The Syndicate

Oh wow. The coolest role was killed off immediately. Thanks wolves.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention] big thanks for hosting too! That was obviously a huge time commitment. This was easily the most elaborate game I've ever seen, so props for pulling it off.

How everyone who played til the end must feel

Gg wp, mafia and MR.

I enjoyed my time playing with everyone all the way back in October.

LET IT RAND

someone move lol

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:55 pm i have no idea what the info we get from lynching tlib is btw

BUT INFO!

Ok I meant we'd get more info since he's actually interacted with people.

I can't believe we're letting Tlib getting away with slanking all day. HE DID NOTHING but watch.

we get more info from lynching TLib than Faraday.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:51 pm Sorry zoned out in a civ 5 game forgot this was open in the background.

currently would be voting boo for self pres but would prefore the DFaraday lynch in comparison

I feel like this is untrue. And you know what we do to liars??

The only thing concerning about TLib is the wagon itself.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

[mention]juliets[/mention] pretend you have full control: who do you want to lynch?

Update on TLib:

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm So, I went away, I announced I went away, and when I come back, suddenly I have two votes. What for? Why could you not talk to me while I was here?

I assumed we'd talk when you got back? I still suspect your case against Vanity is a powerwolf attempt to mislynch a villager. Not that your case is bad, I just don't think it's substantial enough to think Vanity is the best choice here, given his involvement in lynching Drago.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:36 pm Finished page 81

Let me guess: the vanity wagon just died

Can you consolidate you catch up posts a tad? It kind of distracts from the RT interactions, tbf.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:28 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:53 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm Huh, well vanity seems to have gone full rage-mode over having votes which is reading way more cornered baddie than upset civ to me. I didn't find the cases compelling enough to consider a vote for him, but now I'm kind of inclined to.
lol.

i wouldn''t be upset at all if i wasn't actually being villagery. i've had a villagery game so far and plenty of people have noticed. it's just unfortunate that there's no one like that in this group.

also me raging like that is probably in both of my ranges but i think i would have more courtesy as a wolf overall
Your anger is uncharacteristic, but makes you towny. Way to double down on that. Wolves we both know go by "anger is towny". I didn't even push you over being away, it was a point in a list. Your self-conscious is showing.

If there's one part of your case I agree with it's that vanity does seem very self-conscious. But I'm not sure if that's just his thing.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:23 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me
"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?
That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh
He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.
My problem with vanity flaking is not that it makes him look "uncharacteristic". If he apologizes for that, I don't care.

Sorry, I'm still a bit confused about what you're implying. Can you re-phrase?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:22 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:12 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:10 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:07 pm Hyena, what's your read on TLib?
I still don't want to lynch him. In fact, I was going to suggest that I'd rather see tied wagons between DFar and someone else before Benson switched his vote.
I may be moving back. He seems soooo frozen today, especially when he's been given some breathing room.
That's a fair point.
When you guys say "frozen" are you thinking they are a wolf in wolf chat or even a wolf that just can't decide where the safe place is to go? (frozen=wolfy? in other words)

I say frozen meaning he's reading the thread but doesn't know what to say, or he's scared to engage.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me
"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?
That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh
He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.

Idk, usually when I lose my temper I afterwards regret it and want people to know that's not who I am.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm i'm conflicted between wanting to veto tlib votes and not

tlib's just a hard person to read in general i think
I don't know him at all. Does he behave this way in all the games he plays? I'm considering moving to Faraday.

I did a very cursory read through some of TLib's MU games. He certainly seems capable of being a productive and helpful villager.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me
"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?

That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:10 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:07 pm Hyena, what's your read on TLib?
I still don't want to lynch him. In fact, I was going to suggest that I'd rather see tied wagons between DFar and someone else before Benson switched his vote.

I may be moving back. He seems soooo frozen today, especially when he's been given some breathing room.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Elephant put in work on the vanity case but it reads like a smear campaign because none of the stuff was even that wolfy.

Can I interest anyone in an Elephant wagon?

Spoiler: show

Long Con's case against TL was what I didn't really like. It was as if he was forcing reasons for TL being a wolf.

I think I leave Long Con alone today simply because of his interactions with Drago.

boo isn't being very solvey though. He's just there.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

I'm starting to think he may not be trustworthy.

I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but Trustworthy's contributions on day 2 don't inspire any hope. It's like he's always doing the bare minimum of what's being asked.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:40 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:31 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:30 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:03 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:48 am One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.
Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.
Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?
Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.
Yes. Too much information meaning you may be a wolf that knows certain details a villager wouldn't.
Gotcha.

It's literally just based on how posting works on forums like these. Duplicating a thread isn't possible. It'd be a security problem.

Huh, interesting. I just kinda assumed there was some way the other group(s) could see the posts from D1. Not having the ability to review the previous day would be pretty detrimental, but I suppose it fits the theme.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:31 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:30 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:03 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:48 am One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.
Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.
Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?
Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.

Yes. Too much information meaning you may be a wolf that knows certain details a villager wouldn't.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:03 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:48 am One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.
Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:02 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:43 pm Moivng to [VOTE: DF] aubergine because I have votes again so...
Why are these two things related?

nvm that's kind of a silly question. But qualifying votes like that always worries me.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:43 pm Moivng to [VOTE: DF] aubergine because I have votes again so...

Why are these two things related?

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:55 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:49 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:34 pm [VOTE: boo] aubergine
Like JC, I'm not clear on why I drew your vote?
I did not like the way you popped in to vote Vanity. Your reasons, specifically, did not seem convincing.

To clarify, I didn't seem to me that you were actually convinced vanity was a wolf.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:49 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:34 pm [VOTE: boo] aubergine
Like JC, I'm not clear on why I drew your vote?

I did not like the way you popped in to vote Vanity. Your reasons, specifically, did not seem convincing.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:32 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:30 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:27 pm Just up and able to think now gonna catch up quickly
I've seen you at the bottom for the past hour. Lies?
Yeah i've been here but not awake kinda thing if that makes sense Halloween party last night and taking dog out kept trying to pay attention but couldn't till now

I know activity hunting is gross but that's hard to ignore.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:27 pm Just up and able to think now gonna catch up quickly

I've seen you at the bottom for the past hour. Lies?

I'm feeling:

Elephant
Boo (still not sure about this though)
Dfaraday
none
none

Thanks for the answers everyone.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:14 pm last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose

Yeah, I was not compelled. He just listed a lot of things but didn't dive into why they were wolfy. I haven't played with him but just from interacting with him these past days I get the feeling if he were a villager his reasons to vote you would have been more convincing.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:52 pm @vanity.

Looking at my response to Benson may have looked like I just took his post and chopped it up but I went through each thing line item by line item and decided whether to include it. You made some good points about some of those things, and when I revisited it I saw some things that were probably more NAI. And maybe what it boiled down to is I don't remember you being like this in wc1. You have explained that too now so I am satisfied and moved off of you. Maybe I went overboard in trying to vote more often like the rest of you do, moving from person to person.

I'll try and work with you just please remember I am in rl someone who built a career on looking at the facts, weighing the evidence, and not doing anything hastily so this way of playing is not my normal style. Please don't make fun of me for it, I am trying my best to break out of it.

I say you do you, Juliets.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:48 pm So I guess the linkitis feature is turned off, right?
Yes Jay announced that a while ago, if you object you can pm him

what kind of heathen would object to that?

Pick the wolf in each pair (or say "no wolf/multiple wolves" if you want)

Elephant/Juliets
Boo/Long Con
Dfaraday/TLib
vanity/hyena (I'm a bit doubtful there'd be a wolf here, but whatever)
creature/nutella/ya boy benson

I have reason to think the first few groups have a wolf in each pair. The latter groups are more or less random.

I'm looking forward to TL's thoughts on all this; and it better not just be another Monica gif.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:40 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:38 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:33 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 pm I'm at the point where I have a good suspicion one of Elephant or Juliets is a wolf, but probably never together. This inference hinges on vanity being town, however
Then by all means vote for me. I am tired of this game. I have been called a bad player because I am methodical and meticulous, I have been called lazy after I worked my ass off on that vote analysis and put all my effort into responding to people. I have been compared to some cartoon character I don't even know. I spend all my free time on this game and am not enjoying it. Its like another job.

I can die and join the spectator chat and have fun with Ty4on and whoever else is there, maybe TSP and Texas. I can speculate and be myself, cautious and methodical.

Maybe you will learn something from my lynch. I am humor by the way, how ironic.
Whoa, it was just a suspicion Juliets! I don't think you're bad, lazy, or anything negative. You have put in substantial work, I see that.
Being productive doesn't preclude you being a wolf in my mind.
No, I'm not saying it should. But being called lazy? That was just harsh and rude and uncalled for.

OK, fair. I understand being called lazy when you have been doing work is infuriating.

I'm leaning towards villagery frustration on this.

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