The Syndicate

Thanks for running this game Epignosis. The scrap mechanic was super fun.

Sorry in general to everyone for being so incredibly quiet. I’ve had some super overwhelming work things going on that have just killed my enthusiasm for a lot. I wasn't expecting it to bleed into non-work things when I signed-up but that obviously wasn’t the case.

motobot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:06 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:26 am One thing about Myo is that she's never even denied or addressed the idea that tedxtr blocked her kill on night 2. Absolute radio silence on that, the most damning piece of evidence in the entire game. That is very incriminating. [VOTE: myo] aubergine

Let's shorten this day.

That actually makes sense.

[VOTE: Myo] aubergine

It does not make sense re: my interpretation of the no sharing information rule. I’m on mobile so have no clue how to multilink comments but it should only be a few comments above.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:09 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:30 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:26 am One thing about Myo is that she's never even denied or addressed the idea that tedxtr blocked her kill on night 2. Absolute radio silence on that, the most damning piece of evidence in the entire game. That is very incriminating. [VOTE: myo] aubergine

Let's shorten this day.

Ummm, I’ve not said anything because the rules state that you cannot reveal information. I assume this extends to revealing any PMs or lack of PMs from the host regarding being the target of actions.

You can say "I don't know if ted targeted me or not, but I didn't target anyone that night with anything. Some other force must have stopped the kill." Or "I know people suspect me because of ted's reveal, and I can't prove to you that it wasn't me, but here are some other explanations as to why the kill might have failed."

Instead, you haven't even acknowledged the issue. That looks bad to me.

I’m actually totally lost with the point you’re trying to make here. My interpretation of the rule was that I was not allowed to discuss at all, if I had or had not received any sort of PM from the host. Like theorising vaguely about items/roles is okay, but actively discussing with any additional info that you have (in my case, that I didn't receive any sort of message informing me that I was jailed or doctor saved) it is not. Hence, why I didn’t respond, since I thought it constituted rulebreaking as I wouldn't be vaguely theorising but actually revealing information.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:26 am One thing about Myo is that she's never even denied or addressed the idea that tedxtr blocked her kill on night 2. Absolute radio silence on that, the most damning piece of evidence in the entire game. That is very incriminating. [VOTE: myo] aubergine

Let's shorten this day.

Ummm, I’ve not said anything because the rules state that you cannot reveal information. I assume this extends to revealing any PMs or lack of PMs from the host regarding being the target of actions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:49 pm Myo seems like a civilian again.

I'll vote Jiwon with you to save my own neck if that's a vote that other people can get behind. It's not my first choice but she shows up for this vote despite not having made any comments this phase that I can see. I can certainly see a scenario where she is evil and being prodded to vote this phase since it's been brought up against her (and her name has been tossed around more recently).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm @Myo you recently corrected yourself about Long Con suspecting Sloonei and Mac. You realized you had that wrong. Does that impact your read on Long Con at all?

No. I don't know why I thought it was 'and Sloonie' instead of just MacDougall but my main point was that the suggestion itself was weird and didn't feel like a genuine paranoia read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:57 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:12 pm Long Con and JaggedJimmyJay are still my top 2 wolf picks.

Why

I've already written why Long Con is sus:

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:25 pm Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

The Lon Con answer.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.

Sllonei only works if LC is mafia too yeah?

Nah I clear him because I don't believe that he wouldn't clue Jack in sooner. Jack was totally not realising he was nearly lynched.

Lynch me tomorrow and then win the game for me. Works for me.

This comes across as extremely ’so there’ to me. I don’t think that Lon Con was actually in any danger of being lunched when he commented this and it’s kind of a discussion closer. It seems unnecessary. If it was a joke, then it's gone over my head and stood out in a bad way.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:17 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 amMacDougall bad

Tell me more

Just had the idea that this is a Jack & Mac scheme. Max sudden insight at the eleventh hour and Jack innocently not even knowing the lynch was up, while conveniently being several pages behind and watching Animaniacs... just all kind of convenient. Also Mac keeps listing me as town on his list while calling me scum in the thread, which makes no sense.

I think paranoia is a good mark of townies, it’s hard to fake and have it feel genuine. Lon Con’s tin foil hat theory about Mac and Sloonie being the remaining 2 wolves post-JackofHearts2005 lunch doesn’t feel genuine to me. I expect paranoia theories to either be gradually built, or a snap reaction and this is neither. It’s all over the place, I jusy don’t follow the logic that led him to that conclusion.

Also the argument he has post-JackofHearts2005 lunch. I’d expect a townie to accept it and move on once it becomes obvious they’re getting no credit, he doesn’t.

I'm sus of you because you seem all over the place. You flip-flop back and forth on people all the time and incredibly quickly. And it's never hedged or uncertain. Once phase it's 'X is town' the next 'X is a wolf, lunch them'. It makes it seem like you have no real reads on people. You know who has no real reads on people? Wolves, that's who.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:01 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:12 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:05 pm Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

No that's right. I don't know what you were trying to say in your post. You seemed to suggest you had some kind of hunting work you wanted to do though, so I'll leave you to it.

My opinions haven't changed. Apparently I was the only one to find him sus. He's the top ranked for town points according to your chart, which is indicative of why he was killed. I don't really get that since his comments really don't scream town to me when I read though but whatever.

Who else doesn’t scream town at you?

Long Con and JaggedJimmyJay are still my top 2 wolf picks. If I’m picking a third according to the idea that we need a pool of 3 it would be JiwonMeganPark for her comment about everyone voting you, it came across as opportunistic. There are very few people I implicitly trust. Limited to MacDougall, Nutella and to a slightly lesser extent, you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:12 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:05 pm Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

No that's right. I don't know what you were trying to say in your post. You seemed to suggest you had some kind of hunting work you wanted to do though, so I'll leave you to it.

My opinions haven't changed. Apparently I was the only one to find him sus. He's the top ranked for town points according to your chart, which is indicative of why he was killed. I don't really get that since his comments really don't scream town to me when I read though but whatever.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:05 pm Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:35 pm @Myo @sig what are your thoughts as of this moment?

I think that I have multiple pings from Ted that I cannot respond to now and that I'm not evil. Tedxtr's conclusion in his look into my comments seems like he's just trying to put forward a lunch suggestion that he knows people can get behind (he says this himself in more or less the exact same words). Based on the earlier action from the phase (your little chart with the player rankings) it's pretty clear that I'm the person that the most people (by a grand margin of 1) find sus.

I haven't read through everything yet (I didn't realise that the night phase ended early today) but based on the not huge number of comments I don't think my opinions will have changed that much on who I find sus (although I guess I do need to consider what people have said about suspicions and how Tedxtr's affiliation plays into that).

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:25 pm Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

The Lon Con answer.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.

Sllonei only works if LC is mafia too yeah?

Nah I clear him because I don't believe that he wouldn't clue Jack in sooner. Jack was totally not realising he was nearly lynched.

Lynch me tomorrow and then win the game for me. Works for me.

This comes across as extremely ’so there’ to me. I don’t think that Lon Con was actually in any danger of being lunched when he commented this and it’s kind of a discussion closer. It seems unnecessary. If it was a joke, then it's gone over my head and stood out in a bad way.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:17 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 amMacDougall bad

Tell me more

Just had the idea that this is a Jack & Mac scheme. Max sudden insight at the eleventh hour and Jack innocently not even knowing the lynch was up, while conveniently being several pages behind and watching Animaniacs... just all kind of convenient. Also Mac keeps listing me as town on his list while calling me scum in the thread, which makes no sense.

I think paranoia is a good mark of townies, it’s hard to fake and have it feel genuine. Lon Con’s tin foil hat theory about Mac and Sloonie being the remaining 2 wolves post-JackofHearts2005 lunch doesn’t feel genuine to me. I expect paranoia theories to either be gradually built, or a snap reaction and this is neither. It’s all over the place, I jusy don’t follow the logic that led him to that conclusion.

Also the argument he has post-JackofHearts2005 lunch. I’d expect a townie to accept it and move on once it becomes obvious they’re getting no credit, he doesn’t.

Wow, I just reread this and Lon Con does not at all suggest that Sloonie is a wolf. My brain was to focused on both names at once. I still keep all the other stuff I wrote, I just realised that bit was completely false.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:25 pm Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

The Lon Con answer.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.

Sllonei only works if LC is mafia too yeah?

Nah I clear him because I don't believe that he wouldn't clue Jack in sooner. Jack was totally not realising he was nearly lynched.

Lynch me tomorrow and then win the game for me. Works for me.

This comes across as extremely ’so there’ to me. I don’t think that Lon Con was actually in any danger of being lunched when he commented this and it’s kind of a discussion closer. It seems unnecessary. If it was a joke, then it's gone over my head and stood out in a bad way.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:17 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 amMacDougall bad

Tell me more

Just had the idea that this is a Jack & Mac scheme. Max sudden insight at the eleventh hour and Jack innocently not even knowing the lynch was up, while conveniently being several pages behind and watching Animaniacs... just all kind of convenient. Also Mac keeps listing me as town on his list while calling me scum in the thread, which makes no sense.

I think paranoia is a good mark of townies, it’s hard to fake and have it feel genuine. Lon Con’s tin foil hat theory about Mac and Sloonie being the remaining 2 wolves post-JackofHearts2005 lunch doesn’t feel genuine to me. I expect paranoia theories to either be gradually built, or a snap reaction and this is neither. It’s all over the place, I jusy don’t follow the logic that led him to that conclusion.

Also the argument he has post-JackofHearts2005 lunch. I’d expect a townie to accept it and move on once it becomes obvious they’re getting no credit, he doesn’t.

I'm voting Soneji. Gut feeling is better from sig, his tone is lackadaisical and Sloneji's has that big early post that feels very forced to me and talking some rather innocuous comments too seriosuly.

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:57 pm Myo what is your view of Soneji?

He's 'possibly town' in my rankings. My OG feeling on him is based on his very extended (it was almost a whole day) argument with MacDougall. He stood nothing to gain from it (no town credit or anything like that) and it put him in the spotlight which is the opposite of what a wolf should want on Day 1.

I'm not 100% sure I follow the argument for why he is suspicious; I haven't read through his whole isolated comment history yet. Ultimately if this is where the lunch is likely to be headed I'll divest some time to read it to see if I agree or not.

Why does it keep making me click submit again and again? Booo. Again?

But seriously though, the lunch is super split. Maybe I'll just read both him and sig and then pick.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:57 pm Myo what is your view of Soneji?

He's 'possibly town' in my rankings. My OG feeling on him is based on his very extended (it was almost a whole day) argument with MacDougall. He stood nothing to gain from it (no town credit or anything like that) and it put him in the spotlight which is the opposite of what a wolf should want on Day 1.

I'm not 100% sure I follow the argument for why he is suspicious; I haven't read through his whole isolated comment history yet. Ultimately if this is where the lunch is likely to be headed I'll divest some time to read it to see if I agree or not.

Why does it keep making me click submit again and again? Booo. Again?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:25 pm Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

I think I explained my feelings reguarding Sloonei in an earlier comment so I'm going to drop that below. As I mentioned, I do get that the shift in activity level is in isolation wolfy, but I'm just not convinced of his evilness when I look at Sloonie as a whole.

Myo wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:27 am

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:01 pmJaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

Sloonei is evidentially suspicious and tonally okay. I don't care about my flip flop. I may well do it again. What's your own read on Sloonei?

As it stands, your only clear read remains: MacDougall is town. That's not indicative to me of a player hunting for the mafia team.

I feel pretty okay about Sloonie. He's talkative and analytical and doesn't seem to be particularly twisting comments to fit a specific narrative he's trying to create.

Additionally:
1. I just cannot marry the idea that Jackofhearts2005 and Sloonie are both wolves with Sloonie ranking Jackofhearts2005 top town in his Day 1 player rankings.
2. Jackofhearts2005 again frames his opinion (at least partially) in some else’s logic, this time Slooni’s. Does it make sense for Jackofhearts2005’s to use another wolf’s logic for his vote? My head says no.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:26 pm Jackofhearts2005 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME we must summon the Megazord!

You should know I’m torn between posting Power Ranger memes and just voting LC (cause his push on me was limp and Sloonei’s mini iso on him does show him being scummy) and you know, actually finishing catching up cause I’m only a few pages back.

I'm going to split this up into two comments because I've just spent 10 minutes mucking around with formatting and I still cannot get it to work. Lon Con to follow.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:24 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:16 pm Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

......I see. So you do think LC is scum but he's a less-bad loss if he flips town than a more consensus townie would be (I'm not sure I'd call Sloonei a consensus townie at this point, but that's another conversation)

Umm, yes. Was there a question in there? I'm not 100% sure I understood it correctly.

I think the main point against Sloonei has been the dramatic shift in activity compared to early game, but I don't think that weight strongly against his earlier behaviour which was pretty pro-town in my eyes.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:22 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:32 pm Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.

Why does his opinion matter more than your own when it comes to your vote?

I think that was phrased poorly. I'm still going to vote for you. My point was that I highly doubtful that he (and others) would follow. I'm not voting for Sloonie (the current 2nd place vote getter), he's one of the people that I'm most confident is town. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd far rather have it be a suspicious townie than a wild last minute swing onto someone that is generally regarded as trusted. Suspicious townies muddle the waters, as has been evident.

I don't understand this. Don't you want to vote for someone you think isn't town?

Um, no. I'm not voting Sloonie. I think he's town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:16 pm Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:32 pm Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.

Why does his opinion matter more than your own when it comes to your vote?

I think that was phrased poorly. I'm still going to vote for you. My point was that I highly doubtful that he (and others) would follow. I'm not voting for Sloonie (the current 2nd place vote getter), he's one of the people that I'm most confident is town. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd far rather have it be a suspicious townie than a wild last minute swing onto someone that is generally regarded as trusted. Suspicious townies muddle the waters, as has been evident.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:32 pm Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.

Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.

I don't know what a Trustfall is. If you wanted to make use of the data generated from the good/bad rank already we could assign a score (+1 for town, -1 for wolf) to get a spectrum about how the game as a whole feels about each person. It can also point out people who have an artificially high score which can suggest wolves trusting their teammates whereas nobody else trusting that person.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:50 am

Myo wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.

Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.

I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.

Pocketed?

If you find mentioning being pocketed to be a scum tell, why did you not point it out in Jack’s post?

It wasn't the mention of pocketing, but rather the repeated mention of it. As I wrote in my previous comment, I seemed to have mistrusted other mentions of it to you, since I could only see 1 comment in your history that uses the word when I searched by keyword.

Myo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:19 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:06 am I actually think you guys don’t have the votes tomorrow over say, sig or Soneji so I’m gonna chill for a bit more

If my psychic abilities prove to be shit I probably will demonstrate how scum reading me is an obvious cognitive flaw that will ultimately lead to the impending doom of the cute ships

Actually as I typed this I remembered I’m being suspected by 2 newer players and if they are town, they rarely actually get their minds changed so I guess I have to try hard now, rip me

You’ve mentioned a few times that you are liable to be pocketed which isn’t sitting great with me. Also, the question about the number of wolves felt kind of forced. It’s in the rules so I’m not getting why you would ask instead of flipping to the first page to check? Comes across to me as intentional.

So I just looked your posts and you only mentioned being likely to be pocked once. I must have misattributed other discussions of this to you.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:06 am I actually think you guys don’t have the votes tomorrow over say, sig or Soneji so I’m gonna chill for a bit more

If my psychic abilities prove to be shit I probably will demonstrate how scum reading me is an obvious cognitive flaw that will ultimately lead to the impending doom of the cute ships

Actually as I typed this I remembered I’m being suspected by 2 newer players and if they are town, they rarely actually get their minds changed so I guess I have to try hard now, rip me

You’ve mentioned a few times that you are liable to be pocketed which isn’t sitting great with me. Also, the question about the number of wolves felt kind of forced. It’s in the rules so I’m not getting why you would ask instead of flipping to the first page to check? Comes across to me as intentional.

Voting SpaceDaisy for lunch. I don’t know how to do the aubergine vote formatting so let’s just pretend it looks correct.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:48 am Required exercise for all players

I can't count on running live gun-to-head reads with a small and relatively inactive group. So instead we're going to do them as a take-home exam. Please quote or copy/paste the following player list and indicate for me what your most instinctive read is on that player.

You may not say "null" or "neutral" or "I don't know" or any such thing. You must say either "good" or "bad", or some other equivalent terms e.g. "civilian" or "mafia". Anyone who does not take part in this exercise will be regarded as the enemy.

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay
JiwonMeganPark
Long Con
MacDougall
motobot
Myo
nutella
sig
Sloonei
Soneji
Spacedaisy
tedxtr

JaggedJimmyJay wolf
JiwonMeganPark town
Long Con wolf
MacDougall town
motobot town
Myo town
nutella town
sig town
Sloonei town
Soneji town
Spacedaisy wolf
tedxtr wolf

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:33 pm Yeah yeah I’m sorting the who sometime

I keep mixing up posts from Myo with Jiwon is it just me

I feel like they’re playing in a hydra but from separate accounts

Playing a hydra?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:27 am

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:30 am He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Things that stand out:

Lon Con. Decent number of comments but a lot are arguing about his credit for the Jackofhearts2005 lunch. The beating of a dead horse is ehhhhhhh to me. Reading it back it seems very obvious to me that he isn’t going to get people to agree with him but he keeps going. Strikes me a bit as thread derailment, but it was a night phase, so I’m not actually sure how much merit this point holds since there was no lynch voting ongoing.

What is the message you intend to convey with this read? Is Long Con a mafioso? You seem to drift faintly in that direction, but you remove any clarity from the read with that "but" caveat at the end.

The point that I was trying (and apparently failing) to get across is that I get wolfy feelings from it. It goes from being relatively jokey to actually quite serious. I’d expect a townie to shrug it off as annoying/disappointing whatever when it became obvious that people disagreed with his responsibility for the Jackofhearts2005 vote-out but he doesn’t. Does that make sense? I’m not really sure how to make to point more clearly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:27 am

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:01 pmJaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

Sloonei is evidentially suspicious and tonally okay. I don't care about my flip flop. I may well do it again. What's your own read on Sloonei?

As it stands, your only clear read remains: MacDougall is town. That's not indicative to me of a player hunting for the mafia team.

I feel pretty okay about Sloonie. He's talkative and analytical and doesn't seem to be particularly twisting comments to fit a specific narrative he's trying to create.

Additionally:
1. I just cannot marry the idea that Jackofhearts2005 and Sloonie are both wolves with Sloonie ranking Jackofhearts2005 top town in his Day 1 player rankings.
2. Jackofhearts2005 again frames his opinion (at least partially) in some else’s logic, this time Slooni’s. Does it make sense for Jackofhearts2005’s to use another wolf’s logic for his vote? My head says no.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:26 pm Jackofhearts2005 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME we must summon the Megazord!

You should know I’m torn between posting Power Ranger memes and just voting LC (cause his push on me was limp and Sloonei’s mini iso on him does show him being scummy) and you know, actually finishing catching up cause I’m only a few pages back.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:30 am

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:59 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:09 am I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look

You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?

He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Things that stand out:

Lon Con. Decent number of comments but a lot are arguing about his credit for the Jackofhearts2005 lunch. The beating of a dead horse is ehhhhhhh to me. Reading it back it seems very obvious to me that he isn’t going to get people to agree with him but he keeps going. Strikes me a bit as thread derailment, but it was a night phase, so I’m not actually sure how much merit this point holds since there was no lynch voting ongoing.

JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

After writing this comment I realise that you are the Sloonei I was referring to.

Also, what on earth is linki? I've seen it written a few times. Sorry for all the clarification questions, the new jargon has been a bit overwhelming.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:09 am I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look

You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:52 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:37 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:33 pm

Hacking: You may redirect your target's target to the target of your choice. (12 scrap)

Expensive mod. Would a Civ choose this? Maybe. It's a little like a self-protect from a specific person. I guess it gets more powerful the more Assumed Civs you have.

It could be used as a pseudo-role blocker to search for the killer? Redirect the person you are the most sus of back to themselves to see if the kill goes through (or if they kill themselves). Obviously depends on the OOO, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption that the kill comes later.

Ah, wait no, nevermind. I misread the item description. I though it was a puppeting action, but it is one degree removed pupetting.That doesn't actually work then.

I don't follow?

'redirect your target’s target’

I’m assuming this means that if I target A, and A has an action that should be targeting B, that I then get to puppet B’s action to a third target of my choice. Which seems needlessly complex and room to create a chaos without gaining any meaningful info.

I had thought it was a simple puppet: I target A and get to give him a new target for his action in which case my original suggestion about puppeting someone to self-target stands.

Myo wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:33 pm

Hacking: You may redirect your target's target to the target of your choice. (12 scrap)

Expensive mod. Would a Civ choose this? Maybe. It's a little like a self-protect from a specific person. I guess it gets more powerful the more Assumed Civs you have.

It could be used as a pseudo-role blocker to search for the killer? Redirect the person you are the most sus of back to themselves to see if the kill goes through (or if they kill themselves). Obviously depends on the OOO, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption that the kill comes later.

Ah, wait no, nevermind. I misread the item description. I though it was a puppeting action, but it is one degree removed pupetting.That doesn't actually work then.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:33 pm

Hacking: You may redirect your target's target to the target of your choice. (12 scrap)

Expensive mod. Would a Civ choose this? Maybe. It's a little like a self-protect from a specific person. I guess it gets more powerful the more Assumed Civs you have.

It could be used as a pseudo-role blocker to search for the killer? Redirect the person you are the most sus of back to themselves to see if the kill goes through (or if they kill themselves). Obviously depends on the OOO, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption that the kill comes later.

Ugh, my comment ate itself. Gonna try posting this again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:11 pm The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?

I get good vibes from MacDougall. He talks a lot and it’s jokey and chaotic while still being *mostly* on topic. Chatter generates more chatter and a talkative town certainly has more momentum behind them, so I like that he’s been consistently active in the earliest phases.

The more talkative someone it, the easier it is to get a good feel of their affiliation so this kind of play-style is riskier for a wolf to take on without really getting the benefit of derailing the town, since he’s been mostly on topic.

I like the rapid-fire comments because it seems like he’s saying what’s on his mind here and now without bothering to think though how other people are going to read his comments.

Some of his comment come across as deliberately trying to get under people’s skin? I don’t love the tone of all of them but riling people up to see their reactions isn’t a bad way to get a feel for alignments, although a bit mean IMO.

Also, what is salad?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:51 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 9:46 pm I'm surprised that Daisy hasn't done much today given that she won the last poll.

I don't think SpaceDaisy voted in the poll yesterday though, even though she recieved votes from others.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.

Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.

I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.

Pocketed?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?

You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?

Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?

Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.

How does that affect you going into this game, where those things are not allowed?

I don’t really think it should change things that much for me. I’ve played games before where the seer/power-roles died without revealing and so there were no role-claims/info to be shared late game because the role was already dead. The majority of my town/sus reads tend to be based on comment/vote histories and interactions with other players anyways. Having the power-role info does allows things to ‘slot’ into place and helps guide a bit (contextualise might be a good way of thinking about it) but this is also achieved by alignments shared in the meta when someone is lunched/night killed.

I am very excited for the public vote tallies, which are something I have never seen before.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?

You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?

Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?

Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?

You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?

Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 2:33 pm I offered one single pre-flip associative read in Banjo-Kazooie and it gave me the false confidence to mislynch a civilian who I thought was paired with another civilian on Day 1. Never again!

What does 'pre-flip' mean?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?

You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:54 am Ftr I love talking game design and will happily clutter this thread talking shop if you want to

I actually ran the game back in April. The meta posts I read weren’t actually helpful, since games here seem very different and some of the core assumptions don’t hold over to where I normally play.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:35 am

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:20 am HogwartWerewolves on Reddit?

Yup, so I'm going to have to get used to the forum-style posting and not having comment chains to follow.

How did you hear about Syndicate?

I read a lot of meta posts regarding game design back in the winter when I was preparing to run a game and you all have a few of those that came up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:20 am HogwartWerewolves on Reddit?

Yup, so I'm going to have to get used to the forum-style posting and not having comment chains to follow.

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:11 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:56 am Howdy, @JiwonMeganPark @motobot and @Myo. Where are ya'll from and do I know you by any other names already?

Hola! Did the quote function work? Normally I play at HogwartWerewolves which is a tiny little group so I highly doubt you would know me by another name (and also my name there is almost the same).

Oh, I see, I chopped off the quotation ID initially so it didn't work. Replying to myself to see if it works now.