thank youuuuuuuu, I also enjoyed it with everyone. In the end I also enjoyed [mention]MacDougall[/mention] he was the one making me paranoid the most in this new enviroment until I investigated him meh. I had no clue what my abilities were do and the people I could instruct were mixed between town and scum....it was fucked up and random in the end for me I tried to redirect abilities at Dragomir, Oreki and Mac Dougall without knowing what I do at all lol. Anyway I learned again more, thanks!Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 6:43 pmRej, I enjoyed playing with you. You made me paranoid when you redirected my power, and Indiglo was redirected on the same night. You had great instincts.Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 6:26 pm Wow I also had such a bad feeling about Sabie12 inbetween, I am so sorry guys I was Veronica Palmer and last night I just obtaine an alignment check and tried to dump something in, I really had bad days in the past and this was really high tier for me. I probably performed better in the early game and you guys were good with civ reading me, while others would have scumread me.
Anyway I enjoyed it, I hope I didn't ruin the game for ya...mafia did a nice swipe! Congrats!
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- Tue May 28, 2019 12:05 pm
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- Mon May 27, 2019 6:41 pm
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Also where I come from people always find a way to claim actions, mechanics etc, so I rly have to train my mindgaming here, to avoid mechreading or presenting mechs. I am adapting some stuff and I hope I can keep my high learning curve, atleast I hope it is a high learning curve.^^ I play mafia for about 3-4 months, tbh I didnt track it down I just played and played and forgot everything hahahaha. Was a pleasure, looking forward to more, but I think I am on hiatus here, because from where I come from we do season finals and some big games. Once they are done I will be back!
- Mon May 27, 2019 6:26 pm
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Wow I also had such a bad feeling about Sabie12 inbetween, I am so sorry guys I was Veronica Palmer and last night I just obtaine an alignment check and tried to dump something in, I really had bad days in the past and this was really high tier for me. I probably performed better in the early game and you guys were good with civ reading me, while others would have scumread me.
Anyway I enjoyed it, I hope I didn't ruin the game for ya...mafia did a nice swipe! Congrats!
Anyway I enjoyed it, I hope I didn't ruin the game for ya...mafia did a nice swipe! Congrats!
- Mon May 27, 2019 4:34 pm
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Re: [Night 4] Better Off Ted
why you think you could be the easiest lynch today?
- Mon May 27, 2019 4:33 pm
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- Mon May 27, 2019 3:18 pm
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As this is a no-claim game I can't reveal anything right? Just take Mac out from suspicion and lets go for nutella. TMI is too much info, I have info beyond reading skills and mindgaming since last night. As we have MyLo my only right move here was cleaning out Mac from suspicion and make myself the best target for mafia. Amen. I am looking forward to the next game when I become better.juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 2:47 pmRej, when you say TMI here what do you mean?Rej wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 1:50 pm Guys my vote on nutella is based on me having TMI. Oreki was 100% a mislynch from my side I really have a bad run today and also the other days and I also play games on other forums. I don't mind being shot off by mafia next day and keep up the MyLo up for you guys.
- Mon May 27, 2019 1:55 pm
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Re: [Night 4] Better Off Ted
And Mac Dougall is town.
- Mon May 27, 2019 1:54 pm
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Oreki was there when I played my first mafia game ever. He was also a newbie back then it has been 3 months. Oreki was just gutfeeling, I rly expected him to peek more in and out that's why I thought for real that he rolled a scum role and hence maybe couldn't handle it. I was torn on nutella too, I used my gutfeeling on Oreki partially also with meta and bad reads.juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 8:15 am Hi Rej, I am looking at your switch to Oreki at the end of the day after being on nutella most of the day. Here is the post you made:
You first said "Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon". I looked through your posts and didn't see anywhere that you previously pointed out that he wasn't hunting scum. What did you mean by this post?Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.
For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.
I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.
Secondly, you said "Oreki lacked in some interactions". What specifically are you talking about here?
Finally you said "even if he has the same experience grade as me he game me more of the feeling of sleeping on the one or other wagon previously". What wagon are you talking about here? Didn't you also sheep on previous wagons? What do you mean by same experience grade as you? Oreki seemed very very new to mafia and you have played many games.
I'm just overall having trouble understanding why you moved to Oreki basically out of the blue toward the end of the lynch. Did nutella say something that all of a sudden convinced you she was good? If so what was it?
Btw I am using what I observed and learned here on other games currently, I love it!
- Mon May 27, 2019 1:50 pm
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Guys my vote on nutella is based on me having TMI. Oreki was 100% a mislynch from my side I really have a bad run today and also the other days and I also play games on other forums. I don't mind being shot off by mafia next day and keep up the MyLo up for you guys.
- Sun May 26, 2019 6:57 pm
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I don't want to focus on Mac anymore, that guy will always be a mystery for me, it's the least person I would want to lynch today, because if he is town it's so fucked up. And I want to revenge the fallen...so:
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
- Sun May 26, 2019 6:54 pm
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Mac and Drago were synergizing in the earlier DPs for some reason and they participated in some wagons, gave me the vibes of Mac using Drago and at this point I had the feel he could have thrown him off and buffy up another person in some manipulative way.juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 5:54 pm Hi @Rej could you please answer these questions I posed and LC seconded? I never saw any cases.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:48 amI want to hear answers to these questions
Oreki could have profitted because Drago would be about to make a case on Oreki it is something Oreki would handle hard and Oreki would have known that other people including me would jump on that accusation.
I stated why I thought Matahari wouldn't kill Drago, because in my enviroment I am used to not kill people pointing their FOS on you.
My 50/50 on Juliet is justified by gut feeling. I also think nutella is mafia right now.
I could have convinced drago that I am town, it would have been easier by that stage of game, atleast I would have rumbled on that one.
- Sun May 26, 2019 11:13 am
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I got lost inbetween that's how I reason my lackluster reads. I couldn't have my eyes on every player because I am confronted with some next level plays in here. Putting your FOS on me is justified, but I also consider myself being now the easiest lynch for scum to break into LYLO/MYLO and take this home.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:18 am I am also pretty suspicious of Rej right now. Dude hasn't stuck solid on his reads at all as far as I can tell.
- Sun May 26, 2019 6:21 am
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I will stick to the nutella vote too. I feel so bad for the lynch wagon on Oreki...
- Sat May 25, 2019 6:16 pm
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- Sat May 25, 2019 6:15 pm
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- Sat May 25, 2019 5:41 pm
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- Sat May 25, 2019 5:37 pm
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Re: [Day 4] Better Off Ted
Would scum leave the power of decision to 2-3 people?
- Sat May 25, 2019 5:35 pm
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[mention]nutella[/mention] I switched to Oreki
- Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm
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I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.
For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.
I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.
For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.
I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.
- Sat May 25, 2019 4:18 pm
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take off your vote from juliets and lets vote up oreki, I have a much worser feeling about him
- Sat May 25, 2019 4:17 pm
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See that's what I mean, you put a newcomer like me into an enviroment with players that I can't read xD I am so done for. And EVERYONE reads me town, so what if scum is opportunistic reads me as town so I think they are town.juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 3:19 pmHe is indeed an uber pro. He's got more wins on this site this year than anyone else. His style can be abrupt and brusque, and usually he begins throwing names out right and left and calling them bad or good from the beginning of the game. Or he can be pretty nice but still throwing names out as bad or good without a lot of reasons starting from the beginning. Imo he is very difficult to read.
I don't like that he's still alive at this point BUT I haven't found anything that causes me to say he's bad and his reads are very similar to mine (I have a question about Oreki for him but he's not here yet). So if I were doing a GTH right now I would call him good. I'm wary of him though. Do you see something other than the manipulation feelings you have that would tell us he is bad?
- Sat May 25, 2019 2:22 pm
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What do you think about MacDougall? I am so much confused by his playstyle is this because he is such a uberpro? I have a bad feeling about manipulation comming off from this guy I can't describe it in words.
- Sat May 25, 2019 12:05 pm
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Sry guys didn't had a good start in the day I am a bit all oer the place, I like the case Juliet made against Nutella. This is the first time I play with open night and I just realized how scum can manipulate this. I still have alot to learn so I will read a bit. I thought Drago had his FoS on nutella, from where I come from you don't usually kill someone who is putting his FoS on you. I find this to easy always. But I think people handle it different here.
- Fri May 24, 2019 6:24 pm
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I will go sleep soon so I will see if I can make better cases once we are half into DP, sry for the confusion caused, I am a bit overloaded.
- Fri May 24, 2019 6:23 pm
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I just wrote a half case and it got deleted, I cry q.q
Short summary:
Mac profits from Drago kill
Oreki profits from Drago kill
Matahari profits in no way from Drago kill
BWT leaning town
juliets unsure
Long Con/Nutella/Sabie12 one of them might be Wolf
Short summary:
Mac profits from Drago kill
Oreki profits from Drago kill
Matahari profits in no way from Drago kill
BWT leaning town
juliets unsure
Long Con/Nutella/Sabie12 one of them might be Wolf
- Fri May 24, 2019 10:20 am
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- Fri May 24, 2019 10:19 am
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Re: [Day 3] Better Off Ted
Rej
birdwithteeth11
Matahari
indiglo
juliets
MacDougall
Long Con
Dragomir
nutella
SokothQultuq
Oreki
Indie is so unexpected...so I really consider a 3 man mafia probably
birdwithteeth11
Matahari
indiglo
juliets
MacDougall
Long Con
Dragomir
nutella
SokothQultuq
Oreki
Indie is so unexpected...so I really consider a 3 man mafia probably
- Thu May 23, 2019 5:16 pm
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There is so much that indicates Wigly to be scum, I don't know if there is enough to reason otherwise.
If Wigly flips mafia I would like to take on Oreki too. But if Oreki is mafia then he might be the lesser evil.
- Thu May 23, 2019 3:40 pm
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Ok, what do you think about Sokoth? And why are you and Wigly defending each other?Oreki wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:26 pmAnd all I see that you're just saying that "I think mac list have a scum" if you think that his list indeed has scum then you should carry that investigation further rather than blaming or asking others. I'm one of the players in his list, ask me what you want to and I will answer it accordinglyRej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:22 pmThis wagon is most likely town-formed. And about my point earlier, you rly wanna tell me the chances are not raising that there is a scum on "Mac's list"? And people deflecting that idea are people I scumread most likely. If you are good scum you could WIFOM your ass out of the situation, but all I see is deflection.
- Thu May 23, 2019 3:22 pm
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This wagon is most likely town-formed. And about my point earlier, you rly wanna tell me the chances are not raising that there is a scum on "Mac's list"? And people deflecting that idea are people I scumread most likely. If you are good scum you could WIFOM your ass out of the situation, but all I see is deflection.
- Thu May 23, 2019 3:01 pm
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If you find this confusing (btw it has been resolved and we move on) then how confusing is this please:Oreki wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 2:47 pmI'm aiming for scum. Do you know when you start involving a lot of unwanting discussion in the game it just makes more hard for the town to make good reads, cuz it confuses them which post they should take seriously or which not? You bringing previous games or meta is alright but for some extent, you can't completely defuse Drago argument based on Meta or previous game mistakes. You have to either make your points that counter Drago or either have to start approaching other players post which might provide some input. Making wall post for one argument or brining previous game is not really effective and meta is overrating. It's good but not something you can depend onRej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 2:27 pmIs it forbidden to be polarizing or making some poralizing post? Reactions and discussions is what you are aiming for.Oreki wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 1:07 pmYou know what Rej you could better than that by actually not keep complaining about Drago suspecting you or getting paranoid over it. Just get over with it, if we got two mislynch that doesn't mean you make a wall post over it and complain about it or bring previous game mistakes. Do your work as a player and get over with it, Mafia is game where mislynch happens but getting to worked up over them is just too muchRej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...
So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.
@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.
From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.
Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.
I am getting heavy flashbacks here
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:38 pm Dragomir
Epignosis
MacDougall
Oreki
SokothQultuq
Civilians
- Thu May 23, 2019 2:33 pm
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- Thu May 23, 2019 2:30 pm
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I find DrWilgy's way of handeling the case against him contentless, anyone with me?
- Thu May 23, 2019 2:27 pm
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Is it forbidden to be polarizing or making some poralizing post? Reactions and discussions is what you are aiming for.Oreki wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 1:07 pmYou know what Rej you could better than that by actually not keep complaining about Drago suspecting you or getting paranoid over it. Just get over with it, if we got two mislynch that doesn't mean you make a wall post over it and complain about it or bring previous game mistakes. Do your work as a player and get over with it, Mafia is game where mislynch happens but getting to worked up over them is just too muchRej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...
So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.
@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.
From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.
Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.
I am getting heavy flashbacks here
- Thu May 23, 2019 2:26 pm
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I didn't found it time consuming on this forum, really I think this one is more chill than other forums, BUT people are just more pro and are more psychological, maybe it is taking time to dissect posts, but despite the devotion of a player you can handle one game if you can handle another game, but still I can believe juliets, because she emphasized her troublesome past real life days twice and that's what I read town. So at this point it can be cleared out from AI-ishness.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:51 pmBecoming more active in one game after dying in the other... seems like an obvious normal thing to happen. You think it's alignment-indicative?Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm Woops this forum sometimes bugs while trying to send a message.
@juliets What I wanted to add is it's fine I got it, RealLife over MafiaLife, no need for spoiling your troubles. What I just thought is you said you additionally became active after dying in another game, which gave some halfassed vibes. Sorry for that, else I am fine for now.
- Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 pm
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Woops this forum sometimes bugs while trying to send a message.
[mention]juliets[/mention] What I wanted to add is it's fine I got it, RealLife over MafiaLife, no need for spoiling your troubles. What I just thought is you said you additionally became active after dying in another game, which gave some halfassed vibes. Sorry for that, else I am fine for now.
[mention]juliets[/mention] What I wanted to add is it's fine I got it, RealLife over MafiaLife, no need for spoiling your troubles. What I just thought is you said you additionally became active after dying in another game, which gave some halfassed vibes. Sorry for that, else I am fine for now.
- Thu May 23, 2019 12:46 pm
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juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:38 pmRej, yeah the part about empathy, I'm not asking for you to feel sorry for me, I'm just explaining how busy I was and why I wasn't as engaged. I think you can see I'm engaged now that some time has freed up. I did look at pg. 15 but the only question I saw that I asked on that page had to do with what you meant by a post and it turned out you thought I was another juliets. So I'm going to consider that resolved. Regarding confirmation on how many mafia teams there are in the game people usually make an assumption there is only one team when the player count is this low and/or because in the night posts there is no mafia team mentioned (x was killed by the Mafia Team y). And thanks for answering my question about Mac.Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:22 pmOh I am sorry, you didn't have to spill out the details, I heard from some veteran players that empathy doesn't belong into mafia, so I am new here I see it as a way to engage in discussion with you. Maybe my reasoning is still not in depth but sec. Ahyeah the recent questioning from you has been on page 15 resolved, but especially earlier on you did rather question people but I should take it more easy. For a certain part of the game I had my eyes on the players with lower activity, especially Oreki and you and I made observations and found especially you having no impact on anything, similair like me. The mislynch wagons were formed by others, so I regret taking a look at you as a primary scum and that's where I lean more towards a Mac + x combo or a Long Con + x combo.juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:50 amRej, I did start becoming invested in this game late for several reasons, all of which I outlined in the other game but not here. The shortened version is I've had several real life issues in the last week - several medical issues and it was my birthday and I was pre-occupied with birthday things. In addition, I was playing the other game which is a monster game and it was sucking up most of the free time I had plus studying the background for a massive non-mafia game I agreed to sub into at MU. I have had a lot on my plate. I'm now dead in the other game so that frees up a chunk of time to play this one better. So you are correct about your gut feeling that I did not have high investment.Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.
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The thing I don't really understand is your comment that I was "permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already". Can you point that out? It's certainly possible that I missed something while skimming through the game and asked a question that already had been asked but I don't know that I did it. Also, how does that make me scum? And finally, the reason why you saw the change in me is back to the first point: I died in the other game and I am not spending a load of time in doctor's offices like I was. It's just a matter of time that was freed up.
I strongly urge you to take another look at my behavior and see if it makes sense for the reasons I've given you. As I said before, I won't be devastated if I get lynched but it will be the third mislynch in this game if it happens. I really don't want that to happen for game reasons. I would like for us to pull a win out of this and that is not looking favorable right now.
Also who gives us the confirmation that enemies are one mafia, seeing how splitted it is I get the vibes of this being a multiball with potential a even-night scum duo and a odd-night scum duo. I wonder why people are not really considering triple dynamics in here. It is a mess to read for my part.
Also to your question bout Mac, the way he manipulated Long Con to lynch Creature and how easy Long Con jumped on it is bothering me, also that's why I asked if Mac always plays scummy as town because I still townread him based on how he converses with people, but looking behind his actual plays and their outcomes he is just scum. Also how he planted confusion D1 and noone cared gives me the idea of another bunch of scum just bypassing this opener. I hope I make a bit more sense now.
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I'm off to the gym will catch up when I return.
- Thu May 23, 2019 12:43 pm
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted
I meant that xdjuliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 2:19 pmOh I see indi, I don't know why I didn't see that. Thanks.indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:54 am
I posted my reasoning in the post directly before my vote post Iit was supposed to be all in 1 post, but, something freaked out and it posted before I could add my vote to the post):
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:48 pmOreki wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:39 am I'm not finished with reading yet but looking at the thread, @birdwithteeth11 comes off quite aggressively and his behavior not really feel like town behavior, it's more comes off as a wolf for me. They way he ask players or point out thinks Kinda coming forcefully. I will read the entire thread and will provide my reads on my suspect along with birdwith.
So I just found this. Wilgy is calling out Creature for doing something that Oreki did Day 1... but Wilgy doesn't throw any suspicion Oreki's way for it. I don't like that at all.
- Thu May 23, 2019 12:22 pm
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Re: [Day 3] Better Off Ted
Oh I am sorry, you didn't have to spill out the details, I heard from some veteran players that empathy doesn't belong into mafia, so I am new here I see it as a way to engage in discussion with you. Maybe my reasoning is still not in depth but sec. Ahyeah the recent questioning from you has been on page 15 resolved, but especially earlier on you did rather question people but I should take it more easy. For a certain part of the game I had my eyes on the players with lower activity, especially Oreki and you and I made observations and found especially you having no impact on anything, similair like me. The mislynch wagons were formed by others, so I regret taking a look at you as a primary scum and that's where I lean more towards a Mac + x combo or a Long Con + x combo.juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:50 amRej, I did start becoming invested in this game late for several reasons, all of which I outlined in the other game but not here. The shortened version is I've had several real life issues in the last week - several medical issues and it was my birthday and I was pre-occupied with birthday things. In addition, I was playing the other game which is a monster game and it was sucking up most of the free time I had plus studying the background for a massive non-mafia game I agreed to sub into at MU. I have had a lot on my plate. I'm now dead in the other game so that frees up a chunk of time to play this one better. So you are correct about your gut feeling that I did not have high investment.Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.
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The thing I don't really understand is your comment that I was "permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already". Can you point that out? It's certainly possible that I missed something while skimming through the game and asked a question that already had been asked but I don't know that I did it. Also, how does that make me scum? And finally, the reason why you saw the change in me is back to the first point: I died in the other game and I am not spending a load of time in doctor's offices like I was. It's just a matter of time that was freed up.
I strongly urge you to take another look at my behavior and see if it makes sense for the reasons I've given you. As I said before, I won't be devastated if I get lynched but it will be the third mislynch in this game if it happens. I really don't want that to happen for game reasons. I would like for us to pull a win out of this and that is not looking favorable right now.
Also who gives us the confirmation that enemies are one mafia, seeing how splitted it is I get the vibes of this being a multiball with potential a even-night scum duo and a odd-night scum duo. I wonder why people are not really considering triple dynamics in here. It is a mess to read for my part.
Also to your question bout Mac, the way he manipulated Long Con to lynch Creature and how easy Long Con jumped on it is bothering me, also that's why I asked if Mac always plays scummy as town because I still townread him based on how he converses with people, but looking behind his actual plays and their outcomes he is just scum. Also how he planted confusion D1 and noone cared gives me the idea of another bunch of scum just bypassing this opener. I hope I make a bit more sense now.
- Thu May 23, 2019 11:48 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted
I rly don't like how Long Con performed against Indiglo - who gave me a rly rly strong townread here.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.
You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.
To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.
So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.
I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.
Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
How do people town read Long Con based on this post? Am I the only who is actually dumb? Do I miss something here?
Is Mac always acting scummy as town?
- Thu May 23, 2019 11:48 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted
I rly don't like how Long Con performed against Indiglo - who gave me a rly rly strong townread here.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.
You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.
To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.
So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.
I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.
Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
How do people town read Long Con based on this post? Am I the only who is actually dumb? Do I miss something here?
Is Mac always acting scummy as town?
- Thu May 23, 2019 11:48 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
- Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted
I rly don't like how Long Con performed against Indiglo - who gave me a rly rly strong townread here.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.
You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.
To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.
So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.
I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.
Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
How do people town read Long Con based on this post? Am I the only who is actually dumb? Do I miss something here?
Is Mac always acting scummy as town?
- Thu May 23, 2019 11:43 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
- Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 3] Better Off Ted
I also have a Long Con + Nutella read, but I will come to it later. First I lit myself up scurr scurr.
- Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
- Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 3] Better Off Ted
I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.
But still I lean towards here being the 40% town, because scum would have the most easy chance this DP to form a mislynch wagon on Juliets if she is town, which let me check out the votes and the townreads in all this WIFOM mess. (sadly we can't claim and only 1-2 people might have information at this point)
So reanalyzing how Mac Dougall plays, the way he forms wagons (DrWigley) is always giving me off scumvibes, while the rest of his plays and discussions are giving me townie vibes. Don't know if I am the only one feeling it, but this could be a disguise and the Mac vs Drago situation this DP gave me fluff vibes, because it ended apruptly and the Juliets wagon got started.
From my perspective the vote on Juliet has been a town vote on a 50/50~ +/- target which let's me question how easy scum could have used it to jump on the lynch, which let's me think Mac and nutella are scum mates. One using the Juliet town train and the other one opening the next case.
No lynch train yet made sense to me for some reasons, because I am used to lynching while having more proof, but good WIFOM situations make slipping basically unreadable until you got the late game of a setup where in worst case you fight x+1 town vs x mafia.
And if Juliets is scum then it could mean that Mac set up saving Juliet by pushing forward a train on Wigley.
This makes me read Drago really as town and at this point I rly would like to know who is reading Drago as town aswell?
Short summary:
Scum duos I read:
Mac + Juliet
Mac + Nutella
Mac + Drago
Juliet + Drago
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.
But still I lean towards here being the 40% town, because scum would have the most easy chance this DP to form a mislynch wagon on Juliets if she is town, which let me check out the votes and the townreads in all this WIFOM mess. (sadly we can't claim and only 1-2 people might have information at this point)
So reanalyzing how Mac Dougall plays, the way he forms wagons (DrWigley) is always giving me off scumvibes, while the rest of his plays and discussions are giving me townie vibes. Don't know if I am the only one feeling it, but this could be a disguise and the Mac vs Drago situation this DP gave me fluff vibes, because it ended apruptly and the Juliets wagon got started.
From my perspective the vote on Juliet has been a town vote on a 50/50~ +/- target which let's me question how easy scum could have used it to jump on the lynch, which let's me think Mac and nutella are scum mates. One using the Juliet town train and the other one opening the next case.
No lynch train yet made sense to me for some reasons, because I am used to lynching while having more proof, but good WIFOM situations make slipping basically unreadable until you got the late game of a setup where in worst case you fight x+1 town vs x mafia.
And if Juliets is scum then it could mean that Mac set up saving Juliet by pushing forward a train on Wigley.
This makes me read Drago really as town and at this point I rly would like to know who is reading Drago as town aswell?
Short summary:
Scum duos I read:
Mac + Juliet
Mac + Nutella
Mac + Drago
Juliet + Drago
- Wed May 22, 2019 11:30 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
- Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted
I just tried to think ahead of scum.Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:20 amYeah, no this ain't how it works buddy. This preemptive worry is not townie at all.Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:09 amI am thinking ahead and taking the option of you trying to collect opinions to form a mislynch wagon on me. That is naturally my first reaction I have about your approach.Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:03 amWhy are you defending yourself here? I didn't even accuse of anything just asked Mac for his thoughts on you but you're jumping to your own defense. This is bad Rej, really bad.
- Wed May 22, 2019 11:09 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted
I literally said you become better and better as scum player.Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:04 amI have no idea what you mean in this post. Explain it again.Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:36 amDude I trust you a shit, you were about to enter sme mafia championships representing OJ, you are open for every surprise even surpassing your own scum self, like you did with the Novas game.
- Wed May 22, 2019 11:09 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
- Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted
I am thinking ahead and taking the option of you trying to collect opinions to form a mislynch wagon on me. That is naturally my first reaction I have about your approach.Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:03 amWhy are you defending yourself here? I didn't even accuse of anything just asked Mac for his thoughts on you but you're jumping to your own defense. This is bad Rej, really bad.
- Wed May 22, 2019 10:37 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted
sry I forgot that, but now I finally got that xdDragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 9:50 amI literally told you that.Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 amOh so you are not Juliet from OJ, my apologize xd I thought you were trolling me.juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 amHi Rej -Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...
So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.
@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.
From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.
Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.
I am getting heavy flashbacks here
Could you explain what you mean above where I underlined? You say you are more used to me doing more reads (I think that's what you're saying) and you never have seen me more "off" but we have never, ever, ever played together before. This is the first time. Also, Mac said "Hi" to me and I just said the same back to him, it was nothing more than that. I think he said it because I said I was going to look at him. So again, it's fine if you think I am bad for other reasons but it isn't because I'm different from how you've played with me before because THIS is our FIRST game together.
- Wed May 22, 2019 10:36 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted
Dude I trust you a shit, you were about to enter sme mafia championships representing OJ, you are open for every surprise even surpassing your own scum self, like you did with the Novas game.
- Wed May 22, 2019 10:34 am
- Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted
He already said he townreads me, if I would be scum then I wouldn't leave early on the Wagon on Creature. And I think most vet players will tell you I am town, probably just playing bad and confused. Accept the fact that I am scumreading you bruh...