The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:42 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:21 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:07 am And @poutanko again, PLLLEEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEEE go sign up for A World Asunder. LC and BR are excellent hosts and their map games are a scream. We'll all be in the same boat with lots of posters at the beginning so don't let that scare you.
...no 30 players game with activity like this game = RIP me. Easier to read lot of fluff/short posts but not a lot of long posts. As you can see, my English is not that good. Having to translate a lot is pretty tiring.
Bunny please, your English is amazing. I've never seen you say anything that sounded wrong.

This is actually funny because the other Indonesian person I know is a guy who posts regularly at NF Cafe and his English is kind of bad. Like, he knows how to express himself but he doesn't know much of grammar rules. But that doesn't stop him from posting a lot and engaging in all sorts of political discussions. Cool guy.

You are a lot better than him, though.

I think I still confuse people at times

I'll join smaller game

The game has a really good details. Idk about balance, I'll let those with hosting experience to comment on that. My judgement might be biased because of the bad luck so it looked like it's really bad for maf.

"We'll get a sub for novase, no worries"

>novase was killed

"It's just a coincidence with novase, N2 would be better woooooo"

>INH was killed

"...LC has dodo, he will be safe"

>LC was killed

"Screw this game!"

I had fun tho @DDL no worries ~

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:07 am And @poutanko again, PLLLEEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEEE go sign up for A World Asunder. LC and BR are excellent hosts and their map games are a scream. We'll all be in the same boat with lots of posters at the beginning so don't let that scare you.

...no

30 players game with activity like this game = RIP me. Easier to read lot of fluff/short posts but not a lot of long posts. As you can see, my English is not that good. Having to translate a lot is pretty tiring.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:45 am I'm trying to figure out how I could boost mafia to prevent them from losing so hard but I can't. Still think it's mostly due to a lot of bad luck. No one could predict DH would hunt them so strongly so early.

I guess I could make polyjuice more efficient (make it instant instead of taking a night), and making the super-kill a Dark Art so they wouldn't spend most of game without it, but those still probably wouldn't have prevented the DH-calypse that hit them.

Now that I think about it, maybe Horxcrux should be a mandatory, automatic thing too, but that's also me babysitting the faction a little. They could have fared better if they made an horxcrux in the first night, though.

Anyway, sorry for the mafia team for getting wrecked early, but I hope you guys had fun at least.

Not going to make Horcrux N1 when we barely knew who's likely going to survive the longest, N2 maybe but not N1. Wrong guess and we could be screwed even worse

Ye, if people being like
"Why didn't you do it like xxxxxxx??"
"You should do xxxxx"
"That's weird"

Instead of trying to justify your action, be more like
"Sit down kids"

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:03 am Aww, I just realized I could have used the 3p make a lot of posts tell...derp...missed opportunity.

There will be another opportunity (hopefully not me as the 3p, I like the popcorn too much)

[mention]Lunalee[/mention]You played well for 1st time cop. Checking those not high on sus list is okay. Less likely for them (if they're scum) to use an "active" to fool your result if they think they're not under a threat of getting copped. It's understandable too why people sussed you for not clearing up those high on sus list as it could be seen as an attempt to keep the confusion high. Just do what you think is the best decision and ignore the rest. Tell them to take it or leave it

No one will always be right. Sometimes what you did is the right one, sometimes it's the other one who's right. If you think you're right, just do it.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:37 am I discovered that reverse mind melds don't exist, as Long Con saying he melded with me didn't turn out to be the same alignment.

Poutanko was obvious to me, or just has a stark different playstyle than when town.

Jack and Inh, I couldn't make out if they usually played like that or if that was their personality. I read timmer town for personality thing or something I felt most people would say more often as town than mafia, but idk.

In hindsight, it looks like I had found a slip of the mind from Jack. Inh, I think I kind of ignored him, but I probably should have realized he was bad.

But yeah, you guys need to have graveyards over here when there aren't rez abilities in the game or when all the rez abilities are gone.

I ended up chatting with DDL about what my reads were as I was kind of still following the game near the end.

I guess the picture tell on kara was a personality picture not an alignment indicative thing. But I'm glad the popcorn eating tell might still be legit over here.

That's legit, your pic tell too

I'm sorry to hear about your grandpa

see ya in other game, Owner ~

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:01 am I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

Would it be better to have a clear indication of SK being in the game or is it enough?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:47 pm Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

...he's among those we suspected as even night vig. Bad decision I think (unless he's 2nd Doc or one with Sacrificial spell)...

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:26 pm Oh btw Poutanko welcome to the Syndicate you did a great job

Thanks, still think it's too sloppy and lasted that long because many people are not familiar/hesitant to go after a newcomer. If it happened on NF I might be caught early as usual

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:21 pm Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.

Thanks, I'm new here

just my habit using them

You're dangerous when you're serious. Went back and forth between killing you or using you as extra kill

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 pm Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

Your night actions are not stupid (actually I prefer that way if there's likely an active to screw cop result) but I was scum so I just let it happened

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:03 pm I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

Only if Petrificus Totalus work on you.

Also thanks to DH and MacD I was saved from 2 CFDs

INH stopped showing up on maf chat after he's dead too so...

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:32 pm This game is gonna fuck up my ego so bad.

I would agree with you that I wouldn't attribute my win to luck, or to a majority of luck. I got lucky when I needed it, but I was hustling my ass off every other second of the game. I don't win the game if my Long Con case falls through. I don't win the game if I don't connect the dots with Jack, which later led to everyone connecting the dots on you. I don't win the game if I don't use the Niffler/House Cup/Hallows mechanics the way I did.

I got some good lucky breaks this game for sure but I'm not going to lie, it wasn't an easy win.

Also I felt bad for the mafia this game even as I was running through you guys. Nova's kill was just on a lark I was like "Hey fuck inactivity!". At one point I considered teaming up with the mafia, using the Resurrection Stone to contact INH and feed him a line of bulshit about how I was a secret killer role looking to get recruited but I needed to know who I was looking for or some shit but @insertnamehere never showed up to the chat.

Said on maf chat "What if whoever gets 3 hallows become SK?"...somewhat true except that you're SK before getting all the Hallows

Which cycle did you contact INH?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:22 pm I will never be able to replicate a performance like this. I didn't think I'd be able to play this well period.

- Sniped Nova
- Nailed LC
- Nailed Jack (sort of. He said he got no result when he checked me, which tipped me off 4 days later when I thought back on it)
- Sorta got Poutanko although that one goes to the town I figure.

Very lucky breaaks with finding the Hallows/Polyjuicing myself but as far as the hallows goes I just used the mechanics to their fullest (last vote gets the hallow, Niffler, etc).

As an SK, I wanted to do two things: Get civ cred, and fuck up the mafia so I couldn't get Nightkilled. Once I set those goals and worked towards them the game was well within reach.

...you didn't kill Novase because you read him as scum. That one was luck

SK role is okay and DH did play well by making people think he's town. That one was not a result of "luck". He's lucky, true, but not fully on that that he won.

Having to wake up to find 1 of my team mate die every cycle was not something I expected. The mess on D3 was the worst. Woke up only to find huge mess on game thread and on maf chat. We're unlucky with Novase too, he's modblocked so we couldn't use his ability, he was never replaced (he's killed already), never received 1 night kill immunity like town subs and he's our doc/invigo maker/hippogriff/elder wand owner. Losing 3 maf limited our actions a lot. Felix and Avada became a must. Had to be 1 Hogwart/1 Dark Art per player. Had to avoid any player that might be protected/jailed or else our kill would fail.

...that Glorf thing I'd rather not...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:08 pm probably the most annoyed I have ever been following a game as a corpse

not as much as me after learning how many bad luck we had during the game. The kills, the replacements, DDL have the list.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:59 am We're all winners here

except the death eaters they got well and truly fuckerinoed

Meanie, DDL said we had the worst luck since beginning

Jack is a great team mate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:01 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:59 pm 30 players game = a lot more posts. I can barely catch up with this one

Yeah but I'm not playing.

nutcase-kun ~

Like other players can't post as much as you

30 players game = a lot more posts. I can barely catch up with this one

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]Lunalee[/mention] sorry you two had to be dragged this game

still fun to see

Can't wait to see EoD

Dammit...

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:35 pm Sorry I was in the shower but WOWOWOW pout was bad. Nice game @poutanko now get yourself over to A World Asunder and sign up!!

30 players game...

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:37 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:32 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.
Nope my stance on Colin is clear. Doubt that I would get 2 wrong check ~ What's the chance of Luna got all correct check? @nutella @DharmaHelper
.........k lol

don't get what you were arguing about colin earlier then

I didn't argue about Colin -.- I was pointing out why I town read you. It's you claiming to block him that indicates you're more likely town when you can just let people sus him more about his no action result if you're scum.

I'm not someone who said 100% sure Jack was scum before

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.

Nope my stance on Colin is clear. Doubt that I would get 2 wrong check ~ What's the chance of Luna got all correct check? [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:48 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 pm Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH
Did you forget my green check on purpose or what fam.

DDL himself said on his OP, cop check could be fooled so

Aw yeps

don't mind me. I'm just a couch potato ~

In that bussing scenario, isn't it better for 1 to lead a mislynch then 1 to save the would be mislynched? Both maf would survive and the white knight maf would get town cred while the outed maf would be immortal.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:55 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?
....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?
Jack busing you for cred is just as good as being unlynchable.

How safe his claim is really? Wouldn't take long before he's questioned.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?

....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:38 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm If you had info or something you should have said so. Pinning her towniness on her Sloonei related behaviours isn't good enough when everyone looks like a civ.
Making this post before a Luna flip is not a good look.
Howwwww
Abdication of responsibility for a flip you knew would be bad for you.

"We had no choice but to lynch the civ cop Luna, DH never came forward with any infodump that proved she was civ"

How did this make Mac look bad? Luna flipping Town indicated Mac is uninformed Town more than scum. If he's scum it's more likely he would do things that made him look good aka lynching scum and saving town. Mac got nothing from Luna lynch.

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] you said you wanted to lynch Mac several times during D7 but never voted him. Instead, you voted Colin while saying you prefer to lynch Mac. Why?

Already said if I survive tonight, you guys can lynch me

Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:01 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?
People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?
Well, the caveat to the truth meta argument is that maybe Glorf for the first time lied about his alignment.
True but Iirc you said he claimed town after vote was locked. No effect on the lynch direction. As for you yourself, for what reason if you are scum, claimed to use Phoenix same night INH was revived? That's unnecessary. Same thing with Nutella claiming to block Colin when he can simply be lynched due to Mac's result on him. Which mean you two are more likely Town.
Are you saying there was evidence sufficient to lynch Colin despite your green peek on him?

>Colin said he's going to block Jack
>Mac said no, no action from Colin
Saw both DH and Mac pressuring him for that because it looks like he's lying about his action. If you're scum you'd just let it happen

DH and MacD had quite an argument I'm yet to read.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:01 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?
People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?
Well, the caveat to the truth meta argument is that maybe Glorf for the first time lied about his alignment.

True but Iirc you said he claimed town after vote was locked. No effect on the lynch direction. As for you yourself, for what reason if you are scum, claimed to use Phoenix same night INH was revived? That's unnecessary. Same thing with Nutella claiming to block Colin when he can simply be lynched due to Mac's result on him. Which mean you two are more likely Town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?

People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:44 pm I don't want to vote you if you're civ so take this opportunity to tell us how we should know you are civ.

I tried my best with the time I had.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:32 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:27 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:54 pm Somehow I didn't see that you were on vacation pout but thanks for reminding us. What are the strongest clues we have that you are civ? I want to make sure I understand your defense of the accusation that you are mafia since it sounds like you won't be here much.
Not like I have many results, I got scum cred for wrong check on Bullz
I still think Colin is more likely town (unlikely to be imperio'd again if that's what happened N1, don't think I'm turned into insane cop because obliviate was used, I've explained this before). Higher possibility of him being Town still.
I was asking for the strongest clues that are out there, in your opinion, that show YOU to be civ. What things should we be pointing to and saying "See, Pout is civ". I'm not looking for who you think is civ, I'm looking for things that make YOU civ. I'm looking for those things because the chances are good we will be talking about whether to vote for you or not tomorrow. We did that today but you weren't here to defend yourself. So another way for me to ask this is "What do you say in your defense to people calling you scum?"
They are wrong. What benefit do I get from claiming I got guilty on Bullz? All I see I was being dragged on due to him flipping town. I attracted attention when it's not necessary and no benefit I got from it.
Ok, thats a start but ignore the false read on Bullz. What have you done to show you are civ besides post your two cop checks?

What have I done to be read as scum?

I tried to post my read or pointed things that attract my attention. Many of them were ignored or forgotten that I had to repeat. It's not as bad before Bullz flip. After his flip it felt like whatever I said was not considered seriously.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:54 pm Somehow I didn't see that you were on vacation pout but thanks for reminding us. What are the strongest clues we have that you are civ? I want to make sure I understand your defense of the accusation that you are mafia since it sounds like you won't be here much.
Not like I have many results, I got scum cred for wrong check on Bullz
I still think Colin is more likely town (unlikely to be imperio'd again if that's what happened N1, don't think I'm turned into insane cop because obliviate was used, I've explained this before). Higher possibility of him being Town still.
I was asking for the strongest clues that are out there, in your opinion, that show YOU to be civ. What things should we be pointing to and saying "See, Pout is civ". I'm not looking for who you think is civ, I'm looking for things that make YOU civ. I'm looking for those things because the chances are good we will be talking about whether to vote for you or not tomorrow. We did that today but you weren't here to defend yourself. So another way for me to ask this is "What do you say in your defense to people calling you scum?"

They are wrong. What benefit do I get from claiming I got guilty on Bullz? All I see I was being dragged on due to him flipping town. I attracted attention when it's not necessary and no benefit I got from it.

I keep voting Bullz D2 D3 because of my result if that means anything.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:54 pm Somehow I didn't see that you were on vacation pout but thanks for reminding us. What are the strongest clues we have that you are civ? I want to make sure I understand your defense of the accusation that you are mafia since it sounds like you won't be here much.

Not like I have many results, I got scum cred for wrong check on Bullz

I still think Colin is more likely town (unlikely to be imperio'd again if that's what happened N1, don't think I'm turned into insane cop because obliviate was used, I've explained this before). Higher possibility of him being Town still.

...lynch pou while she's away 2.0

I'm Town. I have Amortentia (made it N4, shoved it on Jack N5) and dodo.

Currently on vacation, I've mentioned this before. If I'm still alive next DP I'll lend you a hand to lynch myself so I can enjoy my vacation fully

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:43 am Either Luna is lying here or there really is another cop who is bad because the mafia had to divine Glorf night 1 or night 2 to learn he had the Phoenix and then Imperio me on night 3. Is there another way they could have known Glorf had the Phoenix power?

It's just hard to believe the civs had 2 cops.

If maf have access to both Hogwart ability and Dark art, they might have used both Divination and Crucio. That's 2 a night. If they have Invigo potion and combine it that could be 3 per night.

Okay sorry. Luna said the exact same words to me before.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:43 am It's just hard to believe the civs had 2 cops.

You can just say it directly instead of throwing shade like that.

Luna doubted me as cop yet didn't check me.
Doubted my result yet didn't check Colin.
I feel like being purposefully hanged.
And you have no right to throw that shade when you're not the one almost getting lynched D5. I can be polite, Juliet. But I have my limit. If you have problem, say it straight instead of throwing shade like that. I'm done with this bullshit.

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