The Syndicate

I wouldn't have had dope checks

Eh probably not good to start assigning blame in post, mafia had a very strong start and some bad mech luck

Gg

I may or may not be back before eod.

I'm reasonably confident [VOTE: deli] aubergine is the mafia in that difference check, im parking a vote there but sleep is a fine option too, I probably just die but thats fine


Id go Marmot over creature in that difference check, there's disassociating things for both of them with deli (this normally would mean I should be looking harder at esooa but lol that), I think its entirely possible creature tmi-ed after my claim, but id probably push Marmot first.

As far as third partner goes, kami is possible they've been pretty frozen today and pushing pro scum angles, id probably look at mac or seth over kami tho. Honestly I don't have a solid idea who the third is and that's pretty concerning, hopefully you guys can narrow it down better than I can, I believe in all of you.

Deli's claim is much more likely to come from mafia but if they're willing to sleep maybe they're town. Although I probably end up dying regardless lol

I have ten posts after this, gonna save most of them.

Still working on world building in case I die tonight

We sleep, I die, you have two 50/50s

We sleep, I dont die, I either get jked and esooa is outed or I don't and one of Marmot or creature is outed, either way an outed mafia and a 50/50

That works for me

Note that if I don't die you have to give me enough time to check in with results before you turbo me

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:22 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:02 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move

what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim

I'd disagree with you until you provide a reason.

the reason is I think deli is lying

This isn't a guarantee, but HK gets really mad at people for lying about stuff as town. If he had mech info (I.E. would KNOW Deli is lying) I think he would say something different than "I think" Deli is lying

This is actually a good catch and I can +1 this.

There's the possibility that HK was less prone to believing Deli because he was a PR but no solid evidence?

I was asking myself "does wolf-Deli fake a roleblock on a townsperson not knowing their role?"...

But then I realised that Mac was roleblocked and couldn't cc Deli if he were a PR. If that's true, the fact that Deli chose to claim to have targeted the only player who couldn't counterclaim when claiming under pressure makes their claim a lot weaker.

Expand on the "mac was roleblocked and couldn't cc" idea for me

If we sleep we go

Sleep 7v3
Nk 6v3
Miskill me I assume for this 5v3
One nk 4v3
Kill my red check 4v2
Nk 3v2
50/50 between esooa and deli, let's say correct one is killed, 3v1
If deli maf someone else nked, 2v1 with one confirmed, if esooa maf deli nked 2v1 with one confirmed (deli says who they jail ahead of time, functional green check)

If we don't sleep, assuming deli is maf (I assume I lose a 1v1 with esooa if they're town, so no point looking at that rn)
Kill deli 7v2
I get nked 6v2
Kill wrong check 5v2
Double nk 3v2
Kill now red check, 3v1
Nk 2v1, go to f3 with confirmed esooa alive

I suppose there's also a world where mafia prioritize killing esooa over me, thats actually fairly realistic since they only have one night they can do it if she's town and they can hit me and a green check on the double kill night


Maybe it is better to sleep? Idk, I think sleeping is lower risk, not sleeping goes great if we hit maf today and probably loses if we don't

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:02 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move

what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim

I'd disagree with you until you provide a reason.

the reason is I think deli is lying

This isn't a guarantee, but HK gets really mad at people for lying about stuff as town. If he had mech info (I.E. would KNOW Deli is lying) I think he would say something different than "I think" Deli is lying

He also said, literally earlier in the phase, that if he were going to cc someone he wouldn't do it outright. So. Not compelling.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:00 pm Creature probably mafia for the post cap complaints tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:09 pm Heh

So, scum are pretty fucked

I'm the parity cop i have a difference check between Marmot and creature

HK's flip means there's also a difference check between esooa and deli


Dab

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:14 pm Wish we could've gotten Marmot over yesterday lol

This doesn't make sense

1st quote--nanook thinks Creature is mafia
3rd quote--nanook thinks Marmot is mafia

So why check two people you think are mafia to eachother? That's not the point of the role rly at all

I didn't think they were teamed, thats why I checked them--if they came back same id have two green checks, if they came back different I'd know one of them is mafia obviously.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:39 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:34 pm Nanook suspects Creature D2
Nanook cops Creature N2
Nanook knows Creature's alignment is the opposite of whatever Marmot's alignment is, since Nanook checked Marmot N1
Nanook thinks Marmot is the more likely wolf based on association with Deli, who is the likely fake claim between Esooa and them

this is not rocket science

just saying but if this were a more experienced forum with regards to using parity cop nanook would die for a claim with those checks lol

anyways

[VOTE: syn] aubergine

I've played parity cop more than a few times lol. I got a difference check and you're salty about it for some reason. I used the checks pretty well imo

This is also a pretty dramatic 180 from your tr of me earlier this phase lol



Side note: if we sleep, I always check myself to confirm which of my checks is mafia and which is town. Wiml probably dies. Then you probably kill me tomorrow anyway cause this town is deeply meh, my green check dies at night, you kill the red check the next day, there's a 50/50 between esooa and deli after that, if you get that right the other gets NKed and you go to f3

I check myself instead of esooa or deli or someone outside the obvious potential pairs cause I know you chucklefucks are just gonna kill me tomorrow anyways, that way at least one mafia gets confirmed. It slightly increases the odds of killing two mafia in two days correctly, and it keeps our dignity intact to not get swept

Theres also the fact that hk softed a red on deli then immediately died

We're gonna throw this aren't we jfc

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:30 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:43 pm Like Nook!Scum would have zero risk in claiming Cop here.

Thats pretty obviously not true lol, claiming cop after the tracker was NKed makes no sense as scum

Quite the opposite.
Tracker was the only PR that wasn’t claimed.
Ignoring you of course.

....

Tracker, hk, died n1. I don't need to claim cop to get the other two prs out of the game if im mafia, I can just NK them.

Deli wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:34 pm It makes sense if you think you can line up the MLs to win… like you want us to go Marmot/creature in some order and if one flips town we still lunch the other?

How many mislunches do we even have left? Of creature/marmot are t/t do we still have a shot?

And yet im not saying to do that, and instead saying we should kill you. If im mafia im not going for my wincon, im setting myself up to lose a 1v1 with esooa

Like this should be fairly easy imo

Esooa didn't need to claim doc and doesn't gain much from doing so as mafia, so they're probably town

I didn't need to claim cop and put myself in an eventual 1v1 with esooa id be sure to lose, nothing can stop mafia me from NKing deli and esooa if they were town

Deli claimed at eod under pressure and their treatment of mac, their supposed target, doesn't track with someone who's actually a jk


If im mafia, I sacced myself for no reason. If esooa is mafia, she sacced herself unnecessarily. If deli is mafia they made the correct play.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:43 pm Like Nook!Scum would have zero risk in claiming Cop here.

Thats pretty obviously not true lol, claiming cop after the tracker was NKed makes no sense as scum

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:20 pm If you don't believe im real you should be voting me

If you do believe im real you have two 50/50s to choose from

So uh

Yeah that's a pretty shitty vote and approach

What if your uncertain but wanna do a 1V1 Trade.
Like I vote Deli but if they flip Town I death tunnel you kinda thing.

I mean yes I'm aware that if esooa is the mafia we almost certainly lose

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:35 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:30 pm A syn save is a big ??? too

Why couldn't at least one of you have a claim that makes sense lmao

bruh

The mafia has a strongman shot last night 90% of the time

Who do you think I'm going to save?

Yourself? The jk claim? There's no point making a weird protect, if they use the strongman you can't save anyways and if they don't you're not gonna save syn lol


Doesn't matter i still think you're town

A syn save is a big ??? too

Why couldn't at least one of you have a claim that makes sense lmao

Im aware of them yeah

If you don't believe im real you should be voting me

If you do believe im real you have two 50/50s to choose from

So uh

Yeah that's a pretty shitty vote and approach

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:08 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:56 pm I'm tempted to just say the game is easy and it's just deli/Marmot or creature/esooa, kinda feels that simple to me rn

That would mean I pushed my partner for a yeet on Day 2 (before he came out with a claim that is).

And also backed up their claim when they made it to push people off

Bussing/distancing is very much within your play lol, don't pretend otherwise

I do bus my teammates, but I'm not the one leading the charge when I do, I just like to set myself up to gain cred for voting them.

That's not how I handled Deli yesterday, I was one of the first to push him. I did back off when he claimed, but that seemed like the reasonable thing to do given a PR claim.

I'm not locked in its just my current leaning

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:09 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm just gonna keep voting who I think is wolf tbh

Bad

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:08 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:56 pm I'm tempted to just say the game is easy and it's just deli/Marmot or creature/esooa, kinda feels that simple to me rn

That would mean I pushed my partner for a yeet on Day 2 (before he came out with a claim that is).

And also backed up their claim when they made it to push people off

Bussing/distancing is very much within your play lol, don't pretend otherwise

I mean it's easier for me obviously but I think the answer is fairly clear

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:03 pm can i get a run down on all these claims

Esooa claims doc with a n1 on wiml, not sure her n2
Deli claims jk with n1 on mac n2 on wiml
I, kyle, claim parity cop with n1 quenya on Marmot n2 sindarin on creature

I don't really see a need for esooa to claim as maf. She wasn't gonna be in danger, she gets maybe one pr dead out of it, seems like a low ev play as mafia to me

Deli claiming as maf as a top wagon at eod makes a lot more sense to me


So I'm pretty much just evaluating which of marmot/creature makes more sense as a partner

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:00 pm Oh nvm I saw the pairings are switched.

Yeah lol I'm looking at teams to try and maximize chances we hit mafia within the difference checks on the first try

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:49 pm Deli's Nook world.

3 town flips. Healthy game state for mafia Nook.

Nook decides to out himself by fake claiming cop so he can chop exactly Deli and Marmot in order to win the game.

As opposed to just ... not doing that?

If Nook is fake then the real PR will out. You should be pushing Esooa but you aren't. Cuz you know you can't.

Theres already four pr out there (three claims plus flipped tracker hk)

I'm tempted to just say the game is easy and it's just deli/Marmot or creature/esooa, kinda feels that simple to me rn

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:41 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:13 pm I was starting to tinfoil Deli pre-claim. Their claim makes sense from a wolf perspective to self pres and to discredit me I suppose? Hk's death points to Deli being a wolf too.

I am shocked if Esooa is wolfing tbh.

After my initial reaction that he wouldn't lie, I need to assess the merits of a Nook fake claim here (he's a PoE slot and getting two miselims before dying is probably a good trade). But if Nook is a wolf candidate we never chop him today so he can get another peek.

Sorry if ly thoughts are scattered, I'm really exhausted right now and will try to contribute better shortly.

I'm not getting another peek lol I always die tonight

Yeah I didn't realise about the strongman.

There are ways we can avoid you dying tonight if town (chopping in Marm/Creature/other PoE slot and having the wolves possibly not take the risk in a direct cc battle) but I'm not convinced that's the play.

Naw even if we kill in my difference check I still die, they can't afford me getting another check off, and they still have esooa to 1v1

Deli wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:45 pmWho is Seth?

Gavial

As far as claims go dell's timing and their claim of a wiml target last night both look bad

Like wiml makes no sense as a target, you should be trying to block a kill last night not land a protect given the claims

Seth possible tmi, likely works as third partner in all worlds imo

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:13 pm I was starting to tinfoil Deli pre-claim. Their claim makes sense from a wolf perspective to self pres and to discredit me I suppose? Hk's death points to Deli being a wolf too.

I am shocked if Esooa is wolfing tbh.

After my initial reaction that he wouldn't lie, I need to assess the merits of a Nook fake claim here (he's a PoE slot and getting two miselims before dying is probably a good trade). But if Nook is a wolf candidate we never chop him today so he can get another peek.

Sorry if ly thoughts are scattered, I'm really exhausted right now and will try to contribute better shortly.

I'm not getting another peek lol I always die tonight

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:36 pm I'm confused about how the difference is between me/deli and marmot/creature

what are your NAs?

N1 Marmot quenya
N2 creature sindarin

Theres a difference between you and deli cause you're both claiming pr and hk flipped tracker, meaning one of you is lying

If Deli is mafia i tend to think Marmot is the partner for the bolstering of the jk claim

What i don't understand is why they didn't claim the same target

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:56 pm okay no this makes sense

if he tracked Deli to Wiml and there was no kill, then his belief of me calling Esooa a liar parses (he even later says if he were the real doctor, he wouldn't directly CC the claim, softing that he thinks I'm CCing), and it explains his IMMEDIATE vote for Deli when Deli claims they JK'd Mac instead of Wiml if HK actually saw Deli go to Wiml

I suspect he tracked deli nowhere

If deli carried they'd just claim their actual target presumably, especially if mafia knew which role wasn't in the game (seems likely given claims)


Regardless of the case it sure looks like hk was softing a red and him getting killed reinforces that

I think deli is the mafia in that difference check, hk vote and calling out could be cause they tracked and didn't see them go anywhere n1, coupled with hk nk, I think points towards deli

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:35 pm a solving nanook?

could the prophecies be true?

I just solved your game didn't I

We can't prevent a kill tonight

Its fine I'm gonna have the solve by eod

I'm still at the flipping a coin stage lol

Wish we could've gotten Marmot over yesterday lol

I mean they're not actually fucked we still have to kill correctly but

The game has narrowed a good deal

Heh

So, scum are pretty fucked

I'm the parity cop i have a difference check between Marmot and creature

HK's flip means there's also a difference check between esooa and deli


Dab

Creature probably mafia for the post cap complaints tbh

Hard claim jester

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:58 am Wished postcap wasn't a thing, but whatever.

Wot

You're not even close to your cap lol

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move

what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim

Depends on if you're also telling you're ccing

I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move

[VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

Killing the jk probably isn't good so let's do this instead