The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:25 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:11 am

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sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:10 pm
Setup Rules:
-The Mafia Team DOES NOT have BTSC with each other unless it is achieved through different means.
-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.

I want you all to sink in this post for a bit. Read it a few times, truly acknowledge it, and be careful what I'm about to say. This is crucial for what I'm about to present next.

Remember all of that Sloonei / Okosan shenanigan I tried to pull that people thought was nothing?

I thought of something. Let's look at the following progression of the build-up wagon on Sloonei, from an Okosan - Sloonei point of view.

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:56 pm[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:58 pm Coo! (Oh hmm Okosan missed the part where Okosan said that Sloonei probably isn't Monokuma. If that's the case he still feels we should be looking at people outside the vote. Sloonei just seemed the most sus with that weird late vote)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:05 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:58 pm Coo! (Oh hmm Okosan missed the part where Okosan said that Sloonei probably isn't Monokuma. If that's the case he still feels we should be looking at people outside the vote. Sloonei just seemed the most sus with that weird late vote)

Change your tune, my airborne friend.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:15 pm Was Okosan recruited last night?
I think he could have been, but it's just a temporary vibe atm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:16 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:15 pm Was Okosan recruited last night?
I think he could have been, but it's just a temporary vibe atm

gimme that vibe

Alright, pay attention to that ^ post. And ask yourselves why would Sloonei, here, ask for TH to "give him that vibe" if he was town reading Okosan? If you don't get what I'm getting at, acknowledge this post and keep reading.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:48 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:45 pm Cooooooo? (Lol as Okosan said he retracted the not voting for DDL part. Okosan thought he had la bunch of votes)

you are still voting for me

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:52 pm COOO! (Yeah. He didn't say he retracted the voting for you part. Okosan said he retracted the, "if he was scum he would just vote DDL" part. Anyays Okosan's home now so he can actually read through the thread easier now)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:55 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:52 pm COOO! (Yeah. He didn't say he retracted the voting for you part. Okosan said he retracted the, "if he was scum he would just vote DDL" part. Anyays Okosan's home now so he can actually read through the thread easier now)

my point is more that it's not the correct place to be voting and you should move it. posthaste, chop chop, time's a wasting

Okosan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:37 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:27 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:14 pm Does it make Sloonei confirmed towny?

How?

because she was DDL's counterwagon, how big are the odds first recruit and Monokuma got both tied?

Cooooooooo! (Well in the world that she's the first/only recruit it doesn't make her any more town no. Because it's not like scum would be directing the lynch off of her. In the world in which there's two mafia it's iffier, and Okosan thinks that's the world we're in? Because otherwise there shouldn't have been a kill yesterday right?)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:48 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:45 pm Cooooooo? (Lol as Okosan said he retracted the not voting for DDL part. Okosan thought he had la bunch of votes)

you are still voting for me

Sloonei, why'd you go out of your way to ask Okosan to move his vote off you here? You haven't done so with anyone else. Were you town reading him at the time you've posted this?

I am town reading okosan, but that’s not why I confronted him directly here. This is the first game that okosan and I have ever played together. My impression of his vote for me was that it came from a suspicion that would not exist if he was more familiar with me as a player. I was trying to suggest he move his vote because of that.

Also at the time the only other person voting for me was Tony. I also responded to his vote, but it did not come with any game-relevant suspicion.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:09 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:05 pm I literally just want you two to figure each other out by asking questions.

As far as I see it, Sloonei has no reason to town read you and neither do you to town read Sloonei.

It was proven that you were wrong on how Monokuma would handle it, and that was Sloonei’s reason for reading you town. Which proved to be a flop. So he has no reason for reading you town.

You were pushing him yesterday and we flipped monokuma. Your theory on how he could be monokuma is invalid. Don’t you wanna still figure him out?

Okosan being wrong does nothing to deter my town read. I understood his point of view and thought it reflected a genuine thought process. I don’t care whether or not he was right.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:13 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:11 pm You’re reading someone town based on how they see how monokuma would do things? From a mechanical standpoint?

That’s part of it, yeah.

Ok, watch this progression, yeah? Sloonei is defending his Okosan town read. Hope you have a mental note of how Okosan treated Sloonei. These progressions go trough Day 2 as well as Night 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:07 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:20 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:58 pm If I was mozzarella bear I’d spend the day acting like I know how to catch mozzarella bear.

Oh I just stumbled upon this gem

I remember that one. What does it mean to you?

If you read my earlier interaction with Sloonei and Okosan, Sloonei was essentially locked into a town read on Okosan solely based on how Okosan was looking for monokuma.

First, no I wasn’t.

Second, we already know I’m not the mozzarella bear. I could not have been bad on Day 1. I don’t even know what dots you’re trying to connect right now.

^My point here was that he wasn't scum reading Okosan for what he's been doing, despite saying he, as Monokuma, would be doing EXACTLY what Okosan was doing. Those posts are the following :

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:58 pm If I was mozzarella bear I’d spend the day acting like I know how to catch mozzarella bear.

This is important. Keep in mind, Okosan didn't do any of his analysis on how Monokuma would act on D0 and D1 with regards to wagons and shit, so it does check out.

However, on Day 2, here's where the spicy shit comes in.

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:48 pm COO! (So Okosan's thoughts. If we're still looking for Monokuma then Okosan feels we should be looking outside of the two wagons yesterday entirely. Monokuma ideally would want to blend and hide their vote so that we don't get any info based of that. If that's what Monokuma is trying to do they have two options. Option 1 involves what Okosna thinks happened where they vote for someone completely worthless. This would be the case if there's going to be a tie or it's going to be close like it was yesterday. Option two is to just bandwagon on a vote that's really far ahead. Aka not what happened yesterday.)

Cooooooooo! (Following this logic Sloonei's vote yesterday looks really bad. At the end of the day when it was essentially decided that either Epi or Dom was getting lynched, they all of a sudden threw their vote on JackOfHearts for no real reason. So this is where Okosan is sussing atm.)

Cooo? (If we're going for people who got converted there's not much that we can really do unless people out results they've gotten (such as who was roleblocked and whatnot) but we can't really do that because Monokuma will just kill us all. So unless MacDougal suspected anyone in particular that's nearly impossible to find right now. If there's two maf the second one might not want to lynch the first one, but that's about all we've got)

THIS is one of the first few posts that Okosan makes on Day 2. Remember when Sloonei said "If I was Monokuma, I'd pretend to catch Monokuma?" yeah. I do too.

Except, he didn't remember it. He actually town read Okosan for it, apparently. But that's not the whole thing...

Here's where my theory comes into play. I want you all to re-read this for a minute.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:10 pm
Setup Rules:
-The Mafia Team DOES NOT have BTSC with each other unless it is achieved through different means.
-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.

Good. Here's what I think. Okosan was the first wolf, and Sloonei was converted on N1. Why? Now that we reached the hot topic that I wanted to emphasize on, I'll re-quote how it all went down in between Sloonei and Okosan. Keep in mind, Sloonei knows Okosan's alignment. Okosan doesn't know Sloonei.

So, let's recap.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:05 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:58 pm Coo! (Oh hmm Okosan missed the part where Okosan said that Sloonei probably isn't Monokuma. If that's the case he still feels we should be looking at people outside the vote. Sloonei just seemed the most sus with that weird late vote)

Change your tune, my airborne friend.

^ singles Okosan out for his vote. He never did this with anyone else.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:07 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:06 pm Okosan dun goofed and is covering his tracks

I do not see it.

This is based on the post in which Okosan was pretending he'd know what Monokuma would do. Now, let me ask you this. Why does sloonei not react to that? He said that his process was really townie and he agrees with it, despite claiming that it's a clear indication as to Okosan being Monokuma.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:16 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:15 pm Was Okosan recruited last night?
I think he could have been, but it's just a temporary vibe atm

gimme that vibe

oh man this. If Sloonei was town reading Okosan here, despite claiming he was acting like a Monokuma would...Why would he ask someone to show him the case that Sloonei is a mafia here? It's just non-sensical. I think this is a signal that Sloonei knows Okosan's mafia, and it was more a signal to Okosan, then actually asking TH to state a case or something. It's just weird that someone would put it in those words instead of saying "I think he's just town". Which, if he chooses to defend himself with this angle, doesn't check out, because if he says he meant it as in "He was very town that's why" , he's contradicting his later statement that I'm putting way too much weight in his read than he is. This plus him ignoring Okosan as potential bear even though, again, he said that's what Monokuma would do.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:48 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:45 pm Cooooooo? (Lol as Okosan said he retracted the not voting for DDL part. Okosan thought he had la bunch of votes)

you are still voting for me

Sloonei, why'd you go out of your way to ask Okosan to move his vote off you here? You haven't done so with anyone else. Were you town reading him at the time you've posted this?

I am town reading okosan, but that’s not why I confronted him directly here. This is the first game that okosan and I have ever played together. My impression of his vote for me was that it came from a suspicion that would not exist if he was more familiar with me as a player. I was trying to suggest he move his vote because of that.

Also at the time the only other person voting for me was Tony. I also responded to his vote, but it did not come with any game-relevant suspicion.

Again, here's where me and Sloonei are arguing against that gray area with the "I thought his vote came from a suspicion that would not exist if he was more familiar with me"

I want you to think about this for a second. He already said in the thread that he wouldn't make a mistake like that. Why did he need to confront Okosan directly in order to move his vote, more importantly, WHY did Okosan need to know Sloonei in order to not vote for him? His case was literally based on how he thinks Monokuma would act at EoD, this idea with "if he knew me" didn't even come up at that point in the posts. This is contrived reasoning. He never once mentioned anything about his play style and how he would never play like that, specifically to Okosan.

Why are people just brushing this off? I don't get it. Fayt and people ignore this, says they don't see it, but Okosan's vote literally had nothing to do with Sloonei's playstyle. Why did he have to single Okosan for it? He's saying it as if knowing Sloonei would've mattered with how he would've placed a vote at the end of the wagon. It just makes no god damn sense.

And the worst thing is, after he said this very important thing, he literally swept it under the rug. If it wasn't important, why even bring it up at all??? It drove you to confront Okosan directly, why are you brushing it off like it didn't matter to anything?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:48 pm What did you mean?

But his case against me via that theory would have required me to make a careless mistake that I’d never in a million years make. To be clear, I’m saying that I’m brilliant and that shit’s beneath me.

This is the reasoning he had to single out Okosan for his vote on Sloonei. Why would it even be a point of interest for you? You didn't even emphasize this with Okosan during that phase.

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All in all, Okosan is the first wolf, and Sloonei is the second.

Alright there it is. Idgaf, pain train's coming.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:20 am It explains why Sloonei didn't push Okosan.

It contradicts a statement Sloonei made. I asked if that's what he's town reading him for (meaning mechanical hunting) and he said "Yes, essentially". And after I pushed him for that lazy read, he said "That's not the only thing I town read him for" even though he never mentioned anything else that Okosan was being town read for.

It explains why Sloonei just blatantly ignores Okosan and acts as if his town read is good and doesn't want to reconsider AT ALL. If he was his buddy, he'd have to maintain his town read on him, otherwise, he'd be forced to push on Okosan.

He literally acts as if his town read on Okosan is really justifiable, then says I'm putting way too much stock in it then he does and then he just ignores him, meaning he trust the slot. There's just...little to no consideration of Okosan's alignment from Sloonei. Which isn't town, at all.

He has no reason to town read him, moreover, he does for scum reading him. Or, he had, at least. He directly contradicted himself on Okosan.

Please let's just fix this and let's not pull another jack-like lynch.

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