The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:54 pm Still behind a bit.

Needless to say, copy and paste any other post of your own or someone else's you think would be important later.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:53 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm Dom you clearly don't like Rabbit's style, fine, but it's his style of playing and he's been doing it all game.

Move on and try to help us solve please? Rabbit is clearly not being voted out today unless everyone is lying.

Radishes is bad.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off

@Pawn Lelouch @Master Radishes
Are you two very very sure about putting this guy up as an option

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off

i don't think a wolf is posting like this. just saying

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:47 pm "engage" is generous there

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:42 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:33 pm Have we settled on a threesome yet?

I want Sprit and Nova in there. Can't decide on a third at the moment.

Why am I there fam?

Your EoD vote and your lack of play today until recently.

Fwiw I haven't minded some of your posts here lately, but we need a pool and we can't discuss specifics, so in you go.

You asked about my post, and I gave you an explanation. What's your take on that? Haven't seen you get back to me, it feels weird especially if you're genuinely trying to figure me out. Engage me there. My lack of play is obviously due to me being busy, it was the same D1 as well. Activity isn't alignment indicative for me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:41 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:26 pm is late at me i will submit my PM in 10 mins and wish us luck.
if my Poe of Nova, Quin and LLD is wrong please say it asap.

Sprityo and Colin can wait.

From outside this thread my top scum is Elephant but he is not here, and i think i can put him in good company with Hyena.

Michelle I TR you and want to work with you. But I don't like Quin being in there on 2 posts. That's such a cop-out.

why do you TR me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:38 pm My three are still Radishes, 112 and iaafr.

But I’ll probably vote outside that just to have an impact.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:33 pm Have we settled on a threesome yet?

I want Sprit and Nova in there. Can't decide on a third at the moment.

Why am I there fam?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:43 pm Just did a quick ISO of Colin and Sprit.

Colin's thoughts come without agenda, IMO. He sounds like a townie trying to fit into a game that has left him behind. I could be wrong on this, but so far I don't mind him.

Sprit is the opposite. I didn't like that one post in D1, and continue to find thoughts of his I just ...don't like. I'll give examples later if I have a few moments strung together tonight. (I'm in and out, as I said.)

Do you not like my thoughts because you don’t agree with them or do you not like my thoughts because you think I have some kind of hidden agenda?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:26 pm is late at me i will submit my PM in 10 mins and wish us luck.
if my Poe of Nova, Quin and LLD is wrong please say it asap.

Sprityo and Colin can wait.

From outside this thread my top scum is Elephant but he is not here, and i think i can put him in good company with Hyena.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm or I'm still right on the conspiracy theory and sprit was just trying to gaslight me out of it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:44 pm Rabbit
Radishes

Gth are they town or scum?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:48 pm Lol this game is also know as “Jack asks for Nova’s reads.”

Mac
Quin

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:52 pm Pawn
Epi

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:23 pm I have a feeling my head is about to roll this phase lol, that's super lame

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:16 pm But to reiterate my scum read bottom group is Dom, Nova, Quin, with my upper group as Rej/Colin, LLD, Sprit.

You, Epi, iaafr, Mac, ES, 112 as my null+ or higher groups. Michelle and Jack are my nulls.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:14 pm I would be very unlikely to vote for Rabbit, Mac, Michelle, Nanook, or Pawn today. (I have a deepwolf suspicion or two in that pool, but am nonetheless very unlikely to vote there today.)

As a general principle I don't support voting for low-posters without just cause, and as such would also be unlikely to vote for Quin, and likely Dom. (Nova is an exception due to my vote analysis.) I could be open about Dom if someone paints me a good case.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:11 pm And as it is, I believe it should be fairly obvious who my most thread consensus vote option of my bottom 5 is, considering how I divided them in a group of two and a group of 3.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:00 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:55 pm Does anyone else feel like we, as a group, are doing a poor job of actually scumhunting today? A lot of the discussion has been only tangentially helpful in rooting out the mafia amongst us.

I know we can't narrow down to a couple wagons as we approach EoD, but we can still ISO and build cases and such.

Like in all seriousness so many people have basically low/no posted that we can't actually do anything to truly ISO them, especially due to the lack of a D1 thread and the vote coordination restrictions.

So there are so many people that have to be auto nulled/null- that we can't effectively scum hunt with all of the negative space. So it's been largely focused on jokes and honestly town building.

It's just that people are heavily conflicted on who make up town and it's been more of an unsaid undercurrent rather than something explicitly stated.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:21 am @iaafr

Remind me why you think individual Syndicate players besides Epi look scummy?

Like you, Pawn, 112 and Radishes have all expressed that your suspicions mostly lie on Syndicate regulars.

I don’t have any Syndicate regulars in my scumpool. What am I missing?

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:07 am Let's be real. Half the reason we're all following this is entertainment value, the other half is that most of us all have multiple syndicate scum reads already so there is no issue with following along for now.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:59 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:56 am Heh, I had the 'Syndicates = scum team' theory awhile ago. I didn't voice it because, you know, it's not the case.


I do wonder, though - a lot of low posters are Syndicate regulars I think. Were they just caught off guard by such an active game?

It really hasn't been that active of a game though. Not eith how large the initial game started as.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:10 pm Today was a circus. I would not have been surprised to have looked out into the hall and spied a juggling bear on a unicycle. I saw plenty else.

Did someone say you were a teacher? Me too. I empathise.

What's your subject?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:10 pm Today was a circus. I would not have been surprised to have looked out into the hall and spied a juggling bear on a unicycle. I saw plenty else.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:52 pm Hi I’m nanook I kill scum and I’m here for the next 2-10 minutes, ama

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:50 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:48 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:35 pm I still think 112 is town and radishes is scum.

there's just like a perspective and priorities sniff test he doesn't pass for me

I also don't trust 112s read on radishes because people with meta on each other often don't have better than Rand rate at reading each other. I got burned recently by trusting duk3 and Colin (diff Coli

Agree about meta reads.

But I just really don't get what it is you don't like about me. As far as I can tell you just disagree with my wagonomic conclusions.

You're a pretty high townread for me, so it's a bit disappointing. But not anime betrayal level or anything. I can live with it.

I've been softening and on the verge of flipping for awhile

can I ask what your bottom 4 in this pool looks like as of this moment?

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:35 pm I still think 112 is town and radishes is scum.

there's just like a perspective and priorities sniff test he doesn't pass for me

I also don't trust 112s read on radishes because people with meta on each other often don't have better than Rand rate at reading each other. I got burned recently by trusting duk3 and Colin (diff Coli

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:09 pm Actually, first I'll quickly make my position clear:

A) It is ridiculous to suggest scum weren't on the 112 wagon, regardless of 112's alignment. If anyone was actually here and watching in real time (I was keeping up, but was only half-focused because of real life matters) then at 7 mins to go the wagons were 8-5 (Drago-112) and by 3 mins to go they were 8-8. It was literally only the last minute that Drago was decidedly lynched.

B) 112's alignment obviously affects matters, but I simply hadn't enough time to cover both town!112 and scum!112 worlds before D2 ended. I tackled town!112 first, because the last minute fluctuations felt, to me, that scum tried to save Drago but didn't have enough of them present to do it.

C) From a town!112 worldview, the votes I pointed out (Nova and Eva) looked most obviously like scum trying to save Drago. A few others (TSP, Epi, Jack) for various reasons might be seen as scummy, might not be. Creature and Elephant were NAI.

C.1) I had Evenstar as likely V yesterday, but based on her vote I began to look at her under a red light. Her play this round has reinforced my view, as I feel she's not actually focused on gamesolving and is instead tossing questions to her familiars (Nook, Pawn, sorta LLD) with a touch of chaosposting.

C.2) I had Epi as null+ yesterday, and didn't initially mind his SoD reads. But his analysis of Evenstar was lacking, IMO, as he cleared her for things that she should not be cleared for. Seeing as he was one of my 'potential scum votes' I pushed a bit there, and when he responded to me I liked his responses well enough. But a potential association has been established in my scum!Eva worldview. And I don't accept clearing him for 'hard work', as I seem to recall someone in the D1 thread pointing out Epi does that as either alignment.

C.3) Jack I went from scumread to townread and then to null in D1. I had no plans to push there but his recent attempt to discredit everything I've said here has created an association within my worldview as well.

C.4) Nova was, I thought, actually the scummiest vote, but so far the other three have all hinted at a scumread of him, I think? So IMO he's either the scum I'm looking for or the odd one out.


Took too much time on that. Definitely need to get to work now.

A) I agree.
B) I have no idea what to think about 112. The wagonomics say town, their play says scum. Now that I consider again, I feel like the "godfather save" theory could be correct: it explains why the last-ditch Epignosis counterwagon was a thing, the weird collapse of the 112 wagon, and why 112 still looks awful today.
C) Honestly, I stand by my 112 vote. They've been weirdly abrasive and noncontributory all game. Maybe I should've trusted my distaste for Dragomir and voted there, but IME my gut reads suck.
C.1) I scumhunt by calling people scum until one of them makes it obvious they are. That seemed to be banned in this environment. Since then, Dom's posting has made it pretty clear that I'm actually allowed to suspect people, so I'm putting more pressure down now.
C.2) I agree that hard work isn't clearing, but there are other reasons to not suspect Epignosis, such as the late counterwagon on him and the tone quality of his posts. (I get that you don't like his tone/analysis depth: personally I feel like he's doing the right level to actually solve rather than to advertise "look at me I'm so town.")
C.3) I don't remember anything of value from Jack D1 and his D2 doesn't appeal to me either. He definitely deserves pressure.
C.4) Nova's vote was terrible, and he's lurking like hell. He was also a participant in the counterwagon against Epignosis. The evidence against him is pretty damning IMO.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:26 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:09 pm Actually, first I'll quickly make my position clear:

A) It is ridiculous to suggest scum weren't on the 112 wagon, regardless of 112's alignment. If anyone was actually here and watching in real time (I was keeping up, but was only half-focused because of real life matters) then at 7 mins to go the wagons were 8-5 (Drago-112) and by 3 mins to go they were 8-8. It was literally only the last minute that Drago was decidedly lynched.

B) 112's alignment obviously affects matters, but I simply hadn't enough time to cover both town!112 and scum!112 worlds before D2 ended. I tackled town!112 first, because the last minute fluctuations felt, to me, that scum tried to save Drago but didn't have enough of them present to do it.

C) From a town!112 worldview, the votes I pointed out (Nova and Eva) looked most obviously like scum trying to save Drago. A few others (TSP, Epi, Jack) for various reasons might be seen as scummy, might not be. Creature and Elephant were NAI.

C.1) I had Evenstar as likely V yesterday, but based on her vote I began to look at her under a red light. Her play this round has reinforced my view, as I feel she's not actually focused on gamesolving and is instead tossing questions to her familiars (Nook, Pawn, sorta LLD) with a touch of chaosposting.

C.2) I had Epi as null+ yesterday, and didn't initially mind his SoD reads. But his analysis of Evenstar was lacking, IMO, as he cleared her for things that she should not be cleared for. Seeing as he was one of my 'potential scum votes' I pushed a bit there, and when he responded to me I liked his responses well enough. But a potential association has been established in my scum!Eva worldview. And I don't accept clearing him for 'hard work', as I seem to recall someone in the D1 thread pointing out Epi does that as either alignment.

C.3) Jack I went from scumread to townread and then to null in D1. I had no plans to push there but his recent attempt to discredit everything I've said here has created an association within my worldview as well.

C.4) Nova was, I thought, actually the scummiest vote, but so far the other three have all hinted at a scumread of him, I think? So IMO he's either the scum I'm looking for or the odd one out.


Took too much time on that. Definitely need to get to work now.

A: Agreed. There was absolutely scum on 112 regardless of their alignment, though good odds some were on Drago at the end, especially in a dual scum world. In a singular scum wagon world most of the Drago votes on the early section/middle are the main to look at in terms of sus. Since Hyena and LC doing the quite literal last minute votes when pushed isn't the best look but they aren't here now, so we need to make do.

B: Fair reasoning due to the save Drago vibe.

C: Agreed on the scummy votes and the questionable ones. Why are those 2 NAI though?

C1: Chaosposting and touching with familiars is extremely common with ES regardless of alignment. Though I do agree with the rest about her EOD vote being an extremely bad look.

C2: Hard work clearing is BS, we agree on that. Right now I currently town lean him regardless of the analysis posts, though I acknowledge that he has a potentially bad associative with Eva.

C3: Curious as to some of the specific associations.

C4: Basically scum or twtbaw, with the actual scum taking advantage of a free ML from your perspective? With no clue as to which yet?

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:09 pm how's it a minor point if it's a key assumption in your eod analysis

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:10 pm Yeah Radishes is full of shit regarding "I wasn't pushing the Godfather thing."

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:05 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:02 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:26 pm I haven't been reading pages I missed

does anybody scumread epi other than lld

Since Evenstar brought my name up, let me reiterate: I think Epi fits into a scum!Eva world because I felt his analysis of her interaction with Drago was poor, and I think Epi's vote on 112 could potentially read as a scum voting slot based on how it went down. I'm not outright scumreading Epi, however. Overall I think his play has been fine.

Call him Null, or Null- perhaps.

also mr what if eva's town

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:26 pm I haven't been reading pages I missed

does anybody scumread epi other than lld

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:09 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:08 pm Rabbit, your little bounce-around-scumreading-everyone thing is fine for D1, but we have half decent info now. I expected your thoughts would expand accordingly.

You're a perceptive player when you want to be and I respect that. Why do you call my analysis agendaed and distorted? Just because you disagree?

yes.

also most of that info disappeared so I can't access it directly, only with memories.

but yes the emphasis on the godfather role feels unnatural to the point of wolfy to me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:42 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:40 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:38 pm now Colin's crutching on godfather shit too

Meaning?

I don't know maybe I'm just getting unduly overly pinged by it but I feel like both you and radishes keep mentioning the godfather being lynched in a way that makes it seem like a bigger deal than it was

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:55 pm don't think im doing anything substantive today other than what I've said

scumlist still lld radishes and then Dom or quin or pawn idk

lld's scumread of epi still exaggerated as well as her reaction to me disagreeing with that read

radishes eod analysis still agendaed and distorted

Dom's push on me still stupid and he's still shading me without actually engaging with any of the reads (acts as if I didn't give any reads after implying my reads list is full of omgus [no u]????)

and uh quin quoted my read on him/tsp and called it just interesting...? honestly wtf lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:05 pm “Poorly worded” implication that Eva was “chaos posting” and therefore scum. Talk about a smear campaign.

We’ve gone over your post on Eva. I didn’t like your post(s) on Epi where he did long interactive isos and came to some sort of conclusion about the alignment of each player. I think they make Epi look really good and since the D1 thread is now gone, those posts are basically allowing me to develop reads on players I paid no attention to D1 or who posted in the 10 or so pages I missed.

Here’s what you have to say about it though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:38 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:35 pm Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework

I can't remember him actually doing this before lol

How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

Talk about a smear campaign.

I called your reads level 1 because you admitted they’re basically pure wagonomics and there’s nothing more to say about them. I don’t take it back.