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hehe yeahspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:10 pmWe laid a lot of groundwork for town to use to burn each other.Rej wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:38 pmnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:57 pm We did it my fellow cats.
Good game y'all. Thanks for hosting DDL.
Cats MVPs of the game, me included
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:57 pm We did it my fellow cats.
Good game y'all. Thanks for hosting DDL.
He is a fucking ArsonistJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:17 pm @Rej please say what you have against LC as quickly as possible. We're very short on time.
Long Con just gave fuel to Dragos lynch and to my Wagon. He is like a literally Arsonist, the way he played this DP.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 pmThis doesn't make any sense. You're talking about a "gamble" when voting LC, while you've been saying that Dragomir is a scum lean. What's your case on LC?Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:07 pmcuz I hold respect for Dragomir and he was proactive early, even if spilled some shit, he also probably isn't in the mood to do so. I would never obviously save a scummate. if Dragomir had a bad day he would tell his scum mates "yeah it is okay, just vote me, I will be fine".Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:04 pmWhy not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:58 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?
I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.
[VOTE: Rej] aubergine
Perhaps I've said it wrong. I just didn't think you guys were both cats if the event Dragomir flips scum.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:51 pmWell sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:49 pmWhat is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:47 pm I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.
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Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:14 pmOh, that was Rej? I was kind of skimming.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:11 pmRej said the gamble thing which you just pooped on.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:11 pmWhere did I encourage the Rej wagon?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:10 pmLong Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.
cuz I hold respect for Dragomir and he was proactive early, even if spilled some shit, he also probably isn't in the mood to do so. I would never obviously save a scummate. if Dragomir had a bad day he would tell his scum mates "yeah it is okay, just vote me, I will be fine".Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:04 pmWhy not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:58 pmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?
I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.
[VOTE: Rej] aubergine
Perhaps I've said it wrong. I just didn't think you guys were both cats if the event Dragomir flips scum.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:51 pmWell sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:49 pmWhat is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:47 pm I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.
why that fast move?
Because of the heat and excitementnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:58 pm Also why are you non-voting when you're leading the poll, and the second wagon is someone you suspect?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?
there was a big time span between his last two posts, it could be possible that he gave fuel to the Drago wagon, he also keeps his vote on him and has yet to revisit the cases with new information. this is what you are supposed to do when you place votes and plan to change them.
I am not good with numbers but she hosted for me and we maybe played 2 or 3 games together. I feel like they were never full games.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:18 pmDo you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?
OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:31 pmDude literally what on earth are you talking aboutRej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:40 pm First:
The @Dragomir case
Dragomir imho really plays off, I agree once to novas point that Dragomir is basically powering through. Drago comes off a bit offminded (if that's a word). I used so many off's sometimes I could think of an "uff". Drago only dared to counterpush JJJ and even when I placed a vote on JJJ Drago did not try to safe his ass. Some points that make it hard for me to read Drago, and if he is town he often gets himself read easily. That's also why Dragomir sometimes is a good N1 kill if there is no protection around him.
All in all Dragomir feels like he is hiding something, could also be anything tbh. He is unclear to me and indeed partially scummy for my taste.
@JaggedJimmyJay
this is my first answer to you and bringing forward my concern about Dragomir to Dragomir, so he can imply these points in his defense.
I also don't know anything about Long Con in this case. Dragomir likes to attack randomly.
About you, I was a bit harsh on you and since I don't know your scumplay I am cautious about everything, but I think we are fine if we decide to move on and expand our reads at that point.
about Mac, I must honestly say he started off as civillian and keeps it. He has a strong opinion and underlines it, even if shortly and he makes it hard to read him deeper, but only on a superficial point of view. He is buddying Fayt against Dragomir and me.This for example is literal stuff, like almost philosophy about grammar and it's true meaning behind it. I mean wtf at this point. Maybe I am to noobish for this shit, but I clearly didn't distance myself. I rather tried to engage and find something out for myself.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:27 pm"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:21 pmFake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pmSup Starlightnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol
So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.
Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.
The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.
Like right now. You dissect Fayts wording, at this point it wasn't really needed but you used it to push Dragomir.
Okay either Drago is scum and you did a lucky push against Dragomir, coordinated with @Fayt. Or you are scum that really searched for an asspull to push Dragomir and help building a wagon on him.
I don't know what to think because of your generall strong towny appeareance...but I feel there was something off in your play or just very well coordinated.
I think more ISO on Mac is not needed. I wanna look into Dom vs Drago but first I will play Overwatch with a friend. So I will still track you guys until EoD.
You clearly did not read the same post I did lol. Mac is suspecting Fayt and implying that drago must be town bc fayt "spewed" him. I have no idea how you are getting this opposite interpretation.
Because it is my thought process from the earlier statements to this one. Town not profitting from wagons was based on my own alignment. Becaue at first I felt like town formed wagons on town and scum was either sidelining or atleast on one of each of the wagons. I had to rivist my read on Dragomir using more meta reads on Dragomir to confirm for myself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:50 pm I don't see the transition from these:
to this:
If Dragomir is "hiding something" and "indeed partially scummy", then why is his wagon not profitable for the town?Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:40 pm The @Dragomir case
Dragomir imho really plays off, I agree once to novas point that Dragomir is basically powering through. Drago comes off a bit offminded (if that's a word). I used so many off's sometimes I could think of an "uff". Drago only dared to counterpush JJJ and even when I placed a vote on JJJ Drago did not try to safe his ass. Some points that make it hard for me to read Drago, and if he is town he often gets himself read easily. That's also why Dragomir sometimes is a good N1 kill if there is no protection around him.
All in all Dragomir feels like he is hiding something, could also be anything tbh. He is unclear to me and indeed partially scummy for my taste.
This for example is literal stuff, like almost philosophy about grammar and it's true meaning behind it. I mean wtf at this point. Maybe I am to noobish for this shit, but I clearly didn't distance myself. I rather tried to engage and find something out for myself.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:27 pm"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:21 pmFake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pmSup Starlightnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol
So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.
Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.
The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.
what you think about Mac?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:58 am Alternative wagons are available, but they're underwhelming by definition. I have these people:
Fayt
sprityo
TSP
I don't feel any confidence calling them civilians. They also have < 5 posts, so.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine can go ahead and answer my beefs.
told ya guys, you put a fucking vote on JJJ and he starts doing his thing. that's how easy it goesJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:18 am The following tidbits come from Day 4 of the Scrimmage game, and not from this game. I wish only to draw a comparison:
Spoiler: show
I acknowledge the contextual difference: different game, different time in the game. Whatever. I don't think those are super meaningful differences and so I proceed.
Dragomir took flak throughout this game, but he survived all of it. The criticism continued to mount through the finish, and when it reached its worst levels he responded with posts like those in the spoiler. Note the language: "the reasonings against me are ludicrous" / "I'm not as suspicious as you guys actually believe" -- these closely parallel what we've seen in this game. Dragomir seems to have a tendency to dismiss suspicion against him in this sort of obstinate, off-hand fashion. It doesn't have to be motivated by his role card if it's motivated by who he is.
Then consider the last post in the spoiler. Dragomir placed errant trust in much of the mafia team, and indeed in that game the attacks he received (in the specific posts I provided) were from members of the mafia (Mac and I). This sort of portends the reflections of suspicion he has displayed here.
I think this works in his favor.
Angle-shooting by using phrases against the other person that have the chance to emotionally wound the person in real life.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:05 amNobody has done more in this thread than I have. I don't know where you get this stuff.
That red thing was a facetious reference to the grade school classroom. Maybe that's a cultural split if you don't recognize it; no clue how it could be "angle-shooting".
I have made reads on minimal posters. I haven't "analyzed" them, and I never have. There's nothing to analyze. What exactly do you mean when you refer to analysis? I am thinking of wall posts and thorough cross-sections of ISOs, etc. Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, you are already taking the spotlight, so go make something out of it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:58 amExpecting “analysis” right now, from anyone, is quite silly. Most players in this thread have < 20 posts. The content is relatively thin. Instead we operate with posts in real-time, and that’s what you see.Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:59 am Nothing changed. I still like tizzies. Else I wouldnt had engaged myself in this.
The question rather is if you are the same civillian JJJ from the other game? I'd say no.
Back then (persona game) you got heavily pressured and then you started your rational and well thought civillian play. Now I feel things are differently. You dont do your analysis you are underwhelming in contrast to your previous plays.
So JJJ tell me what changed?
You didnt come any further than saying "rej is lackluster he is a wolf".
Moreover, the way you just reduced everything I have said about you to “Rej is lackluster” is ridiculous. Go sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done.
Nothing changed. I still like tizzies. Else I wouldnt had engaged myself in this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:18 amThis is literally the opposite of what you just said. Getting into tizzies and being aggressive were not only town indicators for you, but you enjoyed it and encouraged more.
What changed?
Because they came too quick. Drago is easy to discuss and have a wagon formed on. Both civ and scum might know this.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:18 pmForced how?Rej wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:20 pm I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.
Mac is looking OK
There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for @sprityo and @Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.
Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!
I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.
I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.
Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:35 am @Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?
the gif with the dog licking the asshole urgh, I almost puked, but it still was...cute
