The Syndicate

I guess I should probably clarify, I think it’s proooooobably optimal to kill that slot, but I don’t think ty4 has done anything individually to deserve to die

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on

I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:47 am I’m happy with that start. Unfortunately the rest of my TRs are on the other side.

Who else can we add? Should be at least 2 more if we wanna be able to throw some weight around.
Did any of your reads change from the other side do you still have access to their d2?

I don’t have access to the other side D2, and I’m not gonna talk about my SRs from the other side because I’d prefer not to catch a bullet if I’m right.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:45 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:17 pm
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I was looking back at this personally if all actions have a cost I would assume they have a limitied number of uses I think we need to vote upon saving shots for the vig.

This is also backed up b my the claim from the other side of actions costing 1 instead of 2
Hmmm... this is a good point.

No it isn’t. For one I’m not convinced there’s a town sided vig. For another, can we even talk about roles? For a third, vigs are on average town-negative, we shouldn’t be trying to help them take more shots.

I’m happy with that start. Unfortunately the rest of my TRs are on the other side.

Who else can we add? Should be at least 2 more if we wanna be able to throw some weight around.

Ok cool. I’m gonna [VOTE: Vanity] aubergine then

I’m here for five minutes until I get my coffee, ama

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:26 pmSure

Can we do vanity first or are you set on elephant?

A no kill with this many people alive is dumb imo. Seems unlikely zero scum would be left in this group, and even on the minuscule chance that happened....we need flips to sort people and figure that out, yo.

Plus my blood thirst wouldn’t be sated.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:28 pm Just a quick thought here Trustworthy Liberal, I don't know that someone who is scum would blatantly say "don't want my partner lynched".

The Bucs are on now (I live in Tampa for those of you who don't know) so I'll be afk for a while.

Oh dang, I would’ve waved hi if I’d known, drove through Tampa earlier today.

Also disagree that scum won’t say “don’t want my partner killed,” but YMMV. I would remind that this is a game with a lot of different site styles involved so different meta expectations may be in play.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:06 pm For me it's more that Elephant started up sowing doubt on vanity who was previously on most people's town lists iirc, and if they were teammates I don't know that he'd deliberately start a case on a partner who looked townie -- BUT maybe that's what he wants me to think lol.
This is a reasonable read imo, I’ll buy it

Since I’m buying that, can I sell you on a vanity vote instead? Granted I haven’t read most of the thread, but vanity has been scummier from what I have read.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:06 pm For me it's more that Elephant started up sowing doubt on vanity who was previously on most people's town lists iirc, and if they were teammates I don't know that he'd deliberately start a case on a partner who looked townie -- BUT maybe that's what he wants me to think lol.

This is a reasonable read imo, I’ll buy it

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm Well that's just IBA tho

Tbf it’s not the first time I’ve shouted at a partner in thread lol

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:48 pm @Hyena you have said you want to resolve on of Elephant or vanity today. Is your thinking that one of them is w and the other t? I don't think they are both w because Elephant seemed genuinely upset by vanity's reaction to his post so I don't think they were distancing. Just want to get your thoughts -
Scum can get genuinely upset at a partners post or treatment of them in thread. It’s maybe the easiest way to distance imo.
Ok, I don't know if I've ever seen that - real anger instead of fake anger - but it would certainly be a good distancing technique.

Are you seeing both Elephant and vanity as scum right now (I know your vote is on Elephant) or have you not seen enough yet to have that opinion? I'm really struggling with them, I exited the last day phase with a town lean on both.

Vanity is a scum lean from what I’ve seen of them, elephant I don’t really have a read on but I’m sheeping nutes.

My point is more that it’s possible than that I think it’s necessarily the case here.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:44 pm Ok I can take a hint, lol.
It wasn’t a hint, I just haven’t had time to do more than skim! That’s a reflection on me, not you lol
Oh! ok thanks - I can imagine it's hard to catch up with day 2.

Yeah, post to your hearts content! I was asking for the depth of the TR on you, not shading your post volume

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:48 pm @Hyena you have said you want to resolve on of Elephant or vanity today. Is your thinking that one of them is w and the other t? I don't think they are both w because Elephant seemed genuinely upset by vanity's reaction to his post so I don't think they were distancing. Just want to get your thoughts -

Scum can get genuinely upset at a partners post or treatment of them in thread. It’s maybe the easiest way to distance imo.

Kinda feeling hyena town tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:29 pm Is there a reason that juliets is town beyond “posting a lot” ?

I’ve only skimmed pieces so I’m genuinely asking for input
I have a few reasons I've decided to lean town on her, things that lean toward the realm of "townslips"/her perspective on certain game topics really sounds like a town perspective and not scum who might know more, though that's obviously easily faked. I still have reservations about her so I need to review what these various things that jumped out at me as "probably just town then" were and how strongly they should contribute to my read of her

Reasonable and noted

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:44 pm Ok I can take a hint, lol.

It wasn’t a hint, I just haven’t had time to do more than skim! That’s a reflection on me, not you lol

Is there a reason that juliets is town beyond “posting a lot” ?

I’ve only skimmed pieces so I’m genuinely asking for input

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:05 pm [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

I’m super behind now apparently, probably just gonna sheep my homie Nutella’s votes until I have some of my own.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:17 pm Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.
Texas died? Damn there goes my scum read
It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.
Wait why
Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.
N1, Tony and Texas were killed.
N2, DF and Benson were killed.
Occams razor would suggest that we have two killing powers in the midst of our small group. The DF kill feels town-aligned, the Benson kill does not.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.

It’s a guess that nova was TKed, tbh. I think it’s reasonable, but it’s also possible I was—the way that voting was totally secret, it might have been possible for scum to have stacked on one player they wanted dead. It makes more sense for nova to be TKed though, given in thread suspicions voiced. Either way it prooooobably just means I’m town, but without a better idea of exactly how mechanics work it probably shouldn’t be locked in.

If I’m gonna do mec spec though, seems likely that this level determines death, and votes at a lower level just send people up? Would fit with flavor at least.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:17 pm Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.
It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.
Wait why
Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.

Without full understanding of the mechanics I think mec locking me is suboptimal tbh.

That being said I should be widely townread for my D1 push on drago and my interactions with Nutella that led to that push starting.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:16 pm So wait let me get this straight. You guys votes privately, and then at EOD you saw boo's flip from our lynch, just like we did? And you didn't get to see who from your side got lynched, but you assume it was nova, so do you think they got to see Nova's flip at end of night when you were appearing here?

I think it was mod error, or was worded as if it was.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:55 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both
There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.
If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with
Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?

Boo was a mis-kill. Nova never flipped.

I don’t remember what Nova was SR for tbh, I think it was mostly activity and tone, maybe vote but I don’t remember.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both

There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.

Oh Epi was also somewhat scummy but that’s lower confidence for me

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:45 pm Man I also think pawn is scum sure wish I could lynch him

Same dude

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:44 pm So I know nutella and Elephant are going to groan but @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @Ty4on I put together the votes for the last day phase as they occurred by time on a list I was just going to use for my own reference but I'm happy to share that if it would make this any easier for you to adapt to this thread.

I’m probanly more interested in people’s impressions of yesterday than that, but thank you!

Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back

I’m glad I’m in Nutella’s group btw cause Nutella is 99% town for me

Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:38 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:04 pm Ugh Benson.

And two town wagons yesterday.

Welcome @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @Ty4on can't wait to hear where you guys have been.
Yooooo

We got split into our own thread, we couldn’t discuss votes in a group narrower than 3 or try to convince people to vote, rabbit had a hare brained theory that all the syndicate regulars are scum, pawn is actually kinda scum, and boo flipped town.
You think pawn is scum too? That’s one of the few “I guess” reads that I made during the night.

I think >rand chance, yeah.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:04 pm Ugh Benson.

And two town wagons yesterday.

Welcome @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @Ty4on can't wait to hear where you guys have been.

Yooooo

We got split into our own thread, we couldn’t discuss votes in a group narrower than 3 or try to convince people to vote, rabbit had a hare brained theory that all the syndicate regulars are scum, pawn is actually kinda scum, and boo flipped town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:22 pm Why are you guys voting epi what in the hot shit
If Epi wasn't Epi I think he'd have a lot more voted. He's cruising too much imo. I sense that he has been manipulating people.
Cruising? Bitch, I'm working all the damn time.

Man I feel this in my soul

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:26 pm Wait is epi the syndicate and borderline prescriptivist version of me? Cause that’s the vibe I’m getting
I said I wasn't a Prescriptivist. Maybe you have a different definition of Prescriptivist than I do.

I did say borderline

I like 112 though

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:27 pm I'm a little bit boggled by the fact that TSP, 112 and Drago appear to all be awol. I am wondering whether the wolves are taking advantage of that with some of these votes.
That's what my scum team did in G8.

I'm up for consolidating on someone else.

In G8 two of our scum team were in the idlers lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:26 pm Wait is epi the syndicate and borderline prescriptivist version of me? Cause that’s the vibe I’m getting
Dom and Epi are both similar to you.

In that case they can both burn in hell. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

Wait is epi the syndicate and borderline prescriptivist version of me? Cause that’s the vibe I’m getting

Tbf prescriptivists can burn in hell

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm Wait I’m getting my way? Yippee!
This is creepy

No u

Let me be happy bb

Alrighty guys I have to focus on work now.

Thank you so much for pushing drago with me, please finish the push and bring it home, I believe in you, etc. etc.

Hm ok I actually think hyena is >rand town now

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:35 pm I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.
Who would you suggest for falling within that group?
No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.
Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.
Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

Idk if he’s scum or not but yeah if he is I’d say partners in the low posters.

But let’s focus on getting drago dead first.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:35 pm I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.
Who would you suggest for falling within that group?
No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.

Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.

Wait I’m getting my way? Yippee!

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:32 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm From the 5 posts of TL thay I’ve read he seemed townie.

I suspect this sort of thing happens to him a lot when he plays outside his home community but who am I to stop you from ignoring the obvious scum in order to kill sweet TL instead.
who's the obvious scum?
Drago and to a lesser extent Texas
yea drago feels hard to wagon

i said kill drago like 3 times yesterday and people dont follow me

but its easy to wagon michelle and TL

i normally dont use these kinds of reads but the contrast is really stark

back onto drago it is

[v]dragomir[/v]

It’s too bad we weren’t on at the same time maybe if we’d harmonized people would’ve listened

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm From the 5 posts of TL thay I’ve read he seemed townie.

I suspect this sort of thing happens to him a lot when he plays outside his home community but who am I to stop you from ignoring the obvious scum in order to kill sweet TL instead.
who's the obvious scum?

Drago and to a lesser extent Texas

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