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I agree, the setup was balancedSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:15 am All that is to say, I think the balance worked out in the end since we didn't have a worst case scenario with NPBlue
More I read I think it makes a lot of sense for Wilgy to be mafia.Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:43 pmSo Golden wasn‘t trusting Quin on D1 but backed off from expanding on it saying ‚shrug, nobody thinks the same as I do‘, Sloonei claimed hard townread
Wilgy on the other hand seemed content with having you as the sorta obvious option, which you mentioned.
Would that make sense to you? Or do you have other players as suspects.
This short question shows that Quin didn’t know how to react at Scotty's post, but Gman flipped wolf and this comes soon after this post
where Quin is distancing from GmanQuin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:38 pm I don't have enough time to dig through Day 2 ISO's, so these are at-a-glance notes on the poll:
- Kate's DH vote is an OMGUS. Night 2 posts scream 'not teammates'.
- DH's DH vote is DH. DH. DH. DH's DH DH. Potential NP candidate with a flair for the dramatic.
- Sloonei's LoRab vote justified with it "making more sense", immediately after Wilgy switches to me. What made more sense?
- G-Man's LoRab vote gave the Moderator power over the lynch before Wilgy's switcheroo. Can't read alignment off this, but pretty awful reasoning.
- llama votes Quin and is the anti-Sloonei. Sloonei says I'm good regardless of what llama says. llama says I'm bad regardless of what Sloonei says. Definitely not temmies, unless the point is to keep me in the forefront as a failsafe if a different teammate gets too much heat.
- Wilgy votes Quin because ???. He also discourages ties. But Wilgy loves ties, it is know-en. Licks.
- sig didn't vote. His last post says "we should be looking out for those who don't vote as the NP target". Potential NP target.
Outcomes of this are that either sig or DH was the NP target, Wilgy looks worse, G-Man has earned greater attention from me, there is Kate/DH and llama/Sloonei spaghetti to be untangled, but up to 2 mafia in that lot.
Bea didn't post, so everyone said she is in antispew. Obviously, everyone was wrong.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:22 pm @Michelle Let’s say you’re town- who is in your POE? Like I get you have to defend yourself, but so far I’m mostly seeing nitpicking defending to 2 people that have already voted you.
You know I’m town. Do you think Wilgy is slandering you as a wolf? What is your read on the rest of the players?
I can't post for a couple of hours, i will be back and answer asapVivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:47 pmMy b. I misread that as you accusing Scotty of distancing from Quin.Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:42 pmMy english is bad but its not catastrophic though, I didn't shade Scotty in that post. I didn't shade anyone, is one of my first steps into Quin Iso and my analysis it's not finished yet. I will continue after work, a couple of hours from now on.Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:24 am Spent a while going through ISOs looking for something that'd give me more confidence on who to lim. This day feels daunting with the amount of information.So far this stuck out to me the most, even though it's very recent.Spoiler: show
Michelle's read on Scotty flip-flopped very quickly between these posts. From a rather confident Scotty - T assessment, straight to mentioning two posts that seem to want to shade him.
While the S-V-S lim warrants some tinfoil here, I very much doubt I would vote Scotty today and I'd have to re-ISO him at a later point if he remains alive further.
You say you read my Iso and found a thing who is not even true. Also you didn't read in fact my Iso with attention because I proved Scotty is mechanically town and you mention voting him.
I'm reluctant to vote you at the moment, you seem too much like an obvious one to me but I always overthink when something looks like it's set in stone. Was hoping to get some feedback on other various pairings from you in particular.
Your vote coming immediately after Sloonei posted he can't move his vote shows you don't care about the lynch. Your read is frozen since day 1 and you never tried to solve my slotMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:44 pmWhy are you so trigger happy to kill me instead searching for scum?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:54 pmMy dood, I'm not playing 5d chess over here. I call it as I see it, you moved from a W wagon.Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:50 pmBland is good when I want to solve, bad when I want to clown. This game's context doesn't have me feel like clowning. Yerkes-Dodson approves.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:45 pmAye allow me to translate.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm*Lick*Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pmLooking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.
To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.
Vivax is on my radar.
Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.
You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.
Eloh's read of you based on me was weird. Eloh self admits to not understanding my gimmicks yet side eyes you for wanting more from me. Based on the wording it makes sense from the Eloh perspective, but still seemed strange that they disagreed.
Your read being of pasta water was because it was as bland as bland could be.
If I were to follow you onto Michelle and she were to flip green, tomorrow would be rather easy for you to frame me as scum based off yesterday's EoD, wouldn't you agree ?
Yes, me taunting has to be taken into account, but you did move. If you need to be held accountable for that if the PoE becomes thin, that's just the way things go.
If you moved from W A to W B, it really helps my case on you being town. If you moved from W A to T B then no.
I still think even if Michelle flips T I'll be voting for DF next cycle. Higher chance of that being a W hit than you in that situation. Unless DF shows up and cracks the game open.
Why are you so trigger happy to kill me instead searching for scum?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:54 pmMy dood, I'm not playing 5d chess over here. I call it as I see it, you moved from a W wagon.Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:50 pmBland is good when I want to solve, bad when I want to clown. This game's context doesn't have me feel like clowning. Yerkes-Dodson approves.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:45 pmAye allow me to translate.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm*Lick*Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:54 pmLooking over your posts in reference to Wilgy, you first townread him and then you didn't have much of anything of substance on him. You had stronger cases for others. This vote seems to come out of nowhere. Your gameplay so far looks like trying to fly under the radar so far Day 1.
To everyone, this whole debacle with Scotty has taken my focus away from what's important. I've been focused on defending myself so much because no one seems to understand my words!! It's taken all my energy and I haven't been able to see players for what they are doing.
Vivax is on my radar.
Eloh you taste strange in this post. Like a bit of epoxy covered dandelion.
You either W shield me to form a pocket of lint and squish OR V see a discrepancy re Vivax's read. However bland Vivax may be, they taste of pasta water.
Eloh's read of you based on me was weird. Eloh self admits to not understanding my gimmicks yet side eyes you for wanting more from me. Based on the wording it makes sense from the Eloh perspective, but still seemed strange that they disagreed.
Your read being of pasta water was because it was as bland as bland could be.
If I were to follow you onto Michelle and she were to flip green, tomorrow would be rather easy for you to frame me as scum based off yesterday's EoD, wouldn't you agree ?
Yes, me taunting has to be taken into account, but you did move. If you need to be held accountable for that if the PoE becomes thin, that's just the way things go.
If you moved from W A to W B, it really helps my case on you being town. If you moved from W A to T B then no.
I still think even if Michelle flips T I'll be voting for DF next cycle. Higher chance of that being a W hit than you in that situation. Unless DF shows up and cracks the game open.
My english is bad but its not catastrophic though, I didn't shade Scotty in that post. I didn't shade anyone, is one of my first steps into Quin Iso and my analysis it's not finished yet. I will continue after work, a couple of hours from now on.Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:24 am Spent a while going through ISOs looking for something that'd give me more confidence on who to lim. This day feels daunting with the amount of information.So far this stuck out to me the most, even though it's very recent.Spoiler: show
Michelle's read on Scotty flip-flopped very quickly between these posts. From a rather confident Scotty - T assessment, straight to mentioning two posts that seem to want to shade him.
While the S-V-S lim warrants some tinfoil here, I very much doubt I would vote Scotty today and I'd have to re-ISO him at a later point if he remains alive further.
I can see this as distancingQuin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:17 pmThat's nice.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:15 pmI disagree entirely with your assessment of me.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:10 pm Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:
Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.
Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.
The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.
Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.
@Sloonei what's Quin's wolf meta?
Mafia doesn't make anything without a purpose, and this post looks like Quin wanted to convince everyone that Axe is town.Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:37 amI like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.
I see you are happy to kill me, I realised you are locked town mechanically at Eod, why are you alive if I am a wolf?Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:46 pmOH.Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:06 pmYes, i am answering at your rainvow post but also I saw this and i want to explain this first.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:53 pmYou have proof that I’m town?Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:46 pmI have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagonsThere is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:10 pmOn top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.
If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.
Also today was a special day in my country, we celebrated saints Michael and Gabriel and the people having these names (my username is my name translated in English so I had a great RL day, bad for mafia though)
Regarding the votes, I clicked on view votes and I can't vote as well
Curious.
"When the FEBs are down to half their number or less, the thread will be locked during all remaining Night phases"
Do I have to say more?
Good call. Math.
Right. Thanks.
So anyway, I’m confirmed town, time to call the polls and add myself as a candidate YOU CAN TRUST
Scotty is town like I said, so this is the way Quin pushed a townie.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:10 pm Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:
Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.
Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.
The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.
Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.
"Non-Player Blue
Nah
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:11 am Her defense of this is even more nakedly scummy:Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:52 pmAlso you said i didn't mention Quin. I don't remember to notice his presence in the game in the same time with me so yes, i didn't talk with/about him.
Your point?Implies that the wagons of Golden, Quin and herself could all be town. This is important because it seems in this post that she doesn’t believe Quin to be bad, even though she was currently voting there.
Bea's vote was suspicious and she payed with her life.
it was a vote dictated by my own logicScotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:11 am Finally claims to have some agency behind the vote, and adds Quin (and SVS) into her POE. But just 3 posts ago she “wouldn’t be surprised” if Quin is good.This sure looks like a exasperation vote. This whole thing is like if you procrastinated too much and missed the deadline on sending in your essay online to the teacher, and then wrote the essay, emailed the teacher 12 hours later with the completed essay citing ‘bad connectivity issues’ and ‘I totally sent it on time you have to believe me’ and the teacher is like, “okay, technically issues happen- don’t let it happen again.”
I flipped town. Now what?
Yes, i am answering at your rainvow post but also I saw this and i want to explain this first.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:53 pmYou have proof that I’m town?Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:46 pmI have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagonsThere is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:10 pmOn top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.
If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.
Also today was a special day in my country, we celebrated saints Michael and Gabriel and the people having these names (my username is my name translated in English so I had a great RL day, bad for mafia though)
Regarding the votes, I clicked on view votes and I can't vote as well
Curious.
I have a lot of thoughts and I will post them from now on because I came home from work.
I have a very good reason to consider Scotty town and I disagree with both wagons
There is a proof I was thinking at, if you want me to talk about it just ask me.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:10 pmOn top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.
If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.
Makes sense, then is not as bad as it looked in the Eod VCsig wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:03 pmI wanna say I did a joke vote for sloonie, a serious vote for someone else, backed off rhat vote and moved to myself as a placeholder then forgot to come back and change itMichelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:21 pm Looking at the wagons, day 1 had a tie but the lynch was switched to Vivax1.0, 3rd party. I don't think speculations about how that happened are useful.
I remember Sloonei had as single scum read in Vivax who flipped 3rd. If I have to tinfoil him this is a strong reason because mafia is always pushing the 3rds because this gives the impression they are scum hunting but I don't want to do that because Sloonei was very important in catching Gman.
Gman was off wagons, that would show t/t wagons most probably. Also he is voting for Golden who is looking villagery, but it may be a bus.
The vanity wagon on Gman from DH is another alarm bell.
I think I didn't notice the self vote from Sig, what was the reason of it@sig ?
The VC is longer than the phone screen, I forgot a wagon
Quin 2 Scotty Golden
If Quin flips mafia this is a good look probably for Scotty and Golden imo.
This is day 1, going further in day 2
My vote is there not because it was a wagon.
I wouldn't be surprised if the wagons are all town because of the way you try to shade me
I didn't exclude Quin's wagon, i didn't see it on phone when i scrolled down.
That's most probably just a coincidence
Means we can have mafia in these 2 wagons and the wagon on Lorab can have more than one wolf Gman.Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:21 pmThe 2 wagons that day centered around Quin and DH.Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:40 pm Day 2 has another self vote, DH voted himself.
This was the Eod where I couldn't vote, I understood that was probably the reason for the curse to post in that odd way in D3. Sig had the same fate.
How these wagons formed?
Was the wagon on Lorab made to save someone?
I hoped i can find the answer at this
If that means anything
I guess it was weekend for everyone
I guess it was weekend for everyone
Eod 1
I am here reading and trying to find clues.
Yes but I will not town case myself.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:39 pmTbh it‘s rather silly reasons, wouldn‘t you agree ?Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:28 am
If you put."Fingers" instead "her" the sentene is
"Noted how Sig said Finger's Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel"
Now I realise I didn't do that smh
I see the shade in your post, you only pointed my low use of English
Don‘t think I know your scumgame, but you seem to cultivate an unpolarized style.
In which case I like to ask the question: Do you think there‘s anything in your ISO that spells townie for the game ?
Happened yesterday that everyone was happy to mischop a villager based on a solid case against them.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:29 pm@Michelle You’ve been in the thread since, but you still haven’t addressed ‘what all happened’ yesterday. Would love some input por favorMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 amI was RL busy so all the night passed without analysis from me. Any info helps when I back read so the fact Kate was the NK hence town, is important. Not for the Bea mischop but for the game state
Since I have Wilgy, Sloonei and Scotty as villagers my Poe is formed by the rest of the players and i should shrink it to give you 3 but i don't want to guess.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:45 amYou’ve been nondescript. At this point it’s hard to see that you haven’t had a chance to generate some decent reads, but even when you’ve been asked directly you’ve been hedgy.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:51 amWhy are you fully with her about me?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:21 amI think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:55 pmWe’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.
I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.
Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.
I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.
Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.
I remember Sloonei said something in an interaction with you the other day but he didn't answer my question
I was AFK a lot of time and I am still AFK today because we visit my mother in law out of town but I am back tonight to talk to everyone.
Who are top three most likely to be mafia right now?
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:42 am I am mostly through day 1, and having the knowledge of subsequent deaths is helping me to get a better feel, and regain a bit of confidence. I've always been a "bull in the china shop" type of civvie, and it's a shitty bull that lacks confidence, that isn't how you break china.
@Sloonei I have a MUCH better feel for you, and am going to accept the real possibility that the baddies were trying to paint a baddie target on you. You are definitely more tentative than I recall you being, but then so am I and so are alot of people in this thread. I have seen some stuff in Day 1 in context (this works for me soooo much better than ISO's) and a quick ISO of the time between than and where I came in, during day 3, that clarifies you for me.
Yet ... yet .... you voted for a low poster, and your rationale (not even in your voting post)
I know I will have to make a decision re Golden v. Quin, I have waffly feels re both Golden and Quin. Initially I had this "Baddie! Burn the Baddie!" thing going on in my head re Quin, but then when i realized why, and read him in context, that settled down and stopped coloring my reads. Then while I haven't felt a massively strong read on Golden, two things he's said, when he asked Kate if she was sure of me, then Kate dies that night. Then today, this:
I know it's "Not all about me" (a chasm many mafia players fall into, imo, thinking the thread play revolves around them, and it's a mistake I'm prone to at times). But But this really feels like the baddies knew they had to get rid of the both of us, and I'd be an easier lynch. Planting those seeds, man.
So re those two, I'm still not getting a clear thread on either, but they've swapped spaces in my head canon.
So imma drop a placeholder vote on [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine cause I also think she could be bad. I think her overall ISO is wishy, and reading in context she is self contradictory.
Although I do give her civvie props for the poll shapshots, super useful and a good town look, especially if you are trying to cultivate a town look.
So this is likely to change, as I said, I need to make a choice re Golden/Quin in my own mind.
I voted for pressure not for lynching them. I know I didn't explain much but I guess is pretty obvious
Why are you fully with her about me?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:21 amI think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:55 pmWe’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.
I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.
Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.
I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.
Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.
I know I was busy during the game and I couldn't have time to make cases on other players but I disagree with your other post "Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone."S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pmRIP KateScotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:56 pm I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.
So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.
With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.
I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.
I look forward to hearing your opinions.
I was RL busy so all the night passed without analysis from me. Any info helps when I back read so the fact Kate was the NK hence town, is important. Not for the Bea mischop but for the game state
I hope we'll play again! 
Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.
If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.
