The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:56 am I more just meant snowball effect of mafia dying d1 over dya would have just butterfly effected a stomp than anything mech.

punished for trying to cfd

DkKoba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:20 pm nanook is the only other player here i would give praise to other than ender btw

im just salty they switched off made who ended up being negative utility here for me so i didnt say it.

i think i played well

rip town

Yeah I don't believe this claim. We have a claimed doctor and claimed cop and MR claims pseudo-doctor and pseudo-cop.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:25 pm I'm a JOAT, the role I was born to play it seems.

Role cop – as it sounds
Role stopper – blocks the roles targeting my choice (not their own role usage)
Role watcher – observes what roles (not players or actions) visit my target
Role enforcer – strongmans my target’s own role action

I can choose one to use 2x.

I rolecopped tutuu N1 and hinted as much.
I tried to use my rolecop again on 112 and was unsuccessful.



Eating dinner. See you in DVC I guess.

Why not rolestop an IC?

Like we're just going to wind up exeing both anyway.

I find it hard to care which one of them goes over though.

The main argument for voting Bo over MR is that MR is more helpful to town.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:04 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:58 pm Not fully present here (making and soon eating dinner) but in regards to TSP/Sig,

sig wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:53 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:44 pm No I will not take any questions nor provide receipts on this team

Do you think or know or don't know TSP is town by the way?

I’m gonna go with a solid yes, but not for the reason you’d think/been floated it’s something else.

Won’t go into roles further at this time since I’ve been very anti claim this game.

Yep I read this, and it tells me nothing of note, just that sig is corroborating

It means the clear is one sided. TSP has mech info that sig is town. Sig does not have mech info that TSP is town ("it's not for the reasons you'd think"), but has some other unrelated reason to townread him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:56 pm Back to the sig/TSP conundrum. Neither is voting the same.

Which…ok, if they’re trying to hide out as separate entities, then that makes sense. sig is against claiming for fear of the soup nazi, so that makes sense.

But they’re linked and they’ve all but corroborated that.

Unless they’re not really masons, because they don’t have BTSC communication.

Or tsp just voted and sig hasn’t been around to follow suit yet.

But the problem with that is- neither have ever voted together yet. Breakdown in communication?

Either they forgot their narrative, or they never had BTSC, got a random check, and are living their own lives. Which I guess is possible, but I still don’t trust that

or they just have different reads lolll.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:49 pm Skimmed through Bo’s iso.

A lot of it is simply NAI with him. He doesn’t really roll up his sleeves and analyse much as town; I think he prefers to chat live with people and get a sense of them. And I give him a pass on that sort of thing anyway since he subbed in, possibly knowing he would just be a warm body and without any intention of playing hard, and has way too much to catch up on anyway.

The one thing that pings me about his iso is that it’s full of questions. Specifically, he asked me, Rondo, and Falcon all about what we thought, but seemingly did nothing with whatever our responses were (not bothering to check tbh). Tied to that, the only people he really talks to/about/around are me and Falcon, his CDC mates. (Not 112 though, whatever that may mean w.r.t. his associations with her, if anything.) And Rondo, actually. He is popping in, lobbing softball questions or comments at the people he’s comfortable talking to, plus one person extra, and then doing nothing else.

I think regardless of his alignment, Bo’s heart is not in this game. So there’s a high chance of simply misinterpreting his words and actions. But if anything stands out to me it’s his shying away from interacting with anyone outside a small circle including two of his familiar peers. That does suggest to me an attempt to stay out of the spotlight of others’ gazes beyond those he knows or maybe feels unthreatened by (sorry Rondo).

This is pretty hedgy for a site meta that boasts polarized meta reads on each other, and smacks of someone who is gearing up to push on Bo while retaining the ability to claim you townread him or at least didn't bury him after he flips town.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:22 pm i still don't understand why made's retroactive claim makes him more likely to be town and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

The bottom line is that tree stump doesn't sound likely to be a scum role (what use would a scum who can talk after death be? Nobody's going to listen to them) and I think Made is genuinely a tree stump for two reasons:

1) He mixed up tree stump and immortality, I think if he was given tree stump as a fakeclaim he'd claim it correctly the first time rather than claiming "I'm immortal".

2) He has some pretty extensive softing of his role, including going to the extent of finding a Marvel character that had a similar ability to post as a reaction gif. This was done all the way from Day 1. I don't think that he'd go to such extent to establish a fake softclaim as scum.

If Ruri is Phraze they get a free ride to the upper POE (although not quite out of it) for not outing in her first few posts.

Ruri is Phraze right?

Pressure has dissipated off MR and that makes me uncomfortable. MR was widely suspected, and has done nothing to clear themselves since. I would like anyone who dislikes an MR vote or feels bad about their wagon to articulate why.

Two of MR/BK/tutuu being wagons here seems good.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:33 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:41 am We have an absurd amount of town role claims for D3.

MaYbE EvRy1 iS tOwN

That happened once btw.

Undeclared bastard game. Kinda annoying.

There is even a chance that tutuu is the Djinn herself pretending to be a recipient and goading people into wishing for things.

nobody wish for anything, this djinn shit is obviously a trap.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:18 am

112 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:43 am i'm only still awake because i want to realtime with MR

I WISH FOR A KILL

you wanna lose to the gambit demon again?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:37 am

112 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:36 am when did made become obvtown?

We townread his tree stump claim, mans thought he was unkillable and immortal

He had good receipts too.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:06 am Something I will also say, and i would if someone else chimed in here, is that this thread state feels very foreign to me.

I don't know if i've ever seen anyone talk about this before, but I feel like certain scum player combinations lead to certain thread states. Like if everything makes sense, but we haven't chopped a wolf, Alison is scum. If town is focused on a very secure poe, but hasn't hit anyone yet, Mac is scum.

This thread is chaos. Who is scum in successful chaos?

It is?

We have a pretty solid consensus POE and consensus towncore.

People are freaking out over nothing. There are slots that nobody objects to getting rid of. BoSyn and MR. So get rid of 'em.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:38 am All due respect to koba, who generally has decent reads, I dont think this is the game to sheep them posthumously

What makes you think Koba's reads are off today? Especially because POE'd players generally have better reads because they can cop check themselves?

112 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:30 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:18 am

112 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:17 am i will now take questions

Tell me please how do you read Rondo and why

closer to neutral than anything but i've been shifting around. i had him as slightly town before i left the thread yesterday and went to sleep. part of me feels that if the town's best guess is rondo we're probably not winning this game. whether that should have any effect on how i read him idk.

to be honest i feel like my heart thinks he's town and that i'm being somewhat peer-pressured into thinking he's wolfier than he actually is to me.

i think what i called abrasiveness in him is usually a wolf trait but i don't think it's wolfy here. not sure i can really elaborate on that, but just that he's been very consistently posting with attitude in every post i've read makes me like him more somehow. like it doesn't feel like an act.

as far as solvey stuff from rondo, i don't really have anything in mind, but i've melded with some posts and insights iirc and he seems to be actually contributing better than others?

like i'm not saying he can't be wolf but i don't understand fully why he's your first choice

A little townie.

tutuu/MR seem like fine competing wagons to me.

It isn't clearing, I think, but it's something to consider. Bussing isn't clearing either but it drives their town equity up. Not using a shot in a way that's super pro scum that they could easily have done does, too.

Also have to wonder if scum!Epi cares more about having fun or winning.

I don't think Epi would have taken the Axe vig threat seriously given who Axe is. If he's scum he probably just wanted to blast a townie then claim dayvig and skate by. The alternative is that he quietly shoots Mac with no accountability, which is what I would have done.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:34 pm Hmm. Interesting thought process.

Is it more likely to come from town Epi or scum Epi.

If I'm mafia, you wouldn't be here.

You would have held your shot and blasted Mac silently as mafia?

Hmm. Interesting thought process.

Is it more likely to come from town Epi or scum Epi.

Oh I didn't catch that, sorry. Lemme read.

Alright, I'm eager to see it.

@Epignosis Could you walk me through your thought process when it came to shooting Axe?

I think nanook is a villager at least

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:27 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:41 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:37 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:32 am I need to find more trusted town. There isn't enough obvious town outside of Ted now that Kza died. I almost feel obliged to treat people I'm sus of as townfirms for the benefit of the gamestate.

Maybe I need to reassess everyone on skim. I will do that.

I'm literally right here, wow

Well see the reason I want trusted town is so I can solve as a group and I tried to engage you on your Epi read and you memed at me so even if you are town you're not the type of town I am currently sourcing.

Idk what to tell you, he did his mafia stuff...he has seemingly no plan, he's posting a fair amount but most of its that kind of grey area not quite fluff but not quite reads either stuff, he makes consistent excuses for not having thoughts (in a vacuum this is whatever in combination with the no plan thing its scummy)

Basically hes trying but not in a townie way, idk if that makes sense as a way to describe it

All I am seeing is Epi being Epi?

Yeah its hard to articulate thats why I gave you a meme response instead

Its like

So he's presenting as "i don't have much time but idgaf" town epi yeah, with some flippant responses and stealing my gimmick

But he's actually been here a fair bit by his posting and his rl excuses are in practice excusing lack of thoughts more than they are lack of presence

And lack of presence town epi is, at least in my experience, keenly aware of his lack of presence and tries to find other ways to contribute. I really doubt town epi without a ton of time to devote to the game shoots town (admittedly a town he doesnt care for), then just goes on his marry well with seemingly no plan for how to contribute to the town moving forward.


Like it's not an ironclad read but I feel reasonably good about it, it's just super hard for me to articulate it in a convincing fashion that people can't just wave off as "thats just epi lol"

@Alison

Thanks, I'll mull over this

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why is it epi?

I think falcon is pretty townie here

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:33 pm It doesn't matter i don't have enough of a thread presence for my reads to be given weight

alright then if you aren't gonna explain don't complain nobody is listening to you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:17 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:09 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:46 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:42 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:38 am Haven't caught up, why is radish the wagon now and what happened to the red check?


Also rondo is likely town lol

Wilgy claimed to be a cop, n1 copped syn but unsuccessful, n2 peeked rondo not-a-threat (town or 3p)

Also host announced an error in night actions then urist said his protect on scotty didnt fail like he was told it did initially

Ender isnt certain if his action takes priority over urists

112 claims to have potentially disrupted the kill which gives ender 33% to have stopped the kill and red peeked wilgy

33% still seems pretty good to me tbh

And lol why is rondo being pushed over a greenish check if wilgy is no longer being pushed

Because JPIC likes godfathers apparently. Also because we have some evidence of redirection fuckery going on.

Seems like shitty reasoning to me

why is it shitty reasoning?

we have good reason to believe cop checks are unreliable this game. why are we clearing someone because someone claimed to have a green on them?

Ignoring them entirely seems like a poor idea and hes townie besides that so

why is he townie besides that?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:34 pm @TonyStarkPrime how vulnerable is your "green check" on sig to stuff like godfather or redirector?

Zero barring like heavy heavy heavy bastard game in which place we complain in post but I think his in thread content is also towny even though he keeps voting bad

ok

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:46 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:42 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:38 am Haven't caught up, why is radish the wagon now and what happened to the red check?


Also rondo is likely town lol

Wilgy claimed to be a cop, n1 copped syn but unsuccessful, n2 peeked rondo not-a-threat (town or 3p)

Also host announced an error in night actions then urist said his protect on scotty didnt fail like he was told it did initially

Ender isnt certain if his action takes priority over urists

112 claims to have potentially disrupted the kill which gives ender 33% to have stopped the kill and red peeked wilgy

33% still seems pretty good to me tbh

And lol why is rondo being pushed over a greenish check if wilgy is no longer being pushed

Because JPIC likes godfathers apparently. Also because we have some evidence of redirection fuckery going on.

Seems like shitty reasoning to me

why is it shitty reasoning?

we have good reason to believe cop checks are unreliable this game. why are we clearing someone because someone claimed to have a green on them?

@TonyStarkPrime how vulnerable is your "green check" on sig to stuff like godfather or redirector?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:46 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:42 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:38 am Haven't caught up, why is radish the wagon now and what happened to the red check?


Also rondo is likely town lol

Wilgy claimed to be a cop, n1 copped syn but unsuccessful, n2 peeked rondo not-a-threat (town or 3p)

Also host announced an error in night actions then urist said his protect on scotty didnt fail like he was told it did initially

Ender isnt certain if his action takes priority over urists

112 claims to have potentially disrupted the kill which gives ender 33% to have stopped the kill and red peeked wilgy

33% still seems pretty good to me tbh

And lol why is rondo being pushed over a greenish check if wilgy is no longer being pushed

Because JPIC likes godfathers apparently. Also because we have some evidence of redirection fuckery going on.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:29 am and yeah, i didn't scum read, but I thought the consensus was that you dying would get rid of the question mark-- and I agreed with that. tbh, you're reading town, but not as town as Scotty/Alison. In my experience poison heals are 2 shot max, so using that on you feels odd to me in this situation. Given the theory that KZA was poisoner, it was the right move to save you, but from my pov, it's odd

That all said, i don't see how this line of thought helps so imma just drop it if that's cool /w you

Poison healing anyone you think is town is optimal because you can get killed.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:17 am Hard disagree.

Hard disagree - but where is the counterpoint?

I say you have failed to furnish sufficient evidence that you are town. You have said Mac townreads you. Well and good. But we looked into that townread and it was a townread that Mac himself was uncertain of. It was also a townread that had very little reasoning behind it other than volume.

Where is the sufficient evidence? Point it out to me or be proven a liar.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:07 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:06 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:05 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:03 am Im starting to think Epi is scum just coz there are too many townclears and i know im town. If yall knew im town id guess ud replace me with epi in ur poes

Not saying we should kill him soon, might be one of the last scum we chop. But ye

Maybe not epi but like. At least one of the people with towny mech has to be mafia by numbers

You had me as town hard up in the town area and you havent defended me once against the Alison onslaught. Explain

Alison = boss

Me = obey

which is exactly the same reason I got scum read from alison, watch out

Also untrue.

You got scumread because you've been doing nothing to help town. And when you are directly asked to do more in your solving, you throw a temper tantrum and whine about how you refuse to cooperate with people if they ask you to do so. You have self-voted or pretended to self-vote during a tight EOD which is scummy. You have voted confirmed town which is scummy. You have voted townie people like Michelle at the slightest opening which is scummy. You have played up your jester status and used it as an excuse to avoid doing actually townie things.

This is why you are being scumread. Not because you sheeped me. I generally townread people for sheeping me, and I don't think negatively of either tutuu or falcon for doing so. Because they aren't acting like chaotic jesters disrupting town solving in favor of filling the thread with drivel.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:04 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:33 pm Rondo taking his vote off me when I attacked him for it is scummy. In Batman he didn't give a fuck about being voted, and when he got voted out he ended with his vote on himself and his last post was "ignore everything I said I was just bullshitting". And he was town.

Now he gets skittish when he gets pressure and the tone of his "eh I'm going to die" seems resigned and disappointed rather than yolo which is what he does as town. Mac thought he was scummy too. And there is the "maybe the IC is actually mafia" crap which I struggle to believe is real.

Rondo definitely POE. Will look for more suspects today.

I still say this is a terrible way to try and read me

Mac did not think I was scummy, you can say you think I am but you cant say Mac did when he said I was town.

Mac scumread you for much of Day 1. His reversal on you was eh and he said himself that he was likely to be wrong on it.

You kept moving the goal post you asked me to prove to you mac said I was town, I proved that, then you say its eh. Then I continue to be have as much fun till I die rondo cause youve made up your mind

This is a lie.

Show me where Mac townread you and his reasoning. If it's good I'll sheep him. Else you go into the POE for clowning around all day playing up your meme status and acting like a jester while people are trying to solve.

Exact quote.

Mac's reasoning was not good.

No shifting goal posts. I did what I said. You have failed to furnish sufficient evidence that you are town.

2. Michelle
3. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
5. sig
6. tutuu
7. MacDougall/alison
8. falcon45ca
9. Urist
10. RondoDimBuckle
11. EnderWiggin
12. Master Radishes
13. Epignosis
15. Made
16. Syn/BoKnows
17. 112
18. Poison
19. Ruri
21. DrWilgy
22. Scotty
24. TonyStarkPrime

Alive players. Clear Scotty and myself for being hard confirmed town.

2. Michelle
3. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
5. sig
6. tutuu
8. falcon45ca
9. Urist
10. RondoDimBuckle
11. EnderWiggin
12. Master Radishes
13. Epignosis
15. Made
16. Syn/BoKnows
17. 112
18. Poison
19. Ruri
21. DrWilgy
24. TonyStarkPrime

Clear Ender, Poison, Urist, and Made for convincing and townie roleclaims.

2. Michelle
3. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
5. sig
6. tutuu
8. falcon45ca
10. RondoDimBuckle
12. Master Radishes
13. Epignosis
16. Syn/BoKnows
17. 112
19. Ruri
21. DrWilgy
24. TonyStarkPrime

Clear sig/TSP and Rondo/Wilgy, not because they're totally out of the POE but because their mech on each other means that it's inadvisable to touch them today until we see how that pans out.

2. Michelle
3. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
6. tutuu
8. falcon45ca
12. Master Radishes
13. Epignosis
16. Syn/BoKnows
17. 112
19. Ruri

Of these, I think Michelle has been playing extremely townie. Nanook has been posting reasonably well and his annoyance/conviction about Epi rang genuine. I also have a very small mech-related reason to think he's town which I won't disclose atm. It's not very reliable, but it's the cherry on top. falcon has been posting medium today, but I liked the early pushes in his ISO. Falling off in complicated mech situations isn't out of his town range, and if I just assessed his posts then... they're townie. Even his posts today have been nullish and not scummy.

So we clear Michelle, Nook and Falcon for townie posting.

6. tutuu
12. Master Radishes
13. Epignosis
16. Syn/BoKnows
17. 112
19. Ruri

That leaves these people as potential exes today.

112's claim is too vague to be of any help. I have a townlean on 112's prior posting, but they swung down and Ender's hard scumread of them means I can't clear them today. Ruri's posts are extremely unmemorable. tutuu's posting has actually been ok but she was targeted for death by Koba and we all know this is well within her scum range. Epignosis, eh, sig testifies he could have made that shot as either alignment. So we put him in the POE, that's fine. MR and Bo are obviously the big suspects.

This is my POE for the D3 exe. Come day 4, if I'm dead, you'll want to reopen the question of TSP/sig and Wilgy/Rondo. You might also want to doublecheck the townie roleclaims against known mech that comes out N3, and make sure that the townie posters aren't skating by. It's a good start though.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:03 am Im starting to think Epi is scum just coz there are too many townclears and i know im town. If yall knew im town id guess ud replace me with epi in ur poes

Not saying we should kill him soon, might be one of the last scum we chop. But ye

Maybe not epi but like. At least one of the people with towny mech has to be mafia by numbers

This is a good point.

I am not clearing Epi any more.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:33 pm Rondo taking his vote off me when I attacked him for it is scummy. In Batman he didn't give a fuck about being voted, and when he got voted out he ended with his vote on himself and his last post was "ignore everything I said I was just bullshitting". And he was town.

Now he gets skittish when he gets pressure and the tone of his "eh I'm going to die" seems resigned and disappointed rather than yolo which is what he does as town. Mac thought he was scummy too. And there is the "maybe the IC is actually mafia" crap which I struggle to believe is real.

Rondo definitely POE. Will look for more suspects today.

I still say this is a terrible way to try and read me

Mac did not think I was scummy, you can say you think I am but you cant say Mac did when he said I was town.

Mac scumread you for much of Day 1. His reversal on you was eh and he said himself that he was likely to be wrong on it.

@falcon45ca I am voting MR now btw.

Would love your thoughts on him and Bo since you're from the same community. 112 as well if you can read her.

Naw falcon is town.