The Syndicate

Smh this is why doc should always be on me tbh

Did we win?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:57 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:56 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm i don't even need to see the towncore and i already know that it's bollocks.

i've had no information of this. why don't you guys share this poe with the class?

Me, nutella, Nanook, TLib, Elephant.

Juliets

You said she was in "I don't know land." :P

That was earlier.

At this point if elephant is in the towncore so is juliets

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Elephant is safe so let’s do this.

Come join me fellow townies

Juliets is in the towncore, no questions

If elephant is she is too

TL is borderline tbh

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm i don't even need to see the towncore and i already know that it's bollocks.

i've had no information of this. why don't you guys share this poe with the class?

Me, nutella, Nanook, TLib, Elephant.

Juliets

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:40 pm Unfortunately town does that too sometimes so I guess let’s stick with vanity or ty4

Reason i like killing vanity first is we might get info if another group shows up here from the other side

I mean I doubt they get flips down a level tbh, but sure that’s fair

Unfortunately town does that too sometimes so I guess let’s stick with vanity or ty4

Also because they’re pushing a scummy agenda of trying to open up the game to kills that really shouldn’t be on the table today

Tbh I kinda wanna kill creature because they’re the most annoying rn

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:35 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:34 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:28 pm I think I actually would be fine kill ty4 instead of vanity though tbh

why? that seems kinda random given you entered saying "why aren't we killing vanity"

And then I interacted with you and saw stuff you were saying to other people, how is that random?

i suppose that's fair but you never stated that you had second thoughts on me... wait i just realized you're not the type of player to voice your reads anyways. so in that sense it makes sense

I mean I’m playing in 30 second bursts dude, I don’t have time even if I wanted to lol. No time for deliberation just gotta go go go

If someone votes ty4 in the next ten minutes or so I’ll join, but I don’t wanna risk elephant rn

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:28 pm I think I actually would be fine kill ty4 instead of vanity though tbh

why? that seems kinda random given you entered saying "why aren't we killing vanity"

And then I interacted with you and saw stuff you were saying to other people, how is that random?

I think I actually would be fine kill ty4 instead of vanity though tbh

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:22 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:22 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:20 pm Benson is a credible source. The rest are not.

why are mac and epi not credible sources? are they not strong players?

I think >rand chance they’re scum

mac is probably not a wolf lol

epi could be but that's just because i haven't seen them post in forever and i don't have to think about them.

You don’t have to think about mac rn either?

And with all due respect I think I’m more qualified than anyone here to make those reads, given that I have an extra day of them than anyone else

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:22 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:20 pm Benson is a credible source. The rest are not.

Great

Trustworthy
NANOOK
Elephant

Choose one lynch

lol, no

I’ve seen worse but not by a lot lol

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:20 pm Benson is a credible source. The rest are not.

why are mac and epi not credible sources? are they not strong players?

I think >rand chance they’re scum

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:19 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:17 pm you're wrong nanook. i am a villager. in fact, if you're that confident i'm a wolf, then i'll fucking self-vote. would be a pleasure to be able to just stop thinking about this game because honestly, i'm not really enjoying it and i want to dissociate myself from it.

You’re just in a narrow POE mate, take it down a notch

narrow poe? what for?

i voted a wolf on d1. have i been particularly coasty? not really, i just haven't been playing in certain doses. if that's enough to condemn me to death then fine.

Other people have been more towny imo.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:15 pm Welcome to the town core elephant and juliets

For me it’s between vanity and creature for the kill, nutes I’m guessing you want vanity over creature based off a snippet of a post I saw from you thay was a TR for creature I think?

Your future is in a noose

That’s a very rude thing to say

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:19 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:17 pm you're wrong nanook. i am a villager. in fact, if you're that confident i'm a wolf, then i'll fucking self-vote. would be a pleasure to be able to just stop thinking about this game because honestly, i'm not really enjoying it and i want to dissociate myself from it.

You’re just in a narrow POE mate, take it down a notch

Yeah, we did pretty well with boo and DFaraday

I mean I wasn’t here, so.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:16 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:12 pm Someone wanna cliff notes why we’re not murdering the shit out of vanity please

There are credible sources telling he's a villager

Such as

I've been quoting a bunch of readslist for what?

I meant who are the credible sources. I’m not reading back, I have like 10 minutes to play while I export stuff

Epignosis
MacDougall
Benson

also checking Jack rn

I mean I don’t really trust two of those sources tbh

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:15 pm Welcome to the town core elephant and juliets

For me it’s between vanity and creature for the kill, nutes I’m guessing you want vanity over creature based off a snippet of a post I saw from you thay was a TR for creature I think?

Nanook, do you believe nova was town and that's why you're not considering Ty4on? Forgive me if you said that and I missed it.

Yeah they can be in the POE too I kinda forgot about them tbh

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:17 pm you're wrong nanook. i am a villager. in fact, if you're that confident i'm a wolf, then i'll fucking self-vote. would be a pleasure to be able to just stop thinking about this game because honestly, i'm not really enjoying it and i want to dissociate myself from it.

You’re just in a narrow POE mate, take it down a notch

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:12 pm Someone wanna cliff notes why we’re not murdering the shit out of vanity please

There are credible sources telling he's a villager

Such as

I've been quoting a bunch of readslist for what?

I meant who are the credible sources. I’m not reading back, I have like 10 minutes to play while I export stuff

Welcome to the town core elephant and juliets

For me it’s between vanity and creature for the kill, nutes I’m guessing you want vanity over creature based off a snippet of a post I saw from you thay was a TR for creature I think?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:12 pm Someone wanna cliff notes why we’re not murdering the shit out of vanity please

There are credible sources telling he's a villager

Such as

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:12 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:46 pm @Elephant and @Long Con I need the low down on your current thoughts about juliets, asap.

Juliets is locked town for me. I'd rather not elaborate.

Ohhhh dear

Do you have someone you’d rather kill than vanity?

Someone wanna cliff notes why we’re not murdering the shit out of vanity please

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:32 pm Nanook why do you think elephant and juliets are unlikely to be w/w? I was just considering that possibility so please enlighten me.

I find myself reaching the general conclusion that vanity is in fact the best choice for today. I have better reasons to townread just about everyone else. And I expect more of a fight from him as town.

Let's just do it [VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Elephants response when I asked if there was substance to the juliets TR. It was “yes” and nothing more, felt slightly townie but definitely didn’t feel like something a partner does.

So where I’m at right now is—

Vanity is >rand scum

Elephant/hyena/TL/Long Con likely not scum with him.

Hyena and Nutella independently townie

Elephant slightly townie, unlikely partners with juliets imo

IF there’s a busser on vanity, likely LC imo, largely through POE (elephant/vanity not likely W/W from people I’m deciding to trust, don’t think hyena busses this situation, sane fr TL but that’s a weaker read). However that’s not something I’d consider until considerably later in the game.

Think that’s essentially where I stand with the vanity kill.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:59 am NANOOK is also a candidate

No he isn’t, that guys townie af

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:10 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:57 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:51 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:26 am I do tend to think there’s a relatively lower concentration of scum in this group, 1-2 probably (2 most likely), 3 tops, so it’s entirely possible this is just town catching scum (or at least most of town catching scum with maybe one busser, would be fairly surprised if there are 3 scum in this group and 2 are bussing though). So I’m not as nervous about the vanity wagon as I normally might be. I do think there’s probably scum between vanity and the current non-homies voters though (LC, TL, elephant)

I accidentally cut juliets out of my list earlier. What's your excuse?

...what? She hasn't voted

Doesn't mean she shouldn't be discussed. Like, include her in towncore or include her in suspects. Is there a third category?

There is a third category, it’s the “idk figure them out later” category. Juliets is currently in it for me. Anyone I don’t have a decent read on or a decent way to get a read on is lumped into that one.

If you wanna talk about her individually we can but my reads for those 3 + vanity I was discussing don’t really apply to her.

I mean I think I was pretty clear that I was looking specifically at the vanity voters at the time of my posting, yeah? Juliets wasn’t one, so....not sure why I’d talk about her

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:47 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 am I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.

Spoiler: show

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:46 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 am I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.

I am the eggman?

Coo coo ca joo

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:43 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am

I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh

Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in

Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?

Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory

At first I thought Hyena had a good idea that makes a lot of sense. Then it occurred to me that the voting system there was different, and I looked up Nanook's account of it. If nobody knows who voted what, the usefulness of flipping Ty4on for that reason seems questionable. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME , could you determine who defended novaselinenever if you had access to your discussion?

(How did Epignosis become a popular scum read? I didn't think that was possible.)

I don’t have access to that thread anymore and wasn’t around for EOD

I am aware that you, personally, cannot do that right now. What I meant was this: could the players who still have that access figure out who defended Novaseline, or would the mechanics of voting make that difficult? Your description is helpful, but left me ignorant on how the system worked in practice.

Oh! Uh...defended would be easier to figure out than pushed, yeah. You could defend players as you wanted, but you couldn’t push one player.

I would like to take a moment to appreciate elephants dedication to changing the subject line to “I am the Elephant” on their posts, I respect and admire it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:57 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on

I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh

Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in

Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:04 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm Hmm.

Question to all:

Do you think Spiny/Boo flipping town helped the other group solve people within their group? Do you think one of Vanity's or Elephant's flips will help them? How about Ty4on, who they apparently voted out of the group? Should we be trying to help give them info via flipping the people they send here?

Well I think vanity's or elephant's flip could be interesting to them regardless, though they'd have to assess interactions from d1 based on memory

At first I thought Hyena had a good idea that makes a lot of sense. Then it occurred to me that the voting system there was different, and I looked up Nanook's account of it. If nobody knows who voted what, the usefulness of flipping Ty4on for that reason seems questionable. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME , could you determine who defended novaselinenever if you had access to your discussion?

(How did Epignosis become a popular scum read? I didn't think that was possible.)

I don’t have access to that thread anymore and wasn’t around for EOD

Actually if vanity flips scum, I think I probably soft clear those 3 for at least a game day or two, it’s not an impossible position to bus but it’s an awkward one imo.

I do tend to think there’s a relatively lower concentration of scum in this group, 1-2 probably (2 most likely), 3 tops, so it’s entirely possible this is just town catching scum (or at least most of town catching scum with maybe one busser, would be fairly surprised if there are 3 scum in this group and 2 are bussing though). So I’m not as nervous about the vanity wagon as I normally might be. I do think there’s probably scum between vanity and the current non-homies voters though (LC, TL, elephant)

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:24 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:00 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?

Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.

Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.

Okay... outside the neophyte towncore squad, we have Long Con, Trustworthy Liberal, Elephant, Hyena... juliets is absolutely setting herself up for a vanity vote... who else is left? Ty4on? Sure. Creature, then. So you're talking about everyone except Creature with this insight.

I meant literally on the vote at the time I said it, so elephant/TL/you/Hyena FMPOV.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:04 am That towncore is acceptable. I'll hopefully do something to get included. Nanook doesn't like me though. I'll just stay in the shadows and help you Avengers out if I can.

I like the vig Role Points point. Whoever the vig is has been spending their points flagrantly, and we may not be able to count on another vig kill at all, depending how many they started with.

Not so much I don’t like you as I don’t really have a read either way on you, lol. Maybe that’ll change!

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?

Considering that half the players in this group are on the wagon now and that it felt like it grew pretty quickly after Elephant joined it, yes, I am paranoid.

But I also think about D1 in our qualifiers where you predicted our partner's wagon would die down after you and others piled voted onto their wagon. So, while I don't know what to make of it, I'm hesitant to change things up so soon.

Yeah, I have that feeling that vanity is either scum or has scum on their vote. Maybe both but definitely one.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:56 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?

Honestly extremely I scum read him but there's no resitance which means he is other alone extremely expendable mafia or just afk town.

What's your real on him individualy

Eh, I don’t usually put a ton of stock into “there’s no resistance” this early in the day

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:55 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:47 am I’m happy with that start. Unfortunately the rest of my TRs are on the other side.

Who else can we add? Should be at least 2 more if we wanna be able to throw some weight around.

Long Con and TLib are probably who I would consider right now, even if I don't have very solid reads on them. Just good vibes.

Might be ok with TL but don’t think I want long con

Actually might be ok with elephants though

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:54 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:51 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:48 am Also while your here Nanook if you could see the other side what is/was your real on Nova/Ty4on

I didn’t really have a read on them before today, I hadn’t read them really. I’d say ty4on is maybe slightly townie but he’s in a tough position to evaluate tbh

Accidentally insa posted by was gonna say
That's not bad to hear I get slight town from them but the other side decided they were evil want to hear more from the next gonna call it drop in

Well, it’s hard to say how true that is—we couldn’t declare votes on the other side or tell other people to vote for a specific person, so nova being the kill doesn’t inherently mean he was found the most scummiest. IIRC Epi and 112 and to a lesser extent radishes and spirityo and Lexi were the most popular scumreads, with nova slotted in thay second tier.

But who knows how votes actually went, it’s really hard to reach too many conclusions on them.

Is the vanity wagon making anyone else (hyena) irrationally nervous or is that just me?

Regardless of number a town core doesn’t always have to be majority to swing their weight around