The Syndicate

I had one job and still couldn’t close!

Good game everyone. Thanks to our lovely hosts for handling this great clusterfuck, I hope the first timers stick around.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:53 pm You guys, my dad died tonight. He had a large aneurysm that was inoperable. They were able to give him morphine so he wasn't in pain when he lost consciousness. I am so sad but need distraction so I won't pull out of the game. Thanks for your thoughts.

So sorry to read that juliets. Sending love.

It’s not 112 guys, Radishes or bust imo.

Apparently.

Vote me!

Actually nah cmon 112 was the counterwagon D1.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:53 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:50 pm [VOTE: Radishes] aubergine
Colin, you just set yourself up for Lynch. Why are you voting Radishes all of a sudden?

Idk [VOTE: 112] aubergine

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

Taking applications for hot potato candidates

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

If Pawn and Quin can’t be wolves then imo it has to be either 112 or LLD

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:25 pm I bet Jack is scum.
I didn't see it in my ISO but I'm listening if you are seeing something I am not.

Nah I don’t, I’m just causing a scene.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:53 pm lol forgot pawn was alive

juliets- leaning colin for my vote, but it's up in the air

Why not you instead?

I bet Jack is scum.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine gets a No U

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:52 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:45 pm Pawn or Radishes imho.
As 3P or wolf and why?

I still think Radishes is 3p but Pawn has kinda pinged me going all the way back to the early days. Some of the effort felt forced.

I mean, it’s Quin. He’s sketchy.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:40 pm @ColinIsCool - why did you vote quin last round again?

I don’t remember

Pawn or Radishes imho.

Haven’t read anything but I reeeeeeeally don’t think Mac blows up Epi knowing his flip

Quin is always there, but not, in a menacing sort of way. I won’t be home or on WiFi until after after EOD so [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Folks I apologize profusely but I'm currently travelling for work and the WiFi at this airport is currently not amenable to me participating today. I'll do what I can before EOD tomorrow but I don't get back in until after midnight so it won't be much.

I think we might have gotten all the scum off the 112 wagon. I don’t think Jack would’ve bussed and set himself up to be discovered as such.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Can’t make up my mind about Long Con so. The hand-wavey “only Colin believes I’m 3p” bullshit is, well, demonstrably bullshit and I’m not gonna stand by and watch it happen. If you want us to think you’re a townie you’re better off not trying to distort reality.

Furthermore: I looked at the role list earlier and saw confirmation of an Independent Cop. Presumably, they’d be breadcrumbing if they found an indie. And I can’t think of anybody else who has come under real suspicion as a 3P but Radishes.

Hell, Radishes has been a suspect for so long that it’s almost guaranteed that the cop checked them, imo. If he’s not the 3P then the cop should be making up a better defense or directing us to someone else because otherwise they’ve let this get out of hand.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:57 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:44 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:16 am for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.
He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.
I don’t think it matters what Eva flipped as. The entire association with Eva, followed by killing her, immediately leads you to your conclusion (except I don’t see a world where Radishes is lynched if Eva flips town). It’s a savvy move by a savvy player but you got fooled bud.
So you’re saying my logic is totally sound so Radish made a wifom play?

Fine. That explains why you discount my townread.

Now why is he 3P?

Well, he’s probably not scum if he killed Eva, is he?

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine for now.

I think iaafr is one of my top townreads after seeing his latest spate of posts .... what’s become of me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:44 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:16 am for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.
He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

I don’t think it matters what Eva flipped as. The entire association with Eva, followed by killing her, immediately leads you to your conclusion (except I don’t see a world where Radishes is lynched if Eva flips town). It’s a savvy move by a savvy player but you got fooled bud.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:36 am i am resisting the urge to tunnel colin at the same time and i think its probably wrong to tunnel colin. one at a time. long con is the target.

I gotta say you are ... looking townier than I thought you would at this juncture.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:31 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:29 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:15 am but yeah dead epi + dead dom is screaming to me to sus mac, since they both did

isnt really an issue to me that they tunneled me, they dont know me

they know mac

he should die
Epi literally called me a fool from the grave. If he didn't die with a townread on me he died very much reconsidering his suspicion.
what? he deadposted game related content??????
He posted a gif calling someone (obviously me) a fool.
whys bringing this up a thing tho this feels so gross man

Epi does it every time he’s mislynched, it wasn’t directly to Mac.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:19 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:46 am The biggest point im trying to drive home is one of juliets/LC/TL are mafia if there were always 3 mafia in the reality level of the game

Otherwise they are all town.
longcon is still the scummiest between these 3 imo

but idk maybe i need to re-eval TL

I think I agree with this. His vote for Epi just ... stunk to high heaven.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:20 pm I wonder... 112 being the Dragomir counterwagon and Jack being the only person left alive that voted for 112. Feels like a thing that matters.

Yes

I don’t think a wolf-Mac sells out against Epi knowing full well he’s going to look foolish as a result.

Juliets feels real to me right now, believing that the opposite^ is true. I disagree but I believe she believes it.

TLib has felt pretty good to me I guess but I haven’t seen a lot.

I don’t townread anyone else. 112’s vote was scummy, LC’s pinged me hard, Radishes is obviously content to just kill anyone who isn’t him (see him teeing me up right before EOD when I am pretty fucking clearly town to everybody else?), and iaafr has eluded the vote for like a trillion days and counting.

I wanna hear more about sprit’s group of 3 theory.

[VOTE: Iaafr] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:13 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:39 am
Spoiler: show
Below shows how each stage started on their specific day. Let's assume that Mafia were required to keep one player in each stage because yknow it's Inception and they sent 4 players into the dream and that the mafia role list on the front is complete. 6 mafia total. That would mean the only 3 players that never left reality are town. That would also mean 4 of the players in the dream are mafia, one of which was Evenstar. that makes it a weird split as well.

Alternatively it was a 3-3 reality to dream scenario. there is one player in juliets/LC/TL that is mafia, one mafia in Stage 1 and one mafia in stage 2 that we havent found. Evenstar was the mafia in stage 3. im confident the setup wouldnt be any more convoluted then that.

Reality:

juliets
Long Con
Trustworthy Liberal
-----------------
Benson
DFaraday
vanity.
Creature
Elephant
nutella
Spiny Creature / boo
Hyena
----------
Dragomir
TonyStarkPrime
Texas Cloverleaf

Stage 1:
112
Epignosis
iaafr
Jackofhearts2005
Lady LambdaDelta
MacDougall
Master Radishes
Pawn Lelouch
Quin
Rej / ColinIsCool
sprityo
-------
Evenstar
Michelle
Dom
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
novaselinenever

Stage 2:
ColinIsCool (Rej)
Epignosis
iaafr
Jackofhearts2005
Master Radishes
Pawn Lelouch
sprityo
--------
Evenstar
Dom

Stage 3:
Master Radishes
sprityo
--------
Evenstar

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:46 am The biggest point im trying to drive home is one of juliets/LC/TL are mafia if there were always 3 mafia in the reality level of the game

Otherwise they are all town.
@Quin @iaafr @MacDougall @Pawn Lelouch @ColinIsCool @Trustworthy Liberal @112 @Lady LambdaDelta

This is interesting but I have no idea which among those 3 it would be.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:05 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:20 am @Syndicaters - is Epi's reaction here normal for his meta? I mean his whole 'civilians are fucked, there's no one here, you guys are playing the game wrong, just rememebr this after I die' diatribe. Because normally when I see that sort of reaction to someone's impending lynch, they're mafia trying to fake emotion they feel looks genuine.
"Hello. I'm Master Radishes. I'm full of shit and not a civilian but trying to influence the outcome of this in my own best interest."

+1

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:47 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:03 am Why aren’t we going back to Evenstar’s “mechanical” clearing of iaafr? How does that not make iaafr look terrible?
Are you talking about her assertion that he was the double voter? iaafr says she was pocketing him. Do you think that's possible?

I’m more talking about iaafr just rolling with it and using it for cover.

Plus if we have a scumteam that includes both iaafr and Eve then they would look SO bad if Epi were a NK. I feel like lynching iaafr helps me solve more and more of the game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:04 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:57 pm Or are you saying the only ones who are left alive are Jack and me?
Yeah that. I wasn’t around obviously so I don’t know anything about vote order and the like.

I could be way off base but from my POV it’s noteworthy that at least two scum coordinated onto 112. Might be prudent to consider that it really was, or at least became, a counterwagon.
I won't argue this point. My goal would be to preserve the Godfather.

Evenstar's goal was too, but she acted like it was stupid and fought me on it. I can produce the interaction if you need it. It's already in here somewhere.

No, I was there for that, I remember.

Why aren’t we going back to Evenstar’s “mechanical” clearing of iaafr? How does that not make iaafr look terrible?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:57 pm Or are you saying the only ones who are left alive are Jack and me?

Yeah that. I wasn’t around obviously so I don’t know anything about vote order and the like.

I could be way off base but from my POV it’s noteworthy that at least two scum coordinated onto 112. Might be prudent to consider that it really was, or at least became, a counterwagon.

The remaining players who voted for 112 are Epi and Jack in case anyone was wondering.

I checked up on the Dragomir lynch results before you wrote that. Nobody on his wagon has flipped scum, but 2 of the people on 112’s have. Granted I buy that Radishes is 3P but seems like there might’ve been an organized counterwagon there even if you say you didn’t try to campaign for it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:45 pm I have barely spent any time with juliets in this game. I can see where you’re coming from in your post Epi but it’s not enough for me to condemn her.
Then do your own goddamn research. It's Day 7. Make an independent decision on her.

Oh, you.

I have barely spent any time with juliets in this game. I can see where you’re coming from in your post Epi but it’s not enough for me to condemn her.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:38 pm Alas, critical thinking is dead.

Christ I tried.

Are you sure? It might have just moved down a dream level

I do wonder though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:21 pm
1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

That last part about making an effort. We all know how good Epi is at Mafia. Does anybody see a universe where he’d get lynched on D1, even if by design? I don’t think I do so the point rings false.

Mac’s big case against Epi is persuasive but I just don’t see it. I don’t have a lot of experience with scum Epi but I don’t think he gets into it with rabbit as ... thoroughly as he did if he KNOWS they’re on opposite sides (assuming town rabbit in this scenario because otherwise it’d be the best teammate fight I’ve ever seen). I don’t even recall whatever the Dom stuff is so that’s not a factor.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:48 pm Am I the only one still scumreading Rabbit?

No

Mac and Epi fighting is just like the one time my parents got a divorce

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