The Syndicate

Yes I realized it as soon as I asked

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:35 pm If y'all were curious the misroll was Ted, JJJ, and Dana

Thanks for all being such great players for a first game as host! If there's interest, I'll prob be hosting another messenger mafia in the future!

What happened that necessitated the reroll

I probably keep forgetting cause I'm confusing who I targeted for chat with who I nked, senior problems amirite

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:45 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:43 pm But nook said he targeted esooa d3 unless I misunderstood
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME square this up please.
Yeah I did, mac has it right

I keep forgetting I changed my target halfway through the night

*did crosstarget

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:45 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:43 pm But nook said he targeted esooa d3 unless I misunderstood
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME square this up please.

Yeah I did, mac has it right

I keep forgetting I changed my target halfway through the night

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:33 pm I don't even understand the policy behind it. You hardcore buried sean on Day 1 and Nanook sheeped you. Shouldn't we be policy-yeeting him?

I had an independent scumread

Fine, kill me today and Mac tomorrow, idc

I hard pushed him d1, kept him in my poe, consistently told mac over and over that btsc wasn't a good reason to tr sean. I'm never partners with him, clear me or kill me today because I will not be talking about it at f3 if im there

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:19 pm I'm pretty clearly never teamed with Sean and I never don't take at least one of esooa and Dana to f5 at least, go piss in someone else's lawn
I could literally make the exact same argument and yet you are voting for me.

You're special

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:17 pm Why are you voting me Nanook? What's your issue?
Its d5, you're alive, you shouldn't be in f3

You know I'm not wrong
Pretty easy argument for a wolf to make to coast to f3.

What is the actual logical argument for why I shouldn't be in f3 btw?

You know mac can't be allowed in f3 lol

I'm pretty clearly never teamed with Sean and I never don't take at least one of esooa and Dana to f5 at least, go piss in someone else's lawn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:17 pm Why are you voting me Nanook? What's your issue?

Its d5, you're alive, you shouldn't be in f3

You know I'm not wrong

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:12 pm Also uh look at the NKs and tell me i make those as mafia lol, specifically esooa and Dana
Explain why? From where I am sitting I have no particular reason to think you wouldn't.

They were both hard nanook siding

Also uh look at the NKs and tell me i make those as mafia lol, specifically esooa and Dana

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:09 pm @Justplayingitcool what's Nook been like in chat?

Uninspiring

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 5:24 pm Anyone around lol

Just us meerkats

Mac targeted me d3

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:41 am Oh strange, not sure why I thought you were in a chat together.

Who did you target for chats?

Mac, Jay, esooa, Dana, let it rand last night and guess what

It was falcon

I may be cursed

Whats gonna happen is were gonna kill Joseph and if he flips town were gonna kill whomever he says to in f3

Oh, I didn't have chat with her either, Dana reported they were fairly active in chat tho iirc, and we did a bit of message passing using Dana

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:13 am
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Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:30 pm Oh Sloonei isn't in this game

Hardclaim mason with Sean.
Oh, I see how it is... Second choice for mason...

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:01 pm Gosh dangit, I even picked Jay for my chat partner.
You didn't think Jay was likely to die?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:24 pm @Seanzie how you doin' buddy? Come and vote plz?
lol u want ted dead that bad eh

I want sean to come say things and vote, that's a reasonable desire.

Don't think this set of posts ever makes marmot scum with Sean - if I was a wolf with sean, I don't think anyone would outright state in the thread that they want them to come in and vote at a critical time of the game where sean was on the chopping block. Combined with the kill, marmot seems like the red herring and shaded in his direction.

I don't think mafia would target the chat on the same day as the night kill. If we also believe that our conclusion on D1 mafia didn't target their partner, then this should mean marmot is a good rodent. I would be sceptical about the conclusion if it was marmot who stated it in thread, but instead, it was TSP.

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:42 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:28 am i mean in that game you killed jay and then sloonei and i think then won it's not really like there was a lot else to do
You clearly didn't read wolfchat.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:46 am
Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:44 am who did you chat with today sean?
TonyStonkPrime.

I challenged him to a game of chess with the caveat that the loser has to out their alignment. He beat me in 13 moves...

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:53 am TSP isn't playing a game to find out my partner though, which is SUS

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:48 am he's a wolf

I think these sets of posts are pretty interesting in hindsight now. TSP was telling me in chats that all sean did was play chess, rather than solve via Discord as Mac claimed they did with him, or sean just trying to resolve JJJ in marmots chat. I don't think TSP and sean make this set of posts if they were aligned together as wolves - could be bussing but again from the chats with TSP and reading back we came up with some solid reasoning to suspect sean, he even encouraged me to vote sean in Discord. I find it a tad concerning that marmot & TSP both had different experiences with Sean in their AIM chats compared to Mac.

We also talked about the Esooa nk a bit and seeing it was a bit strange because they were quiet in the thread, so it's very possible they were active in their btsc. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, you were in a chat with them I believe, did they say they had any active suspicions on the people alive?

In a chat with...Sean? I wasn't.

Mac trying to use btsc to clear sean is probably >rand not partnered but idk how much confidence I have in that read tbh

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:49 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:58 pm Sean/Dana are Ted’s most likely Partners IMO.
Mac is the designated ML in a Ted!Mafia world.
Gavial's take on Day 2, we shoulda listened to him.

I'll take a sentence we should never take seriously for a thousand, Alex

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 12:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:54 am I have actually just played two other games that have ended in the last couple weeks where sean was also scum. One over on PerC, and another here (Beelzebub Mafia). Sean had me bamboozled in both of those games, in that I eventually had him townread, and it took some convincing from other players to read him otherwise.

Looking at those games, there is one thing I can see that is a pattern, sean seems to like have a set of 2-3 players he suspects where one of them is a teammate of his. In Beelzebub on Day 1, sean took a little heat, and called out esooa/hk for crappy votes, but in the end, let me get yeeted. HK was his teammate, esooa was not. Similarly in the PerC game, sean spent Day 1 having suspicions on Sonny (T) and Erika (M), albeit, he didn't push them and let another townie get yeeted.

Sean won Beelzebub, because hk flipped, giving sean credit to live to endgame. In the PerC game, sean was the first wolf to flip, so he never got the chance to get any credit for it.

I don't know if that pattern will hold as easily in this game, having only one teammate. It's possible this could happen. If there are players sean was suspecting but not pushing, that would be where to look. But I'd be more inclined to believe that sean either protected or ignored his teammate. I think ya'll have come to that conclusion about ted at this point.
Who would fit that mold d1 iyo

That's two separate ideas I threw out
1) Sean interacted little with his partner
2) Sean shielded/townread his partner

ted - Sean had one shallow interaction with ted before stating a TR of him. There's also posts like this that push Mac away from ted. Fits the theory.
Nanook - Sean took a kind of "shade Nanook for keeping his cards close to his chest", which imo, is an easy way for a wolf to treat town-Nanook. Not a fit.
Mac - Sean had a bit of a defensive approach to Mac's Day 1 suspicions, which to me looked like someone trying to throw a townie off the trail, not distancing. Regardless, doesn't fit the above theory.
falcon - These two had a lot to say to each other. Falcon TR'd sean for his spelling mistake. Sean questioned a few people Day 1 about their TR's of falcon. Falcon himself was never a TR of sean though, so he doesn't fit.
JPIC - no meaningful interaction until Day 3 + sean gave him a TR on Day 1 + they targeted all the same people for BTSC. This is a fit.
TSP - a few interactions, voted TSP on Day 2. Not a fit.

So that leaves ted and JPIC based on the above theory.

I'm more interested in who fits this part tbh

Looking at those games, there is one thing I can see that is a pattern, sean seems to like have a set of 2-3 players he suspects where one of them is a teammate of his. In Beelzebub on Day 1, sean took a little heat, and called out esooa/hk for crappy votes, but in the end, let me get yeeted. HK was his teammate, esooa was not. Similarly in the PerC game, sean spent Day 1 having suspicions on Sonny (T) and Erika (M), albeit, he didn't push them and let another townie get yeeted.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:54 am I have actually just played two other games that have ended in the last couple weeks where sean was also scum. One over on PerC, and another here (Beelzebub Mafia). Sean had me bamboozled in both of those games, in that I eventually had him townread, and it took some convincing from other players to read him otherwise.

Looking at those games, there is one thing I can see that is a pattern, sean seems to like have a set of 2-3 players he suspects where one of them is a teammate of his. In Beelzebub on Day 1, sean took a little heat, and called out esooa/hk for crappy votes, but in the end, let me get yeeted. HK was his teammate, esooa was not. Similarly in the PerC game, sean spent Day 1 having suspicions on Sonny (T) and Erika (M), albeit, he didn't push them and let another townie get yeeted.

Sean won Beelzebub, because hk flipped, giving sean credit to live to endgame. In the PerC game, sean was the first wolf to flip, so he never got the chance to get any credit for it.

I don't know if that pattern will hold as easily in this game, having only one teammate. It's possible this could happen. If there are players sean was suspecting but not pushing, that would be where to look. But I'd be more inclined to believe that sean either protected or ignored his teammate. I think ya'll have come to that conclusion about ted at this point.

Who would fit that mold d1 iyo

Good vibes

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 4:45 am also, regarding the sean read, i already said i’ve been flip flopping for days on him

Yeah, I get that, its just

Tough not to see that as a partnered interaction you know

If you flip green ill probably just sheep your reads tomorrow

Could just be town stuck in an awkward place, but it also looks like the progression of a partner that dislikes bussing and pivoted after it was clear they were both in danger

Idk

I was gonna give ted credit for voting sean but his progression on him d3 from TRing him to self prez to the team being mac and sean is kind of awkward

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:03 pm I'm lock clear so that's nice at least
How so?
I hard pushed sean and didn't stop until he had no traction
Who's in your Top 3 POE?

A "top 3 poe" is literally just the poe lol

Not sure yet

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 9:03 pm I'm lock clear so that's nice at least
How so?

I hard pushed sean and didn't stop until he had no traction

I'm lock clear so that's nice at least

On the one hand Joseph does have good associatives with sean

On the other hes still alive on d4

HMMMMMM

Night kill analysis

Town kill

Elimination

Chop

I feel like ted is just trying to bravado his way out of the TK but idk that its ai

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:07 pm Is it just me, or does it feel like Nanook is doing less and less as the game goes on?
I did more d2 than d1
Do you feel you've done as much D3 as D1?

Dunno

Maybe? Probably?

Don't really care

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:07 pm Is it just me, or does it feel like Nanook is doing less and less as the game goes on?

Is there anything specific you don't like about him, or is it just the decrease in activity?
Not just activity, but reasons for his vote. He voted me 1st simply cuz of his agreement w/ Mac after he got Mac to push Gav, and then switched to Ted cuz Mac told him his POE was shit & he had to rethink his TR.

How do you feel about him?

Yeah, that's extremely townie behavior you're highlighting

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:07 pm Is it just me, or does it feel like Nanook is doing less and less as the game goes on?

I did more d2 than d1

No a literal magic eight ball

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:30 pm We have four kills

Falcon is one

Sean and jpic probably

Nobody else really inspires me, we'll figure it out
Why are you voting Ted?

My magic eight ball told me to

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:57 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:50 am if mac is a wolf i’ll predict how the game’s gonna go here and now

i’m gonna vote for him and say he’s scum at least once every dayphase, we’re gonna go for another random yeet for like 2 days in a row and when we get to YeLo, everyone’s gonna go “what has ted done?”. the answer will be “pushed a mafia for 3 days in a row” and yet i’m gonna die anyway cuz you are all soft in neighbour chat
I for one cannot wait
and then i’m gonna post that one southpark gif

you will know if / when this scenario plays out

I'll probably be dead sooner than later in that world lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:50 am if mac is a wolf i’ll predict how the game’s gonna go here and now

i’m gonna vote for him and say he’s scum at least once every dayphase, we’re gonna go for another random yeet for like 2 days in a row and when we get to YeLo, everyone’s gonna go “what has ted done?”. the answer will be “pushed a mafia for 3 days in a row” and yet i’m gonna die anyway cuz you are all soft in neighbour chat

I for one cannot wait

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:43 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:42 am
Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:30 am @MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why did y'all switch your votes from falcon to ted?
Joseph convinced me my poe is probably not good, and of my TRs ted is probably the stupid one, so I'm fine following him there for now
do you have a town read on marmot?

I kinda liked him early, has dropped off since. Don't really have strong feelings on him

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:30 am @MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why did y'all switch your votes from falcon to ted?

Joseph convinced me my poe is probably not good, and of my TRs ted is probably the stupid one, so I'm fine following him there for now

I know that because I'm falcons partner

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:14 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:13 pm its possible that TSP targeted one of them and the other targeted him
Nah I know who TSP targeted of the four. The other three targeted him. TSP targeted Falcon.
how do you know this?

He has a chat with falcon

I helped you try to flash wagon Marmot d1

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:43 pm So Nanook apparently asked Dana to ask Esooa to target him for a chat and he targeted me for a chat so that he could have a psuedo three way chat with his town reads in order to solve the game better.

But he's not really solving the game with me in chat at all really just dead batting all the things I am trying to say and generally not really sharing any reads or anything.

You know I don't start taking things seriously until at least midnight

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