The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:54 pm Yes, kindness is siliness, what to do when you have a heart ?
@Dyslexicon @Syn
@Hyena @Long Con @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @tutuu it was a stressful last day, we found each other but we didn't win because we are kind people
I love you folks!

I knew is broken to kill a villager

Love you and everyone else, too! <3 GG, all!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:09 pm i can't believe how long this game ended up being, tbh. It was nearly two radioheads.

It was too long. That's really the main reason why I was getting cranky in the end. I don't think I would've gotten this frustrated if we were able to, like, hammer our way to D9 quicker. All that extra time during the day just killed me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:09 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:48 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.
I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.
I wish you had been more bossy, at least towards me. ;-; I probably would've listened to you more. Sorry again for tunneling so much.
No worries. <3

To be honest, it’s really tough for town to make the leap to “3p inherited the NK” when it’s a hidden mechanic.

Where I’ve seen it before, it’s announced that 3p inherits if mafia dies in the OP, so it’s not a strange leap you have to make.

Ironically, I did what you said, Hyena, and solved independently of mech, and looked around and came to the conclusion that we were all just town. Town who really wanted to sacrifice and be nice to Alison lol

I actually did notice that you did near the end, particularly while I was still being stubborn and thinking you could still be scum. That's another reason why I didn't want to argue against the points you were making when JPIC was asking me to. I was just so tired. I promise I'll try to be more cooperative the next time we play together. <3

lol, all the dead people wanted me dead because of my role preventing DVC from existing

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.
I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

I wish you had been more bossy, at least towards me. ;-; I probably would've listened to you more. Sorry again for tunneling so much.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:38 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.
If I was town there I would accept the bargain and turbo the 3P the next day without mercy. And I would be incredibly aggressive/outraged if town didn't do that.

I would have helped you. I was pisssssed that people didn't want to chop you D1.

Is there a DVC, or did I destroy the chance of there ever being one with my role?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:32 pm Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3

When you suggested wanting to kill Alison that final time, I was actually serious about considering going there... I just forgot that the votes would redirect to you.

Was there any way we could have one that final day aside from Tutuu just not accepting the deal?

Next time let me and Falcon chop Alison or any 3P D1, pls. <3

Also... um... sorry @Dyslexicon u.u

@Michelle I trust you, and won't get mad about whatever you choose to do. Do what you feel is best for us.

I'm done today. I just don't have the energy for anything right now. Y'all do what you want.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:01 pm Actually, I don't really blame the "scum reads" on me, but I feel everyone should be able to tell how fucking insanely grasping at straws that is. There's a very very very clear line of reasoning why I'm always town here if anyone actually BOTHERS reading it and thinking it through. So if that is the best people can come up with now, then something is seriously fucked here.

This is what I've been arguing the past two days I feel like. This is why I've been getting frustrated that people have been focusing on mechanics and why I tried to shake the game up last dayphase (or was it the one before that?) by making new towncores. We're going in circles talking about the same things.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:59 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:56 pm lol, i still think dizzy is town
I'm like fucking pissed and in disbelief this is even a question right now. Like for real. I wish I was in a position to have people kill me I'd be so up for that right now.

I don't like the idea of killing Hyena here. If they are scum I suck at reading people, but I really really don't think so.
Killing Syn is hardly a better option. Maybe. I will quickly catch up to his reaction to Hyena taking over for him. It's possible he did a fancy ass play, but to be honest, I feel there are far far more arguments for Syn is just town here.

If I'm lucky, Alison wins and I can say told you so.

I don't know what to do in this scenario. I really don't.

Why don't we just chop Alison? Why aren't we doing this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:54 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:50 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:43 pm It’s either Hyena or Alison.
I like it when people defend me like this.
This is my whole problem. I've said it all the time now jeez. I don't scum read anyone in thread. This is why I'm worried about Alison, but nobody is. You weren't in thread and Syn was insisting on dying, so you were the only one left that made any sense to me (but event that has never sat right with me) When you started posting now, I'm once again convinced you are town.

This is me, I don't care if you don't like it. I change my mind, and now it's crunch time and I believe your reaction here is real. It has never sat right with me that you are scum either. And you have to actually be here in order to be read.

I really don't care to have a discussion with you were you are going to go "gotcha" with me like this because of your "gut" read. I'm very very over it.

And I said, when I returned to the thread earlier, that I don't have the energy any more to play. What you got this dayphase is what you're going to get the next dayphase and thereafter, if not worse. Thus, if you're suspicious of it now and you're going to be suspicious of it later, then maybe you need to chop me today rather than wait until later.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:50 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:47 pmHow is it logically flawed? Explain it to me.
Your plan is to give Syn your power, so that Syn can target a dead and alive player and be tracked? Yes?
What good would that do? Syn could kill at the same time as he uses your power. He could kill the "live person" he targets with your power, so double target them so it won't show up on a track.

In any case. He doesn't need your power to be tracked. If we should track someone to clear them they should not do an action at all. Only that would be clearing. If you want to clear Syn: Have him do no action and track him.

You don't need to die for us to track Syn. That doesn't make any sense.

I thought mafia can't kill if they use their ability instead? Isn't that why we've been trying to use the tracker to clear town?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:43 pm It’s either Hyena or Alison.

I like it when people defend me like this.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:46 pm It doesn't matter why Hyena thinks I'm scum. They just made it up for themselves and it's stuck. It happens. But I think they believe it. I really really don't read Hyena as scum here when they are trying to come up with a (logically extremely flawed) plan to try and clear Syn and trying to die themselves. They aren't scum.

I'm going to read more and see how Syn reacts to this.
How is it logically flawed? Explain it to me.

Because here's what you're saying -- you're saying the plan I originally had laid out for myself would NOT have cleared myself. If this is the case, why were we originally going to go with it? What's the difference between doing it and Syn doing it outside of the fact that MY ROLE WOULD BE CONFIRMED IF I'M THE ONE THAT'S CHOPPED (which is why letting Syn do it is actually better than me doing it).

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:46 pm It doesn't matter why Hyena thinks I'm scum. They just made it up for themselves and it's stuck. It happens. But I think they believe it. I really really don't read Hyena as scum here when they are trying to come up with a (logically extremely flawed) plan to try and clear Syn and trying to die themselves. They aren't scum.

I'm going to read more and see how Syn reacts to this.

How is it logically flawed? Explain it to me.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:43 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:42 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:41 pm And by that, if you flip town and I am alive to tell the tale, then I will take into consideration
I've already stated countless times why I think Dizzy is scum. You have to ignore the mechanics.
Just say it again for me please, and counteracting each point

I'm not going to. I told you that I'm tired and that I'm out of energy trying to push my reads.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:43 pm Not totally caught up. But hold the phone.

No. We are not killing Hyena. I strongly believe they are town. Do not do it.

LC saying that Hyena's plan clears Syn is absolutely wrong! It doesn't at all. Where did that come from?

Obviously, mafia can kill and use an action at the same time, that is totally normal in every game, and we know Ted did that.

If LC should track someone the only logical thing to do is for that person to NOT MAKE AN ACTION. Only that way can they be cleared.

Hello???

If you don't chop me today, I'm not hearing any sort of argument from you that I'm possibly scum tomorrow or thereafter. I'm done being the designated last chop needed for mafia to win. Either do it now, or never.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:41 pm And by that, if you flip town and I am alive to tell the tale, then I will take into consideration

I've already stated countless times why I think Dizzy is scum. You have to ignore the mechanics.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:39 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:35 pm As funny as it would be to hero shoot, I think shooting in the PoE is probably better.

Out of all the "confirmed" people in the game, here is who I trust from most to least

Kyle
tutuu
dizzy
lc
There is no such thing as fun in the hero shot I would want, but I want it to be in fact a consensus shot of Syn, Hyena, you and me.

Just stick to chopping me, Michelle. To help Alison, we'd need to chop one of me, Syn, you, or JPIC -- otherwise we'd be chopping a bargainee. If this is the case, then I still maintain I'm the better shot over Syn because 1.) my role would get confirmed by it, and 2.) Syn would be able to clear himself the same way I said I'd be able to clear myself earlier if we had chopped Syn.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:36 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:11 pm Inb4 Alison/Tutu 3p team.

Tinfoils getting tinfoilier.
This ^ is why I keep suspecting you. You made the same post ("getting cold feet") on Tim and 112 before they flipped non-mafia.
Yeah, so then now you’ve met me. Hi.
If you paid attention you could town me. Your choice

It doesn't matter. My plan is that I'm dying today so that my role gets confirmed, then Syn uses my ability tonight to get confirmed via track.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:36 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:54 pm Apart from just being obv town the most concrete reason based on facts in the thread is this:

For me to be scum you would have to believe that
- I have a 1-shot super protect role as mafia. This role is confirmed via Wilgy.
- I used that 1-shot protect on Nutella, confirmed town and likely to be a target N3. It’s confirmed that I did this via Martin, since his actions was half disrupted. Only my action could have done that.
- If your argument then is “you targeted Nut to gain town cred”, then that is impossible. I would not know at all that my role would interact with Martin in the way it did and thus be able to confirm that I targeted Nut indeed. That was pure coincidence.
- I claimed my role partly immediately when Martin explained what had happened to his actions. I did this because I knew this meant Martin was telling the truth and it cleared him for me. Martin was getting heat in the thread at that time and I outed my info only to back up Martin who I strongly believed to be town. I would have absolutely no incentive or need to do that as mafia, but every incentive to do it as town. (We also know some mafia tried to go for Martin as an easy target, which was in fact one of the things that ticked me off about Sloonei, who I felt should know better.
- Today I’ve come in with info that I believe clears two players reasonably (jpic and Michelle). I gave Michelle the opportunity to lie (if mafia) or tell the truth. She chose neither, but I feel she could’ve used her role to kill our outed cop or something at an earlier point in any case, and I’ve liked her handling of it. Jpic can only be mafia with someone who did the kill instead of him. Very very unlikely imo.
- I came up with a plan that would actually lock the game in a win AND give us control over Alison while at the same time allowing her to win if she is telling the full truth. Turns out it doesn’t work because mafia can holster (rip), but the intent should be clear.

If anyone cares. Actually they should. And explain around it if they still want to “scum read” me. That I’ve seen three people mention I’m top suspect is abysmal. I’m a pretty likely NK target because of the block if game doesn’t end. I would like to plan who I block with the whole of town, but I can’t because of this new plan. Would still like opinions on who I should block.
@Hyena - please provide your counterpoints on why you think dizzy is scum

Why? I'm getting chopped today if Michelle doesn't hero shoot. And, by the looks of it, Alison doesn't want to go after Dizzy anyway, soooo we're going with my original plan of Michelle shooting me and Syn using my ability to clear himself.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:53 am If you exe a non bargainee and hit mafia, I lose 4/4, unless tutuu accepts my bargain.

If you no exe and mafia kills a bargainee, and they're outed tomorrow like has been planned, I lose 3/4 even if mafia is a non-bargainee.

If you no exe and mafia kills a non bargainee and is outed, I win 4/3 if they're a non bargainee.

If you exe a non bargainee and hit town, and mafia kills a non bargainee, I win 4/3.

If you exe a non bargainee and hit town and mafia kills a bargainee I lose.

So no matter what I should rand my protect between bargainees (probably weighted by how juicy a kill they are for mafia) tonight. If tutuu would kindly accept my bargain, I have more assurance of winning, otherwise my win condition is essentially determined by the actions of other people (if you choose to exe/nightkill bargainees or non bargainees)

@Michelle is this the one you're talking about?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:23 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:22 pm Wait, is Dizzy one of Alison's bargainees?
yes

roleblock

So, then, Dizzy isn't an option if we're trying to help Alison, right?

Wait, is Dizzy one of Alison's bargainees?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:17 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:13 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:10 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:08 pm And if you’re thinking of tutuu you literally cannot
It's not. It's the person Michelle and I have been pushing the past couple days that you guys keep saying is town.
Going to assume name starts with a D

If we follow syn's other plan, i thought LC was going to track dizzy?
Yes, that name starts with a D.

Also, why isn't it optimal to track Syn/me rather than Dizzy? Is there a benefit for tracking Dizzy or Syn (assuming they're gonna use my ability)?

Is there a benefit for tracking Dizzy OVER Syn** rather

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:13 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:10 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:08 pm And if you’re thinking of tutuu you literally cannot
It's not. It's the person Michelle and I have been pushing the past couple days that you guys keep saying is town.
Going to assume name starts with a D

If we follow syn's other plan, i thought LC was going to track dizzy?

Yes, that name starts with a D.

Also, why isn't it optimal to track Syn/me rather than Dizzy? Is there a benefit for tracking Dizzy or Syn (assuming they're gonna use my ability)?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:08 pm And if you’re thinking of tutuu you literally cannot

It's not.

It's the person Michelle and I have been pushing the past couple days that you guys keep saying is town.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:07 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:05 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:02 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:59 pm @Syn How are you feeling about Michelle at the moment. Do you trust her? Also, do you trust me?
I ask for your opinion, cuz I am well intended
I townread you and Syn. If Syn townreads the both of us, too... then I don't understand why we can't just get together and team up against everyone else. If we're all townreading each other, I don't understand why we're just following orders from other people. Like, I see you as town -- I don't see why you should have to you use your ability today. I fully trust you. We just need to find, like, one or two more people that we trust to do what we want.
Granted, if you don't use your ability today, you're probably getting nightkill to prevent you from using it the next day, so I guess it's a moot point. Selfishly, I want you to hero shot, and if whoever you shoot flips town, I'll claim all responsibility for it. I think I know who you want to shoot though, and I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to be right about the person.

If you don't hero shoot though, I think you should shoot me just to confirm my role so that Syn can use my role and everyone knows what the role does.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:05 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:02 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:59 pm @Syn How are you feeling about Michelle at the moment. Do you trust her? Also, do you trust me?
I ask for your opinion, cuz I am well intended
I townread you and Syn. If Syn townreads the both of us, too... then I don't understand why we can't just get together and team up against everyone else. If we're all townreading each other, I don't understand why we're just following orders from other people. Like, I see you as town -- I don't see why you should have to you use your ability today. I fully trust you. We just need to find, like, one or two more people that we trust to do what we want.

Granted, if you don't use your ability today, you're probably getting nightkill to prevent you from using it the next day, so I guess it's a moot point.

Selfishly, I want you to hero shot, and if whoever you shoot flips town, I'll claim all responsibility for it. I think I know who you want to shoot though, and I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to be right about the person.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:02 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:59 pm @Syn How are you feeling about Michelle at the moment. Do you trust her? Also, do you trust me?
I ask for your opinion, cuz I am well intended

I townread you and Syn. If Syn townreads the both of us, too... then I don't understand why we can't just get together and team up against everyone else. If we're all townreading each other, I don't understand why we're just following orders from other people. Like, I see you as town -- I don't see why you should have to you use your ability today. I fully trust you. We just need to find, like, one or two more people that we trust to do what we want.

@Syn How are you feeling about Michelle at the moment. Do you trust her? Also, do you trust me?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:52 pm well, giving the chat to LC is because LC is protected and can't be shot

if he's the wolf and he gives a fake check saying I went to three people, then it guarantees his own chop D11

By the way, I agree to this plan, I think.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:54 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:53 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:50 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:49 pm can you put me in the btsc instead?
Why?
Because I frankly don't trust you
Do you still believe that there's one scum between me and Syn, or has that stopped being a thing?
I tinfoiled LC earlier in the day. I think syn is highly town so I don't feel particularly comfortable with Michelle directing the yeet that way

Okay, so you're definitely more comfortable with Michelle directing the yeet my way so that Syn can use my ability (which will be confirmed with my flip) tonight?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:50 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:49 pm can you put me in the btsc instead?
Why?
Because I frankly don't trust you

Do you still believe that there's one scum between me and Syn, or has that stopped being a thing?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:48 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:47 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:44 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:35 pm I want to hero shot so bad tbh
I'm sorry that I couldn't be more helpful to you today. :< I feel like you're seeing the same things I'm seeing, but I just haven't had the energy to help you.
I know, i am squeezed of power after this game, and I don't know if its normal to kill a villa read just because someone told me so
I'm not going to be upset if you hero shot and we end up being wrong, but if you don't hero shot, I think our best bet is to take me out, get my role confirmed, and then Syn use my role tonight to try to clear himself. I'm not a bargainee, so it shouldn't mess with Alison's wincon.
Do you agree that Alison deserves help, isn't it?

Yeah, I'm down for helping Alison. If Alison is not 3P, I can just laugh at everyone who got mad at me for voting for her on D1. :P Otherwise, yeah, I'm down for trusting Alison.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:47 pm Made?
Radishes?

Either of those would be good. Tim or HK would probably be okay too.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:44 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:35 pm I want to hero shot so bad tbh
I'm sorry that I couldn't be more helpful to you today. :< I feel like you're seeing the same things I'm seeing, but I just haven't had the energy to help you.
I know, i am squeezed of power after this game, and I don't know if its normal to kill a villa read just because someone told me so

I'm not going to be upset if you hero shot and we end up being wrong, but if you don't hero shot, I think our best bet is to take me out, get my role confirmed, and then Syn use my role tonight to try to clear himself. I'm not a bargainee, so it shouldn't mess with Alison's wincon.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:42 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:40 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:36 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:28 pm I'm gonna be honest. I'm exhausted. This game has been going on for a month. I've pretty much used the last of my energy to try to explain why I'm town earlier in the day. I'm not going to be able to do anything more at this point. If you're still doubting me, then it's actually probably best to chop me here over Syn.
Syn will be able to use my ability tonight to do the same thing I expressed a desire to do earlier, which means just track Syn tonight to make sure they visit both an alive person and a dead person. Do NOT RB them.
wait what do you want to do tonight
Long Con can track, yeah? And he can also see that I visited the dead person in addition to the alive person that I give a BTSC too. My flip will confirm my role either way. Thus, if LC sees you visit a dead person, then you should be confirmed as the person who didn't make the kill, as I was trying to explain earlier. I couldn't have made the kill the day before last because I still managed to give a BTSC to you... we haven't chopped a mafia since then, and it's confirmed that no one alive has a BTSC with anyone, so unless I sacrificed my ability to kill HK, you should assumed that I actually did what I said I did last night and gave HK and BTSC with Tim.
I have been kind of assuming all this time that one can use both their role and the assigned kill at the same time

so really if I were a wolf I would just need to kill whoever I gave a chat t-

okay I could give a chat to LC

So, you're down for this plan then?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:40 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:36 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:28 pm I'm gonna be honest. I'm exhausted. This game has been going on for a month. I've pretty much used the last of my energy to try to explain why I'm town earlier in the day. I'm not going to be able to do anything more at this point. If you're still doubting me, then it's actually probably best to chop me here over Syn.
Syn will be able to use my ability tonight to do the same thing I expressed a desire to do earlier, which means just track Syn tonight to make sure they visit both an alive person and a dead person. Do NOT RB them.
wait what do you want to do tonight
Long Con can track, yeah? And he can also see that I visited the dead person in addition to the alive person that I give a BTSC too. My flip will confirm my role either way. Thus, if LC sees you visit a dead person, then you should be confirmed as the person who didn't make the kill, as I was trying to explain earlier. I couldn't have made the kill the day before last because I still managed to give a BTSC to you... we haven't chopped a mafia since then, and it's confirmed that no one alive has a BTSC with anyone, so unless I sacrificed my ability to kill HK, you should assumed that I actually did what I said I did last night and gave HK and BTSC with Tim.

In fact, flipping me first and confirming my role would make this plan even better because then people can't argue that I have extra abilities that I haven't told anyone about.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:36 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:28 pm I'm gonna be honest. I'm exhausted. This game has been going on for a month. I've pretty much used the last of my energy to try to explain why I'm town earlier in the day. I'm not going to be able to do anything more at this point. If you're still doubting me, then it's actually probably best to chop me here over Syn.
Syn will be able to use my ability tonight to do the same thing I expressed a desire to do earlier, which means just track Syn tonight to make sure they visit both an alive person and a dead person. Do NOT RB them.
wait what do you want to do tonight

Long Con can track, yeah? And he can also see that I visited the dead person in addition to the alive person that I give a BTSC too. My flip will confirm my role either way. Thus, if LC sees you visit a dead person, then you should be confirmed as the person who didn't make the kill, as I was trying to explain earlier. I couldn't have made the kill the day before last because I still managed to give a BTSC to you... we haven't chopped a mafia since then, and it's confirmed that no one alive has a BTSC with anyone, so unless I sacrificed my ability to kill HK, you should assumed that I actually did what I said I did last night and gave HK and BTSC with Tim.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:35 pm I want to hero shot so bad tbh

I'm sorry that I couldn't be more helpful to you today. :< I feel like you're seeing the same things I'm seeing, but I just haven't had the energy to help you.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:32 pm why does everyone have a desire to be yeeted smh

Because it's been a month, and I've used up all my will to play. I don't have any more energy. If you keep me around, what you've seen from me today is basically what you're going to get tomorrow. Thus, if you don't townread me right now, it's probably best to get rid of me today and try to get Syn cleared with my own ability.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:11 pm Inb4 Alison/Tutu 3p team.

Tinfoils getting tinfoilier.

This ^ is why I keep suspecting you. You made the same post ("getting cold feet") on Tim and 112 before they flipped non-mafia.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:28 pm I'm gonna be honest. I'm exhausted. This game has been going on for a month. I've pretty much used the last of my energy to try to explain why I'm town earlier in the day. I'm not going to be able to do anything more at this point. If you're still doubting me, then it's actually probably best to chop me here over Syn.
Syn will be able to use my ability tonight to do the same thing I expressed a desire to do earlier, which means just track Syn tonight to make sure they visit both an alive person and a dead person. Do NOT RB them.

@Dyslexicon @Justplayingitcool @Syn @tutuu @Michelle @Long Con @Kylemii

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:28 pm I'm gonna be honest. I'm exhausted. This game has been going on for a month. I've pretty much used the last of my energy to try to explain why I'm town earlier in the day. I'm not going to be able to do anything more at this point. If you're still doubting me, then it's actually probably best to chop me here over Syn.

Syn will be able to use my ability tonight to do the same thing I expressed a desire to do earlier, which means just track Syn tonight to make sure they visit both an alive person and a dead person. Do NOT RB them.

I'm gonna be honest. I'm exhausted. This game has been going on for a month. I've pretty much used the last of my energy to try to explain why I'm town earlier in the day. I'm not going to be able to do anything more at this point. If you're still doubting me, then it's actually probably best to chop me here over Syn.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:10 pm @Alison @Dyslexicon @Hyena @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @Long Con @Michelle @Syn

stuff that need to be clarified, please let me know because i dont remember everything:

1) when was dead nutella put in contact with LC by hyena's role
2) when did kyle steal alison's power in order to offer her a bargain
3) when did wilgy attempt to visit michelle, and was it on the same night MR made wilgy visit himself, and was all of that on the same night ted used his busdrive?
4) did hyena try to put dyachei with nutella in contact during n2?
5) who did hyena try to put in contact with again on n4, n5, n6, n7, and n8?
6) what were all of long con's track targets again, as well as all of his remove-from-poll targets again and on which nights?
7) who were kyle's targets that he stole from using alisons' power on all days, and what did he do with all of those actions?
8) who did master radish use his self-redirect on on n4, n5, n6 and n7?
9) what were all of syn's targets from n4 and onwards
10) apart from michelle and jpic claiming ted's songs does anyone else claim them?
11) does anyone except tutuu and kyle claim to have played baseball with sloonei?

#1, #4, #5:

N1 - Cat with Jack (to prove what I can do)
N2 - Dyachei with Nutella (I think I was curious about Dya's read on Thunal?)
N3 - Mac with Tim (because I was townreading Tim)
N4 - Nutella with Long Con (I forgot why)
N5 - Mac with Syn (Because of Tim vs Syn dynamics and because I was townreading Syn)
N6 - Jack with Nutella (Jack asked for this, and confirmed he got it before he got shot)
N7 - Wilgy with Syn (Dizzy suggested Wilgy due to being confused about mechanics)
N8 - Tim with Hollowkatt (I was townreading both and I thought they'd be able to work with each other)

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