The Syndicate

why wasn't nanook shot?

I have to go now bye.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:13 pm I don't think Alisons point about Syn going for the easiest path as mafia. I think it's probably >rand teamed of them from both sides too, but I can see syn voting town Alison as scum, especially considering the wagon size Alison was at earlier the easiest path this is completely not true

I have wolfed with Syn and it's why I'm saying it. The guy literally told us he had no WIM to play so if he endgamed he would just ATE a bunch and dick around. He's not an ultra high effort player in general and all the high effort games I've seen from him (GOC for instance) have been as town.

I am hard to misexe D1, scum Syn knows this. I think scum Syn would go for a lower hanging fruit. That's all.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:00 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:58 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:57 pm Esooa is probtown and wolves are hiding behind her fit to push a mislynch on a town that could potentially be dangerous for them later in the game.
elaborate
Town gets mad at other town and tunnels them. Wolves feed the fire to ensure a mislynch.

Who are the wolves pushing you rn

ejjinami wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:46 pm fingersplints naked voted Esooa btw

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine
honestly, that’s probably a villagery vote

…let me maybe try to read the thread once more after all :/
or at least the ISOs of people who can be eliminated today… I’m not going anywhere with reading the new posts

Naked votes are kinda scummy in general. If fingersplints has been following the thread without letting us know of her presence that's scum indicative.

Everyone else I want to exe has been hypo'd by someone or other. I wish people didn't play the game like that but it's the hand we're dealt so I'm selecting the next most palatable option.

fingersplints naked voted Esooa btw

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm I townread Creature for effort but then people who've played with him came in and said it was well within scum range so shrug. Syn seemed like he was genuinely annoyed at my play which is the reason I'd rather go Creature over him. I also think he tends to go for the path of least resistance as mafia and trying to push me is not that. This isn't a full clear of him but it is enough to prefer Creature over him today.
Would ve better we try to lynch wolf today

All the people I have made active scumcases on are hypo'd so it's GTO to leave them alive for at least one day.

I forgot Hyena hypo'd you, I'll vote elsewhere

orange's reaction to ejj's song and dance looked pretty VT ish

ejjinami wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:26 pm what is your read on esooa btw?

Posting has been fine. Not enough to clear her given her scumrange. I'd turbo her if Kami flips scum, and she looks good if Kami flips town. I'd almost always want to resolve Kami before her (especially since Kami has much worse posting in a vacuum) and she has been known to be tryhard obvtown and solo solve the game if given enough space so I'm happy to let her do her thing for a bit.

I also think she would be less cagey about outing a read on me if she was scum.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:26 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm I townread Creature for effort but then people who've played with him came in and said it was well within scum range so shrug. Syn seemed like he was genuinely annoyed at my play which is the reason I'd rather go Creature over him. I also think he tends to go for the path of least resistance as mafia and trying to push me is not that. This isn't a full clear of him but it is enough to prefer Creature over him today.

Kami having zero motivation to do anything or solve after that tunnel on me is obscenely scummy and the only reason I'm not pushing there is that Esooa is right that we should exe outside the hypos for today.
who do you want to exe today then? if you’re gonna disappear, leaving a vote with intent might be good xD

My vote is on Creature, rationale give.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm Not gonna be around for EOD as usual. You kids have fun. I've made my thoughts and solve pretty clear throughout this phase.
You seem to have backed off on Kami and you're voting Creature now after clearing him earlier. So they could be a bit clearer imo

You mean like a big post explaining why I uncleared Creature and why my hands are tied wrt Kami this day phase?

That I just made two posts above?

Not gonna be around for EOD as usual. You kids have fun. I've made my thoughts and solve pretty clear throughout this phase.

I townread Creature for effort but then people who've played with him came in and said it was well within scum range so shrug. Syn seemed like he was genuinely annoyed at my play which is the reason I'd rather go Creature over him. I also think he tends to go for the path of least resistance as mafia and trying to push me is not that. This isn't a full clear of him but it is enough to prefer Creature over him today.

Kami having zero motivation to do anything or solve after that tunnel on me is obscenely scummy and the only reason I'm not pushing there is that Esooa is right that we should exe outside the hypos for today.

I don't really understand the case on Ejj tbh. I think their posting has been fine.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Can we consolidate please

Yes, as well as their behavior in the first few pages of the game

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:02 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:00 pm Aren't there people who can call Creature out if he's lying about his meta there
I've played with him a lot on multiple forums, I don't think he's that consistent. Half of the times I've played with him he was slanky with no reads as a w o l f

Is he capable of putting this much effort and investment into coordinating mech if he's wolf

Aren't there people who can call Creature out if he's lying about his meta there

Hyena, I read Ejj town earlier because of how aggressively they were fishing for reactions early game and against orangecrush. What do you think of that read given your newfound experience with Ejj wolf?

I'm going to assume that meta diving someone who's alignment they already know and coming up with incredibly specific reads based on them is out of most people's wolf range. If anyone has seen Hyena wolf and think it's not out of theirs, let me know.

I also think Luckbox is town. I don't feel like saying why, but you can probably take a guess.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:15 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:10 pmsup hyena
Heeey. What do you think of your wagon at the moment? Do you think there are any scum on it?

Kami I think? Falc is sheeping you and otherwise seems to be in his town meta, Syn is just being contrarian about me not liking the way people handle hypos. Neither of them seemed particulrly scummy in the way they jumped onto me.

What's your take on nook?

sup hyena

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:00 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:58 pm Nothing I have seen is out of place for town Falcon.
Ok. Between the two of you, I trust this.
Can I get your take on EJJ? You have familiarity with her from other forums?

No familiarity. They're textbook townie in that they're actively poking at a wide range of ideas/people and doing lots of solving. They very aggressively reaction fished earlier which is probably townie even if the way they did it kinda spewed people.

I think Kami is wolfy still, and if it's not Kami I'd suspect nanook for the hop onto the smaller wagon as naked sheeping. This is because mafia likes driving V/V wagons (duh), but they usually want to be on the wagon that doesn't flip, because that way the town's ire will be directed at those on the flipped townie. On a similar note they will sometimes also hide on vanity wagons but there aren't any right now.

I would vote one of those two before Falcon/Syn, and I think Falcon is being his normal town self and Syn has towntelled once.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:43 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:29 pm and alison probably shouldn’t be the biggest wagon atm
it doesn’t necessarily look pure either

what do you think about son or falcon?
syn might be a wolf but that's all tbh
This is standard for Falcon?

Nothing I have seen is out of place for town Falcon.

I think orange is town.

Ejj is kinda griefing but they are probably still town.

This is exactly why everyone should shut their mouths about hypo claims instead of trying to be clever.

I think orangecrush's posting is lightly villagery

If Kami is actually town then it's probably nook for quietly backing the smaller wagon in a V/V fight. In that scenario wolves are almost certainly interested in making me vs Kami as big a thing as possible. People who are pushing that neither of us are wolves (Luckbox, to a lesser extent Ejj) look good there.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:02 am Alison what’s your read on esooa?

Almost certainly wolf if Kami is wolf

Probably town if Kami is town, because if Kami is town and Esooa is wolf I think she'd want to stoke the flames of me vs Kami rather than poke at other options.

I have dreams about mafia games all the time

We get it ejj you're town.

I'd lean town there because I got the vibe he was voting me out of contrarianism/annoyance that I was pushing a certain way of playing the game, rather than trying to get me killed because he wants a townie dead.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:56 pm Syn?????[/color]

What's with the ????? here

I would be a pretty shitty player if that wasn't in my wolf range lol.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:45 pm apparently making mech posts then saying you don't want to play mafia is an enthusiastic towny

Creature made long posts trying to coordinate the town's hypo claims, I think that shows a degree of investment he would have a difficult time simulating as mafia. I don't necessarily think of him as an enthusiastic townie in the same way JJJ or Hally tend to be, but he clearly cares about the way people go around doing their hypo claims.

One of the specific things that made me townread Hyena was when they said "nanook is here but seems disengaged", and then when Esooa challenged them on it, they said they didn't actually scumread it (probably because it's par for the course with nook), but they were throwing it out there to see who would jump on it and try to shade nanook for it. It's the kind of reaction test that Hyena likes to use a lot as town.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:35 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.
I don't understand this solve at all. Hyena has been in regular town form and I have no pings there. Creature has shown investment in the game which is the opposite of his MO as mafia.
idk what you're talking about with the creature read at all

For a long time Creature was polarized postcount wise. If he was town he would have a reasonable postcount, if he was wolf he would barely post. He has since fixed this tell but the point is that it demonstrates that his MO as wolf is to lay low and that he naturally has a low amount of investment/energy to give when he is wolf.

I believe his posts about hypo theory demonstrate enough genuine care about the game that I townread him. It's not a full clear but I don't have concerns about him at all.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 pm Wolves are something like Creature/Hyena/ and one player who hasn't posted yet.

I don't understand this solve at all. Hyena has been in regular town form and I have no pings there. Creature has shown investment in the game which is the opposite of his MO as mafia.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:30 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:25 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:20 pm NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon
Posts like this are 100% mafia gloating that they've managed to fool town by the way.
I don't claim to be able to read Kami, but it's impossible to be this confident about her.

I'm pretty confident Kami is a wolf.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:29 pm syns post was a joke

I didn't see that hyena agreed with the team though

regardless, if Alison doesn't stop there's a 100% chance I vote her EoD. I'm done talking about it

Do it. I'll make sure you get flipped after Kami.

You've consistently refused to engage on any of the reasons I've pointed out why you're scum and have focused solely on trying to discredit my point about your supposed hypo, which makes me think you are wolf caught for the wrong reasons and would rather try to argue that you would do an SOD hypo as villa rather than talk about your progression regarding your belief in me/lunchbox or your first post.

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:19 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:17 pm My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is a cop out excuse and not a real answer and it's the only one you have given so far.

But even setting the nanook v thing aside, I have way more reasons to scumread you than just that:

1) The fact that you made a misreppy first post and dipped.
2) The fact that you naked sheeped other people saying Lunchbox/Alison wolves together and tried to signal boost that narrative without giving any indication why you actually believe that.
3) The fact that you're trying to pass off your scumread on me as because I explained my scumread on you, when that is a perfectly logical thing to do as villa. It is nonsensical to believe that explaining your reads is scummy and a desire to cover up your OMGUS is a much more plausible explanation for you trying to push that line of reasoning.
Omg you got me! My peek I do every game as villager is why I'm a wolf!

I have given you three scumreads aside from the peek. You have not responded to any of them.

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:20 pm NGL I'm fucking dying over the fact you said you'd get me lynched and your top wagon

Posts like this are 100% mafia gloating that they've managed to fool town by the way.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:19 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:18 pm I have no clue who Kami is supposed to have been sleeping with the Alison/luckbox read at all
Hyena initially made that read, I believe.
except they didn't

You're right, Syn initially made the read, and Hyena affirmed it shortly after.

Doesn't change my point.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:18 pm I have no clue who Kami is supposed to have been sleeping with the Alison/luckbox read at all

Hyena initially made that read, I believe.

My question to you is not "have you ever SOD peeked as villa before". My question to you is "if you are villa why would you SOD peek after you were given a logical explanation as to why SOD peeking is bad". "Because I wanted to and IDGAF about optimal play" is a cop out excuse and not a real answer and it's the only one you have given so far.

But even setting the nanook v thing aside, I have way more reasons to scumread you than just that:

1) The fact that you made a misreppy first post and dipped.
2) The fact that you naked sheeped other people saying Lunchbox/Alison wolves together and tried to signal boost that narrative without giving any indication why you actually believe that.
3) The fact that you're trying to pass off your scumread on me as because I explained my scumread on you, when that is a perfectly logical thing to do as villa. It is nonsensical to believe that explaining your reads is scummy and a desire to cover up your OMGUS is a much more plausible explanation for you trying to push that line of reasoning.

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