The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:33 am I’m satisfied to know I got everyone on the mafia team besides DH

Should’ve done the old “mafia gets priority replacements arguement” because it’s 90% true always

Also I’m dissapointed st the lack of activity the happened this game. I thought the setup itself was great Epi

But yeah I don’t even care but I’m gonna say it, it’s super shitty the mafia team laid low the entire game and DH basically had to carry them.

I really want to hear Speedchucks thing about inactives

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:48 pm Luna, any last words?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:07 pm @Lunalee did you suspect sloonei before it became a you or him thing?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:04 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:47 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:46 pm Anyone down for a quick Nova wagon?

Honestly, I'd rather lynch Sloonei today. Still don't feel good about the dude, and starting to suspect him more than I did Nova.

what is it specifically about sloonei that makes you want to lynch him?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:14 pm On my phone, so I don’t feel like dealing with the formatting of multi-quotes, but I’m responding to Dyslexicon here.

sprityo and luna are the players I feel most strongly about as potential baddies on my bandwagon. I’ve omitted Luna from that category thus far because my suspicion of her preceded today’s developments, but that she’s slid her way into this bandwagon is further evidence against her in my eyes. Sprit is the other player and I’ve voiced this, but I’ve also voiced my uncertainty with regards to that. I think his case is a complete misreading of me to the extent that it suggests he is willfully misidentifying my motives. But others seem to agree with him, and my judgment is obviously clouded by my own inherent awareness of my motives. I don’t buy what sprityo is selling, but that’s because what he’s selling is a version of me that doesn’t align with my version of me. But I struggle to definitively pursue him as a suspect when it’s clear to me that others are capable of buying his case.

[Conveniently, Sprit and Luna both didn't buy your "Mac framed me" rant]

Regarding my constant defense, I feel like I’m stuck in a loop of unproductivity. I want to suss out who’s bad in this bandwagon, and this involves frequently engaging in dialogues with its main supporters, which in turn just spirals into desperate self-defense from me. It’s not how I want to play and I keep trying to get out of it, but I suppose my ego is too fragile to let these cases go.

[Sloonei feels the need to make excuses to defend his playstyle]

As for why I’m perhaps a little over-sensitive to baddies on my bandwagon: we’ve seen the observation made that the scum team is targeting “town-leader” types (first Jay, then Mac). I am not in a “leadership” position in this game because I’m on the outside looking into the circle of trust. But (I think) I’m the type of player who is viewed as a potential “leader” type. But I’m someone that can be done away with via lync in this game.

I do not think that Mac was killed for the specific purpose of framing me. But I think a facet of the mafia strategy after killing him could very conceivably have been to increase pressure on me. I wanted to put this theory into the thread and it apparently backfired. But that’s my approach to the game and, I guess, so is all this self-defense. I try to be understood and, in turn, to understand other folks. So when I’m being as widely misunderstood as I am here I guess my desire to be understood turns into an unhealthy obsession. I should stop focusing on it, but it feels essential to my position in the game, and has thus far distracted me from engaging myself to the extent that I ordinarily would. I should instead become obsessed with having my reads understood rather than my behavior.
[Plays the misunderstood card]

I suspected Colin on Day 1 but he was nightkilled. I suspect Luna now and have talked about that at length. I have a shaky inclination to read speedchuck as scum, but I hesitate to label him a “suspect” at this point.

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Bullzeye remains a light town read who I am compelled to defend. I don’t agree with the cases I’ve seen against him. Turnip Head is a town read. I did a brief ISO of him Day 1 which helped me establish that read, and he’s only strengthened it since then. He seems to be actively engaged and I can see his thoughts developing as he goes. You’ve given the thread a new energy since you joined, which I like a lot. Nutella also has done the opposite of what I’d anticipate from scum today with regards to little old me: she’s pulled back on her suspicion. I get a similar vibe from her as from Turnip Head. I can also see some real “game solving” coming out of Long Con, so I guess I read him as town.

I have little else at the moment in the way of defined reads. I could offer gut reads on everyone else, but they wouldn’t be especially strong and I’d want to follow all of them up with research. So maybe I should do that. I’ll be around for the end of day, so hopefully things can happen then.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:37 pm A complete rainbow:
Turnip Head
Dyslexicon
nutella
Long Con
Jackofhearts
Bullzeye
Quin
Kylemii
novaselinenever
K-ness
Simon
Infected_alien
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Marmot
Soneji

speedchuck
sprityo
Lunalee

I've moved sprit to the same level as Luna because the case I presented in my most recent post felt more convincing than anything I'd previously articulated. I especially do not like his framing of the "unlikely scenario" which would allow me to be read as town.
There's also a lot of light green that I don't love to have, but I have no direct reason to scum read anyone in that group of players, and I prefer to offer a stance whenever I can. There's also too many players on whom I can offer no stance at all. The darker green tiers and the orange/red tiers are the reads I would regard as solid at this point. Everything else is weak and ill-defined. That's, you know, how rainbow lists work.

Feel free to ask me about these reads if you have any questions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:05 pm @Lunalee talk about people that are not called sloonei or nova.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:46 pm Anyone down for a quick Nova wagon?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:39 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.

Still reading through Day One, this post from Luna strikes me as odd. Feels like she's saying "If I contribute to the death of a civ with this vote, it's his fault for not trying hard enough". Not wanting to take ownership/be held responsible if she happens to be wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:55 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:31 pm IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

@Lunalee Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

I'm not completely certain. You're posts feel townie to me, and I really want to think we're on the same team here.

Speed: Are you buddying me?
Luna: Yes dear

This response is so transparently bad omg

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:31 pm IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

@Lunalee Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:22 pm Kylemii
Long Con
Dyslexicon
Infected_alien8_
sprityo
Turnip Head
Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Marmot
Simon
Soneji
K-Ness
novaselinenever
Quin
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Sloonei
Lunalee

I like forcing quick sorting judgments like this to determine what my hunches really are. I feel enough hesitation on the other four oranges to lighten the orange, but I don't really feel that hesitation with Luna. So I'll put my money where my colors are and [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:09 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:51 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:58 am @Dyslexicon Talk to me about Bullzeye and Luna because we have opposite reads rn

Hi! I don't really have a conclusive read on Luna. Not on Bullz either for that matter. I'm going to catch up now.

i saw some comments on it Luna, looks like youre waiting for a response from her. what do you have on bullzeye that makes you not like him?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:06 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:42 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:21 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:12 am

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 am
Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:08 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:27 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:25 pm

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:05 pm

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

Not really, no. Most people don't post unfinished rainbows like that, so you don't know which way they started them. If speed were scum, he probably would have been more careful with creating the list and would not have posted it until it was done.

Okay, fair. What do you think of the placement of Simon specifically?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:52 am Like, I'm all for townreads, I know in past games (I recall with MP specifically) there have been arguments about starting with townreads/a "town core" to function as sort-of-POE, and I come down firmly on the pro-townreads side because it's true that they are often easier to feel out at the beginning of a game. But the way speed constructed his rainbow post-by-post with all that green coming first did not look like a real thought process to me. And I agree with TH that the lone placement of Simon seemed arbitrary. A lot of it seemed arbitrary. And if I were to compose a rainbow in this game I would definitely have some scumreads in my head right off the bat that I'd put on there, and it looked like speed did not.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:42 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:21 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:12 am

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:08 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:27 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:00 pm Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:40 pm ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:06 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 am

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 am Just checking in before work, love how I’m being set up for an easy bandwagon by a bunch of people who know nothing about me. I also don’t see how it’s okay to point out someone is online and reading the thread when their activity is set to hidden. I often check from my phone and hate posting from it so tend not to, and specifically chose to not show as online so that people couldn’t act like that means anything.

Does not knowing you invalidate the suspicion? I admit I know nothing about you or your play style, but you do come across as suspicious to me. But more than that, I really want more content from you. What do you think of the votes on you? What's your take on Spoons? Who do you want to get lynched? All of it. When you have the time.

Your second post in the game was to vote for me and you seemed pretty confident in it at the time. The only real elaboration you gave is that I "write like scumz write". I don't remember if we've ever played a game together before (don't think so) but if we had you'd probably be able to tell that I just write like me. I don't really like being a civ because when I started playing I was either bad, eventually recruited, or an indy with btsc for my first 10 or so games. I learned to play as a baddie and by the time I got to be town for any significant length of time it was too late for me to learn to be anything but evil. I think like a baddie even when I'm not one. It's helpful in some ways, less so in others. Perhaps that's why you think I write like one but I feel like if you were a bit more familiar with me you'd probably think differently.

I'm not 100% on who Spoons is. I think maybe Sloonei based on context? I'm back and forth on him, I've had some bad vibes and some good ones. Could easily re-read and get a more solid opinion.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:12 am

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:08 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:27 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:00 pm Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:40 pm ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

This post ignores any possible subtlety and other motivations for question-asking, and leaps straight to "false ignorance or genuine ignorance, either way I'll vote for him". The goal is more to create a weird, confusing target than anything else. Not a good look.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I thought you promised to vote for me today.

Sloonei/Luna w/w just struck me here. Friendly non-distancing distancing.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.

So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.

Shallow inquisition and platitudes, still unimpressed.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time

Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

Defending the Civ who is most under fire is a good look... to invent for yourself.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Low Player Salad, not the worst case of Salad I have seen, but excessive. Speedchuck was low/lazy?

... Luna's last analysis post is good follow-up at least. Some suspicion, I'll follow that vote. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:36 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:54 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.

This is such a generic criticism that it could be applied to nearly every vote in nearly every game ever. The majority of votes happen because one person suspects another and that person's responses don't satisfy the accuser. What one person finds valid, another might not. I didn't find his explanation believable.

Oh, hi! You. You are the one.

[VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:07 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:05 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:50 pm

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.

Then who was his number one suspect? If anything you might not even have had been an actual suspect, more so he wanted to push you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.

Then you picked a poor choice of words to express it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.

You can feel that way. However, your words reflect differently than what youre saying right now. Let me rephrase myself on saying 'you have no reason to "share" if youre town.' There's no reason to create a wifom scenario. which is what you did. which is what i've been saying youve done.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that.

Mac had suspicion but not context. yknow why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

He didnt have a reason. Simple as that. I dont suspect you because of what mac said, i suspect you because of what happened to mac, what mac could have done, and what you did do following mac's death. I'm not looking at you from any other angle besides what happened after mac died.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?

Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

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so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Please move past this.

You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 am I can only think of myself, so I assumed Mac was killed to make me look bad.

If Sloonei were scum I would like to think his LAST target would be Mac. Would scum be so bold as to actually kill someone who told them "just kill me?"
That said, the only way a scum Sloonei would kill Mac would be for WIFOM. And what if no one noticed the WIFOM? Well lucky for you, you don't have to look too hard because Sloonei made it very clear that he felt targeted by Mac's kill.

Are you defending sloonei or suspecting him?

You've just linked and summarized the entire case on Sloonei from both sides.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:50 pm

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.

Then who was his number one suspect? If anything you might not even have had been an actual suspect, more so he wanted to push you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.

Then you picked a poor choice of words to express it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.

You can feel that way. However, your words reflect differently than what youre saying right now. Let me rephrase myself on saying 'you have no reason to "share" if youre town.' There's no reason to create a wifom scenario. which is what you did. which is what i've been saying youve done.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that.

Mac had suspicion but not context. yknow why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

He didnt have a reason. Simple as that. I dont suspect you because of what mac said, i suspect you because of what happened to mac, what mac could have done, and what you did do following mac's death. I'm not looking at you from any other angle besides what happened after mac died.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?

Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

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so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Please move past this.

You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 am I can only think of myself, so I assumed Mac was killed to make me look bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:46 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:24 pm I've already highlighted these posts, but I want to bring them back up again. This all occurred in the midst of the chaos at the end of Day 1:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

Luna shows up and sees that nova suddenly has votes on him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

She does her homework and decides that he's a viable lynch option because, unlike Eloh, he hasn't contributed much.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.

When pressed for elaboration, she restated the emptiness of his posts and put some blame on him for his effort. Looking back at this post in particular now, I do not like that second sentence one bit. It seems to both acknowledge that nova is town while also absolving her for contributing to his mislynch. "It's his fault that I voted for him because he could have tried harder."

Luna, along with Colin, would remain on nova as Eloh was lynched. I don't like the ease and passivity with which she joined this bandwagon. One of the first things I look for when digging through End of Day posts is players who appear passive or timid. This is crunch time, and typically a townie wants to make the move that is best for them, so more often than not they'll be actively engaged in problem solving, even if that means expressing uncertainty. A mafia member will be more hesitant, not wanting to misstep anywhere. Luna's posts here have the look and tone of the latter.

Just some context you're missing: I voted Nova when Nova was still one vote ahead of Eloh. I left the site after placing my vote. Did you know the site shows people as "online" for as long as 15 minutes after they have been away? I wasn't able to check the lynch status again until a couple of hours later. That is why my vote remained on Nova. If I had been present, I would have moved my vote to whoever I needed to to save Eloh.

That does not help me much, unfortunately. My main concern is specifically your treatment of nova. He provided the most convenient lynch option for scum, and your participation was to see that he was on the block and join in.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:24 pm I've already highlighted these posts, but I want to bring them back up again. This all occurred in the midst of the chaos at the end of Day 1:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

Luna shows up and sees that nova suddenly has votes on him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

She does her homework and decides that he's a viable lynch option because, unlike Eloh, he hasn't contributed much.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.

When pressed for elaboration, she restated the emptiness of his posts and put some blame on him for his effort. Looking back at this post in particular now, I do not like that second sentence one bit. It seems to both acknowledge that nova is town while also absolving her for contributing to his mislynch. "It's his fault that I voted for him because he could have tried harder."

Luna, along with Colin, would remain on nova as Eloh was lynched. I don't like the ease and passivity with which she joined this bandwagon. One of the first things I look for when digging through End of Day posts is players who appear passive or timid. This is crunch time, and typically a townie wants to make the move that is best for them, so more often than not they'll be actively engaged in problem solving, even if that means expressing uncertainty. A mafia member will be more hesitant, not wanting to misstep anywhere. Luna's posts here have the look and tone of the latter.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:15 pm Sprit's case is that Sloonei is trying to control the narrative, as soon as Mac died. Nobody else had suggested, as of that point, that Mac's death implicated Sloonei. He was pre-emptive about it. That suggests forethought, though it doesn't necessitate it. It also paints a picture of a guy who is very aware of the WIFOM involved in Mac's death, and who understood the strategy from both sides.

Yes?

I guess, but like, don’t we always look at a person’s suspects after they’re nightkilled? Am I not allowed to make these comments? I was wary of bad guys poking at me and wanted to pre-emptively address that. Is sprityo even considering the other side of his argument?

We've got *looks at watch* like 30 hours left. Why don't we talk about something else?

Because I don't like this case one bit and I want to figure out if I believe sprityo or not.

My vote's still on Luna. Care to comment?

K-Ness wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:14 pm I'm leaning on sloonei and Jack today. What's the reasoning behind the votes on Luna?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

This post ignores any possible subtlety and other motivations for question-asking, and leaps straight to "false ignorance or genuine ignorance, either way I'll vote for him". The goal is more to create a weird, confusing target than anything else. Not a good look.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:28 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

I agree that things ought to be shaken up. Let's see where your Long Con thing takes us.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I thought you promised to vote for me today.

Sloonei/Luna w/w just struck me here. Friendly non-distancing distancing.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

This is sketchy, and a stretch, on the reread. It's a sktretch.

It's more wishy-washy and noncommittal than water. Are you trying to be Switzerland here? Are you trying to catch baddies or be Involved In A Discussion? You cast a vote, which I can only assume is supposed to look like pressure, and then you proceed to post with as little pressure as possible on me.

And, I just have to focus on this sexy piece of blather: "This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up." Disappointed us when it wasn't a revelation-filled-look-at-past-games kind of pattern, but just you saying you see some pattern in the four posts Luna quoted. I can look at the horse picture behind my monitors and see, in the horse group, black-black-white-black-black-black-white, and yeah that's a possible pattern, and no it doesn't mean anything. PLUS, now it's maybe-suspicious in your world to move from ignorance to understanding as time progresses? Or are you Billy Pilgrim, displaced in time and confused about how I could have understanding at one point in time, and also have ignorance at another? We live in a linear world, buddy. Also, I was never ignorant of the answers to my questions, just to reiterate.

So you claim you were attempting to set scum traps with your questions? Or just get discussion flowing? If the latter, I would rather have discussions about players and their posts and reads, than game mechanics. Discussing mechanics is always a good distraction from the more important discussions at hand.

Shallow inquisition and platitudes, still unimpressed.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time

Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

Defending the Civ who is most under fire is a good look... to invent for yourself.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Low Player Salad, not the worst case of Salad I have seen, but excessive. Speedchuck was low/lazy?

... Luna's last analysis post is good follow-up at least. Some suspicion, I'll follow that vote. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:35 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:31 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:25 pm

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?

My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.

Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.

Dang, that last option seems far-fetched, but if that happened, whoever did it deserves to get lynched.

Even if they were right?

no, not if they were right. but we have no way of knowing.

Then what was the point of your first post?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:31 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?

My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.

Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.

Dang, that last option seems far-fetched, but if that happened, whoever did it deserves to get lynched.

Even if they were right?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?

My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.

Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:23 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 am @Marmot I ask you to give me a single read on a person. Or more if it pleases you.

And to answer this question, everyone is mafia until I have proven otherwise.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:35 pm Jack knew Jay was gonna die, fight me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?

He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.

I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.

What was the case on Colin? I didn't know he was a counter-wagon

Colin essentially said Sloonei’s play here reminded him of his play in Greece, specifically the way Sloonei treated him when they were mafia partners.

This was not well received as comparisons to his Sloonei treated a mafia partner would necessitate Colin also being mafia in this game. Ergo, Colin’s case on Sloonei is fake. Ergo Colin is scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:30 pm I want everyone to tell me what Elohcin's alignment is, and also why you say so.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:27 pm

In the year 20XX...

Spoiler: show

...a super robot named Mega Man was invented by Dr. Light to stop the mysterious evil scientist Dr. Wily, who hijacked and reprogrammed four Robot Masters to serve his criminal plans.

Spoiler: show

It is now Day 0. You have 24 hours to check in, vote, and take care of any preliminary business...

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?

He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.

I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:24 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Like there's nothing there of substance. If he's town, he could be trying harder to help out.

These three posts represent the entirety of Luna's participation leading up to the deadline. "Why nova?
Oh, nova hasn't said much.
He could say more.

Then, shortly after the Eloh's megaflip:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:33 pm Oh wow, that's not good.

I don't like it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

can you elaborate on what you mean by "doesn't look great"?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:30 am [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine again. Because his posts don't offer anything strong to hold onto and if anyone's an opportunistic bad guy of those 5(!?) voters on me right now, it's him.

Holy shit 5 of you decided to vote for me? Get those off. Shameless emotional appeal incoming: I've been screaming for this game to start for a month. Don't lynch me on Day 1. Not to mention that I'm town.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:54 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:09 pm 3J is still good.
Mac is good.
Eloh is good.

Sloonei is...good?
jack is...good?

nova is bad.
lunalee is bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:09 pmalso Kyle is bad

plz expand

The town reads are gut for the most part. Some other minor stuff, I guess. dunya took a steaming turd on my reputation for sorting Eloh correctly early, but I'm gonna stick with it.

nova's vote came out of the blue and his subsequent explanation sucks. He didn't even try to engage me before running off.

Lunalee talking about speedchuck doesn't come across well to me.

I thought I'd put you as a civilian after talking to you before, thinking on it, so I have no idea why I've called you bad aside from instinct. There's no way I'm voting for you over it, at least.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:36 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:29 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time

Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

can’t tell if sarcasm

Not sarcasm.
I haven't looked at all of her posts, but to be indecisive on someone like that is usually a town-tell

it doesn't look like legitimate indecision though. she literally said "I'm sus of Jay" and "I don't think anything happened to jay on d0" in the same post

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:35 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

Which day 1 votes would not be lazy? Bad point, Lunalee.