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Belzy -> Santy D3/D4 or I blacklist you all, have a good day

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:07 pm I am truly sorry if you are town. I'll feel awful. But I dunno how anyone expects me to see stuff like that and be like "ah that's town Alison right there" lol.

Sorry man guess I thought u knew me better than u did

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:01 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:58 pm The actual most wolfy thing I have done is that I have been sarcastic and amused more than furious despite the fact that town has decided to run it down from my POV. But I am just in a good mood because of stuff that happened yesterday.
If you are town you have not played like town Alison on day 2. You were very town Alison on day 1. But today you've been very antithetical to your normal principles and peddled a great lot of nonsense. Also again, if you could mech self resolve and weren't being allowed to you'd have made a MASSIVE deal out of it.

I only make a big deal out of suboptimal play... Nanook didn't troll so why would I be mad?

Anyway have fun man and maybe reconsider your model of me for the future. Doctor is calling me now, cya

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:58 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:56 pm It's mech confirmed because there's no reason not to soft
There was nothing forcing them to use the role
ergo they didn't think about their role until night.

They decided to use it on a whim on me because they were certain I was town and it was the way they could use the role to not die.

that is not that unreasonable. It is not the optimal way to use it imo but that's not outing and you know it's not.

It is because Belzy is a good player so she knows it too. If a chess amateur starts a3 in an important tourney they are just bad. But if alireza starts a3 in an important tourney hes either trolling o you should check his paypal to see if his opp paid him off.

Belzy before Santy if I flip btw, play the game properly in my memory o7 mech confirms before obvious mafia

The actual most wolfy thing I have done is that I have been sarcastic and amused more than furious despite the fact that town has decided to run it down from my POV. But I am just in a good mood because of stuff that happened yesterday.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:53 pm Its ok mac if I go over you'll die at night and we can hang out in dvc together the rest of these guys will hang belzy -> santy from a tree
even if you don't go over we will be in dvc together by d3 homie

Amen, maybe we can watch heavens feel tgt in the vx

It's mech confirmed because there's no reason not to soft

Its ok mac if I go over you'll die at night and we can hang out in dvc together the rest of these guys will hang belzy -> santy from a tree

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:50 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:48 pm Anyway my counterwagon is mech confirmed wolf and so I guarantee 3-4 wolves on my wagon, just treat it as the POE for a free win

Have a good time
They are not a mech confirmed wolf. More lies from the lie factory.

They are because if they really were weak neighborizer they would have said who they were targeting so if you were mafia we get a red check... cmon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:20 pm The clear most outing this for Alison is that they tolerated the way that Nanook blocked their supposed path to mech self resolution.

Anyone who knows town Alison's play knows that there is no way in hell Alison would permit that without invoking the "you are hard wolfsiding prepare to die" policy.

The way Alison has treated slots is inconistent both inside this game and also against her known town meta.

Top townreading Seanzie when he shouldn't be anyone's top town
Refusing to interrogate or suspect dyachei despite their wolfsiding on day 1
Hard pushing Santygrass who is very townie
Hard pushing arogame and millium over Porscha day 1 who appears to be now outed mafia

Far too many red flags.
If I die I hope someone quotes this post first thing D3 so we can lol at mac
More bullshit ungenerous nonsense instead of refuting actual points. Very towny.

I have refuted all these points 10 times over and dont feel like doing so again from a phone at the doctors office. Sorry mac.

Anyway my counterwagon is mech confirmed wolf and so I guarantee 3-4 wolves on my wagon, just treat it as the POE for a free win

Have a good time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:20 pm The clear most outing this for Alison is that they tolerated the way that Nanook blocked their supposed path to mech self resolution.

Anyone who knows town Alison's play knows that there is no way in hell Alison would permit that without invoking the "you are hard wolfsiding prepare to die" policy.

The way Alison has treated slots is inconistent both inside this game and also against her known town meta.

Top townreading Seanzie when he shouldn't be anyone's top town
Refusing to interrogate or suspect dyachei despite their wolfsiding on day 1
Hard pushing Santygrass who is very townie
Hard pushing arogame and millium over Porscha day 1 who appears to be now outed mafia

Far too many red flags.

If I die I hope someone quotes this post first thing D3 so we can lol at mac

Yeah it's true if she was gonna use it on Mac she would say that Mac is red checked if she dies so we could expose him

Porscha is getting checked tonight so no point voting her

So it boils down to whether or not you believe Belzy's claim

I kinda think we should kill Santygrass still

So Mac is town regardless since Belzy has confirmed the green check

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

Dunno how much I'll be around before EOD, have medical stuff today. Have made my points clear IMO.

Why are we building mac wolf worlds when he has claimed a green check on him and belzy hasnt shown up, which is way more indicative of caught mafia than a town willing to rebuke macs claim

Btw if Belzy never comes back by EOD I am going to assume she is frozen/antispew by Mac correctly exposing her

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:17 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:16 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:07 am You know I find it even funnier than you want to policy me for my play but I entered this game with WIM and Energy and solving that you would prefer I do and you wanted me hard for it and now that I dont give a shit about the game and just do Rondo things you are more relaxed
That's the dilemma that people who have a chaos meta face. If they start playing properly they get scumread for it. Which kinda sucks but what can you do. If a former chaos goblin wishes to start playing seriously in their games from now on then I guess they just have to suck it up and get scumread for a few games until people get used to the idea that they no longer mess around
Yeah nah as soon as you said it I understood it was a fair cop. But I did tell people after I won HR that my meta was going to change. I can only be a chaos goblin for so long before I become a polarized noob

I encourage the shift in your meta and if you are town this game I will stop scumreading you for playing serious.

But FWIW I don't think any of the things you've done this game are policyable

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:07 am You know I find it even funnier than you want to policy me for my play but I entered this game with WIM and Energy and solving that you would prefer I do and you wanted me hard for it and now that I dont give a shit about the game and just do Rondo things you are more relaxed

That's the dilemma that people who have a chaos meta face. If they start playing properly they get scumread for it. Which kinda sucks but what can you do. If a former chaos goblin wishes to start playing seriously in their games from now on then I guess they just have to suck it up and get scumread for a few games until people get used to the idea that they no longer mess around

Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:57 am I voted myself because I thought eod was in 2 hours and I had like 8 votes, this guy isn't doing anything but trolling.

Still sounds bad, but I should be allowed my one annoyance self vote every couple of years

Rondo is doing Rondo things, the only reason I'm not burying this is because people say this is NAI for him, so I'm just waiting for him to do something

It is NAI yeah.

I have wanted to policy Rondo more than I have wanted to policy you overall. Not in this game like in general.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:48 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:48 am i dont really think that's a fair assessment but I'm biased. I think it's because ilario and I know you better than santy knows you
Maybe. I don't think Santy is town anyway so it's a long shot hypothetical.
Who is your loudest defender?

illario

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:44 am Btw if Santy is town then I'm going to laugh at him in DVC but also the top suspects in that scenario would be dyachei and Illario because I assume I'm the poor persecuted town being pocketed by understanding mafia with TMI if that happens
pls explain

When there is a town who is being pushed for bad reasons especially if those bad reasons are based on misunderstandings, something that a lot of skilled mafia like to do is to present themselves as being understanding and befriending them. The townie dies with a strong town read on the people who "didn't fall for the lies" and the mafia look great off trying to earnestly defend a slot that was being wrongly pushed.

I believe that this strategy is more likely to happen to me if Santy is town since then they'd want to encourage me to push Santy more and prop me up so I can fuel the dome. And I'm saying that dyachei and Illario fit that rough archetype in this scenario. dyachei argues that it's because dya and Illario just know me better. Perhaps. It's a good thought to consider at least in that world.

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:48 am i dont really think that's a fair assessment but I'm biased. I think it's because ilario and I know you better than santy knows you

Maybe. I don't think Santy is town anyway so it's a long shot hypothetical.

Btw if Santy is town then I'm going to laugh at him in DVC but also the top suspects in that scenario would be dyachei and Illario because I assume I'm the poor persecuted town being pocketed by understanding mafia with TMI if that happens

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:39 am ilario im kind of confused how I could realistically be in a world where mac is wolf. Like yeah mac may like that kind of theater but I do not and would not partake.

also like...you haven't really read a lot of my posts so these pronouncements seem strange to me

As someone who knows Mac pretty well I really doubt he would engage in that kind of theatre even with a willing scumbuddy unless it was some extreme pushing the limits of his range stuff designed to fool specifically me

My stance on Millium is currently that I think they are town but I am happy to policy them

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:33 am
Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:29 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:11 am
Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:53 am I think Alison is likely to gaslight as town too, that's my problem lol. I don't particularly like using that word in a mafia game though.
When you are called out by your past day who was extremely wolfsidey, how is a legit towny approach to push with gaslight/hyperbole whoever is noting that??

That's just not town
At this point I've seen what I can in like the 7 hours I've been physically available. The trains right now are fine, maybe I'll switch maybe I won't. I acknowledge the thoughts on Alison. Think it would be a bit easier if everyone was on board, but illario is hedging a bit on that slot, and idk what I think of that

I think there is specific grouping mainly porscha, betzy, Rondo that contains at least one wolf, I mean for fucks sake, Rondo is still voting themself.

Like I said before I will be biased in my approach to Alison, so ill follow the majority there, given I haven't been able to form my own opinion on that slot
Hahah I love that you being angry at me voting myself is like 50% of the posts that I see from you

It's extra funny since Millium spent a large part of D1 voting themselves

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:28 am If Alison dies and flips green kill me

Y'all heard it

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:25 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:23 am Good morning. I see Santygrass is still peddling lies about me. Let me be clear: at no point in this game have I lied or gaslighted anyone. All my assertions have been based on truth; where they have been mistaken I have corrected them immediately. People are trying to use a single wrong misphrasing of mine to say that I have been pushing untruths the whole game and this is a desperate attempt by mafia to frame me. I am feeling extremely good about how they will all be outed once I flip.

Re: the ping about Mac's scum range - I had him as lock mafia before the Belzy green check
alison i know u wanna be a martyr but i really think this game becomes so much harder to win if u die. can u pls be the badass boss the lobby needs u to be and towntell ur way out of death and help bury porcha today. i really gtg now so thisll be my last post until im back before eod

I'm not being a martyr lol. If you guys want to exe Belzy or Porscha I am happy as long as you don't shit up the thread with 500 pages of this stuff D3. But being realistic I can see that a lot of scummy slots are voting me and therefore I think the mafia are basically outing to all vote me. So if they want to do that then I have to take into account the possibility that I am gonna go over and make sure people remember how to act in that scenario

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:25 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:23 am Good morning. I see Santygrass is still peddling lies about me. Let me be clear: at no point in this game have I lied or gaslighted anyone. All my assertions have been based on truth; where they have been mistaken I have corrected them immediately. People are trying to use a single wrong misphrasing of mine to say that I have been pushing untruths the whole game and this is a desperate attempt by mafia to frame me. I am feeling extremely good about how they will all be outed once I flip.

Re: the ping about Mac's scum range - I had him as lock mafia before the Belzy green check
Do you think your wagon is pure?

Alison Voters: EnderWiggin, Chamomile, santygrass, MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Ender is on thin ice and has been playing scummy all game but has been protected by an aro shield
Chamomile is either 3P or inting.
Santygrass is outed mafia.
MacDougall is green checked.
Nanook should be killed D5 if he hasn't been cleared by then but you can leave him alone for a bit.

Illario don't get wrapped up in the argument on whether or not it's townie for me to lie. I can lie as town but I have not done so at all this game. People are just losing their minds because I wrote "this game" instead of "this day" and then said it was hyperbole like 5 posts later. Santy has no leg to stand on so he is trying to grasp at straws to argue I am mafia because he is a wolf pushing an agenda. You will not win unless you see this and sheep my legacy.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:24 am Eh, hard disagree. No one really has a skill issue. Everyone can be good if the game is in a style that engages them. Everyone is always bullshitting in a game of Mafia. Some people just put on a veneer thats shiner than others and claim they are good.

There are definitely players who are better or worse at a game of mafia and most people who deny this are trying to feel better about themselves

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:24 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:22 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:22 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:20 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:19 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:18 am And like, I was pushing Alison before she outed fmpov fow their D1. And I dont feel like Im the only one seeing that?

So in this case I am asking you for something more than 'trust me bro' because I also have confidence on my read and the way I am feeling about Alison
u are pushing alison for being alison my dude

i cant defend that because that is just how she is, its not AI
The wolfsiding D1 was Alison being Alison?
Their push on a scumread that I also think is scum being only a votepark is Alison being Alison?
yes, it is a player who pushes what they believe in. she is human, she can be incorrect. esp in a massive lobby with 100 pages of spam.
In which she is the second high poster
okay fine, so by that logic if she dies and flips town mac is outed right? hes the top poster and was heavily influential in aro and alison being voted out. your own logic should mean mac is outed the moment alison flips green?

This is my exact logic for reading Mac lock scum before the Belzy green check.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:20 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:19 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:18 am And like, I was pushing Alison before she outed fmpov fow their D1. And I dont feel like Im the only one seeing that?

So in this case I am asking you for something more than 'trust me bro' because I also have confidence on my read and the way I am feeling about Alison
u are pushing alison for being alison my dude

i cant defend that because that is just how she is, its not AI
The wolfsiding D1 was Alison being Alison?
Their push on a scumread that I also think is scum being only a votepark is Alison being Alison?

Yeah I voted town D1 and then voted nothing but scum D2, 50% hit rate I guess. Below average for me but not too bad since scum is only 20% of the game.

Good morning. I see Santygrass is still peddling lies about me. Let me be clear: at no point in this game have I lied or gaslighted anyone. All my assertions have been based on truth; where they have been mistaken I have corrected them immediately. People are trying to use a single wrong misphrasing of mine to say that I have been pushing untruths the whole game and this is a desperate attempt by mafia to frame me. I am feeling extremely good about how they will all be outed once I flip.

Re: the ping about Mac's scum range - I had him as lock mafia before the Belzy green check

right im gonna head to bed. peace all

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:36 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:35 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:34 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:33 pm why ender btw illario
im trying to figure out who would have the most wolfy vote on u and i suppose its ender? (im probs being uncharitable here because i dont even remember his push on you lol)
cham if not santy
i think cham playing the way he has is towny specifically for cham but i probs wont hard shield the slot if others disagree with my read

You have a meta shield?

Also is it a hard town shield or could be 3p shield

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:37 pm I have very little interest in vocalising my opinions right now. I will keep reading but I don't feel like discussing peoples alignments as I feel like every time I get into a discussion with someone on topic in this game I get my character and personality attacked and I just cannot deal with it anymore. When my arguments get reduced and hurled back at me as personal attacks mafia isn't worth it anymore.

Take a break come back tomorrow. We are chillin rn im going to sleep soon

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:33 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:32 pm Guys is food wars a good anime
It depends on what you are looking for.
I have heard it has some really weird hentai noises during the food tasting scenes and I am hoping to lowkey embarass my partner if we watch it together. As well as learn some nice recipes to try together and maybe watch a cute romance sideplot if there's one since she's into that. Nothing fancy
Yeah the food orgasms are def a part of it.

The recipes tend to be a little hard to replicate imo, but def possible to absorb some stuff or learn about ingredients.

It has a romantic sideplot but I think its one of the stuff that is poorly developed imo

Rip

Maybe the new soccer anime will be good then

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:35 pm Food wars I think is a shonen with a super unique concept and the early seasons are okay~ . They have characters I really like and stuff. They are prominent in the ecchi and have some obvious problems in developing certain stuff, but the early seasons I think are really easy to enjoy

any romances and are they good?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:34 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:33 pm why ender btw illario
im trying to figure out who would have the most wolfy vote on u and i suppose its ender? (im probs being uncharitable here because i dont even remember his push on you lol)

cham if not santy

also illario and mac should probably hash out ender since illario thinks ender is out and mac thinks ender is a super town slot on play

i've made my view of ender clear but you two need to resolve it since i think you're v/v and only one of you can be correct

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:32 pm Guys is food wars a good anime
It depends on what you are looking for.

I have heard it has some really weird hentai noises during the food tasting scenes and I am hoping to lowkey embarass my partner if we watch it together. As well as learn some nice recipes to try together and maybe watch a cute romance sideplot if there's one since she's into that. Nothing fancy

why ender btw illario

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:30 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:28 pm The point of anti spew is to not have any spew

So analyzing the spew of a player in anti spew seems pointless/tea leaf reading at best and falling into a trap at worst

If Porscha is indeed mafia they are 1000% in anti spew
i do not believe porscha was in antispew day 1

I'll take a look tomorrow, right now I'm getting ready for bed

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