The Syndicate

alternatively i'm about to be wrong for the 5th time on that read, but i love making it

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:40 am I had looked at Bo's ISO last night, and I got some bad vibes from it. Then Joseph said something negative about Bo that I agreed with or at least was willing to sheep. And the "I forgot who ted was" thing strikes me as a not-entirely-genuine mistake (probably with a real core) that is getting played up to cultivate a slightly derpy harmless-town look.

this is another thing that i didn't like - but it's mostly based on the way it's presented.

"got some bad vibes from it" and no further elaboration. why not explain what it was you felt was weird about bo?

i must have made this read at least 4 times and have been wrong every single time, but that's not gonna stop me. wolves in multiball have some subconscious "tells" or i guess some gut things that are hard to explain. it's because they are a wolf and they have like this higher sense of what is villagery and what is wolfy, and in multiball, a lot of wolves get gut pinged on stuff that they can't explain. it ~could be this scenario.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:48 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:42 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:39 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:37 am My first instinct is that Long Con is doing that incredulous town thing where you dismiss an idea that sounds unlikely on the surface even if it really isn't farfetched. I probably won't take that read anywhere though, because it's tiny and weak. Long Con told me not to force it.
I'm not clear - what idea am I dismissing?
The notion that two mafia would act as the only two votes for the same player halfway through Day 1. I would find that rather unremarkable.
I'm not dismissing that. You asked me for a reason why two mafia might want to NOT vote the same person. I came up with one and told you that the point isn't relevant.
I'm referring to your initial response to Oddmerta's gripe. Whatever though, I don't view this dialogue as being especially informative.
Would you like it to be? I can explain my point again, since you missed it.

My point is that Oddmerta is using the fact that I voted alongside someone that Odd suspects, as evidence that I'm bad.

I don't think that's genuine logic. Two scum CAN vote together, but is such a thing SO LIKELY that you form a suspicion on one player merely because that player voted alongside another? Of course not, that is not logical at all. Furthermore, Oddmerta fluffed it off and didn't confront or clarify that accusation, which looks bad.

so, this isn't w/w at the very least

I also think it makes no sense - like yeah, the argument is pretty weird, but is it that wolfy that you get hung up on it like this?

it feels pretty lawyer-y and robotic in its' presentation. "it could be this, but is such a thing THAT LIKELY that he'd believe it?" which doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

i can sort of see what he means but i think the delivery is a bit bad, maybe

and besides, look at what i've coloured

i don't see why he's so hung up on this, once again

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:45 pm ted you can just ignore him. it’s really not difficult. i find it hard to believe that if sloonei didn’t make that post to you you would currently be pumping out solving. stop with this nonsense please. you clearly don’t want to do anything and that’s on you, not anyone else

i was literally posting stuff and got interrupted in the middle of it with a big ass shade

i hope you'll feel absolutely amazing after my flip, most of my content today was only addressing your tunnel that you probably won't even shift from

and you keep asking me questions like you want your mind changed / it's gonna change

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:40 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:38 pm gj for doing wolves work and providing them with easy votes on me, what can i say
I actually feel like my read on you is being roundly ignored, and most of those votes were there before I said a word about you.

as in you don't allow me to do work that would otherwise have a chance of changing people's votes

and you keep me in constant defence mode

grats

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:39 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:39 pm we get it bro, you think i'm a wolf

let me do my thang
that is all i am asking for.

what

i've made probably around 3 posts in the thread and then you come in with this post

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:09 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:07 pm gl to my fellow slankers after my demise
If this is a suggestion that you are being suspected for slanking, that is highly inaccurate.

Anyway, you got a reads list or anything for us? I am an undecided voter and you absolutely have the power to sway me.
i haven't been able to fully read the thread for reasons that have ended now, but i'm gon die. i don't have a list, i was working on not kansas city people.

out of not consensus people, i had pingy stuff on kza and oddmerta, but as i understand it, they've both claimed some trooper stuff? idek what that is
You seem to know an awful lot about the claims for someone who hasn't read the thread.

you serious?

we get it bro, you think i'm a wolf

let me do my thang

if that isn't #tunnel city, then idk what is

idek what you're doing - whenever i'm in thread you are painting me wolfy when i'm gonna get flipped and not letting me do anything

gj for doing wolves work and providing them with easy votes on me, what can i say

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:32 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:30 pm you may think i'm scum but your last 10 posts towards me were based entirely on assumptions that i'm wolf and you're making stuff up to believe it
What have I made up?

everything

but rn, you're probably thinking that because i know about the roles and not the entire other things that i'm somehow a wolf for it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:32 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:26 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:09 pm

If this is a suggestion that you are being suspected for slanking, that is highly inaccurate.

Anyway, you got a reads list or anything for us? I am an undecided voter and you absolutely have the power to sway me.
i haven't been able to fully read the thread for reasons that have ended now, but i'm gon die. i don't have a list, i was working on not kansas city people.

out of not consensus people, i had pingy stuff on kza and oddmerta, but as i understand it, they've both claimed some trooper stuff? idek what that is
You seem to know an awful lot about the claims for someone who hasn't read the thread.
good job pointing out what i've already said, i have skimmed ldo
So you skimmed enough to suspect Odd and KZA, and enough to know that they have mechanical information on their side, but nothing more than that?
who ever said i don't know nothing more than that?

stop making assumptions dood
I asked you for reads and your response was "i haven't been able to fully read the thread for reasons that have ended now." So you started by framing yourself as being uninformed/not caught up. If you could spill everything you have without that qualifer, that'd be great.

bro, i said i've been skimming stuff.

just because i don't have a list of reads doesn't mean i haven't read at least a few parts of the thread

you may think i'm scum but your last 10 posts towards me were based entirely on assumptions that i'm wolf and you're making stuff up to believe it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:26 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:09 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:07 pm gl to my fellow slankers after my demise
If this is a suggestion that you are being suspected for slanking, that is highly inaccurate.

Anyway, you got a reads list or anything for us? I am an undecided voter and you absolutely have the power to sway me.
i haven't been able to fully read the thread for reasons that have ended now, but i'm gon die. i don't have a list, i was working on not kansas city people.

out of not consensus people, i had pingy stuff on kza and oddmerta, but as i understand it, they've both claimed some trooper stuff? idek what that is
You seem to know an awful lot about the claims for someone who hasn't read the thread.
good job pointing out what i've already said, i have skimmed ldo
So you skimmed enough to suspect Odd and KZA, and enough to know that they have mechanical information on their side, but nothing more than that?

who ever said i don't know nothing more than that?

stop making assumptions dood

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:09 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:07 pm gl to my fellow slankers after my demise
If this is a suggestion that you are being suspected for slanking, that is highly inaccurate.

Anyway, you got a reads list or anything for us? I am an undecided voter and you absolutely have the power to sway me.
i haven't been able to fully read the thread for reasons that have ended now, but i'm gon die. i don't have a list, i was working on not kansas city people.

out of not consensus people, i had pingy stuff on kza and oddmerta, but as i understand it, they've both claimed some trooper stuff? idek what that is
You seem to know an awful lot about the claims for someone who hasn't read the thread.

good job pointing out what i've already said, i have skimmed ldo

idk if it's 4, from what i skimmed i believed that to be the number, or maybe i just made it up in my head for whatever reason

either way - if every single trooper could just claim, then it's likely there's at least one mafia in there. no way you allow troopers to claim and have 4 confirmed town.

so at least that's a bad reason for clearing #trooperz

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:09 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:07 pm gl to my fellow slankers after my demise
If this is a suggestion that you are being suspected for slanking, that is highly inaccurate.

Anyway, you got a reads list or anything for us? I am an undecided voter and you absolutely have the power to sway me.

i haven't been able to fully read the thread for reasons that have ended now, but i'm gon die. i don't have a list, i was working on not kansas city people.

out of not consensus people, i had pingy stuff on kza and oddmerta, but as i understand it, they've both claimed some trooper stuff? idek what that is

and bo, i'd typically agree with the notion that town are more uncertain about their reads

but you're giving fingers townpoints for saying that, which anyone could, even wolves. just because they say they are uncertain, it doesn't mean they don't have TMI.

gl to my fellow slankers after my demise

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:34 am Love you fingers hang in there buddy

Life can be annoying for """low""" posters on syndicate sometimes

Spoiler: show

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:34 am I think his reads are genuine

specifically stuff like oddmerta meta that he said before hally but was the exact same conclusion

similarly I agree he wouldn't just randomly vote marmot as a partner there

he's similar in play and in treatment to mtg mafia where he didn't do a lot and people scum read him but I felt like what he posted was real

and he was town there

correction : was the only person to vote on a mafia 2 days in a row, got yeeted for it

any shot at anybody else dying over me today or should i do something better with my time

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:33 am i finished iso’ing oddmerta and have confirmed that he doesn’t have a single villagery thought or post in his iso. there is nothing i can point to and go “odd is trying to solve the game.” the few reads he’s given look fake. his tone/attitude could perhaps be construed as villagery but i think they’re just his personality and NAI. i don’t see any reason why he’s a villager

I’ve made an early read sorta like that and MACDOUGALL and ALISON claimed he’s an innocent child

alright it's getting boring

later

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:55 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 pm ted, mac iso’d falcon after that and rescinded/said falcon wasn’t a priority for him
i guess i should've expected that, since he changes his reads all the damn time

unless it's me, then he never does
Why don't you go thru my ISO and give me a read instead of parroting others?

i don't feel like it atm

u mad?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:55 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama
i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison
So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

Just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks eh?
you're speaking big words for someone that has not addressed me at least once in this game
Right back at ya buttercup

i have not said anything boo

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 pm ted, mac iso’d falcon after that and rescinded/said falcon wasn’t a priority for him

i guess i should've expected that, since he changes his reads all the damn time

unless it's me, then he never does

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol
i thought everyone said he’s a villager?
had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama
i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison
So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

Just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks eh?

you're speaking big words for someone that has not addressed me at least once in this game

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:48 pm I was unable to draw anything conclusive from Marmot's handling of al_sama and vice versa. Marmot left him alone until right before the deadline when they became competing wagons. That could easily be indicative of a partnership. Or it might not be. It's all WIFOM at that point.

probably the correct take

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol
i thought everyone said he’s a villager?
had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama
i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison
So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:44 pm well since marmot's role was described as "very good", marmot trying to bus Al to preserve the superkill isn't out of the picture.

i guess not, all he needed was one night

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:41 pm macdougall you still suck at reading me

should stop trying

macdougall you still suck at reading me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:54 pm Town pile
Alison*
Esooa
falcon45ca
MacDougall
Oddmerta*
Sloonei
Strawhenge
*reassess this interplay if and only if there is no appropriate explanation for future life, let them sort themselves

Close enough pile
BoKnows
staypositivefriend
Hally/tutuu

Backup POE pool
fingersplints
Justplayingitcool
Michelle

POE pool
Dom
KZA
Long Con
Nanook
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime

probably a few people from the other team are in here then

al was his later addition

if kansas city's super kill has died...

is it reasonable to believe that the other team went for jjj? since he died to a super kill

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:24 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:21 pm i thiiiiink al is not teamed with marmot

i don't think i have good reasons
marmot hard pushed al at EoD

yeah, but the argument flies around that it could've been bussing a worse role

i think he genuinely thought he could get away with it and the contradiction he saw was the holy grail. he's set up his potential al vote even before that too.

doesn't feel like a bus

i thiiiiink al is not teamed with marmot

i don't think i have good reasons

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:50 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:49 am esooa's reaction to the potentiality of the game being multiball precludes her from being on a team in a multiball world
No it does not

Why are we in a multiball world now

tsp was never arguing we ARE in a multiball world

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:12 pm something's off about kza's page 1 to me

does anyone else get that feeling i've described? "reasonable wolf making the most sense and mediating reads between people so they are as correct as possible" seems like the best way I can put it

maybe not even that, i'm having trouble putting my finger on it. idk if it's a playstyle thing yet, though. it;s like they're exploring more the accuracy of the read than who it comes from.

didn't get to reading their full ISO

this type of read is probably less accurate in multiball, but still

something's off about kza's page 1 to me

does anyone else get that feeling i've described? "reasonable wolf making the most sense and mediating reads between people so they are as correct as possible" seems like the best way I can put it

maybe not even that, i'm having trouble putting my finger on it. idk if it's a playstyle thing yet, though. it;s like they're exploring more the accuracy of the read than who it comes from.

didn't get to reading their full ISO

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:41 pm ted reminds me of one of the goofiest sequences i've seen in a long time:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.
I am not rearranging these posts. These are two things that Marmot said, in this order, four minutes apart from each other. Post #1 asserts a firm town read on LC. Post #2 states directly that is intending to ISO LC. Usually we ISO players because we are lacking clear or cohesive reads on them. But Marmot had just told us he had a clear or cohesive read on LC four minutes earlier.

What do people make of this? Is the awkwardness just a result of Marmot's alignment? Or does it suggest anything special about LC?

in comparison with how he treated other people - it looked pretty bad to me

BoKnows, TSP, me - he had a sort of pattern of making a fast, snappy read with minimum interaction, but the thing with LC looks pretty different to how he treated the general PoE

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:38 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:33 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:27 pm Michelle - what do you think of Al's push on me?

seems pretty weird to me generally speaking, his most confident scum read on d1 is someone that "isn't tunneling" so he's mafia", even though I believe he's seen me play as a mafia before and I'm usually even more tunnely as mafia on AB

there's almost no post that he read from my iso and thought "this looks weird"
@AL_sama you could clarify this as well

but before saying anything, how did you catch up on the game? did you read the entire thread? or how did you read the game
They said in one of their last posts they read “pretty much most of it”

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:47 am
AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:45 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:21 am
AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:19 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:06 am

Read the next 12 pages and give us your summary, thoughts and your reads
well I m reading but tell me something is it usual for tututu dip like this??
hi, tutuu didn’t dip. i replaced her
ah I missed that
how much of the thread have you read? what are your thoughts?
pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

well, that doesn't look too good then

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.
I don't really get this post. LC isn't even a wagon.

guess he wasn't

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

any idea if long con was ever a top wagon at any point?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:32 pm Al plays very similar as vibe with his town games.
I don't know why you call him scum and he receives a lot of pressure and suspicion.
He can be scum, but also he can be a villager who's wrong about you.

i'm not yet calling him scum, i've actually said yesterday i thought he was pretty =rand even though he probably looked like a mafia

just exploring stuff

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:27 pm Michelle - what do you think of Al's push on me?

seems pretty weird to me generally speaking, his most confident scum read on d1 is someone that "isn't tunneling" so he's mafia", even though I believe he's seen me play as a mafia before and I'm usually even more tunnely as mafia on AB

there's almost no post that he read from my iso and thought "this looks weird"

@AL_sama you could clarify this as well

but before saying anything, how did you catch up on the game? did you read the entire thread? or how did you read the game

Michelle - what do you think of Al's push on me?

seems pretty weird to me generally speaking, his most confident scum read on d1 is someone that "isn't tunneling" so he's mafia", even though I believe he's seen me play as a mafia before and I'm usually even more tunnely as mafia on AB

there's almost no post that he read from my iso and thought "this looks weird"

Michelle, what do you make of our friend's iso?

are you thinking he's town?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:17 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:14 pm instead of looking for other wolves you're not doing anything better with your time than I am, it's not like you're asking people any questions.

there's at least 5 wolves left
with respect, what are you talking about? there’s been tons of discussion and questioning of people other than you this day. you are not even the lead wagon. when you entered the thread we were discussing michelle and nanook, both of whom are not you, and instead of weighing in on that conversation you brought up the suspicion on you. you are the one who just made the thread about you again

because people keep asking me questions / pushing me

i'm gonna ask them about it at an attempt to sort their push on me at least

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:13 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:01 pm ted can I be blunt with you?

Unless you reveal as innocent child or something similar there is very little that you can do at this point to convince the town that their suspicion of you is wrong. You've been doing this self defense stuff since Night 1 and nobody has been swayed. If you are town, the best way to play to your win condition is to just hunt like a normal person, and leave a strong legacy for town to sheep. People in the POE always have better reads because they have a free cop check on themselves. So if you are town use that to your advantage and give us strong reads to fall back on after you die rather than struggling against an outcome that won't change.
exactly, i know i'm gonna die here for bad reasons

my reads won't really matter in the bigger scheme of things
Your reads only wouldn’t matter after your death if you are revealed to be bad as Alison just explained why you should still post for legacy

nah they won't, i've played enough games

nobody cares about a PoE'd person's reads on D2. there's gonna be new info and generally people play good here, they'll stick to their reads

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