The Syndicate

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:33 pm I am going out for a bit. I’ll be back for about an hour. As a show of good faith, i’m putting a vote on enrique for now. I encourage anyone else who’s here right now to take a look at him and try to determine his alignment one way or another. I took a quick glance at yesterday and came out with one post that I felt pointed strongly to him being town, but I did not do a thorough scan of his play as a whole.

I'm gonna go to bed, I'll either wake up being dead on the game (90%) or we probably win.

Either way making this post considering myself as the dead meat. Look into Enrique / FG. Tsp is 100% town. Or I won't have ice cream for a week. Marmot too. And nutella towny as well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:26 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:18 pm As for the reason
- mostly a feeling.
- your assessment on me is bad and I cannot let it go because I know who am I and it seems like the easy tunnel to mislynch I would expect scum to do.
- you are having the possibilities of me being town in a few rare posts but that seems like a setting for future?

The only positive thing apart from you activity would be, you voting for Vulgard last day and not me, cause I think with LC down, it won't make sense for you to vote vul as scum. But if we look at bigger picture why won't you vote vul to save you a spot in the town core?
I can do nothing with “mostly a feeling.”
Points 2 & 3 in conjunction paint a scenario in which I cannot win. Either I read you as scum, which (in your eyes) is bad, or I consider the alternative of you being town which is again (in your eyes) bad.

You are my top suspect and I have reason to town read everybody else. The thread has been dead today, presumably because everyone else is accepting your fate as a foregone conclusion. If I was fully satisfied with this result, I would not still be questioning you right now. As a civilian, it is my imperative to keep talking to you and to consider the future so that we have those possible other worlds set up in the event that you do flip town. I am doing all of this because I want you to show me that you are town and that somebody else is not.

Why does it seem bad that I specifically am wrong about you when nobody else (except for you) has made a case for any other suspect today? If I am wrong, the whole thread is wrong. Why am I singled out?

I don't know tbh. I think it's mostly a me problem because I rarely get sussed by others when I'm town and it just does not sit well with me. But I mean I should be expecting this when I'm changing playstyle. But either way -

You are singled out because -
1. You did the most work and even after diving that much deep your conclusions are wrong and I rarely see you considering a different world.
2. I have reasons to town read TSP, nutella and Marmot. On the other hand I am scum reading FG and Enrique yoia re in neither list. Because you have good sides as well as bad one.

Not really, but it we look at their iso it makes more sense that he is a scummate to vul.
-refuses to vote vul who could have been lynched.
-votes a person who would not get lynched [LC was not going to get lynched, their vote ans sus does not clear him at all.]
- votes the player who would get lynched in place of vul.

Their overall play has not been much either. Nothing worth town reading him for. Not much explanations on their reads either. They also seems to be demotivated, what you'd expect a scum to be rn.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:17 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:13 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:08 pm Also what is my alignment?
I don't know. I want to believe you are town but I'm still cannot go any further than null. Cause if you are the deep wolf. Town is doomed. I don't plan to just sheep read you, cause my flip might end up people diving into their read progession on me and you never know which would seem forced and which won't, so I'm just reading everyone exactly how it is seeming to me. Nothing more, nothing less. No sheeping.
What have I done that prevents you from town-reading me? Do you have any reason to be actively suspicious of me? Why am I specifically the “deep wolf” candidate?
Why can't you accept the fact that I'm not town reading you, Specifically, when you scum read me?
Because I haven’t seen you explain why the read exists yet, and this I am struggling to believe that it is genuine.

If we talking about genuine reads, how do you perceive Enrique's reads on others?

As for the reason
- mostly a feeling.
- your assessment on me is bad and I cannot let it go because I know who am I and it seems like the easy tunnel to mislynch I would expect scum to do.
- you are having the possibilities of me being town in a few rare posts but that seems like a setting for future?

The only positive thing apart from you activity would be, you voting for Vulgard last day and not me, cause I think with LC down, it won't make sense for you to vote vul as scum. But if we look at bigger picture why won't you vote vul to save you a spot in the town core?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:13 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:08 pm Also what is my alignment?
I don't know. I want to believe you are town but I'm still cannot go any further than null. Cause if you are the deep wolf. Town is doomed. I don't plan to just sheep read you, cause my flip might end up people diving into their read progession on me and you never know which would seem forced and which won't, so I'm just reading everyone exactly how it is seeming to me. Nothing more, nothing less. No sheeping.
What have I done that prevents you from town-reading me? Do you have any reason to be actively suspicious of me? Why am I specifically the “deep wolf” candidate?

Why can't you accept the fact that I'm not town reading you, Specifically, when you scum read me?

Progression ** yo what's wrong with me.

*I still

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:08 pm Also what is my alignment?

I don't know. I want to believe you are town but I'm still cannot go any further than null. Cause if you are the deep wolf. Town is doomed. I don't plan to just sheep read you, cause my flip might end up people diving into their read progession on me and you never know which would seem forced and which won't, so I'm just reading everyone exactly how it is seeming to me. Nothing more, nothing less. No sheeping.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:07 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:59 pmWhat I understood from the first made me say the quoted part. Because, as I said, that part mainly focused on aggressiveness and early distancing, which I still stand by with my earlier quote. I don't think I amde the statement without understanding that part you wrote. Unlike the latter part I agreed to. That part was specified and clear.
Then why did you ask what I meant?

Hmm I wanted you to explain more on the aggressive part and the early distancjng part I guess?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:33 pm I don't understand how that clears Enrique.
"I'm going to defend the one partner who's being treated as a piñata but give no solid justification for it and then, in the same breath, turn around and bury my other partner who nobody's even talking about" does not seem like a likely thought process from a member of the mafia team.

But I am open to Enrique being scum and will listen to arguments.

But also, more importantly, my question was specifically intended for Poison.

My take on the scum is Enrique/FG. And if not them probably you are the deep wolf. I don't see anyother person here who is one.

Vulgard was a certain lynch either Day 1 or Day 2. LC was playing different from his town game and it was quite visible and people would have caught him later on. Going after vul like everybody would be so mainstream and more like sheeping when Enrique is not even that active or loud with his opinions, at least not much.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:52 pm @Poison explain this post to me in a world where Enrique is mafia. #216 in case the link doesn't work.

He goes from hard defending Vulgard, who was under heavy pressure, to attacking Long Con, who was under little to no pressure, unprovoked in the same post.

In my last game as mafia and two games before that as town, the scum mates kinda did this. I won't say it's impossible from scum at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:26 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:53 pm So this is an assumption and lemme ask you this, do you think a scum would be town reading all town members and scum read his teammate, hmmm, kinda meh right? how about we look at the bigger picture -
Day 1, scum getting scum read to and fro, a townie getting scum read to and fro [if you don't believe I'm town just assume here] what would the scum do?
Try to give explanations and lynch the townie as if it's their solid scum read? Or any other thing he would have done?

Is it so unbelievable a scenario?
Vulgard was not town reading all the town members. He voted for Marmot soon after the post in question. He pushed for Syn consistently throughout the day and Alison early on. He pushed hard on Mac after LC flipped. I think those are two members.
I think Vulgard being under such significant pressure from such an early stage would force him to do some things he normally wouldn't. That's not a comfortable position to be in for anybody, let alone a wolf in a relatively new environment. He had to be careful and also probably try to start setting up some distance between himself and his partner(s). I think his interactions with you look the most like what I'd assume distancing would look like in this instance.

Okay then, all I can say is the assumption is wrong here, because even Vulgard knew he would not be able to push a lynch on anyone you mentioned but me. His push on me made more sense than the others but I can't change your mind.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:22 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:44 pm what do you mean by the colored part @Sloonei i don't think that is necessarily right. I was pretty aggressive while soft shading/distancing TSP early in the game.
The point I was trying to make in the text you highlighted is the same one that I made in more detail immediately afterward (in your post), about which you said this:
Unlike the above post, I think this post makes a fair point and I can agree to it.
By "If they are partners, I expect them to be a bit closer in tone here." I meant to say that if funnygurl and vulgard are partners, then their interactions will feel more coordinated than they were. "Closer in tone", meaning they will both have a relatively similar tone to one another during the interactions, and the relationship between them (vulgard as the aggressor versus funnygurl) should remain as it is.
But, as I noted in the next post, which you agreed with, that did not happen. Vulgard started out aggressive, funnygurl responded with heightened intensity, and Vulgard folded and turned defensive.

Why did you say you "dont think that is necessarily right" if you did not understand the point I was trying to make?

What I understood from the first made me say the quoted part. Because, as I said, that part mainly focused on aggressiveness and early distancing, which I still stand by with my earlier quote. I don't think I amde the statement without understanding that part you wrote. Unlike the latter part I agreed to. That part was specified and clear.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:39 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps
I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.
Could something obvious have happened?

I'm pretty sure not cause if him getting out of the thread was from my role then how did Alison got out of the thread. Also, the host informed me nothing happened because of my role.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:48 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 pm i don't think i'ma waver from my poison scum read though

So scum loses this game? So early???
is this a scum claim

If I claim town, would you believe me?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:38 am
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:34 pm Hasn't she posted a lot today though?
What's your read on me?
Town.

I'm townreading everyone right now

Everyone.... That's like trsut... A lot of trust!!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps
I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.
well something clearly happened

the host informed me nothing happened from my role.

[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps

I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 pm i don't think i'ma waver from my poison scum read though

So scum loses this game? So early???

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:54 pm I have strong reasons to town read everyone but Poison.
I have clear reasons to suspect Poison independent of the POE.

You have to find strong reasons to scum read from the people you have found strong reasons to town read, better start early? I mean it does not matter if you lynch me or not, you have to do it either way. Maybe you don't realize but because I'm seeming scummy to you, you are not ready to look around you.

I mean for the town's good, maybe consider another mafia to be here and look for them? Who would that be? Shall we try to find that out?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:56 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm Poison’s lack of posts makes me fairly confident this is a hit
But didn't you say I am playing like last game, were there any moments when people said this.
It would have been said if you had lost energy. And I think you would have lost energy with substantial pressure on you.

I see

I'm going back to sleep would be back later

Let's compare these three player assessments. Alison has "really, really leveled up"; i.e., she looks much better now than she did before. Okay.
Poison "is weird... muted... very, very odd." She possibly has TMI and it "feels awful" despite the hedge about the "hot take."
Marmot is "kinda towny" but we're just gonna chuck that read out of the window because

If one of these is Vulgard's teammate, it's Poison.

So this is an assumption and lemme ask you this, do you think a scum would be town reading all town members and scum read his teammate, hmmm, kinda meh right? how about we look at the bigger picture -
Day 1, scum getting scum read to and fro, a townie getting scum read to and fro [if you don't believe I'm town just assume here] what would the scum do?
Try to give explanations and lynch the townie as if it's their solid scum read? Or any other thing he would have done?

Is it so unbelievable a scenario?

The Alison read reads as a wolf surrendering on a push against a civilian who has become obvious. Marmot is town because "I read my teammate as town for no reason but I don't care about this read so I'm gonna ignore it and then vote for them" is not a thing that happens.
Poison gets three vaguely negative adjectives applied to her ("weird, muted, odd") before we get to the meaty part of the read, which is itself filled with erinaceous (this is a word and we're gonna make it catch on) language: "It seems...", "possibly indicative..." "I know x, but y." Given the conviction behind Vulgard's previous suspicions (Alison, Syn), the softness of this read makes it feel like he is hesitating and trying not to come off too strong. Also, this is his first mention of Poison in his ISO. Marmot as well, but Poison had been much more active than Marmot to this point.

The adjective deduction is brilliant, not necessarily right but brilliant. I would definitely take advantage of this to confuse you next game.

Does Vulgard treat his teammate like this? No one was really pressuring funnygurl at this point. Vulgard was starting to feel some heat at this point, though. This feels a bit too early for a panic bus on his part. Tentative good look for funnygurl. He substantiates his point here.

This is an easy early distancjng because vul was always getting scum read right after the 2 pages. I don't see why a scummate won't do this?

This does not feel like a staged interaction between teammates. funnygurl's tone is much more aggressive. Vulgard responds a bit timidly, turning her read into a question and then shrugging. If they are partners, I expect them to be a bit closer in tone here. For reference, Vulgard's next post is a similar response to Syn:

what do you mean by the colored part [mention]Sloonei[/mention] i don't think that is necessarily right. I was pretty aggressive while soft shading/distancing TSP early in the game.

Post #124 is funnygurl's response to the above post. She again comes off as the aggressor here, and Vulgard is clearly on the defensive in his response. I do not think this is what distancing looks like: vulgard initiated it, but funnygurl immediately spun it back around on him. If they are distancing, I would expect it to be move more consistently in one direction; Vulgard starts as the aggressor and maintains that role throughout, with only slight pushback from funnygurl. Instead, Vulgard made one point about funnygurl, and she immediately started wielding that to push her own suspicion against him, and his only response was to duck and cover.

Unlike the above post, I think this post makes a fair point and I can agree to it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 am Poison has the floor.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:34 pm Hasn't she posted a lot today though?

What's your read on me?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm Poison’s lack of posts makes me fairly confident this is a hit

But didn't you say I am playing like last game, were there any moments when people said this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:28 pm If it’s not poison then it’s enrique.
If it’s not poison or enrique then it’s someone well-concealed or not in the thread.

I think Enrique, funnygurl PoE is good.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:56 pm we /can/ hammer here. there's very little loss of value.

*wild poison appears*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:00 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:54 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:51 pm Either way, if everyone is convinced that Sloonei is locked town, I would suggest them to look into FG and Enrique
I have already done this. Do you disagree with anything I said in my big posts from today?
Since the conclusion is wrong, I think I can counter my actions, while I'm a little but unsure how the scum shaded me, I'm yet to read the entire post. I can certainly reply to every bit of it when I'm on PC.
I am mostly just interested in my reasons for town-reading funnygurl and enrique. You do not need to respond to or read everything.

Sure thing. I'll do it, it's hard to do it on phone, I'll be at it when I'm on PC. I'm going back to sleep for now

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:59 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:49 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:47 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:45 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:41 pm like i'm just saying if sloonei were scum someone woulda caught him by now
Is he an obvious scum?
i played two games with scum sloonei (one turbo and one full game) and caught him both times lol... though i also lost both games. but you know, it's whatever. im still salty tsp

but in the full game, epi just like.... got him. it was wild. so i'd assume that other syndicate regulars would be able to catch him too
Do you think with vul being obv scum, me being sketchy and sloonei's activity anyone would try to look into him instead of focusing on us?
sloonei's activity's been hella pro-town so i mean nah? why should i question him? he's been doing All The Right Things

From your perspective, from mine I can see him adding fuel in a mislynch. Although I do agree he is trying to reevaluate as well, I might just be wrong about him.

And I thought I won't do wallies this game, but two wolves down might actually give it a shot.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:54 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:51 pm Either way, if everyone is convinced that Sloonei is locked town, I would suggest them to look into FG and Enrique
I have already done this. Do you disagree with anything I said in my big posts from today?

Since the conclusion is wrong, I think I can counter my actions, while I'm a little but unsure how the scum shaded me, I'm yet to read the entire post. I can certainly reply to every bit of it when I'm on PC.

Again, [mention]Sloonei[/mention] maybe we can look past me and try to look at other people now, while you can have an assured lynch!poison. No harm in that is there?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:49 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:43 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:40 pm I think I'm kinda here :
TSP
Marmot
Nutella

Enrique

Sloonei
Funnygurl
Why am I not town?
I don't know for sure tbh but your progression on me seems sketchy, as if you wanna say you did find me scummy because of these things, I might just be wrong though. But I had hard time reading you as any alignment this game tbh.
I was Not Town in your eyes before all of this. Why wasn't I town on Day 1?
Why is my progression on you sketchy in particular? Everyone else suspects you right now as well.

Yes, I don't know tbh, your early Day 1 posts were okay maybe a bit towny as well, the later half of Day 1 was a bit NAIish? I never really read you town, I wonder why.

Either way, if everyone is convinced that Sloonei is locked town, I would suggest them to look into FG and Enrique

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:47 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:45 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:41 pm like i'm just saying if sloonei were scum someone woulda caught him by now
Is he an obvious scum?
i played two games with scum sloonei (one turbo and one full game) and caught him both times lol... though i also lost both games. but you know, it's whatever. im still salty tsp

but in the full game, epi just like.... got him. it was wild. so i'd assume that other syndicate regulars would be able to catch him too

Do you think with vul being obv scum, me being sketchy and sloonei's activity anyone would try to look into him instead of focusing on us?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:43 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:40 pm I think I'm kinda here :
TSP
Marmot
Nutella

Enrique

Sloonei
Funnygurl
Why am I not town?

I don't know for sure tbh but your progression on me seems sketchy, as if you wanna say you did find me scummy because of these things, I might just be wrong though. But I had hard time reading you as any alignment this game tbh.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:41 pm like i'm just saying if sloonei were scum someone woulda caught him by now

Is he an obvious scum?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:40 pm sloonei is lock town

actually though talk about your marmot read. that's spicy

Tbh, I wonder about that, doing such a long assessment and being wrong idk tbh.

About my marmot read, it's not spicy, I have town read him from the beginning. He seems carefree, his reads are independent, he agrees/disagrees despite them being his town/wolf reads, a very towny thing in my opinion.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:39 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:38 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:32 pm alright so poison, you suspect me

why?
Because all you did this game was sheeping. And your voting pattern is not quite the towniest, if it is not your playstyle.
when did i sheep?

Well it seems like that, you have always talked and agreed with whatever is happening in the thread.

I think I'm kinda here :
TSP
Marmot
Nutella

Enrique

Sloonei
Funnygurl

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:32 pm alright so poison, you suspect me

why?

Because all you did this game was sheeping. And your voting pattern is not quite the towniest, if it is not your playstyle.

So here's the deal, you guys can lynch me at EoD, keep me aside and try to find the actual scum maybe, we still need something for the next day

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:27 pm poison's not a newb newb but i'm just saying that's one of the Big Mistakes of Newer Wolves

Sloonei, with your 'adjectives' judgement, how many times were you correct?

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