The Syndicate

Also: there is pretty much no such thing as 'balance' in a role madness game. They are, by definition, swingy.

So like...you can criticise individual mechanics if you want, but you can do that with pretty much every big setup as well. IMO as long as at the end of the day the overall game gave all teams a fair shot, then the game was balanced. This one literally came down to three factions in the final three. You can't get much closer than that.

I see all above discussion and here's my counterargument:

GoC is meant to celebrate the previous year's games, and it's meant to be fun and competitive.. This one did all of that. The roles and events creatively pulled form 2023's list of games, none of the mechanics were broken or bastard, and there was a lot of good team and individual play from the players. It was fun, it was competitive, it came down to the wire, there was no toxicity or unpleasantness, and the hosts were communicative and immaculate in their preparation, organisation and running of the whole event.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I'm not staying up to watch myself die.

As far as a legacy goes:

-We're trying to use mechanics to narrow the PoE and we don't even know the mechanics. This is bad.
-We're focusing on vote counts and partner associations when a wolf only had one single partner for a pivotal part of the game when everyone was jostling for position. This means conventional reads are invalid because the usual dynamics (splitting packmates onto different wagons, where one places their mates in their readslists, etc) don't exist. (Side note: I actually hate small games (like 9p) more than multiball for this reason.) This is also bad.

Keep it simple tomorrow.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Good night and good luck.

Look, in theory (a very questionable theory) we should just shoot into the East and have a 50% chance of hitting correctly.

But if we hit a town (and I can't help but feel we will) then the survivors need to abandon the idea of wolves only being there.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:01 pm So I just did a quick ISO of MR and I don’t like what I see.

They mention the members of Arbitr a lot , he always seems to have some level or suspicion of Falcon and lemon, even voting for them multiple times yet anytime another wagon seemed viable he jumped and always seemed to cast shadow of doubts on those two wagons. Overall there’s definitely some flip flopping there.

He barely mentioned Rico and when he did it was mainly positive.

You flip this with the other mafia team that’s flipped and his views all seemed to have been much more concrete with them suggesting TMI with Red Mafia and not landlords

Oh no I flip flopped which no civ ever does

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm I'm going rogue and listlessly isoing outside the 'Core Four'.

Delta's iso is just so...empty.
I have a feeling you’ll say the same about mine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:42 pm What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up
I don't believe she'd accidentally shoot her partner, for sure
I mean, I was in a game once where my partner purposely vigged me and then slanked until endgame off the towncred and the players rioted and faulted the host for letting her shoot me
But that's not exactly a normal mafia play, and in that previous game, I was getting wagoned so it was justified since I would've died anyway

A wolf vigging their partner and riding the cred to victory?

Wonder if @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME finds that concept familiar...

I'm going rogue and listlessly isoing outside the 'Core Four'.

Delta's iso is just so...empty.

I didn't care at first, checked later and most were gone, and chose the Devil because it sounds badass.

Has everyone picked a Tarot card by this point?

I suppose it's also ridiculous to feel so doomer when it's presumably 1 v 1 v 7.

But there are multiple deaths pretty much every round, and I suspect it will happen again here, so those numbers could drop quickly.

Like this is somewhat skewed by where I've placed attention, but if I had to make a readslist without considering East/West I think all 5 of the Westers would be in my bottom 5.

Which is ridiculous.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:15 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.
SO, if we expand the PoE, who and why?

Delta I kinda get.

Sig I still think is town in spite of certain thread entrances made today.

Epi based on Falc/DM treatment I had an eye raised for but nothing more as this does feel like town Epi.

I'll even toss Leetic in there as Leetic's vote on me following what looks like busywork came off as really off to me (I acknowlege that there's a large bit of omgussy bias in here, but after several unexplained suspicions of me, I think my omgussy bias is at least not worth throwing away immediately.)

I'd probably go Delta first, having not really looked back into any of them recently. He's kind of here but not really pushing much, promising to do things but then not really following through.

Sig I remember thinking had possible associations with falcon, but don't quiz me because that was ages ago that I thought that.

TSP doing TSP things could really go either way.

Leetic is working hard but I think they're the archetype to do that as a wolf trying to solo it? Like most would get demoralised, but a rare few step up their game. And they seem much less abrasive than I expect from my very limited meta knowledge.

Epi seems fine on the surface but the Falcon defence could definitely be a thing. I dunno.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:11 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm Why would I need to preface any statement? Am I not allowed to think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and still post my thoughts anyway?
You are allowed and I'd encourage it, but my question is if you think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' why not say it before hand?

if you are a W, you just get a chance at someone not thinking 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and only need to post after if you do get heat for it. 'Why attract attention to myself' kinda thinking.

You say 'why not say it before hand' like it's some sort of 'gotcha' and I think it's just a style difference or soemthing. I just don't see why I'd need to say it?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:11 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm The wagon was a whole three (3) votes. You really think that can't be three town?

And anyway, there are two mafia teams, remember? Two of the mafia wouldn't have known or cared if Lime was on the other team and wouldn't care about positioning in the same way. Lime's one possible teammate wouldn't be able to singlehandedly bolster a counterwagon to save their mate.
Three CAN be town, but those three are including Alison. When it becomes four (including vote recipient) and EVERY other off wagon vote is town it just becomes less likely, ESPECIALLY when a wolf flip occurs.

But, again, we're talking about a wolf team of two, since the other wolf team won't care or worry about the same voting dynamics. Lime was going down - their one single partner is probably more likely to bus and hope for some credit rather than risk being seen as trying to save their partner.

These just feel like weak reasons to find me suspicious, and I'm not saying that makes you scummy because actually if you're town you would be scrounging for reasons to paint me scummy. But you seem to have a lot of conviction it's me for reasoning like this and the reasoning isn't solid imo.

What would I hate more:

voting in the East and losing because we followed an unsubstantiated belief about mech despite my misgivings

or

voting in the West and losing because obviously it was evenly split wolf teams and I just haaad to go renegade

Like the four of us can't even find a consensus amongst ourselves. This is silly.

What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:41 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.
I think we have abit of time before we really need to ask this question.

Unless we think there was 5/5 or 4/5 but that seems skewed given the player count and multiple 3ps.
This is the kind of take that gets me in trouble but it really feels like we're saying "hey, don't look at me or my thread anymore." When that is still just the correct thing to do numbers wise.

Had we kept to the correct assumed numbers in severance we would've hit W Rondo.
Yes I knew that's how my post would be read and I posted it anyway.
and like, I think I've stated all the things that ping me about your slot so far so I keep pushing myself in circles going deeper into my bias.

But like, why didn't you preface your statement with this if you knew it already? Were we hoping it wouldn't be brought up and waited to see?

Why would I need to preface any statement? Am I not allowed to think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and still post my thoughts anyway?

I get you think it's me, but this is pretty confbiasy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:49 pm AND since I'm kinda just brain vomitting, I do keep asking myself 'what if the Alison cw was pure' and I keep getting back to 'it wasn't'

The wagon was a whole three (3) votes. You really think that can't be three town?

And anyway, there are two mafia teams, remember? Two of the mafia wouldn't have known or cared if Lime was on the other team and wouldn't care about positioning in the same way. Lime's one possible teammate wouldn't be able to singlehandedly bolster a counterwagon to save their mate.

I don't think this is the smoking gun you think it is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

I mean you're not interacting with me either. And regardless, so what? I don't tend to care about interacting with someone I suspect because it's not really their opinion I'm interested in (beyond clarification of intentions and such) - it's other peoples' opinions I care about.

I don't even really suspect you that deeply. I just think if we're intent on going 'East' then nutella comes across better off and I haven't made up my mind on Windy yet.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I feel bad voting for MR, he's such a good bloke.

Good night.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:12 pm N0 interactions:

<snip>

Conclusion: This was a big waste of time.

Probably could've predicted that. I'd glanced at a couple myself and got nothing.

I volunteer to go first so that I don't have the responsibility of solving and yet my legacy will be 66% correct.

Basically I don't think we actually do have the numbers to run it out, and I feel sorry for the last wolves if that's the case because they're trapped in a tight PoE artificially.

But if that's what we're doing then so be it.

Also multiple kills a Night will mess with things.

I'm not counting Davos. If we lose to a sockpuppet that doesn't even post I don't care.

So that's 2 of the 4 Easterners saying to do it, which means the scum must be me and nutella.

Except I know that's impossible, so at least one of you is backing yourself into a corner, or the premise is wrong.

Hopefully it's just the former and the town of TSP, Delta, and Sig who are paying close attention to the game are going to figure it all out.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:47 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.
Unless we somehow flip an extra 3p on our side of the thread, I wouldn't be pressed to consider that the mafia count is skewed.
I mean if we want to bank the game on a PoE of 4, then let's kill us all off one at a time. Hard to predict how the numbers will work out, but if you're that confident then it should be fine.
That's exactly what I'm suggesting, yeah. Kill off our side of the game and probably all the wolves are dead and town wins.
This is the way

Yep, these decisions based on a mech we don't understand never turn out badly for town.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Let's go then

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:43 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Like maybe wolf teams could choose how to split and at least one thought about stacking one side.
That would make for a horrible game. Imagine if one thread had ended up with all 8 wolves.

It'd be funny, yeah.

But if this were the scenario I imagine the choice would be 'minimum 1, otherwise your choice of split'.

Someone had to say the possibility out loud. May as well be me, since I'm already wolfy in your eyes.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:41 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.
I think we have abit of time before we really need to ask this question.

Unless we think there was 5/5 or 4/5 but that seems skewed given the player count and multiple 3ps.
This is the kind of take that gets me in trouble but it really feels like we're saying "hey, don't look at me or my thread anymore." When that is still just the correct thing to do numbers wise.

Had we kept to the correct assumed numbers in severance we would've hit W Rondo.

Yes I knew that's how my post would be read and I posted it anyway.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.
Unless we somehow flip an extra 3p on our side of the thread, I wouldn't be pressed to consider that the mafia count is skewed.

I mean if we want to bank the game on a PoE of 4, then let's kill us all off one at a time. Hard to predict how the numbers will work out, but if you're that confident then it should be fine.

Like maybe wolf teams could choose how to split and at least one thought about stacking one side.

Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:32 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:27 pm Nutella feels town. I don't have any good reason to say this definitively, she just feels it. That's not good enough for this stage of the game but it's the thought that is at the forefront of my mind.
Ok
I'm pretty sure there ARE solid reasons to definitely say she's towny, but maybe that's just me
I'm pretty sure Nook hard disagree'd with this take based on legacy.

I should review and see if it's valid, but the Nook legacy seems strong, especially as they were just correct on Lemon for 2 cycles earlier.

Lots of us were iffy on Lemon.

Didn't Nanook also scumread Dizzy?

Legacies aren't worth much tbh. It's not like mafia killed him for what he was saying.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:31 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:02 pm imo it would just be weird for Nutella to use the logic that Brad must've included a partner in his townlist as an argument for voting me if she's Brad's partner, or a wolf at all, because it would automatically single her out as soon as I flip town

Isnt that just an unnecessary spotlight?
Any thoughts on this? ^

Cause this is what I was trying to say last night, albeit kind of incoherently
It would be weird for Nutella to use an argument against me that could easily be turned against her, assuming I flip first.

Eh. Wolves will say things. Nutella's not afraid to say a thing and then later flip around completely and say another thing.

Also I don't really care how you form your reads, because I need to figure this out myself.

I don't like how easily she townread me either if I'm honest. In our previous games she pokes and prods me pretty hard.

But then again I kind of townread her early this game myself and allowed myself to just accept that read instead of making a tinfoil hat. Maybe we're just at that stage of our mafia relationship.

I'm having an existential crisis about nutella's alignment right now.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:27 pm Nutella feels town. I don't have any good reason to say this definitively, she just feels it. That's not good enough for this stage of the game but it's the thought that is at the forefront of my mind.
Ok
I'm pretty sure there ARE solid reasons to definitely say she's towny, but maybe that's just me

Like associations with flipped scum? Eh. Yeah. Maybe. But more so I see things I consider 'likely not w/w' and if we raise the bar I don't see anything I feel definitively precludes her from being a wolf just based on that.

No I'm not citing my sources, I already closed the iso.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:27 pm Nutella feels town. I don't have any good reason to say this definitively, she just feels it. That's not good enough for this stage of the game but it's the thought that is at the forefront of my mind.

But then again fucking multiball.

I don't know.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:47 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:40 pm And I don't really feel like Nutella has been coasting? She's been fairly active in giving her thoughts this whole game, and that's mainly why I townread her.
Going back to this, I'm outposting her lmao. Not only should that probably townclear me, it definitely means she's coasting.
Have you seen her wolfgame before?
Just while I'm ruminating on nutella now, I don't really find her posts necessarily scummy or anything. Like I'm browsing it again and the way she discusses unfolding events just feels organic. And there are at least arguments against her being associated with each wolf team. Nothing I'm accepting 100%, because we need to raise the bar here. But fine.

But she does feel coasty to me, albeit meta changes over time and all that.
You mean you think she would be doing more, as town?

I mean more so her presence level, like on a macro level. As town I remember her digging in and pushing everywhere and anywhere. She was always a thread driver. Here she kind of began a bit like that, but by this point has become a passenger, albeit one who's had some good takes.

Nutella feels town. I don't have any good reason to say this definitively, she just feels it. That's not good enough for this stage of the game but it's the thought that is at the forefront of my mind.

Solving is hard. I prefer it when others do the work for me.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:47 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:40 pm And I don't really feel like Nutella has been coasting? She's been fairly active in giving her thoughts this whole game, and that's mainly why I townread her.
Going back to this, I'm outposting her lmao. Not only should that probably townclear me, it definitely means she's coasting.
Have you seen her wolfgame before?

Just while I'm ruminating on nutella now, I don't really find her posts necessarily scummy or anything. Like I'm browsing it again and the way she discusses unfolding events just feels organic. And there are at least arguments against her being associated with each wolf team. Nothing I'm accepting 100%, because we need to raise the bar here. But fine.

But she does feel coasty to me, albeit meta changes over time and all that.

Great, now you've got me thinking about this game.

[VOTE: The Devil] aubergine

@Scotty
@S~V~S

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:05 pm [VOTE: the fool] aubergine

@Scotty @S~V~S

Fits.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:47 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:40 pm And I don't really feel like Nutella has been coasting? She's been fairly active in giving her thoughts this whole game, and that's mainly why I townread her.
Going back to this, I'm outposting her lmao. Not only should that probably townclear me, it definitely means she's coasting.
Have you seen her wolfgame before?

Yes, though I don't think I've played with her in a year or two in general.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:40 pm And I don't really feel like Nutella has been coasting? She's been fairly active in giving her thoughts this whole game, and that's mainly why I townread her.

Going back to this, I'm outposting her lmao. Not only should that probably townclear me, it definitely means she's coasting.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:43 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:39 pm Like I thought it was taken for granted I found Alison wolfy, so I didn't need to say that bit?

I liked both options and as best I recall the main impetus for the vote was therefore propping up a counterwagon because Brad was the likelier choice but keeping multiple options can sometimes lead to movement that becomes readable later.
Ok, that makes a bit more sense, I guess.

But then, you think the last two wolves are Wilgy and Nutella? Cause there's no one else left from our half of the thread.

Yeah I've literally just clocked in these last few minutes there are only four of us.

So you're on the table, congrats.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:37 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:20 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:19 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I've changed my mind. I think Wilgy is doing actual casework and Radishes is not.
I don't need to. Or want to. Or both.
Then let me ask you something. You said something yesterday about how, if you had to reconstruct your readlist and throw everyone in the PoE, I'd still be the player you trusted the most. Why is that? Does that mean you'd believe everyone else is a wolf over me? What makes you so certain I'm not paired with Brad?
Mainly I was thinking about how Brad nicknamed you 'Squidward' in his reads and then seemed uncertain what to do about you once you voted him or whatever it was. (Without checking he said like 'I just put you in my townreads, damn it Squidward' or something.) It doesn't feel partnered.

Nothing really stops you from being an Arbiter to be fair. I'm kind of just now consciously realising how few options are left so I suppose you're back on the table. But in general your WIM and general solving has been at a better level than most others', e.g. nutella who has kind of coasted since earning a consensus townread on D1.
He always calls me squidward lol, that's irrelevant.
But it's interesting that you don't feel like I'm partnered with Brad, and yet Nutella reached the exact opposite conclusion.
And I don't really feel like Nutella has been coasting? She's been fairly active in giving her thoughts this whole game, and that's mainly why I townread her.

Ah, well, I didn't know he always called you that. I had a formless thought that Brad is the type of wolf who wouldn't give a nickname to a partner only due to a sense of making their association stand out retrospectively. I guess I should stop using that as a reason then. (Though it was also the 'damn it' aspect which feels like him talking to a town he thought might've been won over but then he crossposted and he was wrong.)

Nutella has definitely been coasting lol. This is nothing like what I'd expect of her. It's a thought that's come up a few times in my head over the game but we've always been finding wolves so I've not worried about it. But my impression has very much been that she put in effort early on and has sat back since with some safe pushes. She's someone I know I need to actually backread but I'm putting it off because I'm only intending to devote so much of my life to this game and it just hasn't felt like a priority.

Like I thought it was taken for granted I found Alison wolfy, so I didn't need to say that bit?

I liked both options and as best I recall the main impetus for the vote was therefore propping up a counterwagon because Brad was the likelier choice but keeping multiple options can sometimes lead to movement that becomes readable later.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:34 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:25 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:19 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:17 pm Is there really much point in creating a counterwagon for the sake of having one, though?
I think so.
When you have a wolf who's pretty much dead to rights in the thread, why does there need to be a counterwagon? If you'd answered that you thought there should be a counterwagon on Alison because Alison was wolfy, at least that would be reasonable, because then you have a reason to vote somewhere that just happens to not be the main wagon. But despite pushing Alison for several days, as I had, you answered that you thought there should be a counterwagon.

I voted Alison because I genuinely thought she was pushing me in bad faith, and that her unmoving PoE following the Brad flip indicated w/w wagons. I originally voted her, but I thought both she and Brad were wolfy, and I did not move my vote to Brad to create a counterwagon. I moved it because I thought Brad was burying himself at that point, and frankly I probably would've moved back to Alison had she been the larger wagon, because I *didn't* want there to be close wagons. Maybe it's because I'm used to playing on a site that's majority-only (and plurality results in a no-lunch), but I didn't want the wagons to become tied. I think forcing wagons to exist for the sake of existing is pointless, if there's no good reasoning behind them.
I think counterwagons allow for opportunities regardless of the situation. Knowing as we do now that it's multiball and we likely only had 2 from any given scumteam in the thread, it was probably useless after all. But on principle I like dangling counterwagons because it can sometimes tempt wolves to manouvre around them, if the conditions are right.

I also thought Alison was wolfy. I can believe these two things simultaneously, can I not?
You can, but my point was that your gut reaction was to say that you voted Alison for the sake of creating a counterwagon, and not because you wolfread her. Had you said that you voted her because she was wolfy AND made a good counterwagon, I'd be considerably less critical.

Okay.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:20 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:19 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I've changed my mind. I think Wilgy is doing actual casework and Radishes is not.
I don't need to. Or want to. Or both.
Then let me ask you something. You said something yesterday about how, if you had to reconstruct your readlist and throw everyone in the PoE, I'd still be the player you trusted the most. Why is that? Does that mean you'd believe everyone else is a wolf over me? What makes you so certain I'm not paired with Brad?

Mainly I was thinking about how Brad nicknamed you 'Squidward' in his reads and then seemed uncertain what to do about you once you voted him or whatever it was. (Without checking he said like 'I just put you in my townreads, damn it Squidward' or something.) It doesn't feel partnered.

Nothing really stops you from being an Arbiter to be fair. I'm kind of just now consciously realising how few options are left so I suppose you're back on the table. But in general your WIM and general solving has been at a better level than most others', e.g. nutella who has kind of coasted since earning a consensus townread on D1.

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