instead of the newbie who won't put up a fight?
What ARE Epi's reasons for voting wolbre in the first place?

Don't worry, Epi won't pursue this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:40 amIf.

Not really lynch worthy though is it?
I concur.

Epi lays low as scum, sure, but he's useful as town. Game has actually been going for less than 24 hours, finals for schoolteachers are approaching, etc. Epi hasn't been super active this weekend either, and has had company if I remember right.

I'm not going to lay a lazy vote on Epi for activity, and I caution against wasting your time with it today.
If I need an apologist, I'll attain an honest one.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine
Other people have said I was wrong here already. Still waiting for proof to contradict what I've seen and heard. I'm not worried though. I don't think Epi will pursue this. (Although now that I'm being antagonistic, he might.)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:15 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 pm every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.
Citation needed.
I guess this is content? People might be nitpicky about its absence, so I included it. I have no reason to believe Epi will pursue this, and I honestly don't think it's a scumslip. It doesn't make sense as one.

Here, he would vote Sloonei over Colin, but don't worry guys, he still suspects Colin... but what about Quin??

Spoiler: show

Than he just votes Colin. No explanation. Prodded by his wife for not voting yet, and he tosses it on Colin.

Spoiler: show

I don't like the look overall.

Explain to me Kyle what about it gives you a town vibe?

which developments?

speedchuck, ok. Why do you read him as town? I'm still ISOing, I haven't decided yet.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 3:05 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:32 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:25 pm I have speed as a town read, if I don't lynch him that makes me look bad
civs don't worry about looking bad, they worry about finding baddies. U Bad wolbre?
Yes

My point was that bc he was a town read for me, if I vote him it looks like bussing but idc at this point

If you're civ, vote for who you suspect, consequences be damned. Civ's suspicions develop and change naturally. Is he a town read for you now or not? Are you voting him because you suspect him or just because someone is trying to tell you to? Also who is the he we are talking about? I've lost track...

I am still ISOing.

Also, it doesn't look like it was because of anyone defending him, it just dropped.

It is very suspicious.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:00 pm @speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.

Anyone want to guess why I don't like that post?

Also, it is interesting to note that after Speedchuck brought me up in that post, Marmot came out a few posts later with his "case" against me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:47 pm I'm going to pick 7 scum out of our playerlist. Gun to head. One for each scum and one for the 3P potential scums. That's an arbitrary number, I know.

Choutas - SCUM
ColinIsCool - SCUM
Dom - TOWN
dunya - TOWN
Epignosis - SCUM
Golden - TOWN
Jackofhearts2005 - TOWN
Kites - TOWN
Kylemii - SCUM
lapluie - SCUM
Long Con - TOWN
Lunalee - TOWN
M Plus 7 - TOWN
MacDougall - TOWN
Marmot - SCUM
novaselinenever - TOWN
Scotty - TOWN
sig - TOWN
Sloonei - TOWN
Spacedaisy - SCUM
speedchuck - TOWN
Turnip Head - SCUM
wolbre04 - TOWN

This is hard when we have so many low posters and so many high posters and not so many in-betweens.

I don't like this. Continuing ISO...

Because I'm running with my gut this game. No looking back. Nova is bad.

I don't have thoughts on speedchuck yet.

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