The Syndicate

Technically, Radishes had no BPV and no poison left, so Jack could've just shot him during the night for a 1:1 win in the morning. This is NOT a kingmaker scenario, unless Jack somehow thinks juliets is not town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:12 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:02 pm Any game that comes down to one single altered choice swinging the victory to the other side is balanced in my books.
But seriously, I agree with this.

If all sides played reasonably well and it came down to lylo with 2 or less nontown players, that’s certified balanced imo.

Pawn and Quin were cop-confirmed, not sure how that would've played out if Pawn hadn't pushed it.
On the other hand, I'm not sure how it would've played out if I hadn't outed Michelle as cop. I think my lynch and flip probably would have done that either way?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:45 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:25 pm Alright who vigged me?? I’m out for blood.
jk apparently I was scummy so I’d rather take a vig kill than make someone waste a lynch.
Hides behind cover

I read Juliets posts on you and agreed with it so I decided that was a good shot otherwise would have tryied to lynch you the next day. (I have yet to shot a wolf as a vig and now have 5 shots taken)
Oh no! I was so wrong about him but oh well.
It happens nothing to do now but thing back on it all.
I still thought I was gonna be lynched very soon so just wanted to use the shots instead of lose them

Shooting counterwagons was a solid choice in both cases, and helped advance the game state for town.
You've been a solid player and an asset to town.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:28 pm I don't even want to see how you guys planned that out in scum chat. It would hurt my feelings. Well, maybe not.

Benson's little game D2 helped me see who was a threat and who wasn't, but other than that, there wasn't much planning that went into it as we did not have day chat. [mention]vanity.[/mention]'s box of 5 suspects was very dangerous as it had both me and Long Con in it, and I had to open that POE immediately to ensure our survival! Spiny/Boo wasn't originally in that POE!

I felt you were the vigilante because of your TSP ISO on D1 and the TSP nightkill that followed, and the serious work that went into collecting the voting records that pointed at an important night action decision. You hid your actual role very well!

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:26 pm @Elephant you pocketed me SOOOO well.

I was sure you were the cop when you spewed me town.

Well, I was sure you were the vig when I did that, so...

It's been a blast playing with you, and you have made me feel very welcome here!

If you fail to achieve inception, one of the players you selected at random will be poisoned.

[mention]Evenstar[/mention]
-- lynches the 3p
-- achieves Inception
-- dies to poison anyway
That was a rand that didn't go well (who were the other players?).

[mention]juliets[/mention] Spec Chat loves you!

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Super well played, thanks for bringing it home!

The first four phases had 10 lynches at the various levels. Dragomir was the ONLY scum lynch! The scum team WON 9 LYNChES at odds of initially 1 in 5 , and D5-D12 my team won 4 mislynches (and a modkill) out of 8 Lynches. Mechanically, Jack could have used the global block tonight, blocking Master Radishes from using poison, and killing him for an outright Inception Team Win!
In total, we won 13 Mislynches (and a modkill) over 18 lynches, which is OVER TWO MISLYNCHES per team member; this should not have been a close call at all, and D5 was VERY disappointing for us because 1 extra kill as prize was not a reward that feels commensurate with the effort and achievement that those 9 mislynches represented, and the information it gave town (at least 1 scum team member at every level) that, had everyone been onboard with [mention]sprityo[/mention] , would have put each of us in a POE of 3 or worse.

I very much enjoyed being the Elephant! Thanks to everyone who played, and especially my team, [mention]Dragomir[/mention] (who ran with my suggestion of doubling down on the sleaze), [mention]Evenstar[/mention] (thanks for the late night strategy discussion that wouldn't end), [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] (who is an amazing deepwolf and had to take me vig-killing him in MU Throne Mash because I had observed his scum game up close here and identified/suspected it there), [mention]Long Con[/mention] (who supported my play in the "coffee" group that lynched so many town with NO connectives left behind), and [mention]MacDougall[/mention] (who deserves all the baguettes

)!

Out of the D2-D4 group, I also want to shout out to [mention]nutella[/mention] , [mention]Hyena[/mention], [mention]Creature[/mention] and especially [mention]juliets[/mention] , whose friendliness really warmed me, but had to be met with deception

I have randed scum or 3p in EVERY single off-site game I have been invited to (5 different sites so far), and it is NOT fun to meet new people and deceive them!!

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[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
won't matter now

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:56 pm Note that Elephant is still one of the voters on himself. He could do a last-minute switch.

yeah, off a 6:3

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:50 pm Elephant, I'm sorry.

That's ok.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:49 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:47 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:46 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
Pick another wagon and I'll join you?
Long Con? Or Pawn?

Long Con

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:46 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

Pick another wagon and I'll join you?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:38 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:35 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:34 pm How 'bout CFDing Juliets?
i really hated her long con vote.
Exactly what pinged me.
Please cfd me.
Is this like that movie where the plants made everyone commit suicide?
lol! I'm tired. If I'm cfd'd it will be better for town than Elephant or Hyena going down.

Juliets, whom should we lynch today?

2 votes are missing

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:33 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
Not letting you guys vote Elephant.

This is useless.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:31 pm hyena and jack are scum voting pawn, dom and epi are wrongtown
Why did Hyena's suspicion level go up? I thought he was not that suspected.

Because nobody on his wagon has actually played as long with him this game as we have.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:30 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:25 pm Elephant self voting means a TMI on Hyena as better scum
yeah this is what I thought
This is a fucked up thing to see,. Why is he self-voting? I mean, why did he say? Frustration?

I am self-voting because they're lynching Hyena, and Hyena is town and a better player than I am
but I'll go to Pawn if that makes a difference, iaafr is a doublevoter, so currently it doesn't

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:27 pm
Spoiler: show

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:07 pm gth reads based on mac's exercise:

Benson: I've only known Benson for a day and a half, but if anything ever happened to him I would kill everyone in this game and then myself. Similar to TSP in having things to say about just about everything, but there's dedication to these posts TSP doesn't have. Town.

Dragomir: Early juliets callout set off alarm bells. Didn't really sound like a test even though that's how he played it. There's fluff, but his meaty posts are targeted in just about every direction which isn't a bad thing. Kinda don't think he'd go so overboard with that Evenstar stuff is he was bad (to stay out of the spotlight if anything) Town.

Lady L (thank you umineko references): The 4 person shtick is...confusing? I won't linger on it. I do hope there's not actually 4 people behind the role though. Somewhat insightful up until the nutella vote which isn't explained until later on. Though she is proactive in getting the lynch going (good), Lady has her heels in the ground when talking about it with other people which sucks a bit. Town.

Rej: The Michelle callout is a good look (questioning those who blindly accept townreads). It's a good point against her, though if I can make time I'd give her a read too before I make any judgments. Not a whole lot to work with otherwise. Town.

TSP: Fluff. If scum, probably buddying the elephant. He's got a lot of posts yet so many of them seem to be tiptoeing around the events of the thread without dedicating himself to anything. Scum.
Was right about Benson. Wrong on Drago who flipped SCUM. Read on LLD is shallow. Wrong on TSP. I don't even remember who Rej is.

Rej subbed out, Colin came in.

Host has majority in the poll. It's going to be one of these lynches again.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:19 pm [VOTE: hyena] aubergine

I'm done for the day. Adios.

There goes the 112 wagon.
[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
Day 1 reprise.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:17 pm Elephant what's your read on Pawn? Town af I assume?

Pawn is a stranger to me. i don't remember him being here this day, and he wasn't in our group. Will self-preserve on him if the wagon looks halfway decent.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:10 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:08 pm Michelle's tunnel is so cartoonish that I keep doubting it's real
Did Michelle ever express an opinion on TLib? She didn't want to on D1 and I thought it was super scummy.

She said she townread him opff his posts, it was a short paragraph with no quotes, I have no idea if she actually looked at anything.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:06 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:04 pm Elephant is self voting to can vote elsewhere at Eod
I promise you, if it's me or Hyena, I'll keep my vote on myself, because Hyena is the better player.
No, no, no, you have to stay!

Well, but who gets lynched, then?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:07 pm mendel does respect hyena

on the other hand I have not seen a single post from hyena making me think he's trying to solve the game

Lynch him like wc2 then.

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:04 pm Elephant is self voting to can vote elsewhere at Eod

I promise you, if it's me or Hyena, I'll keep my vote on myself, because Hyena is the better player.

NOBODY from our group is voting Hyena
that should give you all pause

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:59 pm We lynchen hyena now get on our level

I can tell you right now that's going to be the fourth town flip in a row.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:50 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:50 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:43 pm ok I'll just sheep Michelle she is the most focused and fiery and resolving elephant probably helps the gamestate

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
helping resolve the game state
;-;
Honestly, it will. I'll be elated elsewhere. I'm following down my scum read today as before, and that was frustrating enough, to sit through these lynches, and then finally vanity is town again, and here I am again scumreading Michelle who is other poeple's top town, what am I even doing in this game? 20 players is too many to keep track of, I skipped almost 24 hours and have been forking here fo r another 7 hours today, I think? and I'm the lead wagon, I keep getting pushed, just lynch me, it'll narrow down the POE unless they decide to lynch you and Juliets before getting to nutella, Long Con, and TL. I'm fucking done with this and should probably take a break, but when I do, EoD happens without me.

EBWOP vanity flipped TOWN

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:54 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:51 pm kinda buying the elephant frustration again xd
don't fall for his Ate, his vote on poll didn't change. It's all for show.

Thanks for the reminder.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:52 pm Basically Iaafr voted everyone.

In spec chat, he scumreads everyone at least once. What did you expect?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:50 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:50 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:43 pm ok I'll just sheep Michelle she is the most focused and fiery and resolving elephant probably helps the gamestate

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
helping resolve the game state
;-;

Honestly, it will. I'll be elated elsewhere. I'm following down my scum read today as before, and that was frustrating enough, to sit through these lynches, and then finally vanity is scum again, and here I am again scumreading Michelle who is other poeple's top town, what am I even doing in this game? 20 players is too many to keep track of, I skipped almost 24 hours and have been forking here fo r another 7 hours today, I think? and I'm the lead wagon, I keep getting pushed, just lynch me, it'll narrow down the POE unless they decide to lynch you and Juliets before getting to nutella, Long Con, and TL. I'm fucking done with this and should probably take a break, but when I do, EoD happens without me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:43 pm ok I'll just sheep Michelle she is the most focused and fiery and resolving elephant probably helps the gamestate

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
helping resolve the game state

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:38 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:34 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:25 pm Dom, yes, I put the idea of SRing you there and he went immediatly for it and made associative reads in other post you quoted and i commented above.
Elephant doesn't care who is the lynch today as long is a mislynch
Michelle, i thought you had a reason for that agenda-y tunnel on me, and a reason for scumreading Dom, but you say you don't. You are telling me here that you can't be trusted. I don't like that at all.
The reason are my reads. My read on you was locked today by our interaction while my read on him changed by his behaviour.
I am a villager with changing reads.
Cogito, ergo sum.

Ok then.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:36 pm @112, @Elephant, @Lady LambdaDelta @Quin care to express an opinion on this four way tie we got here?

There is no 4-way tie. Keep going like this, and in a few days you'll have run down the Level 1 POE. Hopefully.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:36 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:34 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:25 pm Dom, yes, I put the idea of SRing you there and he went immediatly for it and made associative reads in other post you quoted and i commented above.
Elephant doesn't care who is the lynch today as long is a mislynch
Michelle, i thought you had a reason for that agenda-y tunnel on me, and a reason for scumreading Dom, but you say you don't. You are telling me here that you can't be trusted. I don't like that at all.
I don't like this post so I'm back to thinking I might vote elephant

Yeah, go do that, I'm getting done with this game.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:31 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:30 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:29 pm yes I have desire to slank vote there's usually a wolf in the slanky people and it's long con or quin
we have been doing nothing but slank voting since D2

does this seem like a good policy
I haven't actually been voting for an actual Lynch since d2 so this day is my d2

You are one of the slank people?
##vote iaafr

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:28 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:26 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:15 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:06 pm
Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:41 pm
Has Jack defended here?
With your weird voting rules, he'd have to know that Radishes was neither lynched nor nightkilled, then he'd have assumed that the other players went to a deeper dream level. And that being a 3-player dream, something had to happen.
Players jump to conclusions. If you lynch for that, lynch MR for his "gain some advantage" post, lynch TLib for "when I think split, I think two", lynch those on my level who predicted you would not see a nova flip on the above level. It's just not a lot if you take it by itself.

The weird thing is Jack predicting that MR gets lynched at that upper level. This was never clear until Evenstar switched her vote; maybe Sprityo could have predicted it if they anticipated Evenstar changing, which seems like a super big chance for scum to take when they could just have voted with Radishes. So that prediction is just a guess and nothing more"
he knew the exact conversation they were having.... that strikes me as WAY TMI.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm If Michelle is town, Dom is 100% a wolf, pending Michelle's reaction.
This is bunk.
Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:54 am well im back to places where people suspect dom with me

in the layer with me/jack/epi/dom, jack/epi seemed convinced that dom was town but dom kept sussing jack in a way i felt was scummy but apparently didnt ping jack?
Legit Dom always scumreads me. It’s like being pinged by my Fitbit being on my wrist.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:18 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:45 am This is from the Day 4 thread.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:23 am

I assume Radishes gets lynched today back to us. If not, idk what happens if scum wins the “final three.”

Surely they don’t just win cause why are we here if that’s the case?

They might all three come back to us regardless of their lynch.

So Radish should come back to us in a lot of possible worlds and we can and should lynch him tomorrow regardless of who we lynch today.
Jack has AMAZING knowledge of a thread he's not a part of, huh?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:00 am[VOTE: jack] aubergine
Dom, are you seriously arguing I have tmi for theorizing a thing would happen that DIDN’T happen?
....you said they were discussing radishes all day... and wasn't that precisely what they discussed all day? Wasn't he the main event of the lynch and sprityo withheld his vote to fuck with him?

Like.. that's pretty much exactly what you predicted.

googled it and I agree. I'd say is a bad logic and shows how easy he took the idea of you being scum after I said few times you may be scum.
He started to change reads on you step by step, gradually, and finished with this. Very convenient for scum. Too bad, meanwhile i started to think I was wrong about you.
Not to mention all day he posted things to shade me, in specifically scum behaviour.
This is wrong. I reached a conclusion on you, and that changed my read on Dom directly. But you don't commit to your Dom read like you commit to mine, so I'm back to thinking you can be scum instead of redirected town.
you are voting me since long ago, so if you considered me town until now your vote is scumclaim

Get your facts straight, I unvoted you and voted Dom, and then I voted Radishes when you failed to confirm, and now i am back to voting you.

Spoiler: show

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:25 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:06 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:41 pm
Has Jack defended here?
With your weird voting rules, he'd have to know that Radishes was neither lynched nor nightkilled, then he'd have assumed that the other players went to a deeper dream level. And that being a 3-player dream, something had to happen.
Players jump to conclusions. If you lynch for that, lynch MR for his "gain some advantage" post, lynch TLib for "when I think split, I think two", lynch those on my level who predicted you would not see a nova flip on the above level. It's just not a lot if you take it by itself.

The weird thing is Jack predicting that MR gets lynched at that upper level. This was never clear until Evenstar switched her vote; maybe Sprityo could have predicted it if they anticipated Evenstar changing, which seems like a super big chance for scum to take when they could just have voted with Radishes. So that prediction is just a guess and nothing more"
he knew the exact conversation they were having.... that strikes me as WAY TMI.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm If Michelle is town, Dom is 100% a wolf, pending Michelle's reaction.
This is bunk.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:54 am well im back to places where people suspect dom with me

in the layer with me/jack/epi/dom, jack/epi seemed convinced that dom was town but dom kept sussing jack in a way i felt was scummy but apparently didnt ping jack?
Legit Dom always scumreads me. It’s like being pinged by my Fitbit being on my wrist.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:18 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:45 am This is from the Day 4 thread.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:23 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:18 am

....why do you know radishes will be with "us"

This is so freaking weird that you have been assuming so much knowledge about the game. What do you know, why do you know it, and how do you know it?
I assume Radishes gets lynched today back to us. If not, idk what happens if scum wins the “final three.”

Surely they don’t just win cause why are we here if that’s the case?

They might all three come back to us regardless of their lynch.

So Radish should come back to us in a lot of possible worlds and we can and should lynch him tomorrow regardless of who we lynch today.
Jack has AMAZING knowledge of a thread he's not a part of, huh?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:00 am[VOTE: jack] aubergine
Dom, are you seriously arguing I have tmi for theorizing a thing would happen that DIDN’T happen?
....you said they were discussing radishes all day... and wasn't that precisely what they discussed all day? Wasn't he the main event of the lynch and sprityo withheld his vote to fuck with him?

Like.. that's pretty much exactly what you predicted.
I said Radishes should get lynched of the three and was probably the scum of the three.

I don’t think I said anything about him being most discussed.
"I assume radishes gets lynched"
Why?

I commented to you on this before. Look at the time stamps. The F3 did not know Radishes would be lynched, because Evenstar was voting Sprityo and Radishes was voting Evenstar at the time. There is no info that Jack could have too much off, it must have been just a guess.
Unless you have a theory of how the scum in that trio (who?) predicted exactly how that lynch would go hours before it happened.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:25 pm Dom, yes, I put the idea of SRing you there and he went immediatly for it and made associative reads in other post you quoted and i commented above.
Elephant doesn't care who is the lynch today as long is a mislynch

Michelle, i thought you had a reason for that agenda-y tunnel on me, and a reason for scumreading Dom, but you say you don't. You are telling me here that you can't be trusted. I don't like that at all.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:22 pm Michelle's tunneling elephant, kind of in the way elephants tunnel of vanity gave me pause on elephant

I'm inclined to vote people who aren't in tunnels rn.

You think I'm overthinking?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:19 pm Ask away.

Yeah, give me all your posts and also the context.

I wrote, "I wish I knew", because I don't even know enough to ask meaningful questions. Reading you off your ISO has to start with this day for me, others can read you off more than that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:15 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:06 pm
Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:41 pm
Has Jack defended here?
With your weird voting rules, he'd have to know that Radishes was neither lynched nor nightkilled, then he'd have assumed that the other players went to a deeper dream level. And that being a 3-player dream, something had to happen.
Players jump to conclusions. If you lynch for that, lynch MR for his "gain some advantage" post, lynch TLib for "when I think split, I think two", lynch those on my level who predicted you would not see a nova flip on the above level. It's just not a lot if you take it by itself.

The weird thing is Jack predicting that MR gets lynched at that upper level. This was never clear until Evenstar switched her vote; maybe Sprityo could have predicted it if they anticipated Evenstar changing, which seems like a super big chance for scum to take when they could just have voted with Radishes. So that prediction is just a guess and nothing more"
he knew the exact conversation they were having.... that strikes me as WAY TMI.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm If Michelle is town, Dom is 100% a wolf, pending Michelle's reaction.
This is bunk.
Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:54 am well im back to places where people suspect dom with me

in the layer with me/jack/epi/dom, jack/epi seemed convinced that dom was town but dom kept sussing jack in a way i felt was scummy but apparently didnt ping jack?
Legit Dom always scumreads me. It’s like being pinged by my Fitbit being on my wrist.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:18 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:45 am This is from the Day 4 thread.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:23 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:07 am I’m not certain there’s a wolf at all at this level. If there is, I’m not certain it’s Dom. Like I townread Epi for most of the game and then he told me my read on him was stupid.

What’s the disadvantage to lynching if there is no wolf?

We’re lynching Radishes tomorrow regardless.
....why do you know radishes will be with "us"

This is so freaking weird that you have been assuming so much knowledge about the game. What do you know, why do you know it, and how do you know it?
I assume Radishes gets lynched today back to us. If not, idk what happens if scum wins the “final three.”

Surely they don’t just win cause why are we here if that’s the case?

They might all three come back to us regardless of their lynch.

So Radish should come back to us in a lot of possible worlds and we can and should lynch him tomorrow regardless of who we lynch today.
Jack has AMAZING knowledge of a thread he's not a part of, huh?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:00 am[VOTE: jack] aubergine
Dom, are you seriously arguing I have tmi for theorizing a thing would happen that DIDN’T happen?
....you said they were discussing radishes all day... and wasn't that precisely what they discussed all day? Wasn't he the main event of the lynch and sprityo withheld his vote to fuck with him?

Like.. that's pretty much exactly what you predicted.

googled it and I agree. I'd say is a bad logic and shows how easy he took the idea of you being scum after I said few times you may be scum.
He started to change reads on you step by step, gradually, and finished with this. Very convenient for scum. Too bad, meanwhile i started to think I was wrong about you.
Not to mention all day he posted things to shade me, in specifically scum behaviour.

This is wrong. I reached a conclusion on you, and that changed my read on Dom directly. But you don't commit to your Dom read like you commit to mine, so I'm back to thinking you can be scum instead of redirected town.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:06 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:41 pm
Has Jack defended here?
With your weird voting rules, he'd have to know that Radishes was neither lynched nor nightkilled, then he'd have assumed that the other players went to a deeper dream level. And that being a 3-player dream, something had to happen.
Players jump to conclusions. If you lynch for that, lynch MR for his "gain some advantage" post, lynch TLib for "when I think split, I think two", lynch those on my level who predicted you would not see a nova flip on the above level. It's just not a lot if you take it by itself.

The weird thing is Jack predicting that MR gets lynched at that upper level. This was never clear until Evenstar switched her vote; maybe Sprityo could have predicted it if they anticipated Evenstar changing, which seems like a super big chance for scum to take when they could just have voted with Radishes. So that prediction is just a guess and nothing more"
he knew the exact conversation they were having.... that strikes me as WAY TMI.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:04 pm If Michelle is town, Dom is 100% a wolf, pending Michelle's reaction.
This is bunk.

I don't see "this exact conversation" from the post I quoted, what am i missing?

The Michelle thing is sorted, Michelle didn't confirm.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:43 pm my question to you Elephant is why you knew to ask drago to roleplay in d1? you wouldn't have had any reason to know the scum had movie characters at that point unless you were one so how would you know that was a trap at that point

I knew what I had wasn't a character. What he wrote looked wrong. He wrote this:

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

The idea that Dragomir could use "good guy" to refer to a subconscious aspect seemed wrong, it pinged me. I didn't know if Dragomir was himself trying to trap juliets (she does mention "loneliness" though), and what he wrote was a bit ambigupous, so I was just beating about the bush, but he never gave me a reaction like Michelle did.

Sorry, I should have spoilered that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:41 pm Civilians

Dom - I would wager money Dom is a civilian.

Evenstar - For reasons.

Master Radishes - As I've alluded to, the Root and I had an exchange Day 2 that helped us better understand each other, and right now I find myself largely agreeing with his positions. I like what I see, though I don't have the same confidence I do with Dom.

juliets - I was concerned that I could not put juliets in this list as effortlessly as I have been able to in the past, but I reviewed my notes and the progression toward voting for Dragomir looks natural.

Michelle - Most of what I've seen from Michelle exudes a sense of genuineness that is difficult to fake for most. I wish Michelle (as with pretty much everyone) would examine suspects within the context of Day 1, since that is the most valuable Day the civilians have in the books, but I'm viewing Michelle as a civilian for now.

iaafr - I have no prior experience with iaafr, so take this with a grain of salt. However, iaafr posts with reckless abandon. If iaafr is mafia, then he doesn't give a toss about strategy or how his interactions with his teammates look. I mentioned something to this effect in another thread, but if I were on iaafr's team, I'd be pulling my hair out and maybe saying bad words in BTSC.

nutella - Anyone from here can tell you that nutella has been a perpetual blind spot for me for years. I feel that I'm turning a corner on that front. Alternatively, nutella always seems to have my number. I think the last couple of times I've been bad, she called it early and often. Maybe that's a fluke. Maybe it's a small sample size. I know she's correct about me again here, and I don't believe she's faking that. My conclusion from my prior analysis still holds: " I saw nutella as a civilian throughout Day 1, and I don’t see anything here that changes my mind."

Elephant - I concede it's a small point in his favor, but it exists and gives me a good impression of Elephant. Perhaps I'm misreading it, but oh well. Elephant wouldn't make my top five suspects today anyway.

People I need to Sort

ColinIsCool

Hyena

JackofHearts2005

Long Con

MacDougall

Quin

TrustworthyLiberal

Mafia

112 - In looking back, I still feel Dragomir and 112 were teammates softly pushing against each other. You can read those interactions in this spoiled post.

Pawn Lelouch - Pawn has done nothing productive today. He has his vote on me and is not engaging me. I don't know why he's voting for me unless it's still because of what is perhaps the worst reasoning I have ever witnessed.

LadyLambaDelta - Day 2, all LLD did was shit on my analyses. I replied, "There is no civilian reason to discredit my effort without attempting to engage with it in some capacity. If you believe I am mafia, then you should be able to show how the content of my effort is compatible with that hypothesis rather than merely claim that the effort itself is compatible with your hypothesis."

sprityo - sprityo makes the list because a lot of what he's doing looks like busy work. I don't understand the compilations of noteworthy posts he's making- I'm not seeing any value added. Is there any analysis or commentary to go with those?

I took your 3 walls and made an overview; the alignment designations are mine, the "can remian a suspect" should be your "People I need to Sort" category in the above post, but I put them as "scum lean".

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112 mafia
I'm not going to waste words: 112 is a good candidate to be aligned with Dragomir, and I do not regret my Day 1 vote in the least.

Benson town
The overall interaction for Benson looks great. There are minor complaints I have. Let those be resolved Day 2, but if I had to guess, Benson is a civilian.

Creature scum lean
There are issues here. I see Creature as a compatible teammate. There isn't much interaction here, but what is here is questionable.

Elephant town lean
There aren’t really any other meaningful interactions with Dragomir, but I like this one to an extent that I’m almost (almost) willing to call Elephant a civilian and move on.

Evenstar town
I’m fine stopping here and calling Evenstar unaligned with Dragomir.

Hyena town lean
Overall, the positives strongly outweigh the negatives for Hyena. I can see him as a teammate trying to cause a ruckus at the end and save Dragomir, but I don’t.

iaafr zero
There are a few positives up in here for iaafr. However, there are certainly some things he’s going to have to answer for.

Jack zero
Aside from the Day 0 interaction, there isn’t really anything substantial to go on either way here. Jack voted 112, which is fine. Jack can remain a suspect, but he isn’t a strong one.

juliets town
I am comfortable at this point calling juliets not a teammate of Dragomir.

Lady lambdadelta scum lean
Lady LambaDelta can remain a suspect.

Long Con town lean
There are avenues for Long Con to be Dragomir’s teammate, but they are full of potholes and crackheads asking for five dollars. I don't want to go down that road.

MacDougall scum lean (incomplete)
Anyway, MacDougall voted for me, left his vote on me, and so he can go eat a bag of delicious iced caramel kremes.

Master Radishes scum lean
Master Radishes can remain a suspect.

Michelle scum lean
Michelle voted Hyena. There’s a couple of minor things in Michelle’s favor, sure, but not enough to rule her out. Michelle can remain a suspect.

Nanook scum lean
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME’s posts are teammate compatible. ... he can remain a suspect and warrants further scrutiny.

Novaseline scum lean
nova can remain a suspect.

nutella town
I saw nutella as a civilian throughout Day 1, and I don’t see anything here that changes my mind.

Pawn Lelouch zero
If I squint hard I could see a Dragomir teammate, but that last point resonates with me.

Quin scum lean
Quin can remain a suspect.

Rej scum lean
Rej can remain a suspect.

Spiny/Boo town
Due to the above, I think boo is not mafia.

Sprityo
sprityo can remain a suspect.

Tony zero
There is a mixed bag here. Some interactions warrant a raised eyebrow, but the biggest evidence in TSP’s favor is the little spat with Dragomir. It doesn’t look staged, so that’s nice.

Trsustworthy Liberal town lean
these posts give me a slightly favorable impression of TL.

vanity town lean
The evidence isn’t overwhelmingly strong, but it is sufficiently encouraging. I do not plan on pursuing a vanity. lynch today.

So, generally, your D1 reads did quite well: two of your town calls flipped town, and onyl two of your "teammate compatible" assessments (who should probably be in the "to be sorted" pile rather than scum leans?) flipped town as well. From a practical perspective, the problem with the wall was that it had too many null reads.

Town: Benson, Boo, Evenstar, juliets, nutella / Elephant, Hyena, vanity, Trustworthy Liberal
Mafia: 112

Compared with your present reads, you have now downgraded Hyena and Trustoworthy Liberal from town lean to zero, promoted Dom, iaafr, Master Radishes, and Michelle to town, and scumread Pawn Lelouch, Lady LambdaDelta, and Sprityo.

Could you please say a few words why you revised your opinion on Hyena, and why Mac remains unsorted?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:32 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm

How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.
was the forger an actual character in the movie?
Tom Hardy is described as a forger iirc. Ellen Page is described as an architect (as in “we need an architect cause our last one sucks). The others may or may not have had stated character classes.

https://inception.fandom.com/wiki/The_Team
Extractor, Point Man, Chemist, ...

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:32 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:11 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:00 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
Can you roleplay your character? Like, maybe post an avatar and a few lines of dialogue?
nah i saw the movie ages ago and I forgot almost everything so no RP from me about flavour.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
Dragomir was the Forger, an actual character in the movie. He refers to a character to be roleplayed, and that pinged me. You see, I'm not a character, I'm the subconscious aspect of elation. Every town player is the subconscious aspect of something and not a character. This question is a trap, and you just got caught.
was the forger an actual character in the movie?

Yes. He roleplayed the elder advisor , and was responsible for implanting the forged idea.
I did re-watch the movie after the game started.

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