The Syndicate

Scotty carried for sure.

mansnicks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:59 pm Gg

I'd want to ask for criticism and suggestions on my play, but I can't really do that when I don't even read 50% of D1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@hollowkatt you're the only player that I know who's different inside the game than outside. Why?

The first suggestion I have about your play is to refrain from verbally abusing other players in graveyard chat to the point that they leave the site and never come back.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:06 pm jesus christ Alison lol
What? I tried my best.
... you did great. It was a complimentary jesus christ.

Oh okay. Interpreted it the wrong way lol.

It's cool. You played well with the shot. Everyone in town played well honestly. <3

Thanks Guillo for hosting! Was a really fun game.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:08 pm If I hadn’t made those shots, does town lose in the night? Without me shooting I’m lynched for sure.

Did y’all have a soup left?

We couldn't soup. Mac and HK are immune to soups since their roles are known to the scum team. Also, we can only soup at night and only with 2+ mafia members left alive.

If you were exed you would lose, yes.

Soup kill was entirely fake. I used gambit designer to post it. I was also preparing a gambit designer post to implicate Scotty but it was derailed by the shot.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 pm Well played, mafia. I was sweating bullets there in the end that I made the wrong call. How did you get to lolcat my shot?

It turned me into an animal so I could only post in animal gifs. No idea why that happened.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:06 pm jesus christ Alison lol

What? I tried my best.

GG! That was a close game, great work town!

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Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:23 pm Ok fam, I don’t think I can wait too much longer. And I hope this doesn’t lose us the game. I did what I could.

I’m shooting, and if I’m wrong, I’m immediately voting for the other. Hopefully there’s no fuckery.. Good luck town

Who did you shoot? Just in case the gun backfires and kills you or something weird like that.

It would kill her if she tried to use any lethal, manipulative, or disruptive effect on LoMo. If she was town with a faked flip and roleblocked or jailkept LoMo, it would have killed her.

I don't know. TH, Michelle and Nanook are the most likely faked flips if I had to guess. Nanook was kinda townie on play and sheeped both me and Mac onto both LC and Ender D1. Michelle has a polarized scum range and she was very firmly in her town meta when she died. TH was obviously just omega scummy.

Yeah, it's mech correct.

Good morning. Anything you want me to address, or should I just let you do your ISO-ing in peace?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:55 am Scotty shooting inaccurately today puts us at mylo immediately which means we can't have the mafia solve a slot for us overnight.

I'm not actually sure that giving a mafia member with unknown/disputed powers an extra night phase to operate freely is more helpful to town than not. If they have an extra KP we auto lose for example.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:00 am Like we could just be complete assholes and say Scotty you shoot a wolf and end the game or you get chopped today.

Scotty town, at rand has a 33% chance of winning the game if he shoots not me (which like don't cuz I have a vest anyway). Take the fact that Dolby is probably just town here and it's 50%.

If he shoots wrong, then there is then a 33% chance he is mafia.

Which if you take Dolby as a clear actually makes him 50% likely mafia.

No... if he shoots wrong he has two live guns so there is a 0% chance he is mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:25 am Alison has the worst mech clear. Which if anything in a game with seemingly so much capability to gain false mech clearance, makes her kinda townier.

Dolby has a mech clear AND towniness. So I am just taking him as lock.

Scotty, I should park my paranoia and sheep dead town.

I kinda think Scotty should holster his gun. We chop HK. Let the mafia clear another player. Go to regular f3. If Scotty is town with a gun, the mafia will clear him tonight? They never take Scotty with a gun to f3?

If f3 has Scotty you just chop him? Otherwise you chop Alison?

What's the advantage to this over Scotty shooting today?

Nobody's claimed Nanook's pelt. He might have been killed by Babysitter.

Yeah.

Maybe it's just Scotty then.

The Osie post and some of the earlier LC posts are actually pretty good logs.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:03 am I don't understand why Mac is willing to believe that HK flipped wrong and was rezzed as mafia goon but not that Scotty was willing to shoot his teammate as a hail mary bus in a situation where they were going to get stomped.
I already humoured that. I am not unwilling to make that read. You are getting to the point of outing with the level of propagandaishness your Mac analysis possesses.

Let us say Scotty shoots me. He has two live guns so he is clear. I am dead so I am clear.

What is your next move? Are you just going to say "gg HK was framed"?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:03 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:33 pm
Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:27 pm My solve sits at within TH, Mac and 1 other rn. Probably Nanook because ye gods the passivity here is unreal so I need to read them.
It's hard to imagine Mac intentionally postblocking himself for 2 day phases on end just to earn some towncred given the way he likes to play as scum. I have been burned by that kind of read before (Stardew Valley Mafia) though.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:48 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:46 pm If you think it's WIFOM just call the bluff. Scotty supposedly has a gun; he can resolve my alignment right now if it's legitimate.

My solve is Scotty -> Mac. I don't see a good reason for Scotty to have those guns in his hand unless he is mafia. I would probably go Mac over Dolby if he is green on the sole basis that both sides have been mech cleared (one got time looped, the other shot a wolf) and Mac is more likely to be cunning enough to fake it.
Dolby also was time looped today and only broke out of it when LC flipped. It's impossible for him to be a wolf unless this entire game has been set up for him to be the deepest of deep wolves.
The way that Dolby is a wolf is if he uses a daykill to bus Ender and then asks LC to time loop him (or fakes a time loop). In a Scotty V and HK V world someone has faked being sabotaged by the mafia so he can't be cleared off that.

I would go Mac over him mostly because I think Mac is about ten thousand times more likely to fake a sabotage on himself than Dolby is.
Interesting how your opinion is so fluid.

Don't be absurd. The context has changed and now we are looking at a possible deepwolf if Scotty really does fire a second live gun. In fact if Scotty fires a second gun to clear himself and HK is town then it is confirmed that the last remaining mafia member really did orchestrate a sabotage on themselves. So in that world yes I am forced to consider the possibility that you are that mafia member. I don't see a reason to consider that possibility when the game looks easy.

I don't understand why Mac is willing to believe that HK flipped wrong and was rezzed as mafia goon but not that Scotty was willing to shoot his teammate as a hail mary bus in a situation where they were going to get stomped.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:51 pm Scotty shooting a wolf teammate when he did is just nuts to think about. I am not gonna be the guy that tinfoils mafia killing teammates. I did that once and it cost me a lot of dignity.

So I am taking Dolby, Scotty as clear.

Is there a world where HK is a wolf?

Maybe he is the wolf with the card shuffling nonsense?

If Scotty/LC are the mafia team what do you think Scotty would do in that position?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:48 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:46 pm If you think it's WIFOM just call the bluff. Scotty supposedly has a gun; he can resolve my alignment right now if it's legitimate.

My solve is Scotty -> Mac. I don't see a good reason for Scotty to have those guns in his hand unless he is mafia. I would probably go Mac over Dolby if he is green on the sole basis that both sides have been mech cleared (one got time looped, the other shot a wolf) and Mac is more likely to be cunning enough to fake it.
Dolby also was time looped today and only broke out of it when LC flipped. It's impossible for him to be a wolf unless this entire game has been set up for him to be the deepest of deep wolves.

The way that Dolby is a wolf is if he uses a daykill to bus Ender and then asks LC to time loop him (or fakes a time loop). In a Scotty V and HK V world someone has faked being sabotaged by the mafia so he can't be cleared off that.

I would go Mac over him mostly because I think Mac is about ten thousand times more likely to fake a sabotage on himself than Dolby is.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:44 pm cause that's the only thing I can think of when she says shoot between her and dolby is "less likely to shoot the person offering to be shot"
and GTH dolby is town

Saying to shoot between me and Dolby is not WIFOM it's mech correct play. You're the most cleared town and Mac is claiming a vest.

If you think it's WIFOM just call the bluff. Scotty supposedly has a gun; he can resolve my alignment right now if it's legitimate.

My solve is Scotty -> Mac. I don't see a good reason for Scotty to have those guns in his hand unless he is mafia. I would probably go Mac over Dolby if he is green on the sole basis that both sides have been mech cleared (one got time looped, the other shot a wolf) and Mac is more likely to be cunning enough to fake it.

If Scotty has a second gun he should fire it to clear himself by proving he had two live guns. Then if the game doesn't end you can just solve between the survivors. Mac is probably a bad choice since he has claimed to have a vest, and I think HK is just town so you should probably fire between me and Dolby.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:29 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:23 pm I think that the solve is just in Alison/Mac since if Scotty has a second gun he’s clear and I’m not at HK flipping fake to try to get rezzed further down
Let’s be honest.

Alison even contemplating me as bad is red flag.

Because even with 1 gun and a most likely soup kill, bad me could have ended this game so fast at beginning of day.

My eye is actually on Alison if I had to shoot right now/
I will not because I want to do more digging tomorrow, but that’s where my head is at. Night all

With 1 gun you cannot end the game unless you also have a soup kill. There is a very real chance that the soup kill is simply incorrectly submitted and the mafia does not have an actual soup kill left.

If you have a second gun feel free to shoot me to clear your suspicions. If I die you'll be outed as 2 real guns which proves you aren't mafia. In which case you can just solve between Mac/Dolby, most likely Mac.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:23 pm I think that the solve is just in Alison/Mac since if Scotty has a second gun he’s clear and I’m not at HK flipping fake to try to get rezzed further down

We don't have proof Scotty has a second gun, or that the second gun works. I agree with you on HK flipping fake.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:22 pm We know a gun misfired that day so Mac is proven to have been holding a blank gun. We don't have proof that it vanillaized him.
It didn't vanillaise me. Stop saying that it did. It swapped my original skillset with ascetic, miller and disloyal PGO.

Yes, that.

I'm asking if we have proof that happened.

Dolby's status effect is suggestive that mafia can give people guns that do bad things to them which is a point in your favor. I do not think mafia Mac fucks up his own role D2.

Although I guess the "must fire" status effect Dolby got heavily suggests that mafia has an effect of that kind.

We know a gun misfired that day so Mac is proven to have been holding a blank gun. We don't have proof that it vanillaized him.

Do we have proof that Mac actually got a fake gun that replaced his abilities with crap?

One of them could be a role copier as well.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:19 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:18 pm Could there just be 6 mafia? Town has a fuckton of KP with all the guns going around, and if the c4/listo flips are to be believed there's 2 protectives as well.
You don't really believe they had the exact same role do you?

It happened in PercyKate, remember?

Could there just be 6 mafia? Town has a fuckton of KP with all the guns going around, and if the c4/listo flips are to be believed there's 2 protectives as well.

I guess mafia could be holding onto the soup and it's actually LyLo today.

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