The Syndicate

great game jack I enjoyed it

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:54 pmAnd for the record, Kites, I've been directing you wherever I want every night since you were recruited into badguyia. Secondary power. Frustrating that you THOUGHT you targeted Kylemii, and it just happened to almost get me killed.

btw what was up with the sig’s brother thing? i would have gone after nutella for sure if it hadn’t come up

i hope nutella comes back in time. she shouldn’t be mafia because if there’s 2 scum it’s sig

i guess the backup plan in case sig does a last minute vote change is to vote the bob asap. the suspense is killing meee

guys i have an idea

speedchuck stole nutella’s vote yeah?

so kites bob nutella vote for speed

speed and sig vote bob

if speed stole nutella vote he couldn’t have killed kyle and bob dies as scum. if speed killed kyle he didn’t steal nutella’s vote and speed dies as scum

but then again this can only work if there is 1 scum left so... thoughts?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:11 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:55 pm bob made this civ move first thing the day started but speed is just trying to spread sig wifom

What do you think the deal with Sig is? His story doesn't match what we've seen?
I think you're town. You are doing us a disservice by completely ignoring recent developments and pushing a conclusion hours early.

i think sig is town and he i believe he is telling the truth. i mean it’s kinda absurd he would lie and come up with this mafia brother thing after jack for some reason sent sig to rico’s army. something must have triggered this event to happen. Actions that happened on nights prior the latest night are unclear now, so Im looking at the events of last night. if sig is telling the truth, there is 1 mafia left and that is kyle’s killer and that’s either you and bob, and i believe you’re better choice to lynch, that’s it. even if sig is lying, you or bob killed kyle

sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:12 pm I'll be in and out until 5ish

@Kites Explain your Speed vote to me please

And I'd like everyone's thoughts on Nutella. She's pretty much gone afk this phase and her last minute vote for rdw the other phase doesn't look good also explain mechanically how she can't be mafia.

In writing my last few posts I've talked myself into a Bob lynch, I'll be willing to switch, but I need some other players feedback into his posts these last few days.

[VOTE: Bob] aubergine

i was sure that nutella was scum before you revealed this mafia brother thing, it messed everything up. we can’t be sure if kenway was bad or not, or if there’s 1 or 2 scum left, so the best thing to do is go after kyle’s killer and only two people could have killed him last night, bob or speed, and speed is being scummier imo

bob made this civ move first thing the day started but speed is just trying to spread sig wifom

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:55 pm I used my guide last night on nutella, with the understanding that Kenway reversed it.

Since Kites targeted Kyle, and I know I'm not mafia...

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

also this

Kites wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:01 pm lynch has been inexplicably redirected twice to a person speedchuck voted

first drwhite
then first life of iron dwarf, but speedchuck actually tried to change his vote to sig but he didn’t do it in time

i bet he has a power he hasn’t told us about, neither of those lynches were possible based on what we know.

dude if you’re town you would have voted for bob already cos you’d know that you’re town and he was the only person able to make the kill

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

kenway didn’t reverse anything because he died before doing the action

if kenway was scum he couldn’t have killed kyle because sig is faster. I know that nutella and sig couldn’t have killed kyle because i targeted him

so it was either bob or speed

sig changed side last night like the night post tells you

[VOTE: unvote] auberginehmm okay it seems to be more complicated than i thought

i don’t believe any of the scum would flip as town, i mean both of them are still alive in the night post

speedchuck and nutella trying to take advantage of sig’s confusion

why is there confusion about the number of scum?
we are at 3-2

pinky is nutella
ring is speed or bob, actually leaning towards speed now

sig has been kept alive because nutella misdirects him to get extra kills

[mention]sig[/mention] your target wasn’t kenway right? i mean you really wanted to kill nutella

lynch has been inexplicably redirected twice to a person speedchuck voted

first drwhite
then first life of iron dwarf, but speedchuck actually tried to change his vote to sig but he didn’t do it in time

nutella is scum
but im torn between bob and speedchuck

sig isn’t scum because the sprityo kill wouldn’t be possible then

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:54 pmSo our options are:
Me/nutella (nutella MDs kenway)
Nutella/speed (nutella MDs gwil, speed kills)

Does that look correct?

removed the impossible options which leaves just two

actually I’ll change my mind, because speedchuck can be bad too, also ring has a sword and both bob and speedchuck have a sword (you may think this is bullshit, but thumb wielded an axe and iron_dwarf had an axe)

nutella is the safest choice and certainly scum
[[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I am 100% sure bob is scum now and absolutely nothing can make me change my vote anymore

I’m also kinda sure nutella is his team mate

@speedchuck whose vote did you steal

I targeted kyle. Nutella and sig didnt kill him

Bob is ring imo

[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

yooo guys this is bad are we at lylo now

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:14 am In case i die tonight.

Nutella, speed, and kites are on my short list of scum. In that order. Rdw flip makes me think speed is slightly better.

If all else fails look at kenway

first you tryna be my mate and then accuse me of being a scummer

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:05 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:48 pm sig i don’t think you’re bad really, maybe it’s because your kill count is so low, anyways I don’t feel like lynching you

and yes i’ve wanted to lynch nutella for a while, i think she’s pinky

and i think ring is a horse rider, so it’s bob or kenway

but i need to think about this because i’m not sure about speedchuck either

Why do you think ring is a horse rider? Are you referring to flavor text or mechanics?

This

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:32 am

Kites wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:31 pm anyways I didn’t allow fliers to target sprityo so nutella and sig didn’t do that if i wasnt misdirected

I am a doctor. I protected spirityo. So barring shenanigans only a horseman could have performed the kill.

But I forgot kenway targeted bob, meaning no one could have made the kill if kenway is telling the truth

so... either kenway is lying and he killed sprityo and his team mate is unknown
or kenway didn’t target bob and bob did the kill

or everyone was telling the truth and mafia had one member (nutella) to misdirect one of the protectors and the other to do the kill. in this case bob isn’t able to misdirect

gwilikers was misdirected by nutella - anyone could have killed sprityo except sig

kites was misdirected by nutella - not possible. nutella said she did it but it isn’t possible (i think it’s a lie, which is always suspicious)

kenway was misdirected by nutella - bob killed sprityo



yeah so I’m looking at 3 names now, kenway, bob and nutella

sig i don’t think you’re bad really, maybe it’s because your kill count is so low, anyways I don’t feel like lynching you

and yes i’ve wanted to lynch nutella for a while, i think she’s pinky

and i think ring is a horse rider, so it’s bob or kenway

but i need to think about this because i’m not sure about speedchuck either

oh I just noticed the day had ended already

Kites wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:32 am misdirections and additional kills would be the most useful for mafia yeah? nutella or sig

okay doctoring is useful for protecting a team mate (kyle)
bob can mess with MD and block
kenway has a vig and indirect way to kill, tricky to actually land a kill

or think the other way around
speedchuck, rdw and kites’ powers are the most useless for mafia

meant to say nutella OR sig
i dont think they both are mafia

misdirections and additional kills would be the most useful for mafia yeah? nutella and sig

also makes me think rdw is maybe not scum cos I think his team mate would be a horse rider too but maybe I’m overthinking

mafia night kills
1 - pointer
2 - ring
3 - critical kills but no mafia kill
4 - no kills at all
5 - thumb
6 - thumb
7 - not specified, could be any of thumb/ring/pinky
8 - ring
9 - ring


this would make you think pinky has a power that’s useful for mafia because she doesn’t do the kills

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:35 pm why would we care about who ring is?

Because we all get RBd if we lynch him, and he gets a free kill with no chance of us learning anything. It's not a huge consideration, but it's a consideration.

we came to conclusion that ring is likely a horse rider because fliers and foot people couldn’t have killed sprityo based on our actions

so i wanted to lynch rdw on day 9 thinking he was ring, but no one got roleblocked on the night so I’m not sure anymore. of course we don’t know if ring needs to die for his power to trigger, it’s jack’s decision. still it makes me wanna think rdw is not ring but rdw could still be mafia, and it would mean that the remaining mafia team consists of two horse riders maybe

Kites wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:00 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:19 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:44 pm i have given away all my night actions here after every night so nutella tracking on me doesn’t prove anythin

hmmmm which happened first on the day in question? it's important

me - day 4
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 36#p413336
nutella didn’t mention it until day 8
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p420743

sorry wrong quote
day 5
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 53#p415553
the point still stands

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:19 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:44 pm i have given away all my night actions here after every night so nutella tracking on me doesn’t prove anythin

hmmmm which happened first on the day in question? it's important

me - day 4
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 36#p413336
nutella didn’t mention it until day 8
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p420743

i have given away all my night actions here after every night so nutella tracking on me doesn’t prove anythin

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:44 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:55 am that's actually a good look. Nutella wouldn't have known gwils actual target if she'd already promoted, (unless she lied about what her promotion changes were?)

Other way round. Kites targeted gwil. @Kites can you confirm please?

n4? yes I did target gwil, not sure what youre asking here

@nutella did you send an action at all?

i know that according to the plan you weren’t supposed to do anything but now I’m thinking if you had used your power on rdw for instance you could confirm if bob blocked you

the only thing that’s sure is that nutella and rdw aren’t scum together

i still think nutella did something shady on night 8 and lied that she targeted me

yeah bob blocked her last night, meaning she didn’t send the kill last night, but everyone knew bob was gonna block her so obviously she wouldn’t send the kill

all our moves were there for mafia to read so if there was a way to screw it up, it was done

if a horse rider or flier killed gwilly, he would die before doing his reverse doctor action, right?

did anyone fail?

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] promoted nutella misdirects every night

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:13 pm btw if rdw is ring, will everyone get roleblocked now that he is being lynched even though he doesn’t die?

what do you think, would this happen?

btw if rdw is ring, will everyone get roleblocked now that he is being lynched even though he doesn’t die?

ok so I guess we go with the plan
do i target gwil or kyle to stop fliers messing with this

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 12#p421212
uh well not exactly it wsn’t about sig but nutella being responsible for the kills nvm

anyways i think none of the vigs claimed responsibility for sending a kill attempt when mac died so it was probs mafia and possibly nutella

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:27 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:09 pm @Kenway @speedchuck @rundontwalk Thoughts?

This is a pretty interesting point, but I have a couple of questions.

1. Does nutella's crit chance matter to this theory? I noticed you linked the two.
2. It's very possible that there is a mafia misdirection ability that, like Ring's roleblock thing, is hidden behind the scenes. What points you specifically to nutella?

Also, why bring this up now instead of days ago?

I did bring it up but bob got defensive and we never talked about it again

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:59 am I didn't hear anything about my action failing

it’s not possible for you to target me unless i was roleblocked but then I’d get notified

of course you could get misdirected but what are the chances of that

this plan involves so many people it’s not reliable. i can protect either kyle or gwil but not both from nutella

if you go with the kill plan you just need to protect the vig

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:11 am

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:08 am in case rdw is scum he just lets his teammate do the kill so you can’t clear him so you gotta try to kill if you go with this plan

we know that ring can’t mess with it but pinky’s secret power is a mystery

The plan was to try and use a reverse doctor to kill RDW, right?

If he doesn't die from elfire, that makes him town

oh okay I understand

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:05 am Do we know that if a misdirect fails, the player gets a failed message back? I’m tempted to vote for Nutella based on her claim that she misdirected Kites.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:29 am4) I will not tell you if you were misdirected. I will tell you if your action failed

in case rdw is scum he just lets his teammate do the kill so you can’t clear him so you gotta try to kill if you go with this plan

we know that ring can’t mess with it but pinky’s secret power is a mystery

it could be nutella and rdw yeah