The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:21 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:50 pm gg's yall. jack and mr played that well.

i'm sorry about my play this game. i decided to sub in on a game at mu and it sorta killed my drive to play the game and deeply care about it. for that, i'm sorry to the people that legitimately cared about the game and wanted to win. when it comes to forum mafia, mu has always been my drug of choice and where i wanna spend my forum mafia time. that probably was half the reason i wasn't into this game, the syndicate just doesn't really interest me. that's nothing against this forum, it's a fantastic forum and site, it's just i have sites i'm already in love with (aka mu and mafia.gg).

i also apologize about some of the language and attitude i showcased. especially to juliets, to what is relevant now... my thoughts are with you to say the least juliets. especially given i am a moderator on mu, though not a behavioral one, i'm not very proud of the way i acted at times. i usually just post the way i feel at times in an attempt to convey honesty to other people. there was also a perfect storm of starting working at the time the game started and some of my difficulties and lack of satisfaction from my work showed at times. again, it was unbecoming of me, i'm sorry.

you guys were great though! thanks to jjj and sloonei for hosting and it was a pleasure to play this game here. i just feel bad that i didn't show up and got lynched for just trying to have fun and not trying to take it too seriously. i don't want to be too much of a downer so i'll just uh. stop. but hopefully that got out my thoughts on this game.
vanity, there is nothing you did that affected me negatively in the least. You were fine. I'm so sorry I voted for your lynch. And thank you for your thoughts vanity, I really appreciate it. It was tough today at the funeral but people here have been so supportive. I so appreciate you.

thanks. it's pretty typical for me to be too hard on myself at times.

gg's yall. jack and mr played that well.

i'm sorry about my play this game. i decided to sub in on a game at mu and it sorta killed my drive to play the game and deeply care about it. for that, i'm sorry to the people that legitimately cared about the game and wanted to win. when it comes to forum mafia, mu has always been my drug of choice and where i wanna spend my forum mafia time. that probably was half the reason i wasn't into this game, the syndicate just doesn't really interest me. that's nothing against this forum, it's a fantastic forum and site, it's just i have sites i'm already in love with (aka mu and mafia.gg).

i also apologize about some of the language and attitude i showcased. especially to juliets, to what is relevant now... my thoughts are with you to say the least juliets. especially given i am a moderator on mu, though not a behavioral one, i'm not very proud of the way i acted at times. i usually just post the way i feel at times in an attempt to convey honesty to other people. there was also a perfect storm of starting working at the time the game started and some of my difficulties and lack of satisfaction from my work showed at times. again, it was unbecoming of me, i'm sorry.

you guys were great though! thanks to jjj and sloonei for hosting and it was a pleasure to play this game here. i just feel bad that i didn't show up and got lynched for just trying to have fun and not trying to take it too seriously. i don't want to be too much of a downer so i'll just uh. stop. but hopefully that got out my thoughts on this game.

actually i'm going to ate more.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:56 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.
when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?
I don't think Nutella can be with Elephant. Nutella can be acting independently, or with you. If she were to switch her vote to the counter wagon AGAIN, this would be the third time that her vote would be potentially preventing one of your or Elephant's lynch. Why don't you ask her why she didn't vote Elephant with you yesterday.

what's the point now? i'm dead.

again, nutella, long con, creature, very strong town for me.

trustworthy liberal is my strongest mafia read. elephant could be mafia but don't take that to the bank based on my flip.

this is my last post for the day. gl.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:45 pm okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?
Together with her ending up voting for neither of you both D3 and D2 makes me think she's prolonging this conflict between you and Elephant. This conflict should have resolved a long time ago.

when should have it been resolved do you think? it wasn't happening on d2 for sure lol. i wish it was resolved on d3 because we lost the tracker over me, and i didn't self-preserve because of my own reasons for think ty4on could've been town mechanically and generally.

it doesn't feel like nutella is avoiding to resolve us for any particularly reason. here's a question: what does nutella's alignment mean for my own and for elephant's?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 am @Elephant and @Hyena do you feel like vanity was just fabricating his lack of knowledge about why Nanook accepted me and Elephant into the town core?
No, he might've been unaware of it. I'm just annoyed that he didn't go back to see why Elephant was being townread. Like, it doesn't really feel like Vanity has been reading Elephant's, or anybody's really, posts and that he's just blindly pushing Elephant only because of that's what he has been doing. Like, there's no effort to really change direction, aside from occasionally calling people scum when they go against him. It's this lack of effort to evaluate people that's really driving me nuts.

Like, Nutella has been swinging back and forth between Elephant and Vanity, but at least these changes are based on, like, new thoughts and info as they're posted in the thread. Vanity, on the other hand, is perfectly fine refusing to acknowledge Nutella's swinging in spite of there being clear evidence that she has been doing it, and it felt like he was fine with it only because Nutella started townreading him again.

lolwut.

i'm trying to pocket nutella, first and foremost, because i think she's been villagery all game and has been legitimately trying to solve the situation between me and elephant. that i'll admit. also she's been saying that she didn't like forced dictotomies between me and elephant, though i don't think it was forced it sorta happened naturally.

i have done no refusal of anything in regards to nutella. the reason i think she was town was because i thought she legitimately believed something and got so hung up on it that it's almost unfakeable as a wolf. i never faltered in townreading nutella, i don't know where you got the "i was fine with only because nutella townread me". i was trying to talk sense into nutella because i had no idea why she thought that between nanook, juliets, and elephant that there were mechanical clears. fmpov, that didn't make sense.

okay so i read hyena's thing about nutella flipping constantly between me or elephant being a wolf and uhhh...

why is it scum indicative?

sorry for not projecting town this game. this is on me.

/ate switch flipped off

okay so here's the deal.

if you think you will never be able to find me as town this game, lynching me is the correct move. if you are not comfortable with ride or dying me, lynching me is the correct move. but if you're lynching me because you think you have to, then lynching me is absolutely not the right move. lynch me because you think i'm a wolf. don't lynch me for any other reason.

fwiw i think iaafr does have a good wolfgame but if he was slowing down regarding posts in his group then that is something to raise an eyebrow over. iaafr can post weird sometimes but if he's posting a ton then he's almost never a wolf by virtue of meta.

quin's iso isn't towny, especially today's posts. the read on iaafr having tmi is weird but i don't know what iaafr posted in his group.

i sorta think juliets is town btw for no particular reasoning.

if nutella's a wolf then she's just been balling on me all game.

yeah this is probably the worst i have played in a game in a while. sorry about that everyone. hopefully you guys can bring it back after 3 consecutive mislynches if you do choose to lynch me.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.
Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

you can probably iso lld and come to a conclusion in like 3 minutes lol. it's a weird iso from d1 and she made 1 post today that is completely nai.

nutella, long con, and creature are my only townreads as of now. it's scant but those are the only people i even feel remotely good about. creature said that i was probably townreading wolves and he has to be referring to one of nutella, long con, and hyena. i know he thinks long con is a wolf but i don't understand why i suppose. maybe i'm just reading too hard into select posts.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.
Also, what made you change your mind on Elephant?

i haven't necessarily made up my mind on elephant, i just believe that i've been too hard on him for not really a whole lot of reason other than he was wrong on me and it seemed like he made several cases on me because he felt like he had too.

trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

will you guys even care about my reads once i'm gone? i know elephant probably shouldn't if he's town. i admit there's a very good chance elephant actually is town here. but i don't think trustworthy liberal is town at all.

i'm going to also throw out there that as a wolf i don't like bussing unless i feel it gives me a significant advantage and allows me to control the village. and though if i was a wolf, i did pseudo-bus drago, i have done almost nothing with that power. immediately after drago was lynched, i was still being suspected and didn't play in a super engaged way. i guess this is useless for most of you, but that's not how i would've played the game.

i'm trying to avoid talking about the halloween mash on mu but i really do feel like it should tell you everything you need to know this game in terms of my alignment.

ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

ok so uh.

the reason i've been studying recent posts is, i have way more context behind them than posts i missed. i have made peace with the fact that i'm not going to read everything that was said this game unless i iso every single person in depth. i'm just not going to bother with them and that's my decision.

resolve me if you guys must. i'm not sure what resolving me does but i am town.

i guess this current vote is fine. i might not make eod btw.

hi. is today eod? i awoke a little bit ago.

i'm probably going to leave because i'm tired as hell and have work early tomorrow again. also i just realized that i'm spamming the thread way too much. this apology is probably way too late.

oh and you also thought tsp was scum. probably a combination of the 2.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:47 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:00 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:07 pm gth reads based on mac's exercise:

Benson: I've only known Benson for a day and a half, but if anything ever happened to him I would kill everyone in this game and then myself. Similar to TSP in having things to say about just about everything, but there's dedication to these posts TSP doesn't have. Town.

Dragomir: Early juliets callout set off alarm bells. Didn't really sound like a test even though that's how he played it. There's fluff, but his meaty posts are targeted in just about every direction which isn't a bad thing. Kinda don't think he'd go so overboard with that Evenstar stuff is he was bad (to stay out of the spotlight if anything) Town.

Lady L (thank you umineko references): The 4 person shtick is...confusing? I won't linger on it. I do hope there's not actually 4 people behind the role though. Somewhat insightful up until the nutella vote which isn't explained until later on. Though she is proactive in getting the lynch going (good), Lady has her heels in the ground when talking about it with other people which sucks a bit. Town.

Rej: The Michelle callout is a good look (questioning those who blindly accept townreads). It's a good point against her, though if I can make time I'd give her a read too before I make any judgments. Not a whole lot to work with otherwise. Town.

TSP: Fluff. If scum, probably buddying the elephant. He's got a lot of posts yet so many of them seem to be tiptoeing around the events of the thread without dedicating himself to anything. Scum.
Uh oh, Quin is not very sheepworthy this game
btw what is this

probably saying you're not sheepworthy because you thought drago was town.

nanook and ty4on joined our dream and were both villagers so quin and lld are both villagers as well.

this is a great read, trust me.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:57 pm tbh I just want vanity. lynched so I can get nightkilled tonight and leave the game

fmpov this posts reads pretty genuine, that i think i can make clear.

i read through a small amount of creature's iso and think it's towny but i couldn't for the life of me explain why. i don't even think i have a good read on creature, it just... feels right.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:45 pm Sorry I've been away. I'm going to get back into game mindset tonight.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:27 pm Hello, thread. First, I want to say that Ty4on's death was hilarious. Tragic and all, but he... just... got himself killed for a joke? I don't know. Never seen such a thing.

I see vanity is a current lynch favourite, not surprising. Just got home from work, and I'm going to a friend's house. So I'll catch y'all on the flippity-flop.
How do you feel about Vanity becoming the current lynch favorite? Do you think it's become too status quo? Like, from your perspective, what's the status quo right now? And what kinda read do you think would go COMPLETELY against the status quo right now? I want you to play devil's advocate again.
I feel like vanity becoming a lynch favourite happened pretty suddenly. I also think there's probably a good reason for that, and I support a vanity lynch. I guess it's status quo, but that phrase doesn't carry a lot of meaning for me - every lynch is its own organism with more factors than there are posts in the thread. Status quo came about for a reason.

Lynching Hyena or nutella would go against status quo the most, I think. Elephant/juliets is another factor going on that I don't really understand, but I think some people do. There's my Rebel Lynch Player Salad. Hyena, nutella, Elephant, and maybe juliets.

this post pings me as... jumbled. there's things about it where the writing just doesn't flow properly. but it also seems free-flow-y, strangely enough. kinda villagery.

the more i play this game the more unsure and confused i get lol. i should probably stop being lazy and actually iso people.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:20 pm I just thought, given that she was convinced enough about you to unvote you yesterday, it was odd that she came in directly accusing you today. You didn't make Ty4on get lynched.

for what its worth i did announce that i wasn't self-preserving and i didn't want ty4on to get lynched for mechanical reasons i didn't understand. for some reason i thought nanook had some sort of flip information on ty4on and i didn't even realize it when nanook said that he wanted to lynch between me and ty4on. still, i thought ty4on was okay yesterday and i had other wolf reads. i came in remembering him saying that he struggled posting as a wolf so... dunno

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:16 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:13 pm btw this is a bit of a wifom thing but if i was a wolf here i'd be wiggling out of several lynches better than i ever have before. it would be kinda mindblowing to me tbh. though i guess it wouldn't be impossible for me.
Can you bottle this feeling and use it in the future?

i'll try

usually when i'm a wolf i try talking myself out of things and most villagers just keep on pushing out of confirmation bias. i'm generally better at talking myself out of a situation as a villager but i don't know why. probably because i'm able to stay more composed and not be anxious.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:59 pm I feel dumb for blindly believing this tbh lol. You're right that elephant being in the towncore was just based on Nanook's read which may not be reliable.
Ok, then I don't get your big vanity turnaround today.

i don't think nutella has done a lot of turning around on me, the only thing is now she doesn't necessarily believe that juliets and elephant are interconnected villagers. wouldn't be surprised if she still wants to lynch me. based on a question i asked her elephant's alignment has nothing to do with mine in her mind.

btw this is a bit of a wifom thing but if i was a wolf here i'd be wiggling out of several lynches better than i ever have before. it would be kinda mindblowing to me tbh. though i guess it wouldn't be impossible for me.

in other news if it weren't obvious to me already nutella is absolutely town.

oh i remember now. nutella, what's the likelihood you think there's a wolf between me and elephant?

?

in a vacuum i don't think elephant is trying to pocket juliets if elephant is a wolf. at the very least i don't think it's intentional.

also i had another thing to say and completely forgot about it... whatever.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:46 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:43 pm can someone kindly tell me what the independent cop is? this is sorta important.
Hey vanity, I believe JJJ said in the post about the roles to direct any questions to him or Sloonei. I don't think we're allowed to talk about it in the game thread.

1) woops, apologies.
2) no worries, i've answered my own question.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:44 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:46 pm @Elephant and @Long Con I need the low down on your current thoughts about juliets, asap.
Juliets is locked town for me. I'd rather not elaborate.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:57 pm Juliets is in the towncore, no questions

If elephant is she is too

@vanity. here are a couple of references to it. I don't remember everything else that was said but I suppoooose it's technically possible that juliets is town and elephant is scum thats like buddying her hard but it feels unlikely with other things he has said. I may read back on it more and consider that possibility though.

um.

maybe i'm reading into this too much but "rather not" doesn't equal "cannot", for starters. so that doesn't necessarily tell me that elephant has role information on juliets' alignment.

another thing is nanook seems to be assuming too much here. again, there's almost no mechanical way for nanook to have mechanical information on elephant's alignment. i think this is a nanook thing where he just gets too sure of himself, i've seen this happen to him in finale with lld.

also if elephant is like... actually the cop, i'd expect he would peek me? i understand there's certain amount of usages for actions but he suspected me on d2. unless he's like a 1-shot cop, i basically never ever believe he's the cop. but i doubt we can actually talk about this too much without getting into legitimate illegal territory

this is super weird for me btw lol. i'd expect that pr information to just be out there rather than having to beat around the bush with it.

can someone kindly tell me what the independent cop is? this is sorta important.

there legitimately is some huge neighborhood going on that i'm not apart of. evenstar might've been onto something in wc1.

i'm legit baffled by this lol.

hyena should still be a question mark for everyone

nanook was the jk and just entered the thread, he should have no mechanical knowledge of juliets OR elephant, he wasn't in our group. he died last night.

what information am i actually missing here?

"a hint or 2"

"C'MON MAN WTF IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING BETWEEN THEM"

respectfully, get the hell out of here.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:30 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:28 pm fwiw if there's some sort of alignment correlation between juliets and elephant that they can both confirm then they're probably both town

but then again... i thought we weren't supposed to out any information that we had?
Idk, nobody has overtly said anything but I think I caught a hint or two that made me believe they're both town.

then how do you expect anyone else to pick up on that? that's borderline insulting my intelligence.

what role would even let juliets and elephant know each other are town? there aren't any masonizers in this game that i know of. this seems out of left field for me.

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