The Syndicate

Gotcha. I just wasn't sure what the goal was with the mechanic was why I asked. It threw me for a loop though while I was tin foiling all over the place.

Thanks

I just didn’t fully understand the purpose? Was it to allow someone who might be more active to play for a no show player like myself?

Apologies on this btw guys. I was traveling and I got sick, then when I got here I was swamped with trying to help my sister love for like a week straight. I was all over the place and I didn’t realize it would be this way when I signed up.

I obviously have no right to say what someone else should do when my snap vote lost us the game.

I wouldn't have wanted to be in your position Wilgy, lol. I don't fault you. It's only a hindsight conversation really.

Were you doing it to protect Cape?

Don't know where that was, I haven't looked at everything since the game ended. But thanks. I dunno, it was a weird thing, lol

No, I think your logic was sound there. It probably would have been better used on me.

Oh, what the heck was that sub out thing?

I mean, best thing to do would have been to maybe jail me. I was the one who was least likely to be killed so if that stopped the kill it would have made me look definitively like the wolf and if it didn't, then it would clear me, but there is no way for Wilgy to know he would still be alive to say that.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:59 pm hindsight is 20/20, but i think it'd make the most sense to jail one of me/SD right? Since everyone in the game was clearing Cape, Cape was probably either dying or a wolf. So if you had jailed me or SD and Cape still dies, it's confirmed who the wolf is.

maybe my logic is faulty somewhere, but i feel like targetting Cape prevents a kill for sure, but gives 0 info

He was probably trying to protect Cape

Seriously well played Cape. I hadn't totally ruled you out until that kill block claim. You had me fooled though. gg

Frankly, I was just exhausted from fighting so hard here at the end, and when Wilgy was killed and Cape hadn't just voted me yesterday and ended it, I thought for sure the only possibility was you. So I just wanted to be done. I should have waited it out, I know.

Then once he claimed, there was reason for him to be killed instead of Cape. So it muddied the water for me too much.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:02 pm You don't have to be sorry, it happens, i misread 2 wolves too. I do think there were a lot of solid reasons to read me town, but I thought the same was true for Cape so lol-me

There absolutely were a lot of reasons to read you town. It's why I wavered. I initially thought no kill pointed most to Cape until Wilgy's claim. I fully expected that the best kill for Wilgy or you if you were wolf would have been Cape and if Cape had been alive, I would have known immediately that Cape was the last wolf. So honestly, I think Wilgy's block hurt us more than helped us. but how could he know that?

::sigh:: I hate being in f3 so much. There was no reason not to vote me yesterday Cape, that just feels like torture.

I'm sorry Shen.

So wilgy’s claim confirmed. That means either Cape is wolf or the wolf targeted Cape, which is what I really expected to happen. So yeah. Plus Cape could have moved the vote to me yesterday but they didn't. The only answer here is Shen is the last wolf.

[VOTE: Shen] aubergine

I went to bed at like 5am, so I am too tired to be awake. Good chance poll will be closed by the time I wake up, so this is me signing out and hoping the other civs do the right thing and vote sleep. Later, folks.

If we can choose to sleep I’d think they could choose to holster their kill, but I don’t really know that for sure. It’s the kind of thing that sort of varies from game to game and the host can decide.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:33 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm Look at what I’m saying and doing here (take away you interpretation of “tone”) and look at what Shen is saying and doing. Which of us is acting like a civ in a F4 situation?
To be honest, I really don't know, literally both of you have townpoints and things I would detract from you both. I think Shen has technically more townpoints, but voting you here instead of sleeping is not great to say the least

Shen has more tow points because Shen has not been absent. There is very little I have actually done that is actively wolfy and I think you should consider that instead of comparing our volume of points here.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:31 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:02 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:53 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:52 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:34 am SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.
If I had to choose a wolf here just based off these 2 messages in isolation, it would be Spacedaisy based on what they said in the bolded
To me the bolded kinda reeks of this wolfy looking opportunism
Or what you are seeing there is sincere frustration and knee jerk reaction to a vote that looks extremely bad to this townie. And the fact that the numbers and possible scenario has been laid out and Shen didn’t change their vote to sleep looks just as bad to me. But if you read on, you can clearly see that even though this vote looks like a very anti-town move, I am still looking for info and want to be open to being wrong here. But if I’m frank, Shen has made me really feel like they are wolf.

I think we should see what Wilgy does here and judge from there, because that should tell us something as well.
I agree it's anti-town yes, but that's not what you said, you said then Shen is absolutely the last wolf and that he almost convinced you it was Wigly. To me that second part looks like kinda hedgy

Again that’s your bias reading it that way. That was legitimate shock. I really was believing that maybe it was Wilgy at the end of the last day phase. You can interpret it as heavy but it wasn’t anything but sincerely my process as I’m trying to sort what I believe about people.

*bias confirmation

The problem here is that you can use things like tone for bus confirmation. You already think someone is wolf, so everything they say you read in a certain tone that isn’t there.

Look at what I’m saying and doing here (take away you interpretation of “tone”) and look at what Shen is saying and doing. Which of us is acting like a civ in a F4 situation?

Actually, I said that about Wilgy because that’s my own bias now that I think of it. I really think the last wolf here is Shen. Me saying that was because I believe he will vote sleep and it will be confirmed either me or Shen is wolf going into F3. That will help me because I will know then that Shen is wolf. But if Wilgy votes me, we’re fucked. That tie will yeet me if it stands at EOD it’s game over.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:53 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:52 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:34 am SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.
If I had to choose a wolf here just based off these 2 messages in isolation, it would be Spacedaisy based on what they said in the bolded
To me the bolded kinda reeks of this wolfy looking opportunism

Or what you are seeing there is sincere frustration and knee jerk reaction to a vote that looks extremely bad to this townie. And the fact that the numbers and possible scenario has been laid out and Shen didn’t change their vote to sleep looks just as bad to me. But if you read on, you can clearly see that even though this vote looks like a very anti-town move, I am still looking for info and want to be open to being wrong here. But if I’m frank, Shen has made me really feel like they are wolf.

I think we should see what Wilgy does here and judge from there, because that should tell us something as well.

I’m not guilt tripping you, I’m telling you literally that if you are town then you have to acknowledge you don’t know 100#•% I’m wolf and if there is any chance you are wrong, by voting me now you are essentially giving the game to the mafia. This is not guilt trip it’s logic, dude. It’s math, pure and simple.

I’m telling you that you ARE wrong. If you are civ you need to vote sleep or you’re throwing this away for no good reason.

That was to Shen, freaking mobile typos

When, if I am wrong about you and you are civ I need you to consider the possibility I am civ and think about the repurchase ona here. If I am civ and you are civ, and you both me and I vote sleep, all the remaining mafia member has to do is vote with you and even if the other civ votes sleep with me, we lose because of the whole tie situation. Please consider voting to sleep. In all likelihood I’ll still be here tomorrow if you are civ and still want to vote me because I’m clearly going to be the easiest misyeet.

There were a lot of typos in that, I’m playing by mobile, corrected them in that quote

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:35 pm Look, I am VT. And it’s most likely in your win con to read my tone as bad if I am right about you. And even if I’m wrong about you, which I don’t think I am but I want to see what we can learn from another kill, how you interpret my tone is out of my control. It does not determine if I am sincere or not. I am very sincere here. The reason I came back and have been playing hard is because I don’t want to be the fucking reason the civs lose after having barely been here for most of the game. So I am going to give it my all because if the civs misyeet me, it won’t be because I wasn’t trying everything I could to avert that disaster.

I can’t see any way that a civ would think the best option is to yeet someone in this situation. I haven’t ignored your town shit, do you think wolves don’t ever say towny things? Do you think they don’t ever do towny things? You yourself just pointed out bussing. But I think your shady stuff is really shady. There are two options if it’s not you, either Cape is bad and Wilgy jailed them. Or Wilgy is lying and holstered his kill. This is why we absolutely need the last night of information to be sure we don’t throw this game away.

Look, I am VT. And it’s most likely in your win con to read my tone plays bad if I am right about you. And even if I’m wrong about you, which I don’t think I am but I want to see what we can learn from another kill, how you interpret my tone is out of my control. It does not determine if I am sincere or not. I am very sincere here. The reason I came back and have been playing hard is because wi don’t want to be the fucking reason the civs lose after having barely been here for most of the game. So I am going to give it my all because if the civs mist wet me, it won’t be because I wasn’t trying everything I could to avert that disaster.

I can’t see any way that a civ would think the best option is to yeet someone in this situation. I haven’t ignored your town shut, do you think wolves don’t ever say towny things? Do you think they don’t ever do towny things? You yourself just pointed out bussing. But I think your shady stuff is really shady. There are two options if it’s not you, either Cape is bad and Wilgy nailed them. Or Wilgy is lying and holstered his kill. This is why we absolutely need the last night of information to be sure we don’t throw this game away.

I went ahead and voted sleep because I feel like I’ve seen enough at this point. You all feel free to take your time. I’d rather you be sure and ask me all the questions you’ve got or want and I will answer because if you just drop votes on me, you lose yourself the game. I am the easiest target here because I’ve been absent. Do not take the bait, please. I really, really don’t want to be the reason we lose this game.

Unbelievable. You are absolutely bad here Shen. Sleeping is the right option for a civ.

I don’t think bussing is unheard of. But I am saying, literally the one thing I’ve done was a pretty towny move, and most of the rest of my stuff was just absence. You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

OMG, Wilgy! Happy birthday, sir!

I left a sentence unfinished, it should have said I expect Cape is Town.

The claim can both be true and me be VT. In which case we would be looking at either Shen or Cape, and I would expect Cape. Please guys, this is just crazy to me that I could literally place a vote on mafia Day 1 with two minutes left in the poll and the completely viable option of voting a civ who was the counter wagon and you are still snap deciding I’m the bad guy. Please enlighten me what I did that was so wolfy?

Meanwhile, Shen voted on counter wagons twice, and tried to get people off Marmot. How is it I am the one you all are talking about snap voting for here? It’s just insanity to me. And to whoever is the other remaining civs, I am VT and if you yeet me today the game is over and the wolves win. Our best move is to sleep today, don’t just say fuck it and kill me and lose the game.

Sleep allows us to see if Wilgy’s claim is true or bullshit, and see who might actually get killed. It gives us information and is 100% the right move today.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:06 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:04 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:57 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:42 pm The fact two wolves haven’t just come in and hammered me yet, should tell you that either myself or Shen is wolf. I know it’s not me, so Shen has to be wolf here. I am VT.
I find this interesting since falcon was afk and wolf so this point might be void even though it almost has to be one of you 2 anyways FMPOV

I had seen Seanzie talk about how falcon was lurking though so it also could have been onto something

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:14 pmHe's dead jim
He's viewing the thread. I unvoted when I saw that just in case he was coming in to snipe

3/18

I corrected myself a post or two later, then Shen pointed it out to me as well and I said I had already said that myself.
your only responding to the first line though as I feel like I had brought up a valid point in the second thing anyways

I’m not sure I understand your point, but I wasn’t watching for Falcon to be lurking though I never noticed him in the thread honestly.

I’m going to do some work and just let you do your thing and take what you say as a whole instead.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:57 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:42 pm The fact two wolves haven’t just come in and hammered me yet, should tell you that either myself or Shen is wolf. I know it’s not me, so Shen has to be wolf here. I am VT.
I find this interesting since falcon was afk and wolf so this point might be void even though it almost has to be one of you 2 anyways FMPOV

I had seen Seanzie talk about how falcon was lurking though so it also could have been onto something

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:14 pmHe's dead jim
He's viewing the thread. I unvoted when I saw that just in case he was coming in to snipe

3/18

I corrected myself a post or two later, then Shen pointed it out to me as well and I said I had already said that myself.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:51 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:48 pm How does it not line up? You are looking final totals where Seanzie and Marmot both moved ther voted. I think Seanzie may have moved more than once after my vote even, though I’m not certain.
oh never mind then, yeah a few people kinda just shifted before the end. Not really sure why you made a big point about it though

So in a scenario where there are two wagons, tied. In hindsight you know one of the two was civ and the other was mafia. Someone comes in with two minutes to go before the poll closes and breaks the tie by placing a vote on the mafia member. What impression would you take of that person? I believe marmot was afraid it would make me look too town and that’s why he kept saying I created a tie that I am 98% certain I didn’t. There is a very small chance I’m mistaken, but I really don’t believe that because I remember scrolling down and realizing I tipped it for hk and being glad there was no tie. That’s why I posted in the thread “I created a tie?” Because I saw Marmot and Seanzie panicking and I didn’t understand why or what had happened. That’s why I made it a point, because Marmot kept hitting on it. I probably wouldn’t even have said anything if he hadn’t kept repeating that.

You know what? Nm, it’s not important enough to derail us over. I’ve said all there is to say about it. Marmot tried to use it against me already so I’m not going down that road again.

How does it not line up? You are looking final totals where Seanzie and Marmot both moved ther voted. I think Seanzie may have moved more than once after my vote even, though I’m not certain.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:38 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:54 pm I don’t have a read on almost anyone because I haven’t read up and I probably won’t. Sooo, I will say the little bits I have see. From DH and sabi I feel ok about. So I don’t want to vote them.
Who is DH?

Typo. It was supposed to be dya. My one brief gut read on dya on Day 1 was that they looked good to me in a vague way.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:26 pm I will say in terms of what reactions we got. Shending being obsessed with Cape being the survivor as hinted by #1377 and #1361

BUT I don't think Shending kills Cape last night, so it's just Daisy right?

Lol wut?? The only kill that would make sense from Shen would be Cape, because I town read Cape. If shen were mafia then they’d have to convince me the other person was and there is very little likelihood of it.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:25 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:12 pm Sleep can't be hammered
Sleep (can be hammered)

you are thinking of no vote which cannot

Derp, lol

I read it wrong. My bad.

Sleep can't be hammered, so we have no risk of going to sleep prematurely.

I don't have any clue why there is no kill. I am VT, as previously mentioned. So I've got no ability to protect or heal and no means of protecting myself.

Is sleep our best option here? See if we can get some info from a last NK? Let the mafia narrow down one possible misyeet option?

Is it possible the last wolf didn't submit a kill? I can't see why that would benefit them though. I really truly expected to find it me, Shen and Wilgy at SOD today. I was thinking through the possibilities for different kills, and I just was not at all prepared for no kill and I don't know what to make of it at all. I'm glad, but... if we take out the wrong person now, it's game over. and we have no information from a final kill. Maybe this isn't as good a thing as I thought at first?

What are your thoughts on Wilgy yesterday Shen? Lack of vote or interaction, I mean?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:52 pm I apologize for the delay, I had to deliver a cake and didn't have access to my sheet!

In the night...nobody dies!

Eod is July 31, 1pm edt. Hammer is 3.

OMG, this is fantastic.

I'm about to run a rpg for an hour and I will be back after to catch up on whatever is here since SOD

Alright, the fact Wilgy hasn't tossed a vote down makes me 100% confident now that falcon is going to flip wolf. It means Shen and Wilgy definitely are not both wolves or he would have ended it by now. There is no conceivable scenario where falcon flips town at this point, I don't think, unless I'm wrong about Cape and the last two are Cape/Shen but I don't think that is the case. That's the only scenario in which falcon would flip town now. I'm done being anxious now.

God I’m so anxious about this.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Shen, I need you to please be open minded tomorrow because if you just come in and immediately drop a vote on me you leave it open for Wilgy to hammer me and it will lose the game for us civs. Just don’t rush anything.

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