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i said my poe is those 2 + windwardDarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:58 am @Alison you were convincing me with observations made about Sabi being bad, but currently you are not voting Sabi or Mr. It's on Windward. Im confused
im pretty sure ive written similar things as both alignmentsMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:48 amSeems she feels need toWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:17 pmWellMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pmLevel zero read:
It's less likely a town writes
the first seven words
I'd never write the first 7 words because I'm not in school anymore
So tbf I wouldn't read into that, but why do you think it's less likely town writes that?
justify where her shift in
opinion came from
i mean i guess it could given the hydra game but im hopeful that was an aberration caused by psychedelics in the water supply instead of something we should take as a rule of thumb for evaluating wagon compositionsAlison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:55 pm eh no it might be optimal to resolve the counterwagon on D2
but POE my wagon has to be right after I flip at least, because there's no way that at least 1 mafia didn't try to vote me, like it can't be that all the mafia bussed and all the people voting me are trolling towns
actually true hmmSabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:11 pmHe doesn't anymore. He ignored Michelle and Michelle was town. He worships Michelle.
yes and he responds to being caught by ppl like you jess alexa etc. with fawning when you are town... explain the discrepancy please. Played with him for 3 years and never seen him deviate from that pattern
it's probably NAICape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:32 pmthis post reminded me of a thought I hadAlison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:33 pmi think we've all randed mafia with afk teammates enough to know that pinging them in scumchat and go "yo you're getting run up" doesn't do anything. lolnutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:29 pm The silly premise is that -- the argument that does exist for the idea of pressuring a zero poster is not that they are lurking the thread but that they have teammates in mafia chat who would alert them to their pressure and remind them to post. I do think that this is a silly premise that almost never comes up in reality. However, you did not even consider that and only assumed Lime would have to discover the vote on his own. Hence it could be that you know there's no chance Lime would have a wolf chat to notify him
Yes it's a stretch but occasionally minor perspective issues like this are legit
I feel like the low posters of night 0 are more likely to be wolf, like 10 posts under/or fluffing the entire time.
I just remember when I was in Battle of the Bands mafia as mafia, and this game was sort of nightless, but while town was posting content then, i was like "haha no im not gonna do that" like the entire game, and i feel like the same can be said for people participating in night 0 of this game, probably to a lesser extent but still.
I'm just going to say it. People who don't play with level zero conclusions are bad at mafia. Or they're good in spite of the fact that they don't play with level zero conclusions.Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:09 pmIt doesn't matter. You play with level zero conclusions and Guillo can be an egoistical scum as well.
One mash he invented an event puzzle to keep town busy and it worked very well. The fact he run out of patience it's not the reason I consider him town, it was his content who feels towny, content you ignored in the moment you voted him
i think we've all randed mafia with afk teammates enough to know that pinging them in scumchat and go "yo you're getting run up" doesn't do anything. lolnutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:29 pm The silly premise is that -- the argument that does exist for the idea of pressuring a zero poster is not that they are lurking the thread but that they have teammates in mafia chat who would alert them to their pressure and remind them to post. I do think that this is a silly premise that almost never comes up in reality. However, you did not even consider that and only assumed Lime would have to discover the vote on his own. Hence it could be that you know there's no chance Lime would have a wolf chat to notify him
Yes it's a stretch but occasionally minor perspective issues like this are legit
It also used to be the norm on syndicate that dead people cant get a win even if their faction doesMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:08 amNo claiming etc used to be the norm on Syndicate, if I recall correctly.Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:01 pmAgreed.
What is the fucking point of limiting us this way?
I like it tbh.
yeah could be I guess
alison's scum list:Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:11 pmAre you bad at reading? I only tr one and either sl or null read the other four...Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:09 pmok, so I put forward 5 names as scum, you think two are town, one is null, and the others could easily be scum?
how is that different from my typical town game in any way? every single time we're both town I tunnel someone early on for reasons you think are shit... sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm not, but it beggars belief to think that you would find this a huge swing in behavior.
what happened to "good luck mislunching me"? now it's "I die all the time... your problem if you're wrong on me!!"WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:08 pmi die all the time as town, you think it matters? as long as i'm not the lylo mislunch that's everyone else's problem and not mine.Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:07 pmWhy are you wishing me luck, you are gonna die with this approach of yours, no, good luck to you staying alive girlWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:05 pmgood luck lolGuillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:04 pmI insistWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:19 pm I never got notified of the tag, but hey, I found the thread.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
full disclosure there are at least 4 names here that I'd strongly consider voting. If you're on that list and you're town, you'd better convince me of it.
and no, i'm not giving the list, it's in the N0 thread. do the work yourself.
[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine
ok, so I put forward 5 names as scum, you think two are town, one is null, and the others could easily be scum?
Was she in that game too?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:06 pmit's a sucky read because i saw him coast as scum in a game when people kept dismissing him as "in his town meta" when apparently he was not
I mean I don't think nutella's defense of falcon is clearing or anything. She could be mafia TMI-ing him too. In fact as mafia she is a TMI machine.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:05 pmokAlison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:03 pmWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:00 pmdo you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:58 pmI think falcon is obvious town too.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:56 pm and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.
Not for saying I am town though lol.It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).
i'm gonna give falcon some thought
i will also give you some thought
but i still think nutella's response to me was off
FWIW I don't think falcon sucks as wolf. I've made that clear in the past. I just happen to have a good read on him, not because he's a shit wolf, but because he's a player that I naturally read accurately. Same as how people like dunia or Dizzy naturally have a good read on me.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:00 pmdo you agree with nutella's take that falcon is interactive enough to be towny, or do you have other reasons?Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:58 pmI think falcon is obvious town too.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:56 pm and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.
Not for saying I am town though lol.
It's mostly just vibes for me. If I had to put words to it I think I would say that he has a sense of fluidity to his posts and a related propensity to poke at people (eg. when he had a little bite in his tone after guillo fought with him) that he struggles to authentically replicate as scum. You can call it a tone read if you want but I have a good track record of reading falcon confidently and early (and I usually TMI him a lot as mafia, so you should trust my read on him either way).better not let sabi catch you tossing around level 0 answers, they might declare your reads cotton candy!Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:00 pmwhy are you so grumpy? I partially do not get this about you and leetic, level 0 answer is you didn't get the rand you wanted so you are throwing a tamper tantrum in threadWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:21 pmI never said nutella called falcon scum, I said I'M not calling falcon TOWN. because nut said i should just call falcon town for whatever fucking reason when I don't even townread him. nutella called falcon town for interacting with the thread but I stand by my call that it was all fluff.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:18 pm Catching up now since i missed a lot of night 0
[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine
for now because
1. I was suspicious of #61 because I feel like it was WWA shading for the sake of shading. Like as town WWA would just ignore it as implied in their post, but for some reason they feel the need to comment on it. Also it's just ??? because it isn't an opening that made people feel less welcome, dunno what that was about.
2. #190 kind of solidified it for me. Like nutella isn't calling falc scum here, they are shading you for the same reason I am, it doesn't have anything to do with me thinking falcon is explicity town *(though I have taken note there were people that have defended falcon, kinda wanna look at that as soon as i read up on stuff).
I have read both Dizzy's and MR's content from night 0, thanks for coming to my TED talk because i have nothing to say about either one right now LOL
Oh and I also disliked #250 from porscha, seemed rather overthought out
I think nutella's just covering for falcon tbh.
I strongly believe in thinking in a strictly black and white way in every aspect of your life.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:57 pm Honestly
Calm down the lot of you
We are early game
We can do better than black and white
So you're just blatantly lying to the thread at this point because I am probably the most ardent advocate of level 0 scumhunting in the entire community and constantly tell people not to overthink it.
I think falcon is obvious town too.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:56 pm and nutella is significant because i think her handling of falcon was weird
when i said that falcon and guillo weren't partnered, i had a more specific thought that guillo was towny, but i initially thought falcon was scummy off his opener. but when there was the whole back-and-forth regarding sabi's opener, falcon and guillo were clashing, so instead of giving individual reads on them i said i'm reading them as unpaired. which to me makes perfect sense because i scumread one and townread the other at the time.
that being said, by the time i came back to the thread, people were correcting me and saying that falcon always opens with "i am town" every time and it's not alignment-indicative, which, ok, fine. but nutella said falcon should be townread off his interaction and that instead of saying he's unpaired with guillo, i should call falcon town. and i don't particularly think falcon is towny so I want to press nutella first to see if it's tmi or if she's defending her partner. either way i don't think it came across as natural.
well you know I'm not going to vote you day 1 regardless so I'm going to take a leaf from WWA's book and say that you should focus on doing your own thing and I'll find you town if you are. Probably after you catch a mafia which shouldn't be too hard if you're town... the last 5 times I doubted you as T/T and trusted you to come through if you are, I managed to get there on you sooner or later.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:52 pmAwAlison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:50 pmreally bad sign from youDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:48 pm Alison, you're kind of being full of bs as far as I can see, if I am to be all the way honest
really bad sign from youDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:48 pm Alison, you're kind of being full of bs as far as I can see, if I am to be all the way honest
Other 2 or other 3? You said 4 total, so minus me, that's 3 moreWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:45 pmI didn't want them to literally towncase themselves. I want them to show it by just doing their thing and posting. I find people when they show with their actions and words that they're town, not when they give a whole bullshit towncase on themselves. Because frankly, even if I'm town, if I towncase myself it is complete bullshit lol.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:41 pmconsidering that you started off with "there's 4 people in this thread I would happily vote and they need to convince me that they are town"... you seem perfectly happy to accept the idea that players can and should towncase themselves early on lolWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:38 pm why would i waste my energy towncasing myself? it's the start of D1, what the fuck am i supposed to say? "hey guys i'm town" is the dumbest shit ever and I refuse to do that.
if you're town, go make other reads and draw your own conclusions. if you're scum and my reads are wrong i'm not going to do the work for you.
and yeah I'm talking about other reads, like #42 is all about sabi... it's not like you're the only person I've been focused on in this thread, whereas as far as I can tell, pretty much 100% of your substantive content in this thread has been about me.
The other 2 people in my scumreads haven't posted in this thread yet, and neither has nutella, so yeah I am entirely focused on you right now. I'm not dead set on all of my scumreads being lockscum, but I need a starting point to hunt and I have that. The best way to read a player is to engage directly with them imo.
considering that you started off with "there's 4 people in this thread I would happily vote and they need to convince me that they are town"... you seem perfectly happy to accept the idea that players can and should towncase themselves early on lolWindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:38 pm why would i waste my energy towncasing myself? it's the start of D1, what the fuck am i supposed to say? "hey guys i'm town" is the dumbest shit ever and I refuse to do that.
if you're town, go make other reads and draw your own conclusions. if you're scum and my reads are wrong i'm not going to do the work for you.
Who's mafia?
I'm not complaining at all.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:34 pmok let me ask you something
if you're town then why would you be complaining that i'm not voting you?? i'm not stupid, i'm not going to OMGUS you when I actually feel there are better places for me to place my vote first.
so calm the fuck down.
