The Syndicate

Welp I guess that qualifies me for next year's GoC. Thanks Dizzy! See you all then.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:34 pm I'm actually PGO just didn't want to give the mafia too much info.
lol he's just trolling. he's the last soup wolf and gave up. @DrWilgy shoot here

I mean yeah it was a joke.

I'll be going to bed soon. Shoot me by all means. Give 112 a chance to play a little longer.

I'm actually PGO just didn't want to give the mafia too much info.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:29 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:27 pm Like I'm always going to be PoE and I'm going to be an easy one for wolves to push too so if we have KP then yeah I guess use it on me and save me the embarassment of being mischopped.

If I don't get shot I'll continue to sporadically try to contribute.
Wilgy must use his shot sooner than later. So, wanna give us a legacy in case you get popped?

Legacies are stupid and I never read anyone's so no one should read mine.

Nothing I have to say should really be taken as valuable anyway. I'm pretty out of sync. Also on phone and not gonna type up an essay here.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:25 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:24 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:01 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:00 pm So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.
whats your role?
VT
Kiwi VT or literal VT?

Just plain VT.

Like I'm always going to be PoE and I'm going to be an easy one for wolves to push too so if we have KP then yeah I guess use it on me and save me the embarassment of being mischopped.

If I don't get shot I'll continue to sporadically try to contribute.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:22 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:59 pm Part of me hates letting my team down and wants to live to redeem myself somehow.

Part of me would be happier out of my misery because honestly to never should've signed up for this game.
Is this an admission bc it sure looks like it.

No?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:01 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:00 pm So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.
whats your role?

VT

So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.

Part of me hates letting my team down and wants to live to redeem myself somehow.

Part of me would be happier out of my misery because honestly to never should've signed up for this game.

Anyway if that's something I need to address I guess tell me what it is? I'm like 20 pages behind still.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:52 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:31 pm I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!
Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?
I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?
Oh shit, MR's been getting deep into his Pimm's cup it would seem

Pimm's is a summer drink you peasant.

112 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:31 pm I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!
Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?
I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?
I think you're missing the more important questions and substituting for insignificant bothers.

Why not ask why Nelly Furtado is hardly spoken about in everyday conversations any longer despite her incredible discography?

Nelly Furtado is someone I enjoy the singles I know but whose discography I am lacking an education in. By all means, educate me!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:31 pm I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!
Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Coming home from a long day at work, there's nothing I love more than finding a wagon on me.

Oh. Boooring.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Lmao gotta love flash wagons these never go wrong

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:45 pm Tbh sean's wagon size and the way he's talked about his shots and stuff probably just means hes a 3p serial killer lmao.

Oh, well then in GoC we let 3Ps live!

Right, 2020 crew?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:44 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:41 pm For real though, this much wagon fluctuation between PoE options kind of maybe signals a wolf is one of the options? Maybe just wishful thinking?
Could be one wolf, two wolves or zero wolves.
You’re forgetting the other option of negative wolves

What if we're all wolves?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:41 pm For real though, this much wagon fluctuation between PoE options kind of maybe signals a wolf is one of the options? Maybe just wishful thinking?
Could be one wolf, two wolves or zero wolves.

If it was 0 wolves or all wolves there wouldn't be so much growth and death and regrowth of wagons. Mafia would settle on their desired kill.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:40 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:39 pm Are those wagons just all town?
The motion is a good sign. I detect a hit.

For real though, this much wagon fluctuation between PoE options kind of maybe signals a wolf is one of the options? Maybe just wishful thinking?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:39 pm Are those wagons just all town?

The motion is a good sign. I detect a hit.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:36 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:35 pm I'm ngl I have no energy for this EOD.

So

Nyeh.

Rondo, why'd you buy that fur coat?
But not a real fur coat, that's cruel

Dijon ketchup?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:04 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:57 pm I wish I had three day vigs
I wished there were ITAs. This game feels like being trapped in the elevator with 27 people for 48 hours.
OMG this so much. And half of them, while speaking your language, speak a dialect of it that you don't quite get ha ha

I'm gonna try to read some more Sean/Rondo, but as i said my top suspect is Marmot, so I would prefer to leave my vote there if I don't have to save.

Nanook pre-game said it would only last 4-5 game Days so I can't wait for more bloodbath.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:51 pm Okay I've actually finally cracked open Sabi's iso and damn they have some soft interactions with Rondo. (Also Marmot btw but that's neither here nor now.) Nothing yet noticeable on Sean or SVS but I'm only partway through.
She was trying to frame me from day 1 for when she went over. Its a good play

Frame you? I mean I can see it being just Sabi having fun with friends in early game regardless of alignment, but I dunno about deliberate framing. Like their iso also has pretty good indication at not being teamed with a couple people like Falcon and Nutella imo, so it's not like Sabi is some spew-controlling genius.

Btw update: my wife's out cold.

If I suddenly disappear she woke up and killed me for letting her fall asleep with her contacts in.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:21 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:20 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:18 pm My eyes keep glazing over as I skim through Seanzie's iso. It's...yeah, it's pretty empty of real content. Also lots of short questions with little follow up. And reptition around having a gun and who to shoot. It's pretty bad.

I have one experience of wolf Seanzie and he wasn't like this, though? Can't remember the game but he slanked hard to end game then WIMed it out of the park and nearly won the game. This feels like he just can't be bothered and I'm a sucker for reading that as town because that's basically how it is for me.
Reading this again the top paragraph probably outweighs the bottom paragraph.
You're a bottom

No comment.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:18 pm My eyes keep glazing over as I skim through Seanzie's iso. It's...yeah, it's pretty empty of real content. Also lots of short questions with little follow up. And reptition around having a gun and who to shoot. It's pretty bad.

I have one experience of wolf Seanzie and he wasn't like this, though? Can't remember the game but he slanked hard to end game then WIMed it out of the park and nearly won the game. This feels like he just can't be bothered and I'm a sucker for reading that as town because that's basically how it is for me.

Reading this again the top paragraph probably outweighs the bottom paragraph.

My eyes keep glazing over as I skim through Seanzie's iso. It's...yeah, it's pretty empty of real content. Also lots of short questions with little follow up. And reptition around having a gun and who to shoot. It's pretty bad.

I have one experience of wolf Seanzie and he wasn't like this, though? Can't remember the game but he slanked hard to end game then WIMed it out of the park and nearly won the game. This feels like he just can't be bothered and I'm a sucker for reading that as town because that's basically how it is for me.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:14 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:11 pm Okay this is a weird exercise, please just ignore.

Spoiler: show
1 MR is the player with the most experience with 112 and has been non stop tunneling him.

2 112 has mostly been presenting an unwavering townread in spite of this. Except for briefly when noticing Nutella questioning MR saying he actually too was sus but then going nowhere with it and returning back to townreading him.

3 MR is very towny.

4 112 is townreading MR because he feels there is an absence of wolf agenda in his tunneling Rondo. That it wouldn't make sense for wolf MR to play into town 112 this way.

What makes more sense?

Town 112 habing an unwavering generous townread on the person who reads her best who would be reading him wrong because of point 4.

Wolf 112 recognising the person with the best read on her has immediately caught him and had decided non violent ignorance and blowing smoke up his ass is the only way to deal with it. And opportunistically amplifying suspicion on MR when he feels he can get away with it.

Interesting what did you learn? I like it

I learned I'm egocentric. (Actually I knew that already.) I couldn't fully grasp Mac's logic when it involved two people I don't know as well, so I switched it to me and 112 who I know super well and it made the line of reasoning more coherent for me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:14 pm I kind of hate Marmot coming in like "Im voting Sean, and IF he is doing the same things it's a good option"

Please don't introduce a Marmot wagon now. I can barely keep up with three options.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Let's keep things competitive.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:06 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:14 am Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.
@Michelle @Master Radishes
Okay this is hard for me to really absorb because I'm best with things I was involved in or was present for. Like I think I 'get' it but I also just ask 'isn't this just Rondo being Rondo'? Maybe this is uncharitable but I've already broken that seal a few posts agin - I just find Rondo does weird shit sometimes, or rather shit I just don't follow with my own brain thoughts.
MR has no reason to chime in and save me as wolf, especially when I am scum reading him. have town points.

I wouldn't say I was trying to save you? I was trying to wrap my head around what Mac was saying and wanted follow up.

Spoiler: show

Sabi talking to or about Rondo. I might've missed one or two posts but nothing more substantial than this.

It's all fluff. Sabi posted a lot of fluff of course, but I can't say there's anything here that even remotely prevents Sabi and Rondo being paired.

I didn't really see anything? regarding Seanzie or SVS, but also I was skimming pretty quickly by the end because isoing is long.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:55 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:25 pm I think Mac's a wolf but I'll give him the chance to lynch a wolf today incase he is town or bussing wolf.

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine
This is a very odd way for Mac to lose his 3rd free Lynch before town goes on him. Killing his cred in future games against me and generally looking silly. If Mac is mafia here I would be surprised and as I said its a glorious play I can only support
I keep getting flashbacks of that previous GOC game where Mac kept insulting everyone's plays and then flipped wolf.

Last year? Eh. I'm always wary of letting wolf Mac get away with shit, and in the past I've never been brave enough to take him on when my instinct told me he was bad. But last year's GoC I sensed wolf!Mac basically immediately (and still didn't push it hard enough tbh). And at the risk of looking a fool, I don't sense that same Mac here. I can't remember how I phrased it before in that game, but wolf!Mac is mimicking his town abrasiveness but he's more like a bull in a china shop trying to cause chaos and he forgets to have natural reads. Town!Mac is still smashing things but he's swinging a bat and selecting what to smash.

Mac is not someone I'm ever going to feel comfortable locking in as town on play alone, but if he's wolfing he's at a higher level than he was last GoC.

(Massive caveat: I'm going off of skimming but not reading closely the last 24-ish hours of posts.)

Okay I've actually finally cracked open Sabi's iso and damn they have some soft interactions with Rondo. (Also Marmot btw but that's neither here nor now.) Nothing yet noticeable on Sean or SVS but I'm only partway through.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:44 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:24 pm master radishes was also a wagon earlier and now it has fully disappeared.
We can work together to bring it back?
I dunno. I have no idea how you play as wolf.

Me neither.

Dizzy trying to vote everyone in the game in one EoD.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:37 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:35 pmI want to go down hitting an actual mafia so this looks like a good case

[VOTE: Sig ] aubergine
Oh no

I usually make rubbish cases. Source: MU champs finals

It's okay, I usually shield a wolf in the towncore. Source: ibid.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:36 pm Golden, Kate and Scotty are the only players I didn't mention afair and I don't know what to say about them. I am pretty on the fence about all of them.

Clearly an inherent bias against OG Syndicate crew.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:23 pm I see Sloonei being around. Should I be worried they are just lurking or do they lurk like this every game?
I think it just shows people hanging out even if their browser is closed or whatever. I also am pretty sure we should not make reads based on it.

Yeah I keep a tab open all the time to keep my place.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:24 pm master radishes was also a wagon earlier and now it has fully disappeared.

We can work together to bring it back?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:21 pm @Master Radishes you pulled up at the part where you're supposed to arrive at a conclusion

I'm deliberately ignoring Rondo/your case right now for percolation reasons.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:17 pm Alison and Mac might be wolves together and in that case we're pretty screwed.
Christ on a bike

I mean surely that screams Creature is town if anything does.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:19 pm 112 kinda disappeared but meh 112 could be just town LHF.

112 hasn't made enough posts yet to truly determine her alignment tbh.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:18 pm I thought town!Seanzie would care a lot more about being wagoned as a town strongman vig.

Do you have experience with Seanzie in both metas? I'm sort of realising I don't but also that this doesn't feel like the one wolf!Seanzie I remember.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:17 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:25 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:20 pm Friends, I adore your spirit but as with all things the only true path to victory is with love, not hate. We must suppress our hunger for chaos and replace it with a warm embrace. It is time to set aside our differences, to be tolerant and approach one another with care and concern for we are all united as one by this wonderful game and should celebrate our unity by playing firm, but fair, and important mindful of causing pain to your fellow mafia player.

See, this is a wolfy pop-in, and the kind of thing I'd expect from 112 trying to enter the game w/ limited time IRL.

Excellent VK candidate IMO
you're making no sense so an additional read i'll give (not like i haven't shared other reads before you requested i share some so idk what your point is with these posts) is that you're wolfing
Push my wagon.

This is twice now you've called me a wolf, show us you truly belief that

112 called me a wolf earlier too. We can console each other.

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