The Syndicate

It was luck mostly.

Elohcin wrote:Not if we killed her Night 2!!! I should have fought for what I thought we should do instead of folding so easily.

That would have drastically changed things indeed. Somehow everyone of my peeks was still alive. If I had peeked the wrong people it would have changed things too, but you guys kept choosing the unexpected kills. So why not do some seer hunting? I was confused by that early on.

I really thought you guys would kill me last night, but even if you had I was sure that TH and MP at least had followed what I laid out and it was all there for the civs. MP did a great job of baiting the kill last night though.

For the record, I never peeked MP because I was that certain he was civ. he has only fooled me a couple times in games and I just was not seeing any baddie signs in him at all, but put that together with the choice of kills and I just knew there was no way it was him. The choice of kills was also a lot of why I believe TH was civ.

I was trying to wait for the perfect time to say "Marry me!" But I got too caught up in the game and never did find it.

I went ahead and voted for Sloonei.

Linki: I can just as easily vote you Elo. You both are bad.

I must say Sloonei, you have done the best job role playing!

Here it is just for you TH

I am the cop.

Here are my peeks:
N0: lovedelic
N1: G-Man
N2: Llama
N3: Turnip Head

Sorry Elo, no matter how hard you bus Sloonei at this point you have been discovered by process of elimination.

Lynch either Sloonei or Elo and it will net a baddie, and the other one is the remaining baddie. Up to you all who you want to lynch first

Thank you! Have I ever mentioned how much I enjoy playing with you? If not, then I am now.

Interesting. Well that's at least something.

Could you refresh me? Who are your top three suspects right now?

You are the only one of the three who discussed me prior to this, so I don't think I have any questions for you. You're right I have been back and forth on you. Because I have a difficult time reading you over all.

Awe come on Elo and Wilgy. I see you guys lurking, come out and play. Tell me why I'm wrong. Tell me who you think is bad. Convince me.

Turnip Head wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:You all want to talk I would love to talk about any of the following:
Turnip Head

I'm all ears.

You are actually one of the least likely IMO, but I can't dismiss the possibility.

I feel fairly confident that the following three are baddies:

Elo
Sloonei 2
Wilgy

The other two that I think have a slim chance of being baddies who have fooled me are Turnip Hiead and MP. I feel like 98% certain that MP is civ and about 80% certain TH is. But I am open to hearing cases from others who feel less trusting of you guys.

Look back at how today began. Suddenly those three came out of the box today all talking about me. It seems pretty transparent that they are strategically working together. Wilgy throwing out that red peek of Elo is distancing under the guise of supposedly gauging my reaction. I am pretty sure she will flip bad and he will too.

To answer MP, why would I want to discuss people I feel pretty certain are civilian?i would rather discuss the people I suspect.

You still being alive does not make sense unless you are not the cop and the baddies know it, the only way they could know it (since Day 1) is if you are one of them. I think the baddies have been killing people who didn't claim because they believe the real cop is playing it quiet and doesn't believe any of us who have claimed are actually the cop. I mean who can blame them, right? We haven't been all that believable. Of course now we have a concrete cop claim with a red peek to boot. So maybe they were wrong. But I feel sure that the three baddies are all within a group of four (very slight chance it might be five) players. Doesn't give you good odds, especially since now you have a red peek on you too. So, yeah. My vote is going to you without question.

You all want to talk I would love to talk about any of the following:
Sloonei
Elo
Turnip Head
Wilgy (duh)
And I would even entertain conversation about MP, but honestly I think he is a really unlikely candidate, I just can't dismiss the idea he MIGHT be fooling me, because it is a slim possibility. Wilgy's flip might show us something on this if his peek is correct

I would vote for you first and her second. In short I don't believe your cop claim anymore. It makes no sense. I have a group of about four people that I feel certain contain the entire baddie team, with one additional one who may be fooling me, but I highly doubt it. You and she are both in that group. So if you are civ, she is definitely not. But I don't believe you are and I doubt she is either. I think you are both bad.

G-Man wrote:Also worth noting is this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ron Howard's voice wrote:List of n0 green peeks:
a2thezebra - N/A
DrWilgy - Sloonei
Elohcin - N/A
G-Man - N/A
lovedelic - N/A
Metalmarsh89 - N/A
MovingPictures07 - Elohcin
Ricochet - thellama73
Sloonei - N/A
Spacedaisy - lovedelic
Sorsha - N/A
thellama73 - N/A
Turnip Head - G-Man

The people who didn't make a cop claim are the only ones dying so far. The bad guys also NK'd another non-cop-claimer. What say you over-analyzers of kills?

GOB, stop it! Do not burn down the Banana Stand! It's illegal, you know.

You know what Pop Pop always says, there's always money in the banana stand.

This should be entertaining. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on me.

I am not interested in a George Michael lynch at the moment. I have actually found him to seem pretty civ for the most part.

The only reason I could see Wilgy not being killed at this point is if he is mafia. Plus we have a red peek cop claim. So I see no reason not to vote Wilgy right now.

Sorsha wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

It's silly. If I were Mafia and I thought wilgy were the cop I'd kill him.

Plus, I wouldn't kill zebra because, as it's been pointed out, he was just killed night one in the last game he played.

I already changed my vote off you. In fact you can decide with your vote who might be lynched, we currently have a three way tie between you, MM and Wilgy.

I'm switching my vote yo MM as well. There is still a chance Wilgy might be the cop.

Voting Wilgy

They both currently have two pressure votes. So she doesn't have more than him. And you are answering for more than just Sorsha. If I ask a question of someone and you jump in and answer it, I find that suspicious. Let them answer for themselves. I don't put much interest in WIFOM to be honest, it is an argument that could be argued to defend any side. Sometimes hearing someone's tone can make a difference in a read, which is why I wantd answers from them. But you've made it pointless now.

Turnip Head wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

What do you think of my retort to that notion? She could have hit a cop claimer and Wilgy would have looked just as bad.

I think you defeat the purpose of pressure votes when you answer on behalf of someone else.

I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

I'd like to hear it from him if you please. Wilgy, is MP your N1 cop claim, then?

MP, I disagree regarding Elo, her recent post regarding Llama makes me actually feel better about her. If she was just being opportunistic, she would have hung onto the two stronger cases rather than present a third.

Turnip Head wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

How did you reach the conclusion that MP is civ?

It's a Cop claim.

Did he say this earlier?

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

How did you reach the conclusion that MP is civ?

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

Turnip, did you give one peek or two?

Wait, I just saw Wilgy voted Sorsha. Wilgy, did you say why Sorsha?

I'm looking at the Sloonei voters from yesterday. Specifically Sorsha and MetalMarsh. I find TH's actions to seem pretty consistent with someone trying to "solve" the game. And G-Man has a couple green peeks on him so I am leaning towards trusting him. I'm going to move my vote over to Sorsha at the moment to share the pressure votes...

Elohcin wrote:and what about the rest of my playing that doesn't have anything to do with my thoughts on you? what do you think of me in light of all the other posts I've made that don't talk about you?

Well Gene, I feel like you are trying very hard.

Elohcin wrote:Getting ready to go look at wilgy, but I'd like as ask SD why she's voted for me. SD, you state that you find me suspicious and that it might be b/c I found you suspicious. That doesn't seem like a good reason and especially not reason enough to cast a vote on me. I just don't really understand your gameplay this time around. I'm not saying that it pings me and makes me think you're bad. But it does make me wonder what you're up to. Its as if your vote is a defensive tactic.

Seriously? Have you not read what I have been saying? I would not vote you simply because you suspected me. I acknowledge that there might be some amount of knee jerk reaction in there, but I gave a pretty clear explanation of what I find suspicious about you. Here is just one of my posts saying what I find suspicious about you; the one I think summarizes it best...

Spacedaisy wrote:I've gone back over Elo's post regarding me and I started to do in-line evaluations, but I realized it could all be simplified into two thoughts. Every suspicion was her just saying, "yeah she is suspicious for that" and to say my responses feel "ingenuine" when I answered the points brought up. The only suspicion of her own was because I was the last person to post a green peek she felt like I was faking it. She even started out saying someone would fake to cover for the cop, but in the end she said it "felt ingenuine" when I peeked. There is no answer to someone feeling like something is not an honest answer, especially when everything I have said was 100% genuine.

If you are asking me if I have a red peek on her, no I do not have a red peek on her. I am only going on my instincts where she is concerned. My gut is not liking what I saw last night. It overall looked incredibly opportunistic.

MP, good point regarding Dr. Wilgy...

LMAO, sorry TH. yes it was you and yes it is a very good point. If Wilgy was civ, then he would have been the kill that would have made the most sense for the baddies. Why didn't he die?

I've gone back over Elo's post regarding me and I started to do in-line evaluations, but I realized it could all be simplified into two thoughts. Every suspicion was her just saying, "yeah she is suspicious for that" and to say my responses feel "ingenuine" when I answered the points brought up. The only suspicion of her own was because I was the last person to post a green peek she felt like I was faking it. She even started out saying someone would fake to cover for the cop, but in the end she said it "felt ingenuine" when I peeked. There is no answer to someone feeling like something is not an honest answer, especially when everything I have said was 100% genuine.

If you are asking me if I have a red peek on her, no I do not have a red peek on her. I am only going on my instincts where she is concerned. My gut is not liking what I saw last night. It overall looked incredibly opportunistic.

MP, good point regarding Dr. Wilgy...

MP, can you explain why you have Elo and G-Man in blue? I have civ vibe from G-Man but not so much from Elo. It might be a knee jerk reaction to her suspecting me last night but I felt like there were two people who jumped on Turnip and MP putting pressure on me last night who seemed opportunistic and their suspicions seemed like reaching or manufacturing. One of those was Elo and the other was Sorsha. I don't know if Turnip legit suspects me or was just applying pressure like MP invited him to do. I don't find Turnip Head suspicious at the moment though.

Linki, well that's my answer. I'm sorry you don't like my rebuttal but it is my honest logical response to what seemed to me like an illogical "case" from Elo.

I didn't vote Llama, because I had not decided if I still suspect him more than someone else, or if I want to apply pressure elsewhere. I think at the moment, I feel more like I suspect Elo, so I'll put my vote there.

Turnip Head wrote:I mean, not voting on lynched civ wagons is like Baddie 101. It's weird that that's your go-to rebuttal.

My vote was cast well before the lynch was decided. When I cast my vote there were a couple other people with two votes. And no, it wasn't my reason for voting him. I gave you my reasoning for voting him. It is not until seeing how things went down later after the lynch was well over (I forgot to come back in and make a final decision about my vote because I missed the deadline while working late) that I thought it looks like it might be a save.

My point was that my vote being considered a case for suspicion makes no sense since I did not end up voting for the person who got lynched and in fact the person who did get lynched was proven civ, so how does my vote for someone other than sloonei = me being bad? I do not know llama's alignment, he could be civ yes. if he was lynched and proven bad, then that would be reason to come at me, but this is not the case we are discussing here, now is it?

Elohcin wrote:What made you look suspicious to me was that you came in after others had given green peeks and gave yet another one. Kind of like you could have been jumping on the green peek train to try and make yourself look good. Then I thought your explanation of it all seemed a little ingenuine. That's all. Alright...off to bed for me. I am going to hate myself in the morning for being up this late.

I can't control what you think of my explanation or of my peek. But giving a green peek doesn't make someone look good per se, baddies know who is good and who is bad. It is easy for a baddie to give a green peek so I fail to see why giving a green peek would buy me any cred.

as for who would make that kill I think it could be one extreme or another. Our established players from the LP/TP/PA groups don't have as much experience with closed set ups and the use/strategies in openly claiming cop and stating peeks. Therefore I think it could easily be someone who did not think through the idea of seer hunting. Or it could on the other hand be someone very familiar with it and thus the avoidance of killing someone who might result in seer hunt clear. But I find the latter type of person more likely, I just can't see any other good explanation for the kill.

I'm sorry, explain to me ELO how my not voting for the guy who got lynched and flipped civ looks suspicious? My vote ended on the guy who looked like he might have been saved, so Im not seeing the logic.

Sorsha, MP has never come out and said I was bad. If he believed I was bad, he would have. I am fairly certain he is applying pressure to see how I respond. I don't believe he is bad, and I have to agree that the phrasing of your question does look kind of heavy handed. You basically asked, do you think he is bad or that he thinks you are bad? The answer is neither.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I voted for that annoying voice over guy and gave him a hard time because of the same reason you guys are on me right now. I wanted to see what kind of reaction he would give. And I switched my vote because I decided to put pressure somewhere else. So I did, then I forgot when the vote ended and that was where my vote stayed as a result. But I don't mind. Remember lovedelic was my green peek, so why wouldn't I vote the same way he did?

You think I was annoying?

Why didn't you give that explanation earlier? Also, your last statement is quasi ex-post facto; you give a justification for being OK with your vote, when in reality you said you decided to apply pressure and then you forgot the vote ended so that's where your vote stayed.

So did you vote for thellama73 to put pressure on him, or because lovedelic did?

I also find it perplexing you don't mention Sloonei at all. You had no thoughts on any players, including him or llama?

Both are true. I voted him to put pressure on him and was ok with it as well because lovedelic was already there. Plus two votes applies more pressure than one.

Regarding the outcome of the pressure on MP, I was satisfied yes and I still am. I don't think he is bad. He is probably applying pressure to me now to decide what he thinks of me.

I had no read on sloonei, and I don't particularly trust llama. In the end a civ was lynched, so it makes me question if there was a save in play.

Why did I not use role play as justification to vote sloonei? Because my particular point against MP was that he was using the role he had chosen to role play as an excuse to get away with just recapping rather than adding significant input to the conversation. I no longer feel like he is doing that.

I voted for that annoying voice over guy and gave him a hard time because of the same reason you guys are on me right now. I wanted to see what kind of reaction he would give. And I switched my vote because I decided to put pressure somewhere else. So I did, then I forgot when the vote ended and that was where my vote stayed as a result. But I don't mind. Remember lovedelic was my green peek, so why wouldn't I vote the same way he did?

Yeah, that's what I meant, emanci-whatever you said. Whatever gets me away from my self absorbed mother. anyway, who do you suspect?

Well that's just great, now my dad's dead and I'm stuck with my mother, I wonder if I could get emaciated. Move out on my own...

Hey GMan, I hear that new French cousins movie is playing, you want to catch the matinee? Might give us the chance to talk about who you think might be bad.

thellama73 wrote:

G-Man wrote:Hey Dad, I know you're usually too busy for this kind of thing but I need some father-to-son advice. There's this girl that I want to impress. Should I vote the way she votes or vote to get rid of someone who is hogging her attention but clearly not good for her?

Listen to your uncle, George Michael. The way to get girls to like you is to be mean to them and get their self-esteem nice and low. Maybe you should vote for her a couple of times.

llama

G-Man wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

lovedelic wrote:rico stop being an idiot for a minute please, i need to think

She'll need more than just a minute.

I'm voting MP because I think it's too easy for him to hide behind the guise of the narrator to just recap rather than add anything. Speaking of adding, George Michael, can you help me with my math homework?

Oh, sure! I'd do anything for you, Maeby.

That's great! Then I'll just leave it here with you to finish for me, I've got big plans with Rick Oche tonight so I can't really do it myself. You're the best!

lovedelic wrote:rico stop being an idiot for a minute please, i need to think

She'll need more than just a minute.

I'm voting MP because I think it's too easy for him to hide behind the guise of the narrator to just recap rather than add anything. Speaking of adding, George Michael, can you help me with my math homework?

Maybe subtlety isn't the point, maybe the more people who state a peek the harder it is for the baddies to know who the real cop is.

Anyway, I'll be quiet for a while, I've got school to go to. I'd play hookie but I already did that all of December and no one cared. Well technically the principal called my parents, butt my mom started the phone and thought he was hitting on her so she just ended up with a date and now I can get much do what I want at school, which is annoying because it totally ruins the whole point of rebelling in the first place. This sucks.

And my day 0 green peek was lovedelic.

Ricochet wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:After a quick search on my character, this is going to be impossible without getting replaced for non-participation. No one can even remember by name.

You wanna make out?

If she doesn't, I'm game! We can even go back to my place, not like my parents notice anything I do anyway...