The Syndicate

DFaraday wrote:WOT HOPPEN??????

I did not expect that at all. I was positive that MP was bad, but I guess neither I nor anyone else saw the real threat coming.

So why did Sorsha and Daisy jump on the Soneji bandwagon? Since that shaped the entire course of events going forward, I'd like to know.

Why not?

I meant it when I said I had never been part of a CFD before and kind of wanted to be.

she ratted you out Epi

Epignosis wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Dead in one cycle because Daisy and Epignosis were mafia. Again. A Guess Who gain.

Can't even be mad, must be human nature.
Blame the girls. My role in BTSC was "Uh-huh." "Sounds good." "Fine by me." "Yep, that works."

I wasn't aware we killed you in Guess Who.

He doesn't seem to have known he was hinting at a power role, so I'm thinking it was sheer luck on both kills, lol.

Dom wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:I don't think you have searched every nook and cranny.
Care to elaborate or do you prefer being cryptic?
i just don't get why it matters who died before
Chances are now quite high that it doesn't matter. Daisy clinted at being Jack, who also died in the first game.

That leaves you as the only holdout. Do you believe that sharing is caring or do we need to clear out the armory in the hatch, tie you up, and make you talk?
I've given a pretty direct hint, but perhaps you should leave the "making people talk" to the people who know what they're doing.

That's how I interpreted this. Maybe I was interpreting it incorrectly and just got really freaking lucky, lol.

oh btw, Dom was killed because I caught his hinting at having a role power. Rico was a lucky shot in the dark.

Yeah I have no idea what tell he thought he saw, but I milked that for all it was worth, lol.

Linki @G-Man, you were dead early. I was really referring to everyone else. I mean why didn't anyone suspect her enough to vote for her? I was terrified she would get lynched, her role revealed and suddenly everyone would realize all three of us were probably on the beach while we killed Rico. Then we would have been toast.

Read Sorsha's godfather role description.

I came out hard against Sorsha starting with the beach thread because I was sure you all were going to lynch her, she was acting scummy. I think she was acting so scummy no one could believe she actually was scummy, lol.

This game was just so much fun for me, you don't even know...

Poll's closed Quin, so what was the thing...

Then what was the thing you were waiting for that is now no longer going to happen?

I very much look forward to that.

What kind of thing? A particular thing? I find this very fascinating.

For a thing?

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.
Why would I be teammates with Quin? That makes no sense at all MP. Listen, I think you are civ. But I also think you need to take a step back to evaluate your read on me here. I called out Quin for THREE days. And I called out INH today. You all were so convinced that Quin was claiming a power role to distract the baddies. I thought he was doing it b/c he knew he wasn't in trouble of being killed b/c he WAS a baddie. Now how do you change your story on that topic? Was I correct on the matter? Would I call out a teammate like that if I were bad and if I were correct on that matter. Your reads are getting all jumbled, MP. I think the baddies are Scotty/Sorsha, INH, and Quin. I think that makes a lot more sense.

I know Scotty is a new name for me to throw around, but I just about forgot he was even playing

Something else that I noticed and wanted to point out here... Elo went on and on about Quin's question as though she didn't know what we all thought he was doing but her post here reads to me like someone who knew exactly what we all thought he was doing. It looks like a baddie slip to me.

I am faced with this following situation. I am very certain Alex is civ. I am fairly certain Epi is civ. I feel like Quin is likely civ judging by his ISOs. I trusted Epi's assessment of Elo yesterday despite my own misgivings on it and that did not work out well for us when DF flipped civ. If I eliminate Alex, Epi and Quin by PoE I have my baddies in INH Sorsha and Elo. I'm voting Elo with MP.

sorry for not being as present right now guys, trying to spend some time with Alex before he leaves for a week and a half...

if only it were that easy in retail...

Quin, I see you found my answers when my response got caught up in linki.

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Why would you have not voted for Scotty? I don't know if it was a bad choice, but it makes no sense to flip your vote all over the place and not give any reason why you are voting for that person. And the fact that Scotty (the person you said you wanted to vote for) had already voted for him, it makes even less sense to me. At least I had a reason for my vote.

As far as the assessment of me, I can understand why he thinks that. He's wrong, I was not aware voting for G-Man would prevent Elo from dying. I wasn't saving her. I wasn't saving her the first time either. But I can understand why it might look that way yes. My eyeroll was not about that it was about the fact that of course you would jump on that, considering everything I've said before that about you.

Right now I could see casting a vote for Elo, Scotty, or Sorsha right now. Probably in that order. Though I might be willing to swap Scotty and Elo, I don't know. Epi's defense of her is holding me back, because he usually seems to be right, but she has gotten good at fooling him I've noticed, so yeah... Meh.
I don't like Spacedaisy's vote, especially considering this post. DFaraday wasn't even on her radar.

This is true, he wasn't. I pointed that out myself in my response to MP. Because he brought something to my attention I really hadn't thought about. The fact that DF was setting up the follow up lynches no matter how Elo's lynch might result. That is shady to me in a big way, but it wasn't even something I was considering until it was pointed out to me. New information Quin, it can change your perspective. As well as lots of conversation about one of the two forerunners for my vote, some of those arguments changed my opinion.

I trust you and Epi. I believe you are both civs. I also find her play more consistent with her norm, whereas DFaraday seems slightly out of character for his norm. I was leaning Elo before and DF wasn't even on my radar before pointing out the lined up lynches. My biggest reason for holding back on her is how insistent Epi is about Elo. Can he be fooled, yeah I've seen it. But I would expect he would have to be more confident in his assessment after her fooling him, so I'm going to trust him on it.

Linki @Elo: Yeah, I saw how far your baddie game has come, so it does scare me.

I'm looking at the votes and it looks like it's tied at the moment. I'm going to place my vote with the people I find more trustworthy because I can go either way on this one. I'm voting DFaraday.

@ MP - Up until your post on him setting up easy lynches, I hadn't really thought anything of him. In reading the Hatch thread I thought briefly that he seemed more engaged that he normally comes across to me, but I don't think that is necessarily a baddie tell or anything, he is usually disengaged either way I believe. But your post about setting up lynches was a good point. He basically has a lynch lined up no matter what result Elo might flip, which would be a nice place for a baddie to be sitting. It is something to consider.

Why would you have not voted for Scotty? I don't know if it was a bad choice, but it makes no sense to flip your vote all over the place and not give any reason why you are voting for that person. And the fact that Scotty (the person you said you wanted to vote for) had already voted for him, it makes even less sense to me. At least I had a reason for my vote.

As far as the assessment of me, I can understand why he thinks that. He's wrong, I was not aware voting for G-Man would prevent Elo from dying. I wasn't saving her. I wasn't saving her the first time either. But I can understand why it might look that way yes. My eyeroll was not about that it was about the fact that of course you would jump on that, considering everything I've said before that about you.

Right now I could see casting a vote for Elo, Scotty, or Sorsha right now. Probably in that order. Though I might be willing to swap Scotty and Elo, I don't know. Epi's defense of her is holding me back, because he usually seems to be right, but she has gotten good at fooling him I've noticed, so yeah... Meh.

Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Your wife has fooled you before Epi, in Jessica Jones she played up her lack of knowledge and you took the bait, declaring her a clueless civ who has not kept up. Do you think there is any possibility she could be doing that to you again here? I don't see a good civ reason for going on after him relentlessly either when many others in the hatch thread made it pretty clear there is a good civ reason for Quin to do what he did. As a civ I would be more likely to back off when I felt like there was clearly something I was missing, so I am struggling to relate to Elo's pursuit of Quin right now. I have seen nothing from Quin to suggest baddie to me, but I've also seen nothing to suggest civ either. I can see a reason to do what he did, but a baddie can do it just the same.
Charlie is a good bass player, but it doesn't mean he doesn't hit a bad note sometimes.

What you would do and what she would do are two different things. She even called him rude. Do you think she'd say that when she could find out what she wanted to know in a BTSC group?

My point is not that she doesn't know. My point is that she has fooled you into believing she didn't know something before, despite having BTSC and knowing the answer to what she was saying/asking in thread. She was doing it because it fooled you. Calling someone rude is not alignment indicative if you ask me. She could know the answer to her question, but still think he is rude for intentionally ignoring her, and for saying things she doesn't like about her gameplay. Yes you are correct, what I would do and she would do are not necessarily the same thing. I said that to explain why I am struggling to understand her as a civ, because it is far from what makes logical sense to me as a civ.

Linki @ Sorsha:

You would like that paragraph since I've been saying you were wonky since we were on the beach.

@ Quin: You should note that just because I say that you could do something as a baddie, doesn't mean I'm saying I think you are bad. My point is I am not taking it as conclusive evidence that you are civ.

Your wife has fooled you before Epi, in Jessica Jones she played up her lack of knowledge and you took the bait, declaring her a clueless civ who has not kept up. Do you think there is any possibility she could be doing that to you again here? I don't see a good civ reason for going on after him relentlessly either when many others in the hatch thread made it pretty clear there is a good civ reason for Quin to do what he did. As a civ I would be more likely to back off when I felt like there was clearly something I was missing, so I am struggling to relate to Elo's pursuit of Quin right now. I have seen nothing from Quin to suggest baddie to me, but I've also seen nothing to suggest civ either. I can see a reason to do what he did, but a baddie can do it just the same.

Sorry, I find Sorsha and Scotty's behavior suspicious. Their votes made no sense at all. I guess the fact the people I think we're acting shady casting votes for Epi make me feel somewhere in the neutral to civ leaning range. He has not given me much to go on though really so that could easily change.

I also think that Scotty's Day 1 vote plays a part in my view of him, here is his vote reason:

Scotty wrote:I literally hopped on here last second to vote and saw I had voted so I voted Soneji. To save myself

I'm not the first to point out that he only had one vote, he didn't need saved.

And if Scotty is bad, I would suspect Sorsha as his teammate. Two lynches now she has claimed to find him suspicious and "wanted" to vote him but yet has not. And she gave actual reasons for wanting to vote him unlike her vote forEpi, which had zero explanation.

It was really just giving my interpretation of events on the beach, but it was also a partial explanation of my vote. I don't know.

there wasn't a ton of thought that went into the post, I've been mildly distracted the last few days. when I said I trusted him,I meant in the wider scope of the game. I read him in ISO to see where he voted Day 1 and why. Doing so gave me reason to feel like he could be trusted. Does that answer whatever question you have because I'm not sure what you are looking for.

Literally nothing.

Scotty came in, Sorsha said she suspected him the most but didn't want to vote someone not present to defend himself. She asked me my opinion of MP and my response was I am solidly reading civ MP this game.

Dom voted G-Man with no explanation, which is why I went back to the main thread to see if he voted him Day 1, and he did. Reading Dom in ISO made me feel like I trusted him more than anyone else in my thread at that point too.

Scotty voted Epi/Kate because he didn't flirt more with Scotty/Sawyer in his roleplay.

Sorsha voted G-Man with no explanation, then quickly switched to Epi with no explanation except that she didn't want to vote for someone not there to defend himself.

I voted G-Man because all I had was Day 1 to go off of, and I only trusted Dom because everyone else was hopped up on drugs or something judging by the way they were popping off votes with no explanation or reasoning.

Epi missed the vote.

Whole lot of nothing. Very confusing nothing.

Well that sucked.

Our thread was nearly silent and what we did have was thoroughly unhelpful and scattered, I was looking back to see who Dom voted on Day 1, and to help me decide my vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I rolled with Soneji. Kind of fun, I've never been part of a CFD before.
The last time I was in a game with one I was suspected for half a month
Also,

LOL, and you weren't even bad. So fun to watch, can't lie.

I rolled with Soneji. Kind of fun, I've never been part of a CFD before.

I got no feeling at all on them, and what are we feeling about Scotty? I would say those three have left no major impression on me.

Sorsha wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Quin wrote:If it comes to a tie breaker I'll be moving my vote to Eloh to save G-Man. I do not want to do that. Alternatively you could all vote INH.
You feel confident enough in G-Man's alignment to save him?

Linki: You're considering voting someone for roleplay/low content?
And?

It's just odd that you want others to excuse your low content because, hey it's Day 1! But you would consider voting someone else for that reason, that's all I'm saying

Quin: Can you please explain why you feel that confident about him this early?

MP: Why Elo over G-Man?

Linki: I'm here, who are we considering?

Quin wrote:If it comes to a tie breaker I'll be moving my vote to Eloh to save G-Man. I do not want to do that. Alternatively you could all vote INH.

You feel confident enough in G-Man's alignment to save him?

Linki: You're considering voting someone for roleplay/low content?

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:How are ties settled, Golden?
A post from season one, for context.

This is interesting, in light of the discussion regarding fake roles being randomized.

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Quin wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Why MP, brotha?
He's one of few who hasn't declared his location yet. I'm inclined to believe the baddies would wait until later on so they can go to wherever their target goes.
I could buy this reasoning on Day 2 or later, but I don't think it's a strong enough reasoning for a vote at this point. Why did you choose him over the others who have not declared?
I didn't choose G-Man because I'd found reason to civ read him before now, so he was the only one left. The highlighted sounds like you're implying that my reasoning should be stronger on Day 1 than it should Day 2 or others, so I hope I'm wrong about my interpretation.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are saying I am implying. What I was saying is that if it were Day 2 or later, I could see the baddies being strategically trying to place themselves in the same location as a target, but I don't think it is as likely on Day 1 when they are trying to get a feel for everyone just like the civilians are. I'm sure their goal will be to get rid of power roles sooner rather than later, but they have to watch posts and actions to try and see who they think might have a power role just like we do to see who we think is bad. So I think it's more likely that instead of trying to get in place with someone they want to kill, they probably will have at least one in both locations. So I don't see what benefit waiting to declare would be for the baddies on Day 1. Did that make more sense?

Quin wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Why MP, brotha?
He's one of few who hasn't declared his location yet. I'm inclined to believe the baddies would wait until later on so they can go to wherever their target goes.

I could buy this reasoning on Day 2 or later, but I don't think it's a strong enough reasoning for a vote at this point. Why did you choose him over the others who have not declared?

insertnamehere wrote:
G-Man wrote:Considering that there is a 5.3% chance of repeating as a baddie cover role, I'm willing to chance it on Day 1.
This is the same like, logical fallacy that makes roulette players bet on red after a big string of blacks.

It's like saying I'm more likely to have a baddie role in this game because I've recently had a string of civilian roles.

If the cover roles really are randomly chosen, there's literally no reason to trust DFaraday and Epignosis for being Charlie and Kate.

I think I missed a step. Where did we learn that the cover roles were chosen randomly?

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Those who have already voted, could you tell us if votes are changeable?
Confirmed. It says they are in the r00lz.

Derp, I even read the rules and somehow missed that! Sorry

Those who have already voted, could you tell us if votes are changeable?

Golden wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Golden wrote:Daisy had post 108. For that, she gets...
Uh... what do I get? Hopefully something good!
No, you don't get anything. I just thought it was worth noting.

Well that was just mean...

Golden wrote:Daisy had post 108. For that, she gets...

Uh... what do I get? Hopefully something good!

G-Man wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:G-Man losing a little of his standing with me already, that was quick. It was already pointed out that the baddies would want to be where there are more people, easier to hide. But he basically just tried to propose a plan that would allow baddies to easily hide without looking overly suspicious.
Crick in your neck after that sudden turnabout? Damn near gave me whiplash. Still, might be abit too obvious for a baddie to try. I'll look past this comment for now.

lol, what can I say, I play by my gut. And my gut says I don't like a plan that encourages one site where more people will intentionally gather, effectively making it harder to narrow down who might be the killer.

G-Man losing a little of his standing with me already, that was quick. It was already pointed out that the baddies would want to be where there are more people, easier to hide. But he basically just tried to propose a plan that would allow baddies to easily hide without looking overly suspicious.

Scotty and Gman look good to me at the moment so I doubt I'll vote them today.

Now that Golden has explained why it would not be to our benefit to not all declare a location, I'll declare that I am going back to the beach, leave that damn useless hatch to that nutcase, Locke.

I read last night but I was feeling kind of sick so instead of replying I went to bed. Sorry to be lame there guys.

Or maybe I was helping Locke break into the hatch, only to discover we can't all hide in there because it would take to long to lower everyone into it. What a waste of time that was...

Now, we need to band together, Ana you wanna help me build an army so we can kick some Others' ass?

I like that some people were looking for ways to use the location mechanic to our advantage, it's a shame the host shut that down, but I guess I can't blame him. Going to go back and see who it was that presented the plan(s).

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