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by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:07 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

pyxxy wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall
.......don't forget.......yourself.......
Well a trustfall and distrustfall is when you list the strongest reason to townread or scumread someone

And the idea is you get a better sense of the solve by seeing who you had to try the hardest to come up with reasons for

I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you, but I dont think i struggled to come up with reasons to trust anyone

So if i trustfalled myself it would just be because I know my role card lol
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:05 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:54 pm Trustfall
Camilla - voted two wolves early and didnt move off, tutuu and zenon had her in towncore, has had clout + personality to get the wagons off her partners if scum but hasnt really made an attempt to do so. No idea how she finds her way to a win if she forces a tdome with jack

Jack - his solves have seemed thoughtful even when i don't fully agree with them. Voted for wilgy and didnt shift off, and iirc questioned wilgy's assertion that it should be scotty/pyx yesterday before i did

Pyxxy - has been generally townie on play even through the gimmick, and both flipped wolves have seemed very interested in getting him exed

Roxy - has had flashes of really townie moments that seem difficult to fake. Refusal to go along with consensus seems genuinely paranoid, especially when the consensus is stuff like "lets kill falcon/rondo" that a scum would be happy to go along with
I didn't exactly vote for Porscha?

I just found her reaction to your vote bad but didn't manage to return in time to cast a vote.
Oh my bad. I had it in my mind you voted porscha
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:03 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
Replies: 2268
Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Distrustfall
Camilla - I'm not really sure if I buy some of her self defense today. Its true that tutuu and zenon townreading her counts for something but it feels iffy for her to frame it like she would never kill them even though she obviously would. It makes some sense for porscha to be demoralized d1 if her partners are an afk wilgy and afk camilla.

Jack - Same thing as camilla, porscha flopping over belly up makes sense if she had no active teammates to defend her (as prince j was afk). Preflipping wilgy felt weird, and he was much less paranoid of me than usual before the wilgy flip (i know there is an explanation, but still).

Pyxxy - Has self-admittedly coasted a bit. Seemed more interested in shading zenon and tutuu eod1 even when he was counterwagoning a maf. Has not really pushed either flipped wolf or brought any earth shattering thoughts to the thread.

Roxy - hasnt done much other than have good tone. Had a jack/camilla solve yesterday when everyone else caught wilgy.
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:54 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Trustfall
Camilla - voted two wolves early and didnt move off, tutuu and zenon had her in towncore, has had clout + personality to get the wagons off her partners if scum but hasnt really made an attempt to do so. No idea how she finds her way to a win if she forces a tdome with jack

Jack - his solves have seemed thoughtful even when i don't fully agree with them. Voted for wilgy and didnt shift off, and iirc questioned wilgy's assertion that it should be scotty/pyx yesterday before i did

Pyxxy - has been generally townie on play even through the gimmick, and both flipped wolves have seemed very interested in getting him exed

Roxy - has had flashes of really townie moments that seem difficult to fake. Refusal to go along with consensus seems genuinely paranoid, especially when the consensus is stuff like "lets kill falcon/rondo" that a scum would be happy to go along with
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
Replies: 2268
Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:39 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:38 pm Unfortunately I don't think I can.

The way I treat my PR reads is that I defend them if they're pushed and nothing else as if they're not in danger of being ML'd then there's no point to do so as you're just signaling to the wolves.

Since Roxy wasn't being under pressure then there was no point in bringing attention to her then.
Hows it supposed to be clear to us then, if you know full well you gave no indication

If you want to rely on your roxy pr read as a defense you have to give some evidence it wasnt made up on the spot
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:36 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Meh i think its fine to be like "flipped town had me as locktown in their legacy, even if they were killed for mech reasons theyre good players and you should listen to their reads"

Im more interested in this whole "it was clear i read roxy as doc yesterday"... afaict there is no evidence of this other than camilla not wagoning roxy (which could be for any reason)
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:33 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:26 pm PRs are never blatant.

Only time where I've seen a PR be this blatant was in that Thirteen Decades game when Alison was gimmicking as Ilya and was the obvious town investigative role d1.

And I killed her n1.
What gave it away? Was it the part where I said "I'M THE TOWN PR!!!!!!" and then added a bunch of emojis after it?
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:32 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:24 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm
Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm
Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.
Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?
But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.

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You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.
I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry :shrug2:
do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?
Yes? That's one of the main reasons I've been reluctant on PoE'ing Roxy.

Again Roxy's OMGUS-y attitude felt extremely PRish which is why I was mostly looking at Scotty/Wilgy/Pyxxy/Jack as the broader PoE after Falcon died.
I understand that is your stated reasoning for reading roxy as pr, im asking if you can prove you had this read on d4 or earlier, thus corroborating your claim that you would have killed roxy if mafia
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:20 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
Replies: 2268
Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 pm
Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.
Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?
But you just argued that all the nks were townreading you. More dishonesty.

Image

You thought Scotty was more likely the doc or would be harder to fool or you would rather argue “If I was a wolf, I’d have killed Roxy” and also deal with Roxy than deal with Scotty without getting to make that point. Or you thought Roxy was more misyeetable than Scotty.

Like…it’s not hard to imagine. You even said yourself it was about PR hunting at sod. Now it’s supposed to be about PR hunting…unless Roxy scumreads you? Nah nah.
I've been pretty clear that I've been reading Roxy as most likely doc.

If I were a wolf that I'd just kill her.

Unlike you I'm not this bad at PR hunting.

Sorry :shrug2:
do you have evidence that you read roxy as the doc before today?
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:13 pm In checking if Neon townread Camilla or not….why did the wolves kill Neon? She wasn’t after any of them. Too obviously the cop with a green check on Tutuu if you were looking for that kinda thing I guess?
tutuu said neon was obvious cop even to her (who wasn't hunting for PR) so probs that's why

I wasn't really paying attention to PR stuff and kinda played the game mountainous so i just accepted it if thats what she saw
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:12 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

I think I made it clear yesterDay that I was much more suspicious of roxy than scotty so if roxy and scotty are both town then there is some incentive for any wolf to kill scotty
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:05 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:58 pm Scotty didn’t townread you.
Scotty was undecided while Roxy was tunneling me.

If I'm mafia then why is Roxy still alive?
pyxxy suggested that its because wilgy blocked scotty n3 (when tutuu who should have been protected died), and so he was your best guess for who the doc was. So there are worlds where scum you kills scotty
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:03 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Meh sean didnt have a legacy really

His only strong scumread was porscha, he had a vote on roxy but that seemed more like a reaction test and he never brought it up again
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Perhaps we should be starting to wonder why Seanzie was killed D1 over such illustrious names as Camilla, tutuu, Alison, all of whom were, IIRC, more trusted than him.

I'll poke through his legacy and see if he was onto anyone
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:59 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:53 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?
Because I'm not a wolf.

I was the second voter on the wolf roleblocker and I'd have no reason to do so especially since the doctor was still alive.

All the NKs so far were townreading me the hardest.

The person who's been tunneling me for most of the game is still alive despite being fairly consensus town.
tbf I pinged you to vote wilgy, you wouldve been turbod if you refused and he flipped mafia
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Pretty sure doctor shouldnt out. Id much rather they claim in f3 if the game goes there

On a base level in f3 either townie voting wrong means mafia wins

But if doc claims and goes un cced then only one townie can vote wrong (the doc who is deciding vote)

If doc claims and is cced then doc and cc thunderdomes so only the 3rd player can vote wrong

So theoretically doc being alive in f3 halves the chances of mafia winning no?
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:44 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

I have to wonder what wolf camillas plan is though by forcing the tdome this hard

She loses the tdome with jack, game over.

She wins, jack flips town, she kills me, enters f3 with roxy and pyx. How does she win that? Ever?
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:31 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:00 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:57 pm
Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:29 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:23 pm I've been townreading pyxxy all game and Wilgy insisting that the exe be Scotty or pyxxy (along with Scotty flipping town) suggests that he is very likely just town.

That means the last scum is in Jack/Roxy/Camilla. We have two exes, so if we can clear one of these then we'll have auto.

I'll likely be focusing my play this day on this.
What are your thoughts on the idea if the doc's in this pool then they should just claim?

If we miss today and the doc is not NK'd and doesn't claim then the last wolf can just CC them.
.......aight.......so like..............even if.......you're town..............this.......is blatant.......PR hunting.......to anyone.......who's.......been..............paying attention..............to who's PR cleared.......
I have a strong PR read on Roxy.

If she's it then the game's basically auto'd as even if I'm elim'd today then Alison/you can just kill Jack tomorrow without worrying about anything else since you both have each other as TRs.
No paranoia at all that you're being snowed by pyxxy or me? You have jack 100% irrefutable scum?
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:31 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

pyxxy wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:57 pm
Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:29 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:23 pm I've been townreading pyxxy all game and Wilgy insisting that the exe be Scotty or pyxxy (along with Scotty flipping town) suggests that he is very likely just town.

That means the last scum is in Jack/Roxy/Camilla. We have two exes, so if we can clear one of these then we'll have auto.

I'll likely be focusing my play this day on this.
What are your thoughts on the idea if the doc's in this pool then they should just claim?

If we miss today and the doc is not NK'd and doesn't claim then the last wolf can just CC them.
.......aight.......so like..............even if.......you're town..............this.......is blatant.......PR hunting.......to anyone.......who's.......been..............paying attention..............to who's PR cleared.......
I had the same thought lol

If one in the three claims then the doc is outed

If not then its either me or you

This is tantamount to asking the doc to out

I wasnt sure what to make of it since ive pr fished like that before as town but this def feels like a pr hunt either way
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:23 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

I've been townreading pyxxy all game and Wilgy insisting that the exe be Scotty or pyxxy (along with Scotty flipping town) suggests that he is very likely just town.

That means the last scum is in Jack/Roxy/Camilla. We have two exes, so if we can clear one of these then we'll have auto.

I'll likely be focusing my play this day on this.
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:05 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm Forgot vote count isn’t necessarily in order. I don’t even see where Porscha voted in her iso.
Based on this, I’m rejecting Camilla’s assertion that Pyxxy is never the wolf PR. Which is kinda funny because Camilla also insists that if Pyxxy flips vanilla wolf, I must be the wolf PR wowee.
dont think this is partnered with camilla

the people that randomly created sus on her when she was viewed as locktown (scotty/roxy) are probs not partnered either

think a camilla/pyxxy team would hard bury scotty over anyone else

ergo camilla can only be with wilgy if scum...

@Camilla vote wilgy to confirm yourself town. i know you dont have the balls to do it if you are his partner
I used to try this but it never works. Wolves feel comfortable calling this bluff and also just saying no. Townies will just vote for who they want under the idea that they’re town and they’ll be “confirmed” by voting who they were gonna vote anyhow or they won’t feel the need to not vote their scumread just for some dubious proof of townieness.
Seeing whether camilla stays or switches off the wilgy vote is informative imo.

if camilla switches then as you said could be town. but if she sticks and wilgy flips red shes 100% inno town.

Giving her the opportunity to do that is valuable in my eyes. If she switches to vote eg. you at eod then well... she was gonna do that anyway if i didnt ask her to vote wilgy, so its not like we lost anything
Hmm

Camilla did stay but Wilgy was dead after a certain point so not much point to switching if shes mafia

Need to recheck if she was given an opportunity to swerve off Wilgy and drum up an exe on someone else at any point
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:02 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

I had a tinfoil that it was because Roxy was the last wolf herself honestly but pyxxy's suggestion makes some sense to me
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:49 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

It's kinda interesting that I was the one to call Wilgy out and strongarm Camilla and Jack into voting him but by EOD they were both so confident on Wilgy scum that they were preflipping him red and associating him with the other.
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:47 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

pyxxy wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:44 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:42 pm
Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:38 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:34 pm Why was Scotty killed?
You'd always be protected tonight.

Roxy is tunneling on me.

Me/Pyxxy are basically Jack's path to victory.

So I'm not surprised that he got killed overnight.
@Jackofhearts2005 If Camilla is mafia, why not kill Roxy? More trusted than Scotty (at least FMPOV) and tunnelled on Camilla.
.......maybe.......scum.......rb'd.......scotty.......N3.......

.......scotty.......made.......it.......clear..............that tutuu.......was.......the save..............as did.......you.......

.......tutuu died..............scotty rb'd..............perhaps?.......

..............theory fits.......with you.......as well..............but..............you're still.......alive.......obviously.......
Hmm, that would fit, yeah
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:42 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:38 pm
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:34 pm Why was Scotty killed?
You'd always be protected tonight.

Roxy is tunneling on me.

Me/Pyxxy are basically Jack's path to victory.

So I'm not surprised that he got killed overnight.
@Jackofhearts2005 If Camilla is mafia, why not kill Roxy? More trusted than Scotty (at least FMPOV) and tunnelled on Camilla.
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:40 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D3] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:38 am
pyxxy wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:05 am
tutuu wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 4:52 pm @pyxxy can you place a vote asap. i want to see what you do

@Jackofhearts2005 you too. there's no hammer
.......sorry..............had..............to sleep.......

.......I think.......I'm stuck..............re-reading..............is..............scotty/falcon..............a.......difference check?.......wdyt?.......
You/Scotty is a difference check.

It’s not hard to read this as tmi Falcon is town to be used to yeet town Scotty later. 👀
Re-reading Jack it's actually funny how obviously he's TMI'ing hard the pushes here lmao.

Tutuu
Alison
Camilla
(line)
Wilgy
Scotty
(line)
Roxy
(line)
Pyxxy
Falcon


This was his readlist and despite Falcon being in the bottom he interpreted Pyxxy's comments as him wanting to mislynch scotty rather than clearing Scotty and falcon was town.

And in the top but not in the towncore, which would be the ideal place to put a lazy wolfbud as Wilgy had nothing to go to towncore him, when Wilgy was pushed he immediately started analyzing people's interactions with Wilgy despite having him as top town.

Like I'm always voting Jack here as there's no way in hell that these are a villager's thought processes.
I actually had Wilgy as a townread around this time because I thought his Porscha push was townie. And then obviously he dropped.
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:35 pm
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Doc dodging with roleblocker dead, I could see... but why Scotty? Isn't Roxy more trusted than he is? Was he killed because he was onto something Roxy isn't?
by Alison
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:34 pm
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D5] Apathy Mafia

Why was Scotty killed?
by Alison
Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 am
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

I have liked jack's recent solving. Feels thoughtful even if i dont agree with all of it, and forcibly taking roxy and scotty out of his POE would make his life hard and commit him to a very narrow worldview as mafia.
by Alison
Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:26 am
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Views: 39065

Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:16 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm
Camilla wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:11 pm @Alison

If he's a wolf then who do you think is his most likely partner?

So far pretty much everyone has been TRing him or giving him a pass which basically mean that if he's W then pretty much none of the PoE is cleared.
probs not scotty/pyxxy given his eagerness to force there today

Probably just roxy or jack
Hmm. But if I believe my townreads, the solve is Wilgy and one of Scotty/Pyxxy. :ponder: :ponder:

And indeed, Alison and Camilla voting Wilgy so (granted, it’s easy for Camilla to switch and winnable for her to bus Wilgy) surely not Alison/Wilgy and less likely to be Camilla/Wilgy.

So is Alison right about w!Wilgy but wrong about Wilgy being antialigned w/Scotty/Pyxxy (requires Wilgy to endgame alone, kinda unlikely, or to assume his partner wins the thunderdome…probably exactly Scotty)?

Or is Alison wrong on Wilgy? And if she’s wrong on Wilgy, what other team even makes sense? A reevaluation on Alison/Camilla necessary if Wilgy is town because I’m town, Roxy is town and Scotty and Pyxxy has max 1 wolf. Literally nowhere else for a wolf to exist. (Also, this line of thinking really leans into Wilgy+Jack world from t!Alison’s pov but it can’t be helped.)
why does wolf wilgy flip the coin on his partner winning the dome instead of going "maybe it's not pyx/scotty" to widen the poe like everyone else was?
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:24 pm
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Its not a reaction test i just think you are unlikely to bus so im offering you a chance to clear yourself if wilgy is red
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:21 pm
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

roxy has not been in thread much but has been reasonably townie when shes popped in

self defense posts d2 and the post about refusing to sit in a car as it goes over a cliff felt authentic to me

But i have to poe her as nothing she has wrote is truly unfakeable and she has nothing going for her besides sounding authentic
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:17 pm
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

oh right it was because wilgy was the only one voting with falcon when mafia would want a sleepwalk day if he is V...

but that reasoning is invalid, falcon was a dead man walking by the later parts of the day, so wilgys vote is meaningless posturing as it cant change anything
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:16 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

I had a reason to read wilgy as only scum with falcon yesterday but idr what it was
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:15 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

and if camilla reads that post and feels compelled to hellbus her partner wilgy then i wont complain :D
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:14 pm
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm Forgot vote count isn’t necessarily in order. I don’t even see where Porscha voted in her iso.
Based on this, I’m rejecting Camilla’s assertion that Pyxxy is never the wolf PR. Which is kinda funny because Camilla also insists that if Pyxxy flips vanilla wolf, I must be the wolf PR wowee.
dont think this is partnered with camilla

the people that randomly created sus on her when she was viewed as locktown (scotty/roxy) are probs not partnered either

think a camilla/pyxxy team would hard bury scotty over anyone else

ergo camilla can only be with wilgy if scum...

@Camilla vote wilgy to confirm yourself town. i know you dont have the balls to do it if you are his partner
I used to try this but it never works. Wolves feel comfortable calling this bluff and also just saying no. Townies will just vote for who they want under the idea that they’re town and they’ll be “confirmed” by voting who they were gonna vote anyhow or they won’t feel the need to not vote their scumread just for some dubious proof of townieness.
Seeing whether camilla stays or switches off the wilgy vote is informative imo.

if camilla switches then as you said could be town. but if she sticks and wilgy flips red shes 100% inno town.

Giving her the opportunity to do that is valuable in my eyes. If she switches to vote eg. you at eod then well... she was gonna do that anyway if i didnt ask her to vote wilgy, so its not like we lost anything
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:12 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Camilla wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:11 pm @Alison

If he's a wolf then who do you think is his most likely partner?

So far pretty much everyone has been TRing him or giving him a pass which basically mean that if he's W then pretty much none of the PoE is cleared.
probs not scotty/pyxxy given his eagerness to force there today

Probably just roxy or jack
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:08 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

ny turn to board a plane. Be back in like 12 hours or something
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:05 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm Forgot vote count isn’t necessarily in order. I don’t even see where Porscha voted in her iso.
Based on this, I’m rejecting Camilla’s assertion that Pyxxy is never the wolf PR. Which is kinda funny because Camilla also insists that if Pyxxy flips vanilla wolf, I must be the wolf PR wowee.
dont think this is partnered with camilla

the people that randomly created sus on her when she was viewed as locktown (scotty/roxy) are probs not partnered either

think a camilla/pyxxy team would hard bury scotty over anyone else

ergo camilla can only be with wilgy if scum...

@Camilla vote wilgy to confirm yourself town. i know you dont have the balls to do it if you are his partner
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:00 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

It bothers me that he highkey tried to push that it HAS to be between pyxxy and scotty when to me they are both townie on play today and i can easily see wolf teams in two of roxy/wilgy/jack
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:56 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:50 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:45 pm You know what I think? I think there is always one in Wilgy/Jack
0 alison paranoia from these two after two consecutive misexes of LHF is so uncharacteristic of both these people that I am having a hard time believing it. I feel like one or both of them are treating me with kid gloves and planning to kill me at night

@Jackofhearts2005 in both koth and carto you were very vocally suspicious for pushing what you read as townie LHF... why have you been largely ignoring me when it comes to suspects after falcon and rondo flips?
Weren’t you town in those games? The answer to me being in your face about you pushing lhf was “lol town Alison does that too” and then you flipped town.

I do try to learn from some of my mistakes.

Though tbf, I wasn’t even aware you pushed Rondo and like everyone pushed Falcon.
Thoughts on wilgy?
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:47 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:45 pm You know what I think? I think there is always one in Wilgy/Jack
0 alison paranoia from these two after two consecutive misexes of LHF is so uncharacteristic of both these people that I am having a hard time believing it. I feel like one or both of them are treating me with kid gloves and planning to kill me at night

@Jackofhearts2005 in both koth and carto you were very vocally suspicious for pushing what you read as townie LHF... why have you been largely ignoring me when it comes to suspects after falcon and rondo flips?
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:45 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

You know what I think? I think there is always one in Wilgy/Jack
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:41 pm
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

DrWilgy wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:42 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 am @DrWilgy @Roxy Can I hear you two's detailed thoughts on reads/solve/gamestate

I don't really know where your heads are at and id like to get a clearer read on you
There hasn't been much evolution. Falcon was a sleepwalk misyeet I think. Feel that Falcon should've been somewhat threadspewed.

There's one in Pyxxy/Scotty, probably just Pyxxy

There's one in Camilla/Roxy/Jack and that should be solved after we resolve the d1 tomfoolery.
Why is there always one in pyx/scot?
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:55 am
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

i assume that syn comment means no (the sound a horse makes is neigh) to double targeting

ergo three possibilities
1) doc healed tutuu n2 and couldnt heal her n3. unlucky
2) doc tried to reverse psychology not heal tutuu n3 so if the mafia doc dodges they heal her n4 and save her. unlucky
3) doc was blocked and mafia know who they are.

doc will know which scenario it is. If its 1 or 2 they should stay hidden. If its 3 then they should reveal if they are in the POE and stay hidden if they are not (they arent gonna die anyway so better to stay hidden and make the mafia not know if its 1/2 or 3)
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:51 am
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Topic: [WOLF WIN] Apathy Mafia
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

@DrWilgy @Roxy Can I hear you two's detailed thoughts on reads/solve/gamestate

I don't really know where your heads are at and id like to get a clearer read on you
by Alison
Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:49 am
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Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia

meh
by Alison
Tue May 30, 2023 1:45 pm
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Re: [D3] Apathy Mafia

Scotty wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 1:43 pm
Alison wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 1:41 pm
Scotty wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 1:40 pm Alison, would you say that are you someone that isn't afraid to bus your teammates?
I hellbus fearlessly when I am mafia. I think people who are afraid to bus are pussies
What does hellbus mean (actual question) in regards to bussing
It means you dont relent or give yourself any outs to hop off. Its a battle to the death

I wouldnt bus porscha here though if thats what youre thinking. Its an int to bus in a cop doc setup d1 because if the cop checks you its instant gg
by Alison
Tue May 30, 2023 1:41 pm
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Re: [D3] Apathy Mafia

Scotty wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 1:40 pm Alison, would you say that are you someone that isn't afraid to bus your teammates?
I hellbus fearlessly when I am mafia. I think people who are afraid to bus are pussies

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