The Syndicate

Also, tutuu, while your read was part of it, I wasn't just sheeping without any wolf hunting on my own too. I still don't think blind sheeping is always the right choice. But yeah, your read weighed a fair amount in that final vote, so props to you for that read on Wilgy. And to Porscha. I should have trusted my gut going into the last vote, but I let talk muddy my gut reads too much. I talk and get talked in circles and can't sort it out.

You had to have known when Wilgy voted you that he was wolf though.

pyx, what led you to Wilgy over me then? If you had voted wrong there, it would have been game over. What made you feel better about a vote on Wilgy? I don't envy being the first civ to roll the dice and take a shot.

Thank fucking god! I thought I was about to lose the game for town.

Fuck it. I'm going with that assessment and with tutuu's read. Yes tutuu, I am sheeping your read.

If I am wrong I am going to hate myself so much.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Excuse me while my anxiety skyrockets... have I mentioned I hate being in f3?

I suppose if I'm wrong at least I have a perfect record of the worst votes as a civ.

Perfectly imperfect in that case.

Off to wait now I guess.

Well then. You know, as I was reading this I was trying to think through what would a wolf want to do in this situation. Since I know I'm not the wolf, one of the other two are. They would need at least one other person to have voted before they vote. If that person voted wrong, they could just jump on the vote. If that person voted right, they would have to set up the dichotomy that I would be left with because they know I won't vote for myself. That is why I fully intended to hold my vote until I saw what you two did. And then pyxxy voted Wilgy and Wilgy voted pyxxy. Meh.

Wilgy feels town in tone

pyxxy feels wolf in tone

But Wilgy held his vote until after pyxxy voted.

I hate f3.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:39 pm @Spacedaisy hey I'm back now, if you have time today, I'll be checking the thread

I am awake and around. I keep odd hours so I frequently don't even get in thread until late afternoon/evening.

pyxxy feels a bit like a cornered wolf today, but that could be my confirmation bias.

Why on Earth would you snap vote? Please don't! I'm not sure where my vote is going yet. I lean you, yes, but I am be no means confident enough in that to snap vote.

Unfortunately pyxxy, I don’t think I can wait longer to vote. I have to run some errands.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:43 pm If wigly is a wolf ughh his votes are terrible but so are mine but he has been putting in the effort all game not just the last few.

Lol I haven’t placed a single good vote this game, so I feel you there.

But frankly, if everyone prefers Porscha today, it’s the same scenario for you. So I’m ok with either one. I think one of you is likely the last wolf.

I said before I went to sleep that between pyxxy and Porscha O lean pyxxy. If you are town, then I don’t think you need to worry, wolf Porscha likely won’t win unless she can convince town Wilgy to vote me.

If Wilgy is wolf… ugh

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:10 pm I was just looking back and I really see no reflection from Porscha on how she arrived at elimming Wigly. There is simply no progression. It was just a bunch of one liners and tbh I had a hard time following her last few posts bc for me they felt so scattered.

This is why I lean pyxxy actually. I would expect wolf Porscha to be more thoughtful, look more town. So in my mind, either Porscha is a demotivated wolf at this point or Porscha is town.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:06 pm @pyxxy who is the last baddie?

@Porscha who is the last baddie?

@Spacedaisy who is the last baddie?

Having slept on it and forgoing Wilgy now, I say between pyxxy and Porscha, my bet is pyxxy.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:37 am also @Spacedaisy this was the end of your baby duel with Lime:

viewtopic.php?p=1062968#p1062968

That’s why I didn’t remember it. I didn’t think of it as any kind of duel because I was just explaining what I was doing because I was very sure I was going to be mislimmed that day. I wish I had been lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:56 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:48 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:41 pm It feels like you've been shooting from the hip all game, but even now it feels like you are just playing a game that the rest of us aren't a part of. You gunning for me now without any real context, right after Daisy expressed concern on my slot (at least with context mind you), honestly feels abit opportunistic of a pivot.

Why did you vote for Splints while SRing LC?
woah there Wilgy

Porscha made like 3 posts and dipped

you're not the type to get paranoid on defense

anyways

@Porscha, that's it?
Meh, I wouldn't say that I'm paranoid on defense, but maybe I am abit frustrated.

I feel that if we had an assessing Tutuu for afew rounds and didn't need to use a flip on Splints we'd be in a much better spot. Now I'm trying my best to decide between you and Porscha, while at the same time Porscha just says I'm disgenuine in my reads without reason.

Like, am I to assess a T Porscha who actually thinks my reads are lies? If so, how? I've been given nothing after trying really hard to make good reads this game. Or, is this W Porscha capitalizing on Daisy's previously given suspicion on me?

Wolf will have to live through one more mislim still to win. Would Porscha just jump on my suspicion of you with very little effort? I’d think at this point a wolf needs to look more town to survive f3.

But apparently my brain works differently than everyone else. I’m going to disregard my questioning of the tutuu kill because I’m apparently the only one who finds it odd to choose tutuu over roxy.

Anyway, I don’t know.

Look at it like this. Let’s say pyxxy is wolf.

Pyxxy has to decide who to kill, tutuu or roxy. Roxy, neither of us were really suspecting already AND she just cast the final vote on Line Coke.

Tutuu, you and I have both doubted over the last few days, and have not been on the same page with her because we play very differently.

Which one would you kill if you were pyxxy given that information?

I will say this, gut level, if it’s one of Porscha or pyxxy I lean pyxxy.

Twin = town

You and I have both over the last two days had serious doubts about tutuu. If I am town and you are twin, why kill tutuu over the person who cast the hammer vote that you and I both know never buses?

It just doesn’t make sense to me in a world where you and I are both town.

But to be frank, I am really exhausted and my brain isn't motivated to brain right now. So fuck if what makes sense to me makes sense to anyone else or actually does make sense.

I’ve had a bunch of unexpected stuff come up tonight and last night and I can’t lie, I’m just really fucking tired atm.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:11 pm I am at Pyx or Porsch or Daisy.

Been reading iso's of my dead friends and all have said Pyx. Or Daisy. Not so much Porsch.

What holds me back is the LC/Daisy baby duel. It makes me feel like not teamed but if it was distancing it was pretty sloppily put together.

I don’t recall having much interaction with Lime Coke at all. What are you referring to here?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:01 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:08 pm Leaves me with Porscha, Wilgy, and pyxxy. I am leaning voting Wilgy today. I'll go back and quote what I saw yesterday that changed my mind on him.

Also, tutuu being killed over roxy is an interesting choice...
Tutuu thought Pyx/Wigly was poss 3rd wolf so not surprising they were the kill.

And I am uninvolved. So yah that's why they picked Tutuu. Smart in my book.

Not at all. 1. You never bus. 2. Your vote killed Lime Coke. There is no world where I think you can be bad given those two things. Tutuu, if both Wilgy and I are town, while looking town, isn’t as unworkable for a wolf pyxxy or wolf Porscha as you are.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:34 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:20 pm Possibly setting up a follow up mislim if LC goes over.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:40 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:38 pm Also. HATE you trying to order me before Lime Coke in that post.

Why would you hate that? I've iterated why I think LC is town multiple times.

I think the only situation where they aren't is if you are their wolf partner, just on the context of your pivots around the slot.

Why is it suddenly setting up a mislim when I've been stating my suspicions on both Pyxxy and Tutuu for the greater part of two cycles? Tutuu/LC were never teammates, but why would it be 'setting up the mislim' by questioning the very real Pyxxy/LC team?

The blind belief in me with a rather fuzzy explanation why at best. I think I might be getting pocketed to try and manipulate in an f3 situation. I hate being in f3.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:38 pm Meh, maybe that's why I'm still alive though? idk. Doubting the Daisy read too much rn feels like it's the incorrect thing to do.

And this one feels like it misses out alot of the context of my read on you? I'm pretty sure I've been very clear in that I had a general townread on you for most of the game and the interactions with HK very much made me think you weren't W/W there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:33 pm honestly every fiber of my being wants to chop Daisy

I cannot fathom how you are townreading a slot that posted once yesterday

and that post was to sheep your reads

and you did not comment on that AT ALL

like Daisy straight up put you at the core of her town and you didn't question it at all

stuff like
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:47 am Thanks Wilgs, I can confuse myself when my brain gets going, and I somehow missed that bit of your post. I'll think on it.
and
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:55 pm Now that I've finished practicing my JJJ cross examinations. I take nap.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Should be back before EoD. Goodnight <3<3
Well done, Wilgy. Thanks for helping us out with that.
which she hasn't posted towards other people at all

like are you pocketed? what is actually going on
Daisy is not always around to post consistently from what I'm aware.

I tried reassessing afew times, especially when you pointed Daisy out to me last cycle and came to the conclusion that I had come to previously. Without flips, I don't see my opinions on Daisy changing at all. If we are in W Daisy world, yeah I'm super pocketed. I don't think we are in that world though.
This post looks like someone who knows it might look sus that he is still alive if he really is town and not getting a lot of suspicion for being bad in thread.
Was I really not getting a lot of suspicion? I outright miscleared a W and Tutuu was very much pro push Wilgy without discussing with him. Also is it not normal to wonder where the kills are and aren't? If the reason why I was alive was due to a misclear it was in misclearing either you and or lc. If the reason why I was alive was because I was misyeetable it was because of Tutuu.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:39 am My positions from yesterday haven't really shifted much. Splints being T somewhat reaffirms the Roxy read. I don't think both Splints and Kate are wrong on the slot.

I'd say I'm at
Tutuu > Pyxxy > Porscha > LC > Daisy > Roxy

My towncore is being eaten while I'm still here has me questioning why I am alive though. I'll reassess the middle of my PoE at some point later.
I am not willing to vote quickly here because of hammer. For an explanation of why I've been quieter recently. I had not intended to actually leave my vote on splints, I wasn't feeling confident, I'm not accustomed to hammers. Not a big fan, frankly. Anyway, I didn't get back here because I had a class reunion on Saturday. I had read some stuff before the hammer on LC, but I wasn't sure what I thought of it, then you all hammered while I was gone anyway. I wasn't feeling LC, I likely wouldn't have been on that wagon anyway. He would have gotten by me.

I don't like Wilgy's look right now based on how he moved during the last day.

But I could be wrong, maybe he has the right end of the stick with pyxxy/LC.

I keep coming back to the tutuu kill. This last flip confirms Roxy town. No way is she wolf here. Why would you kill tutuu instead?
"I don't like Wilgy's look right now based on how he moved during the last day." is this regarding what you quoted above? Where do you think I would've ended had the hammer not gone out? Alot of my effort last cycle was spent in questioning mostly how I feel on Pyxxy. I don't really know how my thoughts would've developed because hammer happened.

Does the last kill not instantly clear Tutuu as well? Tutuu was consistently on LC for multiple phases.

I’m because if you and I are bad, we have not been either one of us following tutuu and in fact have been doubting tutuu. I’ve outright been considering voting them multiple points.

Roxy literally sealed the hammer. It is hard and fast not her. Tutuu could still be worked with. Which makes me think it’s you, because I know it’s not me.

Possibly setting up a follow up mislim if LC goes over.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:40 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:38 pm Also. HATE you trying to order me before Lime Coke in that post.

Why would you hate that? I've iterated why I think LC is town multiple times.

I think the only situation where they aren't is if you are their wolf partner, just on the context of your pivots around the slot.

The blind belief in me with a rather fuzzy explanation why at best. I think I might be getting pocketed to try and manipulate in an f3 situation. I hate being in f3.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:38 pm Meh, maybe that's why I'm still alive though? idk. Doubting the Daisy read too much rn feels like it's the incorrect thing to do.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:33 pm honestly every fiber of my being wants to chop Daisy

I cannot fathom how you are townreading a slot that posted once yesterday

and that post was to sheep your reads

and you did not comment on that AT ALL

like Daisy straight up put you at the core of her town and you didn't question it at all

stuff like
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:47 am Thanks Wilgs, I can confuse myself when my brain gets going, and I somehow missed that bit of your post. I'll think on it.
and
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:55 pm Now that I've finished practicing my JJJ cross examinations. I take nap.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Should be back before EoD. Goodnight <3<3
Well done, Wilgy. Thanks for helping us out with that.
which she hasn't posted towards other people at all

like are you pocketed? what is actually going on
Daisy is not always around to post consistently from what I'm aware.

I tried reassessing afew times, especially when you pointed Daisy out to me last cycle and came to the conclusion that I had come to previously. Without flips, I don't see my opinions on Daisy changing at all. If we are in W Daisy world, yeah I'm super pocketed. I don't think we are in that world though.

This post looks like someone who knows it might look sus that he is still alive if he really is town and not getting a lot of suspicion for being bad in thread.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:39 am My positions from yesterday haven't really shifted much. Splints being T somewhat reaffirms the Roxy read. I don't think both Splints and Kate are wrong on the slot.

I'd say I'm at
Tutuu > Pyxxy > Porscha > LC > Daisy > Roxy

My towncore is being eaten while I'm still here has me questioning why I am alive though. I'll reassess the middle of my PoE at some point later.

I am not willing to vote quickly here because of hammer. For an explanation of why I've been quieter recently. I had not intended to actually leave my vote on splints, I wasn't feeling confident, I'm not accustomed to hammers. Not a big fan, frankly. Anyway, I didn't get back here because I had a class reunion on Saturday. I had read some stuff before the hammer on LC, but I wasn't sure what I thought of it, then you all hammered while I was gone anyway. I wasn't feeling LC, I likely wouldn't have been on that wagon anyway. He would have gotten by me.

I don't like Wilgy's look right now based on how he moved during the last day.

But I could be wrong, maybe he has the right end of the stick with pyxxy/LC.

I keep coming back to the tutuu kill. This last flip confirms Roxy town. No way is she wolf here. Why would you kill tutuu instead?

Leaves me with Porscha, Wilgy, and pyxxy. I am leaning voting Wilgy today. I'll go back and quote what I saw yesterday that changed my mind on him.

Also, tutuu being killed over roxy is an interesting choice...

Roxy cleared, placed the final vote on LC.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:19 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:17 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:41 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:28 pm @pyxxy do you still scumread urself? do you logically think ur hk's most likely partner?
what in the unholy tomfoolery is this interaction even?
Yesterday pyxxy analyzed hk's iso and came to the conclusion that from among {pyxxy, wilgy, lime coke} (kates poe) - he came to the conclusion pyxxy is the most likely scum and argumented himself
I'm aware, but what is even the point of discussing this with pyxxy as if it has merit?

From pyxxy's perspective W or T, the arguments are moot. For your own solving you'd see this as moot as well, so what is the point?

Tutuu has, from my perspective, done precious little actual solving and lots of trying to push people to simply sheep Kate and Seanzie.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:57 am This is where I'm at:
Splints > Tutuu > Pyxxy > Porscha > Roxy > LC > Daisy > Falcon

Someone tell me why I'm incorrect.

I like this read, except I obviously would take myself out of it. This is how it looks for for me:

Splints > Tutuu > Pyxxy/Porscha/Roxy > LC > falcon > DrWilgy

I’m not sure where I would place the three in the middle. They would all be in those three positions but I’m not sure where. I have felt Porscha was town, but I’ve seen Porscha be really town looking wolf before, so I know she has that ability. I don’t feel like Lime Coke, Falcon, or Wilgy are bad, and I think Wilgy is my most confident town read. I actually suspect tutuu more than splints, but I think splints probably needs sorted at this point. There is likely one wolf between Roxy/Splints imo. Splints has given us less so I’m more willing to look there at this point. Though I think I’d maybe put Roxy after Tutuu in the list based on her treatment of Kate. I don’t know.

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

I’m voting [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Seeing Wilgy lay it out was more convincing for me than it was for him. But then I thought from the start of this day that it was super fucking weird that tutuu went to voting me after locking me town all Day 1. Looking at tutuu’s treatment of HK, and vice versa (which Wilgy treats like pocketing, but looking at both sides, I am not sure I believe that personally) I’m comfortable with a vote there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:55 pm Now that I've finished practicing my JJJ cross examinations. I take nap.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Should be back before EoD. Goodnight <3<3

Well done, Wilgy. Thanks for helping us out with that.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:10 pm that said I do think Lime Coke is town

Why are you happy with him as a wagon if you believe he’s town?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:42 pm Wilgy doesnt seem happy about hkatt dying. Hes mafia

What?

Look, everyone else wants to go back to sheeting Seanzie’s reads, which I get the desire to do before we had the hk flip. But now we have actual information on a wolf. Why would you just want to sheep Seanzie’s reads instead of doing what Wilgy is now doing, interaction reads? Use all the info on hand instead of just one thing, which is coming from a civ with no insider info.

Wilgy looks really town to me right now.

I thought the vote ended today. Thankfully it doesn’t end until tomorrow. I’m going out with my mom, I’ll do full reads of all when I get back.

I went and red what happened before the mod announcement and I am surprised that both splints and I immediately sensed a civ tone in Kate, but roxy doesn’t? I think splints is town because she made the flip on Kate before this reveal of hk’s alignment. I doubt I would have caught hk personally. I just don’t know them.

I’m struggling now with Roxy having not seen civ Kate. Kate still believes her civ though. @Kate can you give me clarity why you read Rox as town?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:16 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:00 am Wait, I confused myself because we were taking about two different people in my catch-up. I felt like you, Porscha, not wanting to go along with sheeping Seanzie’s reads looked like you weren’t interested in just doing the easy thing. Of course I don’t recall right now where you fell in Seanzie’s reads so maybe that was defensive and I just didn’t realize it. I dunno, my brain is at half power today.

Disregard my mention of Kate. I was confusing myself answering things.
May I point you to the reads list sean left in the original post of the line of conversation we were just having to help you remember where I was?

Which confirms what I thought I was remembering. So yeah.

Also, I checked out Caitlin and have realized I don’t feel as inspired on Day 2 by them. I’m dropping a vote there for the moment.

[VOTE: Caitlin] aubergine

Wait, I confused myself because we were taking about two different people in my catch-up. I felt like you, Porscha, not wanting to go along with sheeping Seanzie’s reads looked like you weren’t interested in just doing the easy thing. Of course I don’t recall right now where you fell in Seanzie’s reads so maybe that was defensive and I just didn’t realize it. I dunno, my brain is at half power today.

Disregard my mention of Kate. I was confusing myself answering things.

Sorry it took me so long to get here today. I’ve had a bit of a shit day. I’ll be around a bit tonight and back tomorrow.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:34 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:20 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:40 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:55 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:20 pm pyxxy
tutuu
Caitlin

Porscha
Roxy
falcon45ca

Kate
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DrWilgy

Belzy

hollowkatt
Spacedaisy

fingersplints

baker

Fingersplits was someone I had a hard time sorting GTH so I looked at their ISO. The majority of their posts are NAI posts about Kate being a LHF while never actually taking a stance on Kate. Their push on Pyxxy I think is picking at something that is that level -1 type of scummy that comes from town as often (maybe more often) than scum, and their post about me is starkly contrasted with my own self-perception right now. I actually had them slightly higher when I started writing this, but I moved them down halfway through this paragraph.

Belzy is focusing almost exclusively on me, and I don't like that. I'm not sure if they're slightly below null entirely because of OMGUS, but I definitely want to see them actually... do things that aren't just parrot their read of me over and over again.

Porscha I didn't feel the best about putting them there. I usually find them relatively quickly, and honestly while I think they are closer to town than wolf here, I don't feel confident about that, and that worries me.
we should be sheeping
You know damn well sean was killed cuz he was universally tr and his reads dont matter
Porscha town
Because Porscha said Sean's reads don't matter? Really?
Because porscha wasn’t interested in just taking the easy road.
Do you mind explaining what the easy road is here?

Just wanting to vote Seanzie’s reads here is the topic we were discussing. I don’t know how relevant it is as I’ve seen a couple things in my catch up from Kate that have started to change my opinion, which is unfortunate because I thought I knew where I would be voting and now I am left at odds again.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:08 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 am [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

gn
~16 hours and no one else has really gone for Belzy

this is maybe a very small and barely useful thing to say, but: I don't think Sean was killed in order to frame Belzy for being very publicly pushing and scumreading Sean yesterday

I was sort of hoping that would happen / the thread would engage on Belzy and that's how I could figure out my read

there's just something about they're D2 entrance that I don't like. it feels very "pre-decided". like:
- scum figured I would be cleared by the rand, but someone knows I'm bad at solving as town, so better to kill elsewhere
- okay so scum has to townread me now
- Belzy's actual explanation for townreading me is.....that I successfully managed to tinfoil them about tutuu pocketing them
- but then it's right back to voting for Kate and also pushing HK
- no questioning of tutuu, which is why I flipped to bothering tutuu about Belzy, which went.....ok

@tutuu @Kate any flaws in my logic for what I think is possibly sus behavior here from Belzy?

if we wanted a comparison, I think Spacedaisy has done a decently towny thing (not the AtE about potentially mischopping, mind you) with ending on a "welp, my worldview is kinda broke now, but I'm going to think on things instead of just being stubborn and trying to flip one of my D1 scumreads without more analysis first"

otoh
- they had a bad day. I'm not being sarcastic. I could see that explaining today. I give anyone I play with a 1-time AtE pass. I believe you until you AtE, after that I will never believe you again. so. They had a bad day I hope tomorrow is better

I don’t know what you are talking about. I didn’t AtE at all, that would require me being emotional. I wasn’t the least emotional. I was being very rational. I had a shit vote that made me look bad and the kill suspected me. I expected to be mislimmed and I wanted to use that to help me sort what I feel about players in order to leave a decent legacy and generate some content for the rest of town to use for solving.

I’m sorry you felt it was AtE but you read that into it. It wasn’t my intent at all nor was I in the least emotional about the possibility of being mislimmed.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:43 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:38 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:36 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pm well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt
Omg really??
people dont allow themselves to go that far as mafia. as town yeah, not as mafia. not that far
Let's bet on it. A friendly bet. This is in no way snark or mean and ily.

This is the first town feeling I’ve got off her posts though. This gives me pause.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pm well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

I don’t know HK well enough to know what this exchange says about them, but I don’t think this is AI of Kate. This is her reacting to the way someone was speaking to her, and I think you’d get that no matter her alignment.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:41 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:33 am ugh, I was looking at the final votes.

Nook: Belzy, Caitlin, Porscha, Spacedaisy
pyxxy: tutuu, Wilgy, Lime Coke, splints
HK: Seanzie, nook
Tutuu: pyxxy
Kate: Roxy
Baker/Lime Coke: falcon

Ok, if wolf, pyxxy could have self pres voted, but they didn't. I really think it's likely this was v/v.

HK was voted by two known civs, this doesn't tell us anything about HK's alignment.

If that's true, then neither wagon can be exclusively focused upon. I would be willing to bet, in fact, that there is two wolves at most on either of these wagons. I am heavily leaning Kate wolf right now as a missing vote. I doubt it was intentional, I don't question that something was happening in real life, but I didn't care for her first entrance and I cared even less for her entrance today.

Ok, so where does that leave me?

I'm leaning town on:
Lime Coke, Caitlin, Roxy (this one is weak, I'd still like to hear more from her), pyxxy.

Uncertain on:
Splints, Wilgy, HK, falcon, tutuu, Porscha

I'm leaning wolf on:
Kate

I'm going to look at that uncertain group in ISOs. I should be honest here though, I'm not convinced of anything, which is why they are all "lean" instead of just a read. I make no promises I won't change my mind along the way lol.
Sound reasoning means she made an argument that was thought out, not that I agree with it.
Also, when have you known me to hide as a baddie?

I don’t think you are hiding. I think the reasoning that you bought was too easy and far from the kind of play any old school player would make. Would you kill the person giving you the hardest wolf read? Would SVS? Would Roxy? Not a chance. My being bad here makes no sense, particularly to those who came up like the old schoolers. I can buy people who haven’t played with me for over a decade thinking maybe I did, but not you.

I think you are a wolf who hasn’t had time to engage and took some easy shots that I can’t buy you normally would as a civ.

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:40 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:55 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:24 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:20 pm pyxxy
tutuu
Caitlin

Porscha
Roxy
falcon45ca

Kate
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DrWilgy

Belzy

hollowkatt
Spacedaisy

fingersplints

baker

Fingersplits was someone I had a hard time sorting GTH so I looked at their ISO. The majority of their posts are NAI posts about Kate being a LHF while never actually taking a stance on Kate. Their push on Pyxxy I think is picking at something that is that level -1 type of scummy that comes from town as often (maybe more often) than scum, and their post about me is starkly contrasted with my own self-perception right now. I actually had them slightly higher when I started writing this, but I moved them down halfway through this paragraph.

Belzy is focusing almost exclusively on me, and I don't like that. I'm not sure if they're slightly below null entirely because of OMGUS, but I definitely want to see them actually... do things that aren't just parrot their read of me over and over again.

Porscha I didn't feel the best about putting them there. I usually find them relatively quickly, and honestly while I think they are closer to town than wolf here, I don't feel confident about that, and that worries me.
we should be sheeping
You know damn well sean was killed cuz he was universally tr and his reads dont matter
Porscha town
Because Porscha said Sean's reads don't matter? Really?

Because porscha wasn’t interested in just taking the easy road.

I think I need to take a step back and think without talking for a bit. I'm talking myself in circles. I'll come back tomorrow.

Thanks Wilgs, I can confuse myself when my brain gets going, and I somehow missed that bit of your post. I'll think on it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:43 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:40 am Its the fact he's playing more serious than not that makes me pause on him. But I haven't played with him for a while. His reasoning is perfectly sound, generally. Though maybe he TMI'd by just treating it like v/v without conversation? I can see it either way with Wilgy.
Oh, Daisy, I'm hurt. I'm always serious

You know I love you Wilgy. I am undecided on you, neither good or bad at the moment. I can see potential reason to think either one.

But you haven't licked anyone yet. How can I not find that suspicious?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:41 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:35 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:26 am ok ill concede that theres a possibility that sean didnt catch all the wolves but i wont stop respecting his pyx top townread im dying on that hill
Given that pyx didn't vote to self pres, I'm going to say this is probably correct.
Again, why is the emphasis on self pres here? I agree with the V/V argument but how you are getting here is odd. Again, Pyxxy wasn't at risk until I voted for them at like 10 min prior to EoD. Is it not more likely that Pyxxy was just not around?

Because pyxxy said when they voted that they were voting tutuu and they wouldn't move it, not even for self pres and never did. But fair point. Why are you so convinced pyxxy is town?

It could be that a wolf is playing really town and has me hoodwinked though.

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