The Syndicate

I love bea dearly and she has played great game, but I am leaning towards giving the win to boom because he is a newer player than her, and I think the win would mean more for him than for her. And I'm a little biased toward Cohen since I was a Houdini Spliced in that game.

I am voting for Boom to win. But I still love me some Bea.

*votes*

Sorry guys, the girlfriend trumped mafia last night. We needed some time. But he will get to the game as soon as possible.

He's on his way back now

I was torn, I considered voting Hedge so SVS wasn't left out to dry. Basically I don't have a clue what is happening in this game so I could have gone either way. I ended up voting Elo though.

Lizzy wrote:You guys, I'm not sure I'm buying this whole SD thing because that's just bad baddie strategy :\ She could be BB, but I somehow don't see her accepting a NK offer from a random butler (unlike myself )

Also, should we have some sort of package strategy? I played the Avant game on PA and naturally, I opened mine (although I think that one was a poll option) and kinda died.

I would recommend you go back and read my posts after the secrets were revealed. There was a very good reason I was suspicious of Epi because of his connecting the dots of the Moriarty kill and the BB kill so quickly. I was suspicious of him before the secrets were revealed because of the phrasing of a PM I received.

My death is surprising to me, my Rez not so much.

I added my vote to Mongoose because I am hoping for a clear result...

I would really like to hear BWT's input right now on boomslang's survival.

Some weird shit went down last night and I am thoroughly confused

Or I suppose he could be Cohen?

Ugh. So is it safe to assume Boomslang is fetus?

the girlfriend does not appreciate jokes about you dying.

No, my meh was not meant insultingly to you. It was my general feeling of dread about how this was unfolding. I am sorry if I have unknowingly voted a civ by voting you Elo, I hate to have frustrated you so much.

Linki: Cohen? The way she freaked when she started getting votes immediately made me think this possibility...?

Meh...

timmer wrote:Sd, you havent said anything about my comments towards you. Do you anything to say about my thoughts, do you get what im talking about, etc?

I don't know specifically what you are referring to but I could make an educated guess because I know what I put out there. I am civ, that much is true.

To be frank, I have little to add to this conversation. I am civ, but I am fairly lost as to why certain people are so sure about certain other people. I'm not going to campaign for my innocence. Whatever happens happens. I am not stressed about it, everything will become clear one way or another I figure. As far as my vote, I am kind of holding it until I see some consensus here, but I don't want to wait too long and forget either...

Linki: and it looks like Eloh is the way it is going. If Lizzy is correct in her earlier assessment, I can vote for any of them and be voting for a Baddie. Which is why I am ok with this vote. It has become a numbers game it seems. Unless someone is really pulling the wool over our eyes.

I was blendy until today because something grabbed my attention today. I was not intentionally being blendy, but you should know me well enough by now to know that I am quieter until the game thins out some and really engage better in end game. But like I said, it was because that last result got my brain running (for reasons I cannot divulge). I don't however have any reason to doubt Bea at this point, given what she has said and Mongoose has said.

I will be interested to hear those thoughts. But I may not see them until tomorrow night because I am tired. Going to shower and go to sleep.

It does not make sense that it would say Bea killed herself. It should have said the role that killed her if that were the case.

My Lizzy question has no bearing, disregard it.

But why would it say she killed herself? If she or rowed something or a kill was redirected somehow would it not still say that X killed Bea?

MP can you clarify how this would be written?

Scratch that, I'm tired and it has no bearing now that I think about it.

What about Lizzy's lynch reveal? How do you feel about that?

Bea, do you think any of the revealed roles so far are likely to be Martell?

I am feeling less comfortable with your alignment right now...

There were two civ options and I am now certain she was neither. However, I can see what I think she might be hinting at now. Just don't know if I believe it yet.

I am not doubting her because of BWT,I am doubting her because what I thought her role was and made me feel comfortable with her is no longer valid. Bea, do you know why you rezzed?

Given this result,I am really unsure where I fall on bea anymore.i am searching to find what she is hinting at, but I don't get it. I know this,I am sure she is not what I thought she was before when she was rezzed...

I am not bad, but if you need to lynch me to prove that, I'm ok with that. It will waste time we could be getting a Baddie, but whatever.

BDH, I hate hearing you saying words like retire. I am also sad to see things go down like they have and see you out of the game.

To everyone, I would ask that not just for this game, but for any game you are in that if you take issue with how the host has done something, take it to them in PM and respect whatever they decide in the end. It's a difficult endeavor to host a game, especially one like this that is filled with a bunch of opinionated, obstinate and loud mouthed players such as ourselves. Those of you who have hosted know exactly how frustrating it can be when you are NOT busy, let alone when you are in the busiest time of year. And you also know it can be pretty hurtful and discouraging when you get a lot of pissed off players because they don't like something. Hosts work hard to create and run games for the express purpose of our enjoyment, it is hard on them when we complain and doubly so when we do so in thread. He is trying hard to make this fun for everyone, so cut him some slack guys.

BigDamnHero wrote:Who cares about ohio?!?!?:p

Voting Kentucky, because Ohio and Florida aren't options.

Nevinera wrote:

• Trusty John - [Grimm's Fairy Tales] – Is always valiant and has the Kingdom's best interest at heart. The first time he is targeted for a NK, he will survive and there will be two days in a row. The second time he dies.

Presumably one of the folks that survived the kills last night did it by being trusty.

And yeah, there was no urgency to killing grady, but he *was* lms - we had to kill him eventually to win.
I'm just glad we don't have to waste our free extra day lynching him a third time.

Oh! I missed that.

Ok,I looked back over the roles and I can see the civ options for her Rez. But I did not see anything about skipping a night., so I'm confused.

I can't believe people are making such a fuss over my socks post. I have always had a habit of writing exactly what I was thinking. I don't know why exactly I put that in,but if I was going to use a secret word I am smart enough to use it a heck of a lot more subtly than that! My feet were cold and I remembered being annoyed by something. I don't recall what now. But I just said it and walked away from the computer in irritation. As far as why I voted for Vomps, it was because I felt more comfortable with Bea's civ alignment than his so if I was going to cast a vote that made any kind of difference I knew it would have to be for one of them. I think I am missing why everyone has changed their mind about Bea.

I want ahead and voted Llama, which is what I would have felt most comfortable voting yesterday if not for the way the votes had already fallen in that lynch. Going to research this Bea stuff.

thellama73 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:We don't know that yet Llama. It mentions both Bea and Vomps in that post as still being in the gas chamber. I suspect it was a tie.

Ties are resolved by Zodac. There still should have been a lynch, as Nev has pointed out numerous times in reference to me.

I have run games with mechanics where outcomes are dependent upon another role. It usually requires a delay in order to work. I will believe no one was lynched once this night period is past and neither of them die. Remember how Robert's game worked? Lynches all happened at night, correct? I will reserve judgement on this until the night is over.

We don't know that yet Llama. It mentions both Bea and Vomps in that post as still being in the gas chamber. I suspect it was a tie.

Ok, I just read ten pages at 40 pp and there is this scene playing in my head from Chicago. I feel like I should be singing "give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle..." This day period has felt like a three ring circus. There are two distinct groups pulling in two different directions. SVS, Bea and BDH are kind of grouped together and pointing at Llama and Nev. Nev and Llama are pointing at Bea. And then you have DH coming in with this Vomps stuff. It just seems like a lot of confusion. I liked Nev's word analysis. But I am hearing SVS and what I am hearing is not, "I suspect, I believe" It is "I know." She would not be saying that if she did not know. I also believe BDH believes Bea is Civ. and yes I think he would know her well enough to know how to read her a lot better than me. And I originally thought she was bad until she was targeted for a NK. I have a waffled a lot on her so this has been tough. Also, I don't understand the logic of killing Bea if you believe she is Martell. If she is, we have no way of knowing it for certain. Why is she the logical choice from your group of three that emerged in the word analysis? I'm just not understanding.

Vomps... DH surprised me with that one. To be honest it seems the most like desperate attempt to distract. (It was DH who brought this us, was it not? Stuff melds together when reading ten pages in one sitting.) anyone can copy and paste. To say that it looks like Vomps because of that seems like a HUGE stretch. And Vomps seems like an easy target to me.

Arg. I don't know if Vomps is bad, but I don't like the case against him. But I have a bad feeling about the way this lynch has gone and particularly about the idea of lynching Bea so I am going to cast a vote on Vomps and see how the chips fall.

I have stopped at a McDonald's on the drive between my hometown and Cincinnati in order to vote and then hit the road again. I have been pretty swamped the past couple days with traveling, seeing my family and attending viewing and funeral services. So I am sticking with the only suspicion of my own I have had recently and that is Epi. So I am voting now and running so I can get home at a decent hour.

*votes Epi*

I voted for gleam. I'm going to bed. Catch you all tomorrow.

This has been a rough couple days for me. Got word that someone who was like a little sister to me died in a car wreck yesterday morning. Couldn't sleep for more than an hour at a time last night. Needless to say I am not much I the mood for srsbsns mafia. Going to go nap.

I am casting my vote for Epi because as I mentioned before, he seemed to know where the extra kills were coming from before it was revealed.

DharmaHelper wrote:When he does not find Jack, he can send a proposal to that player the subsequent day period via the host, offering them the use of a night kill. That player has the remainder of the day period to respond to the offer. If they take the offer for the night kill, they will send in a target via PM that subsequent night, but in reality, Delbert will choose the real target, and Delbert's target will be killed. Every time Delbert successfully executes an "offer" kill, he gains one lynch stop. must kill every other player to win (except Jack, ~~ ~~e~ ~e~~ ~~).


Still cracking at this one but it solves the Mycroft Mystery.

This leads me to question how Epi was so sure about the kills showing up that have now been revealed to be form an Indy source which can potentially get a kill if he finds Jack...

Epignosis wrote:I do not think "Alarm Clock" is a Night kill. I think that has more to do with affecting a Day / Night phase (i.e., time). I believe BB got a kill the same way Mycroft did.

Interesting that bea survived a kill from both a civilian and a villain.

At this juncture I think it's clear that Zodac is manipulating the Night polls, probably in the same fashion I have illustrated before. Beware.

AceofSpaces is off the poll.

I don't see anyway BB can have definitively known bea's roleso it seems to me that all it implies about Bea is that BB suspects her. Given she was also targeted by a Baddie team last night, there is a decent chance BB coud be wrong though. Hard saying.

Lizzy, Kate and SVS

So, I don't have time to properly catch up. As such I threw a vote on Hedge in order to spread it a bit.

Russ, I follow now. Sorry to have not considered that fact. I will bear it in kind in future votes.

Russtifinko wrote:And to Daisy: NOOOOOOO! Putting 2 votes on someone is the worst thing you can do!

I must be missing something.... Why?

Well I am behind like nine pages and no time to catch up since what I read last night. So... I have no idea why Lizzy is topping everyone's list, but I did skim the last page and I am kind of relieved to see I am not the only one who finds Bea to be kind of shady right now. I am tossing my vote in with BF's and voting Bea.

I tried posting this once, but apparently it got lost in the Internet somewhere so I will try again.

I have seen a couple people either not getting what my point was or deliberately trying to make me look bad, but either way I will explain my "safest" comment. If Epi had been right and Zodac had targeted INH, then he presumably could not target him again, thereby making it the safest vote a civ could place by voting INH. However this is all meaningless in light of the fact that INH was killed, we saw nothing from Zodac and the poll is a giant mindfuck. But my original point (though null because of those missed details when I posted it) is nothing suspicious nor is it all that very confusing.

Dom wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I am sad to see INH night killed because he would have been the safest way to vote today. Meh.

?

I had missed the fact the poll was all whacked out.

Also as a side note, I only jokingly call him an asshole. And only on occasion.

Mmmm hmm.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I am sad to see INH night killed because he would have been the safest way to vote today. Meh.

So Robert, what do you think of the fact no one was lynched?

To be honest, I thought I was fucked.

I'm a bit relieved, and at the same time not so much.

Tell your boyfriend he's an asshole.

I tell him that all the time. The question is why you are saying it?

I am sad to see INH night killed because he would have been the safest way to vote today. Meh.

So Robert, what do you think of the fact no one was lynched?