The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:29 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:04 pm @dunya I looked through your ISO and didn't see you tagging me or asking me anything. Were you thinking of Scotty?

Why do you think you're threadspewed town?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:18 pm I just realized I’m almost at post cap.
DOOM has shortened the day, don’t know when day actually ends. If I’m not engaged with work I’ll try and be around at eod.

HK is a continuation vote and he hasn’t don’t anything today to dissuade me from thinking he’s bad but I also think that srceenplay legit scumslipped. I wouldn’t mind consolidating on either one.

[VOTE: srceenplay] aubergine

It's possible for me that HK is just frozen here cos he has posted nothing to convince me he's town this day phase and has ignored my question.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:23 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:20 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:17 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:17 am min one wolf between scotty/naa/osieorb

It is exactly Scotty.

you think scotty has osie eating out of his hand then?

Yes, I think Osie is the type of player who has certain ideas on how to play the game of mafia, and anything that conflicts with those ideas seems scummy to them. They said as much in a post this game (I'm not going back to look for it) - that they tend to scum read certain playstyles - And they also mentioned playstyles that they disliked when they talked about my wolf chat plan of RoP 1.0 that they didn't like - they also mentioned playstyles & terminology they disliked on one other occasion... Their reads are very very very obviously influenced by playstyle.

I think Osie's reads are purely stylistic reads and that's why I think he's agreeing with Scotty's nonsense.

Aside from that, I think Osie is within their town meta (albeit, limited meta data sample - it's a lot of work to compile).

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:17 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:17 am min one wolf between scotty/naa/osieorb

It is exactly Scotty.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:05 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:52 pm hey guyz here's a dumb tier list:

town
mac
nanook
dunya
creature
scotty
doom

lean town
moonwink
naa
martin
jack

poe
porscha
srceen
andres
marmot
wigly
osieorb

hmu for explanations

how did marmot get in there

what about that dunya read

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:41 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:29 am The following day, after a breakfast or two, the council reconvenes for another exciting day of calm and measured discussion. Some appear shocked that all the members of the council have made an appearance. Were they expecting something else?


Nobody was killed.

Day Two begins now. Post Limits to follow.

Are you shitting me lol. We basically have a 96hr day 1.

Pain in my guts.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:10 pm other than he's trying to bait you

I’m not even trying to bait her!
I’m just fishing for minnows and a goddamn whale shark is pulling on my rod

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:24 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:07 pm Mac and Nanook feel town by attitude

I think I get where you're coming from and yet I'm leaning that they aren't both town, mostly due to individual gut feels. I get more pings in both directions from Nanook, but Mac feels marginally more townie in the process.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:09 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:09 pm Kinda liking what Scotty is doing as well.

We disagree, but that's fine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:33 am so HK you nearly died but didn't... penny for ur thoughts

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:50 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:43 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:41 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:24 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 pm

I actually actively hate the wagons on dunya and Jack. I'm meh on the Nanook wagon.

Okay. Aside from me (and HK, because that's another wagon I'm tired of hearing about), who would you be interested in wagoning at this point? Like, saying "I hate these wagons" is okay, but let's do something about it if you really feel that way.

DrWilgy/MartinGG99/Moonwink/NAA is my current shortlist PoE.

martin I feel ok about, same with naa. moonwink I think is playing this eod really wolfy, and wigly I have no opinion on.
Talk to me about martin maybe?

Martin feels like they're actively not doing anything and their votes/"reads" when present have been wack. Out of 30 posts, they have like half a dozen posts which are actually contributory.

fwiw to me he feels internally consistent and yeah, it's easier for wolves to be consistent perhaps than town, or maybe they're more concerned with being consistent, but I dunno, his last set of posts make me think he's uninformed more than anything else. maybe that's a bad reason to town read him but it's the reason I'm going with.

His last few posts have felt performative, tbh.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:48 pm Self voting and pushing for yourself to die isn't noble or whatever its just bad play

I'm not trying to be noble. I'm trying to 1.) give info to town, 2.) prevent myself from going through ANOTHER game with 51%+ votes to chop where people refuse to work together. It is purely selfish.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:47 pm Should probably kill andres lol

I feel like we've got better opportunities for a hit than a guy who made one post and dipped. But sure, I'll bite. What's the difference between Andres and Porscha?

I'm familiar with andres and I've seen porscha play once

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:46 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:45 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:42 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:40 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:37 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:35 pm @DaughterOfOmega
And these:

Spoiler: show

I can go further back if you really want me to. :3 Again, I've been pushing Screen for a while now. The only reason why I switched gears is because it didn't seem like anybody was listening to me and I really want to get to the 51% votes we need to chop someone today.

"I didn't think anyone was also going on screen play"

Screenplay had the second most votes before I left his wagon

Do you see my dismay

[VOTE: Screen] aubergine
Vote for screen. If you don't, I'm going to take your sudden push on Screen as disingenuous and as an attempt to shade me.
Otherwise, I'm staying on the wagon with the most votes.

why did it take you being tied for top wagon to vote your top wolf read?

I was voting for Screen when I was THE top wagon about 12 hours ago. What are you talking about?

I wasn't here 12 hours ago

I know, which is why I'm informing you that I was voting for Screen earlier, too. Why don't you go read my ISO? :P

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:43 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:41 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:24 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:55 pm I’d yeet Dunya if we have the votes.

Idk what to do with Mac’s assertion that Nanook, Axe and myself are all top town.

It's not so much the assertion that I like. It's the fact that people are A-Okay with you three being the top wagons. We need to shake things up, I feel like.

I actually actively hate the wagons on dunya and Jack. I'm meh on the Nanook wagon.

Okay. Aside from me (and HK, because that's another wagon I'm tired of hearing about), who would you be interested in wagoning at this point? Like, saying "I hate these wagons" is okay, but let's do something about it if you really feel that way.

DrWilgy/MartinGG99/Moonwink/NAA is my current shortlist PoE.

martin I feel ok about, same with naa. moonwink I think is playing this eod really wolfy, and wigly I have no opinion on.
Talk to me about martin maybe?

Martin feels like they're actively not doing anything and their votes/"reads" when present have been wack. Out of 30 posts, they have like half a dozen posts which are actually contributory.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:47 pm Should probably kill andres lol

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:45 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:42 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:40 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:37 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:35 pm @DaughterOfOmega
And these:

Spoiler: show

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:30 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:17 am

Spoiler: show

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

So, the former stuff is what I had thought people were taking issue with as far as HK was concerned. If that had been the case, I would have been "lol, doesn't HK, like, never play D1?", but I didn't see the latter stuff until now. I think I'm okay with the srceen read, but if HK is basing his read on Omega on just that post, I'm feeling meh.

With that said, I still feel worse about srceenplay. A bunch of stuff has been posted, and he's actively voting someone who hasn't given many reads, yet hasn't really defended or shown any interest in the people who ARE actually getting wagoned. It smells like an attempt to be seen as pushing as someone who's not a top wagon, so that when one of the top wagons gets chopped, he doesn't have to take any blame for it if they flip town. This is why I want srceenplay to give a read on me.

If he thinks I'm town, I want him to defend me and yell at the people who are wagoning on me. If he thinks I'm scum, I want him to join my wagon and yell to people that I'm scum. That's the least I'm going to ask for if I'm going to remain a top wagon for now. :P

But yeah, as far as my scum pile goes, I'd be okay with chopping any of srceen, Jack, and Axehole. I talked about Axehole earlier -- didn't really like their responses to me and Scotty while they were talking about me.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:26 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:53 am

I haven't really tried forming a read on you yet. ;-; I figured with Mac and others talking to/about you, I'll have stuff to make a read on you later,

Sassy response. :3 The difference between me and Dunya though is that Dunya isn't one of the top wagons, which is why I don't immediately feel pressured to give a read on her at the moment. I -am- a top wagon, even more so than HK was 12 hours ago, yet you had zero interest in really having any influence in the wagons. THAT is what is scummy to me, not singularly that you don't have a read on me. The latter is just a byproduct of the former.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:59 am

you are a null/scum position. Overly explaining your actions sounds like someone who scared of what people think about them. on the flip side it could be you just want people to understand you. IDK never played with you so, so i can sit back and observe and watch it play out more.

You have talked about reaction testing players. What have you gathered from that?

You're still not taking a position on me. Which do you think it is right now? Do you think it's more likely that I'm scared of what people think about me, or do you I'm just trying to get people to understand me? Again, I'm the top wagon, and you look bad to me right now not having any sort of strong alignment read on me right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:10 am

I’d be fine with it because it means Screen goes over.

That would be my hope, yes. Because I would certainly be voting Screen over you in that case.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:28 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:09 am

Is she talking about your scum-partner? :P

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:30 pm As Scotty has not responded to my plea. Screenplay has received my vote. Let the 4 way tie commence.

Nah. I'm always voting Screenplay here, lol. Sorry friendo. <3

[VOTE: Screenplay] aubergine

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:38 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:33 pm You know why that sounded sassy? Because I copied pasted your reply from basically the same question asked of you.

I'm still indifferent on you and think you could go either way.
I don't want to vote on the same wagon as you because of my uneasiness.
Your not a top scum that I think need to be lynched.
I will vote you towards end of the day if thats what we need for a wagon to go through.

Yes, I know it was copied and pasted from my reply to Dunya. That's why I explained in my post why it was appropriate in my case and super-scummy when you used it towards me. Again, Dunya is NOT a top wagon -- if she was, I would have formed a read on her right there and then. Since she's not at risk of being chopped, I've got time to make a read on her (unless she gets nightkilled n1, in which case, it doesn't really matter what my read on her is).

I, on the otherhand, AM a top wagon, and I don't want you to get away with not having an opinion on me and my alignment if I'm the one that gets chopped today. THAT is why I think your copy-pasted response is scummy when used towards me, but not so when I used it towards Dunya.

I can go further back if you really want me to. :3 Again, I've been pushing Screen for a while now. The only reason why I switched gears is because it didn't seem like anybody was listening to me and I really want to get to the 51% votes we need to chop someone today.

"I didn't think anyone was also going on screen play"

Screenplay had the second most votes before I left his wagon

Do you see my dismay

[VOTE: Screen] aubergine
Vote for screen. If you don't, I'm going to take your sudden push on Screen as disingenuous and as an attempt to shade me.
Otherwise, I'm staying on the wagon with the most votes.

why did it take you being tied for top wagon to vote your top wolf read?

I was voting for Screen when I was THE top wagon about 12 hours ago. What are you talking about?

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:44 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:43 pm Okay, so, I'm giving you guys permission to chop me today, especially if it can unite town.
Once I flip, please take looks at Screen and DOOM. Maybe HK, too, since it felt like the push got SUPER strong against me the moment HK took the lead.
[VOTE: Moonwink] aubergine

Sure, always happy to burn self-votes with fire.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:41 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:24 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:55 pm I’d yeet Dunya if we have the votes.

Idk what to do with Mac’s assertion that Nanook, Axe and myself are all top town.

It's not so much the assertion that I like. It's the fact that people are A-Okay with you three being the top wagons. We need to shake things up, I feel like.

I actually actively hate the wagons on dunya and Jack. I'm meh on the Nanook wagon.

Okay. Aside from me (and HK, because that's another wagon I'm tired of hearing about), who would you be interested in wagoning at this point? Like, saying "I hate these wagons" is okay, but let's do something about it if you really feel that way.

DrWilgy/MartinGG99/Moonwink/NAA is my current shortlist PoE.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:40 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:37 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:35 pm @DaughterOfOmega
And these:

Spoiler: show

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:30 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:17 am

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:13 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:49 pm

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:06 pm

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:33 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:11 pm @hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:17 pm
I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:39 pm
I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:06 pm

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:56 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:51 pm I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

So, the former stuff is what I had thought people were taking issue with as far as HK was concerned. If that had been the case, I would have been "lol, doesn't HK, like, never play D1?", but I didn't see the latter stuff until now. I think I'm okay with the srceen read, but if HK is basing his read on Omega on just that post, I'm feeling meh.

With that said, I still feel worse about srceenplay. A bunch of stuff has been posted, and he's actively voting someone who hasn't given many reads, yet hasn't really defended or shown any interest in the people who ARE actually getting wagoned. It smells like an attempt to be seen as pushing as someone who's not a top wagon, so that when one of the top wagons gets chopped, he doesn't have to take any blame for it if they flip town. This is why I want srceenplay to give a read on me.

If he thinks I'm town, I want him to defend me and yell at the people who are wagoning on me. If he thinks I'm scum, I want him to join my wagon and yell to people that I'm scum. That's the least I'm going to ask for if I'm going to remain a top wagon for now. :P

But yeah, as far as my scum pile goes, I'd be okay with chopping any of srceen, Jack, and Axehole. I talked about Axehole earlier -- didn't really like their responses to me and Scotty while they were talking about me.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:26 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:53 am

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:06 am

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:24 pm blah
Creature interacting is not how I remember them playing. From what I remember they always scum coasted. Maybe town coasted as well. They dont feel bad though.

Dunya confident IDGAF what you think feels towny to me but what mac says makes me think twice about it.

Nanook can be voted off

Moonwink idk without going back and rereading.

As the player with the 2nd most votes, I take issue with you not having a read on me, especially when you have your vote on HK, which I feel is a cop out. :< Have I not given enough content yet compared to HK? What is HK doing that I'm not that's grabbing your attention?

I haven't really tried forming a read on you yet. ;-; I figured with Mac and others talking to/about you, I'll have stuff to make a read on you later,

Sassy response. :3 The difference between me and Dunya though is that Dunya isn't one of the top wagons, which is why I don't immediately feel pressured to give a read on her at the moment. I -am- a top wagon, even more so than HK was 12 hours ago, yet you had zero interest in really having any influence in the wagons. THAT is what is scummy to me, not singularly that you don't have a read on me. The latter is just a byproduct of the former.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:59 am

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:11 am

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:30 pm

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

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To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

you are a null/scum position. Overly explaining your actions sounds like someone who scared of what people think about them. on the flip side it could be you just want people to understand you. IDK never played with you so, so i can sit back and observe and watch it play out more.

You have talked about reaction testing players. What have you gathered from that?

You're still not taking a position on me. Which do you think it is right now? Do you think it's more likely that I'm scared of what people think about me, or do you I'm just trying to get people to understand me? Again, I'm the top wagon, and you look bad to me right now not having any sort of strong alignment read on me right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:10 am

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:11 am

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:30 pm

just paranoid.
they feels forceful

Okay, for real, why haven't you given a read on me? It feels like you're paying attention to other going-ons, but when it comes to the people actually getting wagoned (I'm pretty sure I was the lead wagon at one point), you don't seem to have much interest in leading people to or away from certain wagons?

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To all: I'd be okay with srceenplay being a secondary wagon instead of me. Put up Jack and srceen and let's see what happens.

I’d be fine with it because it means Screen goes over.

That would be my hope, yes. Because I would certainly be voting Screen over you in that case.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:28 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:09 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:06 am I take back my town read on srceen atm

Also trying to teach my phone srceen is the new screen

Is she talking about your scum-partner? :P

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:30 pm As Scotty has not responded to my plea. Screenplay has received my vote. Let the 4 way tie commence.

Nah. I'm always voting Screenplay here, lol. Sorry friendo. <3

[VOTE: Screenplay] aubergine

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:38 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:33 pm You know why that sounded sassy? Because I copied pasted your reply from basically the same question asked of you.

I'm still indifferent on you and think you could go either way.
I don't want to vote on the same wagon as you because of my uneasiness.
Your not a top scum that I think need to be lynched.
I will vote you towards end of the day if thats what we need for a wagon to go through.

Yes, I know it was copied and pasted from my reply to Dunya. That's why I explained in my post why it was appropriate in my case and super-scummy when you used it towards me. Again, Dunya is NOT a top wagon -- if she was, I would have formed a read on her right there and then. Since she's not at risk of being chopped, I've got time to make a read on her (unless she gets nightkilled n1, in which case, it doesn't really matter what my read on her is).

I, on the otherhand, AM a top wagon, and I don't want you to get away with not having an opinion on me and my alignment if I'm the one that gets chopped today. THAT is why I think your copy-pasted response is scummy when used towards me, but not so when I used it towards Dunya.

I can go further back if you really want me to. :3 Again, I've been pushing Screen for a while now. The only reason why I switched gears is because it didn't seem like anybody was listening to me and I really want to get to the 51% votes we need to chop someone today.

"I didn't think anyone was also going on screen play"

Screenplay had the second most votes before I left his wagon

Do you see my dismay

[VOTE: Screen] aubergine
Vote for screen. If you don't, I'm going to take your sudden push on Screen as disingenuous and as an attempt to shade me.
Otherwise, I'm staying on the wagon with the most votes.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:39 pm I'll be honest

I kinda don't know what I'm doing here

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:38 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:32 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 pm [VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list

Which is funny b/c I've been sus of srceen for like the entire game but I guess chopping me instead makes more sense? Not sure why though.

well at the time you had 3 votes while the others in that group had 1

we might have time to test the others though I suppose

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:38 pm wants to wagon srceen like forever, doesn't, wagons me instead.
[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:35 pm I'd be flabbergasted if HK was mafia, but hey I've been wrong a lot

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:30 pm If I had a vig, Moonwink would be dead for those 2 posts

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:23 pm I guess I should do this

[VOTE: Hk/Screen/Scotty] aubergine to make it clearer as to who I would be open to yeeting today out of the current wagons

could in theory have a wagon with no votes started but I get the impression that's unlikely to majority

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 pm [VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:08 pm Marmot is always town, Creature. Don't tinfoil him.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:17 am

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:13 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:34 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:22 pm [VOTE: hallowkatt] aubergine

wait, I'm doing the harder of the two things and you're voting me for it? or are you voting me b/c I said to scotty idc if he thinks it's lazy

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:03 pm MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:33 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:11 pm @hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:17 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:12 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:04 pm

I agree somewhat. The video game market is too diluted to set a new great franchise like Pokemon and Mario. Glad Pokemon at least got big because its universe is pretty interesting.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:06 pm I'm a bit bored. Doesn't feel like the game is progressing.

Talks about Pokemon and then in the next post complains that the game isn't progressing.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:39 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:32 pm Currently:
Doom - town (communicates via smoke signals and the North Star to find Truth)

I could see her being town on general blase purity but I'm not entirely convinced and I'm a little surprised that you have her as one of your strongish townreads at this point.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:03 pm MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:56 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:51 pm I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

of all the cases written against me in the history of mafia this one is the most lame.

but ok, lets go through this line by line I guess.

The first post you cite is a conversation between myself and srceen. I challenge his vote on me, he explains it, and then I push back because he's trying to have it both ways. He says I do the hard thing, then he votes me for "being lazy" except that I'm not being lazy. My "lazy" comment was directed towards scotty when I said I didn't care if he thought it was lazy, I find looking for townies makes more sense and works better for me.

The second post you cite is me making a read on mac for very specific personal reasons. The last two games I've had with wolf mac he specifically pocketed me, he knows it works. So that he hasn't tried doing that thus far is town indicative for him. How is that not offering insight into how I'm thinking? I'm laying out exactly why I have that read.

My comment on creature is a conversation with scotty and again draws on my personal experience with creature. Again I'm not sure where that's not insight into how I'm thinking.

My dunya comment sure, that's a throw-away. impugn me for that I guess.

I do straight up say my srceen read is weird, that's obvs to anyone who read it.

What about the DOOM read needs explaining? I could expand on that in terms of I like the other things they're saying, but mostly it's the attitude of "putting you big person pants on and getting to work" that I don't find comes from a wolf all that often. DOOM might be a highly capable wolf (not sure I've ever seen them wolf tbh) and sure, might say something like that as a wolf, but generally the "ugh lets go fucking solve this" comes from town vastly more often than it does from town.

I don't like that you called this case lame. Rude. Also, it isn't lame. I stand by my reasoning that your contributions to that point look tepid, an that many of your posts are not making contributions to this game based on what's happening in this game.

Part of the reason I find this suspicious is that I sometimes find myself as mafia talking about other players' meta a lot, because it's easy to make a statement without offering an opinion on them based specifically on what they're doing in this game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:40 pm What would you like us to be doing, HK?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:17 am

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:13 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:34 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:22 pm [VOTE: hallowkatt] aubergine

wait, I'm doing the harder of the two things and you're voting me for it? or are you voting me b/c I said to scotty idc if he thinks it's lazy

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:03 pm MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:33 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:11 pm @hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:35 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:17 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:12 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:13 am Pokémon survives as a franchise on nostalgia factor, if it were introduced as a brand new franchise in 2022 it would be considered just another middle of the road game

I agree somewhat. The video game market is too diluted to set a new great franchise like Pokemon and Mario. Glad Pokemon at least got big because its universe is pretty interesting.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:06 pm I'm a bit bored. Doesn't feel like the game is progressing.

Talks about Pokemon and then in the next post complains that the game isn't progressing.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:39 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:32 pm Currently:
Doom - town (communicates via smoke signals and the North Star to find Truth)

I could see her being town on general blase purity but I'm not entirely convinced and I'm a little surprised that you have her as one of your strongish townreads at this point.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:06 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:03 pm MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:56 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:51 pm I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:56 pm the implication there is that you feel like you should have more confident reads ... on page 6? so fake.

I expect to at least have an idea of who wolves could be. Instead I feel like I'm not able to sort plenty of players here one way or other.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:45 pm Also!!!! I sold my house tonight officially!!!!! Now I am comfortable. Deed has been signed and I'm mailing it to Sweden tomorrow where 2 very happy Dutch people will become miserable in learning they moved to redneck haven.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:23 pm

Moonwink wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:03 pm I feel like the low postcap in play is forcing me into a less frantic, less spammy playstyle, and I'm actually kinda enjoying it? Like, I feel super-relaxed in comparison to how I usually feel during the early game.

This comes off to me as a mafia player talking about their posting. Excusing why they will not come off as their usual self and being self aware of it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:22 pm sorry I'm late

Sorry I'm here

why would you be sorry about that?