The Syndicate

Also, I can't believe people couldn't see through the way MP was acting about me. I knew he was trying too hard to make me look like his narrator. And I would have been a most illogical choice for a narrator... I blame him for being killed.

SvS, here is my previously promised apology. I misread your actions this game and was wrong about your alignment, you have my most sincere and deepest apology. that said, I cannot promise it will never happen again...

I'm voting who is dead and I am securely looking at mongoose or DH now for my next vote. I think it is obvious now why DH was so illogically arguing with me regarding my trust of Boom. He is finding himself cornered it seems to me.

All things considered I am most comfortable with a mongoose vote right now. Given that I'm really kind of overwhelmingly busy these past couple days and not anticipating it slowing down soon... I went ahead and voted.

No my message was nothing like that. It was a knock knock joke. And it didn't seem to mean anything.

I suspect Juliets still but I get flip floppy feelings about her. Some of her behavior seems really bad, then some of her behavior doesn't. I kind of want to step back from her a bit so I doubt I will vote her today.

Blooper is mainly that I have no read one way or another and it is very late in the game, so going by who I trust she is a big question mark. If I am right about DH being Indy (which his behavior reads Indy to me) then his push for her doesn't tell me anything.

Zeek and mongoose both just seem opportunistic to me. Baddies looking for the safe bet, you know? Mongoose seems squirrely to me too. It's difficult to explain.

I am not angry in a RL way. Frustrated yes, angry no. And it wasn't even you frustrating me. I'm head to know I am not the one you are talking about because I really didn't understand it at all. And I don't regret what I said because to me that means someone else was trolling and I'm glad they read that I don't care and I'm not wasting my time.

I personally am most looking at Mongoose, Juliets, Zeek or blooper. I am actually about evenly ok with any of these people. It is based entirely on gut read from their behavior. I was leaning most toward mongoose, but then zeek jumped on a vote for her, that makes me nervouse since I suspect him as well.

S~V~S wrote:I have an idea who, the player to be precise. Perhaps I had something that I wanted to send to someone I trusted, and it got redirected to... someone else. I have been waiting to see what this person might do. This was unexpected.

But I want to know what was said before I decide if this person is up to no good or not.

I got a weird ass message the night you commented about something being redirected. I assumed this might be what you are referring to since you have been all about lynching me forever and a day. But personally I just disregarded it because it made zero sense to me. I figure it was either your redirected shit and I just don't get it because the person who was supposed to get it would understand or it is someone just trolling because I don't see any point to it. So if you are talking about me and whatever the heck that message was about, you are barking up the wrong tree, yet again. I have not been sending anyone any messages nor have I been doing anything nefarious at all. And I don't give a shit about the message because it looks like a waste of my time.

DharmaHelper wrote:Or he's saying he thinks you're civ in order to cover his ass once the lynch train gets going, in case you actually do flip civ.

This doesn't make sense. He said both me and LC, that he KNOWS we are civ. If he were a baddie covering his ass he would not use that kind off certainty in his terms. Because he can't KNOW I am civ. You can't honestly tell me you think the baddies have both a living and a dead role check? Epi does a better job of balancing his games than that. And thinking I am civ would not cover his ass since there are two baddie teams. There is no logic in what you are saying DH. You accused LC of interpreting things to fit his theory and you are doing the exact same thing now with me. And what you are saying doesn't even make any logical sense.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
timmer wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I trust boom and LC.
Sorry if you've touched on this previously, I'll try to find it, but why do you trust Boom?
Because he clearly said he knows I'm civ. I know he is telling the truth, there is no baddie way to know I am civ for certain. Only civ. And I therefore trust he is telling the truth about LC as well.

@juliets because of the way you came after me the other day. I've already explained that. And up to that time I had the same feeling about you as timmer, so yeah...

@all, what are others feeling about Juliets? Am I missing something about her I shouldn't be overlooking?
Well that's just outright ridiculous. There are baddie/indie secrets, and he could just be lying. Saying he "knows" you are civ means nothing. Using that as the basis to trust him is completely ridiculous at this stage in the game.

I am the easiest baddie target for a lynch train out there. It makes no sense that he would say I am civ and he knows it unless he is civ and trying to keep us from making a mistake. What would he gain from it? My trust? That won't carry water with anyone else inthe game since everyone and their brother is questioning me and considering voting me. The logic doesn't support him being bad. The logic does support him being civ.

timmer wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I trust boom and LC.
Sorry if you've touched on this previously, I'll try to find it, but why do you trust Boom?

Because he clearly said he knows I'm civ. I know he is telling the truth, there is no baddie way to know I am civ for certain. Only civ. And I therefore trust he is telling the truth about LC as well.

@juliets because of the way you came after me the other day. I've already explained that. And up to that time I had the same feeling about you as timmer, so yeah...

@all, what are others feeling about Juliets? Am I missing something about her I shouldn't be overlooking?

One that he obviously is not now that someone else seems to have hinted. Also, I didn't think he was hinting I thought his questions indicated a mind set that I believed made him look like he was face of Boe. Why do you ask me this?

I trust boom and LC. I know MP's role obviously. I don't trust him per se, but he seems mostly harmless, aside from the fact he seems to be TRYING to make me look like his freaking narrator. I just can't believe you all can't see through it. I trust Bea and SVS (despite the fact she is absolutely tunnel vision wrong about me). I believe DH is likely the hatter and I have no really desire to go down that trail if it is not needed. Pretty much anyone else is possibly bad to me. Oh, except Elo, if Bea vouches for her I buy it.

EBWOP, I forgot about Zeek. He would be in that list as well.

DharmaHelper wrote:Mathmatically, given the number of mafia and the amount of trust I have for players, there has to be at least one mafia within the pool of inactives (Lizzy, LoRab, Rey, Sabie) So in order of the cases I would MOST like to see pursued:

1. Blooper
2. Boomslang
3. Spacedaisy
4. Inactives

SVS THIS was my point. You are all basing your suspicion of me on numbers of people revolving around who you trust implicitly. But I know I am civ and I WILL flip civ. So if your numbers are showing I am bad, then your numbers are wrong probably because you are trusting someone you should t be.

Also, I did not just say you Bea and low posters. I let go of you and Bea because I finally put pieces together. Stop taking the stuff you want and leaving the truth behind. I have found Juliets most suspect lately, but the truth is all my freaking time is spent defending myself around here so I can't place who I most think is bad.

I have it down in my mind to Juliets, blooper, mongoose or any of the non participators.

Also, I didn't freak out over the missed kill, and I had ONE post where I said you all need to get over this stupid fear of voting non participators. One. I did not push a case for any of the low posters.

S~V~S wrote:The motivation would be to be able to come in here and say just what you are saying.

Plus she is implying she is an info role. I just don't believe that.

I gotta go eat my pizza, get thee behind me Mafia.

SVS, I do not have an info role. I have not tried to imply I have an info role. I know the effect my role has on others and that is what I extrapolate from. It is not an info role. Stop trying to lynch me based on something I never said, never intended and in fact explicitly told you I wasn't doing.

SVS, I am definitely not claiming an info role, that was not a role claim at all actually. Just people are vouching for each other all over the place and now it's getting to where people are narrowing it down based on those connections, but I am definitely not bad so it stands to reason someone or multiple people have successfully pulled the wool over others eyes, which wouldn't be hard considering the baddies have a dead role check basically so this makes it easy for them to know what role would be safe to claim. That was what I was saying.

DH, I can see how made flipping suit looks bad for me, but it does not make me bad. I'm not. And I did not vote made because I did not think he was lying about the message he received and it turned out I was right, remember? Made was bad, yes, but he was not lying about that message.

I like fedoras.

I also like lynching baddies, good job to those that led this last one on made.

LC, I don't really know for sure, but I find Timmer trustworthy IMO too.

Elo, I did post a summary. I find it suspicion that she came in here and instead of pulling the original quote in which I said "I have got a read on Juliets but I can see why her sudden inactivity looks bad especially considering what appears to be a missed PM," she pulled the post a few posts later where I said "it should have read I HAVENT got a read on juliets," and then used that to question me and cast suspicion on me about why I voted for her saying she was the best I had to go on. She said something to the effect of, "the best you have to go on is no read at all???" It was super shady business if you ask me. What I was going on was the missed PM coupled with her inactivity, not no read at all. That was just my edit.

DH I am not civ guilting. I fully expect to be lynched today and I am perfectly ok with it. This is not me throwing a tantrum or being pouty or anything of the sort. I just think the civs need to get some solid information and if they need to lynch me to get there then go for it. The baddies are keeping me around right now because I'm a distraction to be frank.

JC, if the votes go another way that's fine too, I'm just not going to be upset over being lynched, this game has been too fraught with emotions already for me and my taste. I'm tired of fighting with everyone. I'm still playing right now though. But I doubt I will make it to the end anyway unless we have some amazing luck finding baddies, I just think eventually I am going to get lynched because there has been too much talk of lynching me, too much suspicion over me. I've accepted this, lol.

Linki @LC: awe, thanks LC! But I am not trying to make anyone feel bad for me. I wouldn't have said it unless I felt that it might be in the civs best interest to just let go and let them get it over with.

Linki @Boom: good to know someone other than MP trusts me, lol. I won't be voting for you now for sure.

Linki @Juliets: your last posts make me feel bad for suspecting you, lol. Thanks for being encouraging.

DH you said the following,

"Look, I get it, SD is your fiance and probably your narrator. Anybody who looks at your panicked posts today can probably come to the same conclusion that you don't want her lynched, but the facts are stacked against that.

"

Two things here. First off, He would get me lynched in a heartbeat if he thought I was bad. We both would. I've got him lynched Day 1 recently and he has gotten me lynched early on too. Our personal relationship does not weigh on it except that we know each other better so we can read each other fairly well. Secondly, if he is not doing me any favors maybe you should consider the fact he is not trying to do me any favors. I've said it before and I will say it again, I would be SHOCKED if MP made me his narrator. It would be a poor choice on his part if he did.

At some point inactive players are going to have to start getting lynched. They are not actively voting so they are only helping the baddies anyway, lynching them will not hurt you anymore than you already are. Stop being afraid of lynching inactive players, and stop making it out like people who suggest it are bad.

Timmer the case against me is weaker than it appears, based on three things.

1. My vote for llama instead of made on Day 2. If we knew that made was bad then it would be a different story but we don't. And I did not think made was lying which was the case against him. And it turned out I was right. So yeah... Civs vote civs all the time. It doesn't make me bad, just wrong in this case.

2. My NOT voting for DF. I have a blind spot with DF. My read of him is spotty at best. I realize this action makes me look like his teammate, but trust me if I had been his teammate, you would not be suspecting me of it based on that right now.

3. My going after Dom. It is a bit skewed. I was not trying to save bass, I wanted them both lynched. I believed both would flip bad from the get go. The odds were simply in favor of that scenario. But I only have one vote and two options. I was going to look like I was saving someone no matter which way I went, because they were both bad. Which I said I believed right off. And the only reason I looked like I was so rabidly going after Dom is because he was there and he was engaging me in conversation. Bass did not engage me about what I had to say about him. And the more Dom talked the more he looked bad to me.

So yeah, you can read into it what you want, but when I flip the truth about all these situations is posted right here.

I'm not bad. I am civ. I wasn't a baddie protecting a teammate I was a spot on civ going after a couple baddies. So you all can buy me a beer or something later.

I have not read Elo as bad at all so I'm not sure what you are asking me about there. My point is just that there is at least one or two active players that I am certain are baddies who have people convinced of the civ alignment. I don't know for sure what two. I think I have finally figured out why people are trusting you and it fits for what I knew already. So I am willing to believe it, I don't know who is skating by but someone active in this thread is bad bad bad and it is not me. If lynching me is the only way to get people over me so they can focus on that, then by all means let's do it.

I was just going to go to bed but Juliets post about me is really NOT sitting well with me. She pulled an edit out of a post and built an out of context case on me with it. That is shady business right there in my opinion. Watch her. My trust of DH is based upon my thinking of Russ. If Russ is not who I think he is there is no reason to trust DH. Watch him as well, because his behavior this game has seemed bad all around, but Russ seemed to trust him so I ignored that recently. But it is not something set in stone, I could be wrong about either one.

I don't know about Boom, I have only read frustration from him, but he has not been active enough to pick up anything else, so he could be a frustrated baddie or civ. I wouldn't give him a pass forever I guess.

I don't know what else to say.

Juliets all you pulled was my edit. I originally said I have got a read on Juliet's but I can see how her sudden inactivity looks bad for her considering what appears to be a missed PM. The post you pulled was my edit saying it should have said haven't got a read on Juliets. So my vote was not a sudden flip in opinion at all.

I didn't understand the rest of what you said and frankly I don't care to sort it out because I just want lynched at this point.

This is all I have to say. Someone is being trusted that should not be trusted. I guarantee this. All the people vouching for each other better stop and really consider what my lynch reveal means. I am not upset, I am not doing this to throw a tantrum I am doing this because I honestly think a little solid information is what the civs need right now and until I am out of the game and my role is revealed, it is only going to obscure truth. All I ask is you realize someone is pulling the wool over people's eyes because there is certainly an active baddie in this bunch given the stuff that is happening.

Look just vote for me. Then maybe you will see.

I'm voting Juliets because it's the best I have to go on. Good luck civs.

When you see who I flip, consider what I've said.

I also received something last night but I don't understand the point of it. Whatever...

Also, That was a typo, it should say I haven't got a read on Juliets...

SVS, I already told you all my suspects and I am feeling about you the same way you are feeling about me to be frank, I'm really not feeling you as bad as I was before.the person I most suspect you keep vouching for. I have reason to suspect Bea but it's not iron clad, so let me ask you this, how much room for error do you feel like you have about Bea being good?

Other than Bea I don't have a solid lead because a couple day periods ago threw my suspicions upside down. I am however, fully behind lynching someone inactive at some point. I am looking at Sabie personally. She is participating in film director but hasn't done anything here. If I was going to lynch a no participator I would start there or maybe Lorab.

Linki: I've got read on Juliets but I can see why what appears to be a missed PM looks bad for her.

Timmer and SVS you both need to rethink things because I am not bad. And I believe if you are narrowing it down you are trusting someone you should t be. I highly recommend you consider other possibilities.

Also I need to express my apologies for not being as present. I already mentioned this but it has been entirely because of starting my new job and being under the weather at the same time.

I have not had a strong read on Snow Dog either way, but my leading suspicions have been shaken recently so I am willing to vote Snow Dog and see what it shakes out.

I am really fucking pissed right now so I am voting and leaving.

Voting LC I guess.

SVS, you did not answer my question but you expect to get to question me.

I am not trying to draw targets, I was personallytryingto stop what appears to be a pynch train gone wrong. You want to lynch me, fine, but you need to get out of your tunnel vision about me cause you are so fucking wrong it is not even funny.

But I am leaning thinking it is Bea who is bad, not you. I just believe it likely is one of you two.

S~V~S wrote:I am not voldemort, and I am almost positive Bea is not bad. Why do you think I am Voldy?

What is your trust of Bea based upon?

Your curse.

It's not the only time he mentions something along those lines either. It's nothing concrete, but I have been operating under the belief that it is.

Linki: I most suspect Bea right now, but she has no votes. I have already said I suspectthat one of either SVSor Bea is bad, probably Voldemort, it's not concrete but it is my biggest lead right now. But i will be willing to consider other possibilities if it means saving the two leaders right now.

Russtifinko wrote:
bea wrote:RIP FZ I' had really good feelings about you and I'm pretty sure we were both civs. Once of us always seems to die early when we are both civs. Why do peeps hate the idea of us being civ together so much?

Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace FZ. I was feeling pretty good about you

I'm looking at DH today. I think there's something there with the DF connection. DF seemed extremely hesitant to take a stance on DH and went out of his way to vote to help save DH Day 1. Furthermore, DH didn't contribute at all to the discussion on DF. There's also something I want to point out about some of DH's posting on Day 2 but it will have to wait until I get home so I can search for it.

I know I've defended DH some in this game but I'm concerned that that was misguided of me. I felt like he was getting heat for simply being an active participant, but now that we've got more to go on, he feels a bit slippery to me.
TH, I look forward to your ideas about DH on Day 2 I'm curious, I don't remember you sharing thoughts on Boomslang.

I'm glad to see Timmer participating more! I found your comments, when I read up, very insightful and great to have around. Rey, on the other hand, still has my eye.
TH- I look forward to reading what you have to say about DH - I still have my doubts about him but I'm not sure that's the sort of investigative work I can handle ATM.

Dom - in all fairness, it looks like Sawyer had a smiley curse. I'd like to see how he handles this day phase.

S~V~S wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Bea, how do you know that

bea wrote:

linki - snowy - a civvie posted about bass supposing he picked SVS for the posting contest when the exact opposite was true. So it's possible he was just going on memory - which is faulty and missed that hedgie didn't post.

Sorry hit submit by mistake

You write "a civvie posted" like it's a fact. How do you know that? And I know your usage is quirky, but am I reading into it when I say it sounds as if you are talking about civvies in the third person? That was just a weird thing to say, I guess.

To add to this, bea, you said "civ" 3 times to start that post, but they were all worded so as to not really be lie detectable to say whether you're civ or not. It makes me nervous. Something to hide?

I will only quote the post that jumped to me. Give me a moment. I won't interpret it for you or anyone else, just tell me if you see anything...

I am seriously worried about this lynch train on Russ. A couple things he said earlier in the game lead e to believe it would be a huge mistake on the part of the civs to lynch him. Please read through his posts before placing a vote.

Also, there is something in thread that has made me change my mind on DH. I don't really want to go into it.

Timmer, aside from me who are you thinking? Because I can't get behind either of these two leading lynch candidates.

I don't see myself putting a vote on Russ or DH, so this has me seriously concerned.

I'm sorry guys, I started a new job yesterday, I've been kind of busy, thus the lack of posting here recently. I've skimmed the past couple pages and I can't say I am happy...

timmer wrote:Exactly, Alex is trying to cast himself as this big savior but he was just trying to get out in front of a situation that was already starting to unfold. He's very carefully playing the woe is me card to control the narrative. It makes me feel that I'm right about SD being bad SND her being the narrator.

You are absolutely wrong about my alignment. I am civ. I don't know if Alex chose me as the narrator but I would be really surprised if he did. He is a smart player, he would make a careful choice here.he would want someone he thought had the best chance to make it to the end. I am not that player, and we all know it. I would not even think he would recruit me this early in the game, maybe later, I don't know.

Lynching me will only help the baddies. don't do it.

That said, this stupid narrator accusation has made me a mark, I will likely get NKed at some point, I woud rather get lynched. At least that way the civs will get some information from my death.

Now, I want to say I think either SVS or Bea are bad. I don't know which I a suspect more right now, and it's far from being certain. I could be wrong, but I tend to subscribe to the idea that the simplest explanation is the likeliest and right now that points in my mind to either Bea or SVS being bad. That is my two cents on that. I Still don't trust DH or TH either frankly. For all the reasons we've been over a million times.

I'd like to hear from Bea

Probably FZ or INH I think.

I think hatter is likely gone, and I doubt it is gollum.

I suppose that is a definite possibility...

Oh, I see SVS, given there are only two characters who are connected to Harry potter stuff, you must be one of the two. Well then I suppose I do think you are voldemort.

I don't see how your curse factors in. There only seems to be one role that likely curses which is the one you are claiming.

Also,if I am vowing an apology to you should I be wrong, I want one from you when you see you are wrong about me, agreed?

Look I am not bad. You all want to lynch me to prove it, feel free. It will only prove to hurt the civs because that is my alignment. For one second maybe you should all consider I went after Dom because I truly suspected him based off his behavior yesterday. I also believed bass to be bad, based entirely on the fact that it was most likely two baddies who got caught targeting tyler. Lynch me if you must, but if you are civ, you would be making a mistake. It won't kill the team, but it would be a waste of time and a loss to the civ numbers. Whatever?

S~V~S wrote:Why is it that you feel most confident about me? Is it because I really seriously believe you to be Bass' teammate?

Why do you think I am Voldemort?

Will you give me a giant public apology when you are wrong?

No it based entirely on your behavior, just as my belief Dom was bad was from yesterday.

I never said I believed you were voldemort so I'm not sure where you got that from.

Sure

No LC, you won't see a sig bet because I hate sig bets.

My top three suspects are SVS, DH and TH. But I feel really unsure right now about all of it to be frank. I feel most confident about SVS. TH really looks like he slipped up, but I don't see how this would be reconciled with him going after DF as MP pointed out already. DH I have not trusted since early in the game but I just feel very uncertain about it right now.

I don't have BTSC and I am not bad in any way shape or form. The only way LC and I are teammates is if he is Civ, which has been my general read of him but I could be wrong because I have no inside info. I just don't see it. I'm not bad, period.

You seem to be intentionally focusing on the wrong part of Dom's point against you TH. The problem he has with your comment is not the double targeting portion but the fact that you seemed to know it was MP. the only way someine else would have know it was MP before he said so would be if they were one of the two people on the poll or if they had BTSC with that person. Until this day period I had trusted you but I am not so sure anymore.

Also Dom, you are not pissing me off, I feel bad for you because I know how frustrating that position is. But it is kind of the nature of the game unfortunately.

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