The Syndicate

I think I moved my vote to DH as a counterwagon and Turbup was already there. Turbup’s wisdom prevailed.

DH's lynch was totally justified by a vague, gut feeling I had that I couldn't articulate and immediately backed off from.

Charlie Blackmon lives on.

I don't trust myself to have extra votes, so I never used that one, but glad to have been of service.

Fun game, Epi — can't believe it's over already, but I'll take it.

Yeah, probably not, but it'd be funny if they did.

What are the odds of the scum forfeiting their nightkill so that we look like dunces and waste a day lynching Enrique (if he is not bad)?

Sig bears more inspection. I had bad feelings about him a little while ago.

Guaranteeing a civ lynch would be pretty severe. It’s not impossible but sounds unlikely.

I’m guessing it’s a Lost reference.

Eloh claimed to be the poll manipulator, which I think is viewed as more likely to be town than mafia.

I looked at the list of today’s offerings and initially thought, “Wow, I could lynch all 3!” I don’t feel that way now, but I can see a townie having done this. Seems OP if a scum could ensure no scum get lynched.

Lynching speed after all this effort feels crass.

Neat!

I’m all for vigging Epignosis, personally.

Even if he can’t vote, though, a civ Enri buys us time closer to endgame, if it comes down to that.

I dunno. I can go either way on that.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:37 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 am Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?
No why would you do that

Why wouldn’t we? An “extra lynch” is more data to analyze, etc. Do you trust Kyle more than you trust a bunch of other people put together?

Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am We can use the 1-shot as a sort of extra lynch

Not a bad idea

I don’t think you’re lying Sprit but my point is there is nowhere in that message saying the mafia want to lynch nijuu. They want to block her. In fact, not lynching nijuu would probably be smarter for whoever said that because they want their target to sound reasonably suspicious, and assuming niju is town, that flip tanks that.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:52 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:29 pm Like if anyone else can explain what sprit means, I genuinely don't understand what I'm supposed to understand here.
N1 the mafia (jay) made plans to vote nijuu and get her mislynched

you both voted her day 2 so that's where it came from

Where does it say that in the N1 snippet you posted?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:14 pm Night4: "They’re going to hate my Elohcin vote! Fun"

And what the fuck does this mean? Hate it because it confuses us? Hate it because it's off-wagon? I feel like this is a huge clue.

I feel like if Chuck was bad he'd have a lot more fire in him than to look at the poll and say "Well, AMA" but maybe not.

What game is The Conductor from? Is that the flavor text guy from Retro?

It's not that important tbh, don't let it distract you from actual hunting/deciding to lynch whomever

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:33 pm He's a spy variant that gets a (random?) message each night from the baddies btsc.

N1 -> A baddie mentioning they'll block niju -> clearing her
N2 -> baddie mentioning putting two votes on LC -> clearing him

and so on...

No, I get this. I don't see how a suspicion of me is to be derived from here unless sprit's thinking is

> scum mention nijuu in BTSC
> Colin talks about nijuu and wanting to lynch her
QED Colin is scum

and if that's the case I say sprit, baby, what is you doing

Like if anyone else can explain what sprit means, I genuinely don't understand what I'm supposed to understand here.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:40 pm @ColinIsCool do you see why I suspected you and jay on day2 now?

No, I don't. I don't see what my suspicion of Niju has to do with anything you posted, quite frankly.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:27 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:16 pm That N3 looks like sig to me
Nay alas I'm all alone in this big wide game with no chats.

Also ignore Nova and relcock town me. I'm the towniest town that ever did town. I was one of the first to jump on board and then push for a Luna lynch when many players were attempting to clear her and I helped to convince multiple people who are now lock town that Luna should be voted for.

I think the questions re speed is do we believe his claim, does believing his claim make him a civ, and would three mafia members all be on a counterwagon to Luna? If she was saved it would've been very helpful, but based off what we've seen the mafia have been bussing each other so I'm unsure there.

Food for though, do we think we've got a seemer role going on and/or the assassin makes everyone they kill flip mafia? Maybe i'm just being paranoid, but it seems like we've been way to lucky this game.

We've already established that Luna was bussed. How does voting for her make you town?

I’d like a claim too.

Unsurprisingly my vote is definitely not final. In particular more discussion about the numbers (and whether or not you think DH slipped his team size) would be good.

[VOTE: KYLE] aubergine

Giving serious consideration to the idea that there are no more mafia members per DH’s numbers, I don’t think speed and sprit look particularly hostile indie. Something about Kyle, though — his under-the-radarness — makes me think he’s the best shot.

Juliets, this is what I was referring to. I don’t think I’m wrong but maybe?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:01 pm In MK which Epi hosted my role was to steal the role of our first victim who was sloonei and his role fake flipped. Maybe epi is using that? But thats not how the fake flip worked though iirc, wouldn't really make sense this way. Idk.

Not a bad point SVS.

I’m stopping at page 33 to do some work and also because I’m at the point where everything is deepwolf tinfoil. The bad thing about having so many scum caught on competing wagons is that you can’t figure out a damn thing.

Does scum speed defend a teammate vociferously?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:29 pm @sig

Each lynched mafia says "A member of THE mafia." There is a possibility for two scumteams, but that phrase makes it sound unlikely. I've seen more Epi games with lots of indies and one scumteam than anything else.

Luna seems anti-aligned with Quin. Luna seems anti-aligned with DH. Luna was the alternate to a mafia lynch two or three times already. Luna, like you, is/has been a common mislynch target.

And on top of all that, I have no idea just WHY you're scumreading her. I've seen nothing out of the ordinary that would point to Luna being scum. She's been opportunistic, hasty, hasn't always made sense in voicing some of her suspicions... That's all normal.

It's not that we're dropping her for no reason. We have several reasons to drop her, and basically none to keep on her.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:55 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:56 pmsig is bad.
Could be on to something. Let's get some reactions.
Makes no sense, I was one of the first people to back up Mac's theory and advocated for lynching dh all phase. The only non civ thing I've done would be my push for sloonie, but I believed that was best.

Tomorrow we should lynch Luna I still believe she's not civ I think the mafia was stuck between a. rock and a hard place with the lynch today and attempted to distance the two while low key attempting to switch the lynch.

I think we have 3 more mafia members among them nutella, Luna, and one other who's probably been lying low.

Both nutella and Luna attempted to redirect the wagon onto Jay and after a quick skim I think the argument between DH and nutella seemed fake.

IF sig is bad, he wastes no time jumping on Luna.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:23 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:48 pm Well that explains the werewolf thing. Fuckin called it. Shang Tsung was a great role.
Would a scum nutella tip her hand by talking about a role she knows is in the game before it flips?
But she posted this AFTER the flip. Am I misunderstanding you?

She talked about Shang Tsung when Long Con first dumped his wound

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:19 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:16 am That rankles me a LOT.
Colin, what rankles you a lot? DH's listing 4 names instead of 5?

Yeah. Would he name 4 scum because he is limited by who he can realistically suspect, or because that’s how big his team is?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:48 pm Well that explains the werewolf thing. Fuckin called it. Shang Tsung was a great role.

Would a scum nutella tip her hand by talking about a role she knows is in the game before it flips?

That rankles me a LOT.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:44 pm TFW the Mafia is TH/Nut/Luna/Quin and nobody cares.

Goddamnit lemme get back to playing SWTOR and not having to deal with yall :P

DH has listed 4 names here, not 5.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:18 pm Getting shit on by an obvious baddie team because they know I'd fuck their whole day up is cool and good and when I flip you guys will lynch Nutella and Luna.

Or you won't I guess. Lmao.

Cool that Nutella keeps blatantly saving her teammate and nobody gives two fucks but that's just me.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:53 pm What's also great is, mafia can opt to kill me, someone who has no suspicion on them. so it's obviously gonna be a mafia kill.

which then solidifies my claims

rather have two confirmed town (or maybe indy idk) to help with the POE process

I like this look for sprit tbh. This is me ranting about why I wanted to get NKed in Hogwarts as a civ.

Ask if sprit’s confusion here looks genuine. I think it does.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:43 pm Ok, something is going on here, and I have to share it because it's an open-info game, and because it's getting relevant. I started this lynch with two extra votes. I got wounded last night.

So, first off, put that in your lynch result calculations. If you maybe don't want me lynched, which would be great, then I might need a little extra love.

But it goes further than that, I was looking back over some posts, and I looked at Mac's death and role reveal again:

The One-Hour Werewolf
During the Night, you exhibit lycanthrope for exactly one hour and ravage the town and mafia alike. During the Night, in a one hour window, you will use your feral sense to sniff out a lie (you may lie detect one thing said in that window), use your heightened hearing and sight to learn who targeted whom during that hour, and scratch and claw at someone who posts during that time (he or she will begin the next Day with two votes due to wounds).

Mac was dead already during Night 2, when I got the wounds. I think what this means is that we have a role that can copy the powers of the dead. Maybe it's one of the people voting for me. Maybe it's nijuu, who is so enigmatic about her vote. (or is she vote-forced?)

It would really work for me if a role that uses dead player abilities was usually a baddie role, but I guess it's kind of neutral. In A World Reborn, the Grim Shaman was a baddie and had that power, as I recall. I see it as a better power for baddies to have. Makes more sense - they can kill cool roles for the sole purpose of harvesting their powers. Actually, that's a good point - if you reveal YOUR role/ability in the thread, they might want to harvest YOU! srsly tho

If some Civvie used the Werewolf power last night, then they have the potential to have lie-detected someone and detected targeting as well.
That is very interesting, especially given the two FORCED votes on TH yesterday.

It doesn't mean much regarding your alignment, but it does kinda make me want to move my vote.

linki: !?! weirdness
Wait what about two forced votes? I missed this somehow

Please explain further because it could really help our situation

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:06 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:59 am I know we can’t lynch her today, but keeping in mind how hard DH went after Luna ...

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:46 pm Anybody else think its cool and good that something always seems to pull nutella off of the very serious and totally legitimate suspicion she has of Luna? Kinda funny when you think about it. I mean, wow. Wild.
... is this a good look for nutella?
But didn't nutella's vote ultimately clinch the Luna lynch?

I guess you have to ask yourself how willing you think these folks are to bus each other.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:25 pm [VOTE: dharmahelper] aubergine

"just asking questions is all" vibe does not make me feel good about him

This is the crucial vote that made me townread cbob, for those asking earlier. Although it could have been calculated, reading back, he still sounds good.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:16 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:09 pm @speedchuck @nijuukyugou Do you have reasons for voting Long Con other than Colin doesn't trust him?
Yes.

So nijuu and speed look to be in best position to want ti take advantage of Long Con’s wound

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:50 am What's the suspicion on Long Con?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:34 am I think Luna is town personally. She's being really opportunistic right now, and not jive-ing with peoples' logic, and that's... pretty normal IMO. Scum Luna is usually more reserved and careful.

But I've established my track record as being bad at reading Luna.

Hedging intensifies

I know we can’t lynch her today, but keeping in mind how hard DH went after Luna ...

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:46 pm Anybody else think its cool and good that something always seems to pull nutella off of the very serious and totally legitimate suspicion she has of Luna? Kinda funny when you think about it. I mean, wow. Wild.

... is this a good look for nutella?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:33 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:31 pm I don’t want to complicate matters unnecessarily if I can avoid it, but in the interest of solving: my ability was a one-shot self-protection that I used in anticipation of a nightkill last night. Whether or not you think the mafia tried to kill me is up to you, but I suppose it’s possible they failed when there would have been two kills.
there hasnt been a double kill yet so why would it happen now?

Even-night SK + the mafia kill failed Night 2 somehow too

I don’t want to complicate matters unnecessarily if I can avoid it, but in the interest of solving: my ability was a one-shot self-protection that I used in anticipation of a nightkill last night. Whether or not you think the mafia tried to kill me is up to you, but I suppose it’s possible they failed when there would have been two kills.

I mean, I know I’m not mafia so if you lynch me I should flip civ. But then again, I can’t die today anyway.

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