The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 6:57 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:17 pm am wolf woof woof awooooo
I told you so

I believed you lol

Thank you for the game!

Can you post the starting roles and the actions @Epignosis ?

What's with this game alignments? Long Con choosed to be hydra, Flacon was hydra and maybe switched to town (doubt it) and Lorab choose a different wincon as well

My read wasn't so bad though, she played agendaless fmpov.

Loki switched Falcon with Long Con and Abigail with LoRab, in the first case they choose someone who they thought is town, would they choose the second time a townie in chop danger or one of them? We can only find it by voting Abigail again. If she is town, we'll be in a very bad position, if she is a wolf, we have a chance.

We don't have time to think at Dunya and Sig, and we can only hope Abigail flips wolf.

Abigail Sophia
6
50%
Voters: Lime Coke, LoRab, Syn, Simon, motobot, Michelle

I suppose the vote today is [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

Simon wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 5:49 pm
motobot wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 5:48 pm I didn't even notice that
Me neither.

Me neither.

Why are they off the poll, all of them?

motobot wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 5:40 pm Yes, I know I haven't posted much at all in a while. But I'm still voting Simon 'cause when a good few started to suspect him he started typing much less formally than when one or two people were voting him

Can you post your thoughts about everyone?

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 5:14 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 4:48 pm Can you explain your reds on Motobot?
@LoRab @Syn @Lime Coke

I have mixed feelings and I wish to talk more before Eod if possible.
So, here is what I said earlier.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:09 pm This makes me more convinced that one of the mini-Epis is bad. Just statistically, as well as probably not moto, because kiddos don’t lie well, and he posted he forgot about the game. I’ll take that at face value for the moment.

Between Abigail Sophia and Simon, my gut is AbSo (I shorten names. That’s why I’m LoRab. I do it to other names too. High five to SVS.) back to kids being not great at lying, I think her lack of posting—more so than last game, btw—and consistent voting indicates she has btsc so someone can remind and suggest who to vote for.

Simon could go either way. At this moment in time (which is admittedly migraine strewn and a bit drugged to dull the pain) I’m going to vote for AbSo. Totally open to changing my mind. But, between limited list and the above, it feels right.

[VOTE: AbSo] aubergine

Also, for the next round, I’m pretty sure Dunham and/or Sig are not Avenger aligned.
Currently, I have him penciled in for 1 of 2 possible civ roles because of the timing of things. But, I'm not totally convince he's good--because of the super low participation. Also, I wonder if (similar to AbSo, but without the 2 posts that look super polished) he is an extremely low poster because he doesn't know how to post when bad.

The last sentence is true, and about the coloured text it depends on personality and motivation. After al, it's just a simple sentence, not an elaborated lie.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 4:56 pm motobot only posts reads and arguments that are lifted from someone else on the same/last page

if he's town then there should be at least some miniscule effort to collaborate

I don't think he has much game experience and how talkative is he, but for me except the name there's no difference between Abigail and Motobot.
I had Simon as townie because he posted thoughts and seemed to care about the game.

Can you explain your reds on Motobot?
@LoRab @Syn @Lime Coke

I have mixed feelings and I wish to talk more before Eod if possible.

Brad is town, Syn is town, LoRab is town.

Dunya and Sig mising from the poll after they were both away it's too obvious to be scum together, but I don't know how things are going in this game.

Looks like today's chop is Abigail and I agree with it, but I think we also need another wagon and I would go for Dunya if I could. Zero posts but with actions to avoid the thread and the votes, except these are shenanigans and they are framed, but that could be valid for the previous action, now it's too much to consider scum need to frame 2 inactives.

I think if Dunya is town we lose anyway a valuable slot and also Idk how to consider the fact Sig didn't post since D2.

What everyone thinks about them?

VC

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Eod is in 2 hours, is anyone here?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 2:58 pm Ok I’ll be able to play the game again starting at the second half of day 6, I’m feeling ok and I’ll be getting on a plane back home

Can’t now though sorry

Good to know you are well!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 10:00 pm Means LC knew a wold

Agree, some of his posts make sense reading his role

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 12:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 3:52 am Falcon seemed more than willing to not save himself knowing he wasn’t going to die

Does falcon traditionally do a whole lot to save himself?

I can't remember

This is pure WIFOM though

If we assume that Falcon was switched with LC by Loki then the wolves didn't know that LC is aligned with them.
I think Falcon's scum equity is bigger in this case.

Is there any known possibility to have another reason for the Eod flip?

If Falcon is town I wish he would post anything to make us see it

@falcon45ca 'i am town' it's something you say regardless alignament, isn't it?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:36 pm Michelle anything to save this game at this rate?

This is so unusual, to not have activity at all that I don't know how to consider it.
I saw this is 2 cases: the main wagon is a wolf and his mates can't defend him because they would be outed, or the main wagon is not a wolf and the wolves don't care.
Otoh in this game not-a-wolf doesn't mean always town

What's your opinion Brad?

Spoiler: show

VC

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:02 pm I am town, tho it may not seem like it

I'll sheep TSP and [VOTE: sig] aubergine

This is all you can tell us?

I should sleep, my brain doesn't help me, I will be here in the morning when I wake up

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Nothing changed since yesterday.

If I am thinking at the vibes and content, I think Simon is the towniest of them

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:01 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 9:20 pm Which of the three Epi-spawn would you like to yeet the most? The least?
why are you doing this? If you want to lynch a kid make a case I probs wouldn't join you as I am getting zero baddie vibes from any of them.

In this post she implied a TR

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:57 pm I think there's probably at least one Wolf in them.

Which one has the biggest wolf equity from your pov?

*them

What's your read for tbem?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:41 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:39 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:15 am I for one will not blindly trust leetic.
I probs won't vote for any of the kids today---ffs I am a YaYa how could I?
Plan on taking my time this round.
She was defending the kids, meaning that probably she was against wolves' plans to obtain an easy mischop?
How do you know the kids aren't the Wolves?

I don't, but why would they kill a player defending them?
Seems suboptimal

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:15 am I for one will not blindly trust leetic.
I probs won't vote for any of the kids today---ffs I am a YaYa how could I?
Plan on taking my time this round.

She was defending the kids, meaning that probably she was against wolves' plans to obtain an easy mischop?

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:41 am Probs won't vote for this round:

LoRab
TSP
leetic

Reserving Judgement could vote for but I don't feel it:

Lime Coke
Long Con

Could vote for if a case was made that I agreed with:

sig
Porscha
Syn
falcon45ca
Michelle

Probs won't vote for this round: (unless one of them does something so obv that I cannot resist)

Simon
motobot
Abigail Sophia

Is passed out somewhere on a beach:
dunya

This is her reads list.
I don't know if this points towards anyone

Idk where to start with this activity, maybe with NKA.

Meanwhile, is anyone here?

What about you, what would you do?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 3:55 pm Hypothetically, Michelle, at what point would you choose to switch in her position?

I can't talk for someone else, I had this choice once and refused it.
But as exercise of imagination, I expect someone to turn bad when town can't win.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 1:00 am I was thinking more along the lines of the park that says., "You cannot change your win condition."

Like, that's kind of a given for almost every mafia role you ever get and it goes without being said. I feel like it was mentioned because it implies involuntarily alignment change.

Do you still think we have a cult in the game?

I get we have 2 possibilities of this Eod, one is Porscha still being a town flip, which would be explained by her insistence that she is town, and another being Porscha choosing to change sides and then she would know (probably) the wolves and was playing in antispew.
After I was wrong interpreting N1 flip, I don't think the WUs are giving us mech hints.

My personal take - I think it's too early in the game for a townie to give up and change wincon, especially for someone like Porscha who don't really enjoy to be a wolf. Her tone didn't change all game, and I think this is important, I think is hard for any player to keep the same vibe when they change alignament. I would expect an increased WIM if she would voluntarily choose to switch, and that didn't happen.

Spoiler: show

VC

I won't make a case because I am so tired but if anyone can tell me Falcon is town please tell me why and quote the post/s who make you think so.

Also can we consolidate on wagons?
I understand the case on Porscha but I think Falcon looks worse than her.
Both meta and game solve doesn't match with the town Falcon I know.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 12:37 pm I’m super sick, probably not gonna be around most of day

Take care of yourself and get better soon

What everyone thinks about Falcon?

Today's posts are not solving and I should read his all Iso who is not long, but also I want other opinions.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 9:30 am Why not Michelle is kinda tempting

Why?

Simon wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:56 pm Brad isn't exactly off the hook either, and there are a couple of reasons as to why.

The first reason lies within his behavior throughout the duration from day 2 to now. I've noticed that ever since the large debate between Brad and the recently resurrected leetic, Brad has had quite the temper since then. He may have also felt psychologically corned seeing as leetic was getting more people who trusted him. Ok some people trusted him and that includes myself, but others didn't. Brad on the other hand, only had a small amount of people who trusted him. (I even recall someone saying that said debate did nothing to move the game along after I said it was riveting, even though it started as the first piece of the puzzle that would lead up to how I was able to deduce this. But I'm getting off topic. Anyway, I suspect Brad is trying to use this temper in such a way to make others believe that he is being sincere. It's possible that he isn't holding much of any grudges anymore, but even so, this has not been overlooked.

The second reason is that he's been awfully quiet when it comes to accusations, especially when someone asks him a question or two. While it isn't illegal to dodge questions, I do believe it will make that person more suspicious the more it happens. I have read some replies of his that look like they were suggesting that he was shooting down different kinds of speculations from others. In other words, I haven't really seen him agree with anyone lately. And keep in mind, he hasn't really given much info lately either, so there is a bit of hypocrisy in this, but of course, I could be misremembering things, so please correct me if I am wrong about anything.

Blue text: what exactly makes you thinl he is faking it?
About the second part, it is better to show with posts such things because I didn't notice.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:20 am
motobot wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 4:53 pm I just realized my last post might not make sense after re-reading it. So to go into further detail Abigail was hesitant to vote Porscha, but she did anyway. I believe Abigail found out that even if she voted Porscha the vote would still lose.
uh I dont get it but I also dont really know how to interact with children so i'ma just say I dont get it and leave it at that lol

I think we always play with children, but we don't know it most of the time and I think we should have a normal/usual interaction.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:26 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 12:11 am brad better be town and like yeah it's for the reasons that we all know it is and actually I'd love it if he were a wolf and therefore I thikn we should chop him to prove that he can do it
relatable

No, we don't chop Brad to show that.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:29 am what was it? if I get voted you will see my flip?

Like we saw Leetic's flip, right?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am @long con why me over michelle, for example

What's your read on me, Porscha?

Spoiler: show

I am back, I was busy all day, it's Easter in my coutry this Sunday and the preparations take alot of time.

I skimmed the thread, I agree with giving to the kids more time to play, post and show alignament

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 10:41 pm uh that's announceable right

Is it?

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:27 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:20 pm Ok so I thought he had info, the way he came in hard after Brad. This is how an info role who can’t dump comes across. And if I had an info role, Brad is who I would have checked.

I put this out several times during the day period. I expected the three people who had experience with this kind of thing to pick up what I was putting out; LC, LoRab and Roxy. Instead all three of them said I was suspish.

Woo Hoo. Or maybe Woo HOO.

Have a safe night folks.
And:

are you suggesting that lime coke and leetic had btsc yesterday? Because that seems unlikely based on their back and forth.

This result (and rip leetic) does indicate that Willy was civ. Which sucks. But as a small silver lining, we have some more info.

That's exactly what I thought

I doubt the player who was in BTSC with Leetic can claim, seems like we can only speculate but we can't receive confirmation. Which is frustrating and fascinating in the same time because nowadays games are full of claims flying all over the thread.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 3:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:12 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:32 am @Roxy in response to what you asked me about wilgy

and tsp can read this too, if he's able

I simply have reasons to believe that there are a lot of power roles in play (this is a reason we should all believe, in fact,) and that while I think it's okay to assume a possible world where wilgy was the target of the nk from wolves, it should not be fully assumed as the truth because mechanics cannot be outed in thread

so what i'm trying to say is that we should be utilizing a balancing act in how much we believe a theory that cannot actually be proven true or false

if leetic had btsc with wilgy last night and believed he was town, then sure, that's something I am willing to assume is more likely than not (as I am proposing in how we should approach all things of this nature in the game) and I wasn't here for end of day cuz workscha so I took brad's conviction at more than face value since t hat's where I thought the conviction came from

though I initially had worries about him for raisins... w hich is still possible but I also kinda doubt wolf brad powerwolves out leetic here so idk lol maybe he's just town though again, like, I didn't love that he hasn't seemed to question my alignment at all whatsoever, but idk maybe he really took my masonry suggestion quite seriously lol
I agree, given that Leetic saw the role card and seemed convinced it was an NK I’m now leaning heavily in that direction
I think it was almost surely a night kill. It's just a matter if he was the intended target or not.

As I've said a few times, I think we can assume it likely was, with the caveat that it wasn't necessarily so.

Can we find out what happened?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:30 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:25 pm Ok back go being sus on Michelle as well
I had a complete gut intuition deep ping on Michelle, but probably not for the same reason you have.

Ask me anything, I am here to talk

Hi everyone, I saw the flip in the morning and I thought at it all day, because I was so sure we'll have a wolf flip..

I realised I was right on Wilgy for the wrong reason, but now that's a solid thing we can analise around it.
Leetic 's case on Brad was based on his knowledge of Wilgy being town, however I don't think this is changing my read on Brad, he is still town.
Both Wilgy's and Leetic' s reads are now thoughts of confirmed villagers and I want to check them closer.

I am going to catch up now

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:02 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:00 pm I think I have to sleep because my eyes don't want to cooperate anymore, if I stop posting, you know why.

Feeling good about my town read on Long Con
Yeah you're fine Michelle, thank you. <3

I don't think we have the night open again

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:58 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:14 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:12 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 11:16 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:23 pm I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground
And you know that how?
need to think about Lorab trying to push for info where/how she knows she shouldn't.
Huh?
If they knew "that" through their role, talking about it is forbidden.
Is that role fishing or not?
Not at all. I don’t think TSP would info dump. He’s an ethical player (and info dumping is against the rules). I was merely asking why he thought that.

That's fair
I took it as a theory, I didn't even consider it as info dump, rather as a proof he knows very well everyone's abilities in the avengers stories

I think I have to sleep because my eyes don't want to cooperate anymore, if I stop posting, you know why.

Feeling good about my town read on Long Con

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:41 pm
Spoiler: show
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:22 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 pm

I gave you an opportunity here to do something...again the only thing you did was look at Wilgy reads and that's it.

Again like I pointed out before there's plenty of content to look at.

Yet the only things that you've done are 1. Vote LC in which you have yet to develop a read on him beyond that and 2. Vote me based off of Wilgy reads and not your own.

Like you've spoken about 2 people. Are you in anti-spew?
Examining the flip is the natural thing to do in this gamestate. What are you doing but tunneling?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:30 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
DrWilgy
SVS
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon

Was debating on quoting and adding Wilgy since it's only him but fuck it will post it normal.
Got an entire list of towns here buddy...once again you lack a worldview...are you in anti-spew?
And what are you actually doing with it? I could put a list of green names with no further elaboration, doesn't mean I'm actually solving the game
You don't see me voting them, right?

If other people vote them then I'll stop them.

Most of them haven't been voted yet.

Do you wanna ask more useless questions for me to rip you in half more and more or do you wanna try solving the game and analyze what other slots are doing?
So you not doing something means you're doing something? Makes perfect sense. You do know what "tunneling" is, right?

Around this post, it wouldn't be hard for leetic to stop the argument and answer, instead his attitude is not helpful.
I get why he is town read for being vocal, but I just lost a game against a vocal player. I don't find his progression townie, it's like he is preparing it from the day start and he is focusing only on Brad, trying to shut him down like he wants to have the last word in a fight where he knows he is not in the right.

@S~V~S

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