The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:58 pm Oh btw.

This has been bothering me the whole game.

The mafia does NOT get to use the jester as shield in case of a red result.

All town has to do is demand the mafia to kill the red result next night. If they are still alive next day, it means either that was the goon, or mafia is gamethrowing. Mafia has to kill the result if they are the jester, because if town fulfills their promise and yeets the jester, the mafia loses too.

So the cop is actually pretty damn effective against jesters, unless they make the reveal in LyLo.

straight up that literally never occurred to me wtf. ok that's great.

wtf well played Scotty!

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:44 pm Well played Nanook.

I assume hk was the godfather yeah?

HK was town

dammit

GG Nanook and well played!

I would deserve nothing less.

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

obvs self press is obvs

okiedokie

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:24 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:54 pm NAA, what do you think of me clearing Falcon here from being godfather?
I know I said spewed town but then realized wolves don't know who the jester is so I'm walking that part back, but I do think they're not the GF
If you're Jester *shrug*

If you're town, Jester is not voting you.

I mean if I'm jester the game ends with my chop so good for me I guess?
I'm not sure that HK town = jester not voting for me. Jester wants to look bad enough to be a possible push right?

NAA, what do you think of me clearing Falcon here from being godfather?
I know I said spewed town but then realized wolves don't know who the jester is so I'm walking that part back, but I do think they're not the GF

but I think town wins regardless if/when I die

6 alive

1 wolf
1 jester
4 town

chop HK

1 wolf
1 jester
3 town

wolf NK

1 wolf
1 jester/2 town OR 3 town

If wolves NK the jester I think town just wins here
if wolves NK town though jester becomes kingmaker and decides if wolves or town wins. basically wolf and jester can hard out and force a tie which rands the chop which is as close to fulfilling the jester win con as I think they're going to get and gives wolves a 50/50 to win the game right there.

wait hang on, what about this:

NAA/Falcon spewed town by LC
Marmot = Jester

leaves Scotty/Nanook as the godfather then.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:29 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:04 pm [VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:
It's incredibly sus, and makes me think even more that he's Jester

Like he's not aware that getting involved now is gonna look scummy

I think it's wrapped around to "twtbj"

Kinda thinking like this: NAA/Falcon solid town
Marmot = GF

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:43 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:38 pm LP was incredibly suspect of me, dolby, falcon. One of those is dead town
What if Maf took out LP to frame her suspects!

Doesn't really look good when you say it yourself.

Even more so though I think this spews Falcon town. NAA was pushing LC whereas Falcon was definitely NOT pushing LC, so to say this about a partner looks really bad, what if Falcon is GF and the wagons head that way instead of LC during D2? You'd have dead GF and the cop becomes slightly more powerful (I think, not quite sure but it feels right to say).

Regardless I think this is highly indicative that Falcon is town.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:14 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:58 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:52 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:44 pm This reads like NAA believes in what they are saying.
Oh no...that's not something you wanna hear.
why's that
Many town games are a loss whenever NAA is both town and confident in a read.

NAA spewed town. I know NAA would say "duh HK you absolute brussels sprout" but also I don't think LC says this about a partner.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:42 pm We vote Marmot.

I don't think wigly cops marmot red and then says we have to chop him. otoh wigly did end the day on LC...

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:23 pm straight up I think we chop everyone who hasn't claimed jester.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:28 pmI'm a jester.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:50 pm LP's entrance seems most stilted but that doesn't mean anything at this point

naa unironically not a jester imo, idk skimming P#17 seems to on the nose for jester kinda

marmot following HK's 24 with 25, kinda scummy but maybe in a jestery way

[VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:23 pm Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.
yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them
For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:23 pm Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:13 pm

here's a thing to think about as well: Does LC vote on his godfather here? Falcon absolutely could have gone over

See I'm of the opinion that dumpstering the goon post D1 is a winning play for the godfather

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:08 pm don't maj me early I'm gonna actually try after dinner to write some cases and review peoples postings.
It’s ok, there’s no hammer.

oh cool ok

don't maj me early I'm gonna actually try after dinner to write some cases and review peoples postings.

ok, marmot jester, 1 GF hidden, 1 doctor, 3 vt.
If I die today it's j/gf/doctor/2vt

which is 3/1/1
I think town can win 3/1/1

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:30 pm Vote logic indicates Hollowkat mafia.

Hollowkat floating NAA bus sounds like desperation.

I think it's a reasonable thought to have, what makes it desperate?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:21 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:38 pm 6 alive, one doctor, one jester, one godfather, 3 vt

did NAA bus
Maybe.

Wouldn’t be a bad idea to bus the goon, get that cred. Obviously inoptimal D1, which is when he had that spat with LC. People don’t always listen to NAA- it just so happens we got LC to go over yesterday, but it could have taken a whole nother day and he’d still be looking good or at least jestery if LC hadn’t been lynched yet

yeah pretty much.

Wigly basically confirms Marmot as the jester, which I think is fine. Marmot was kinda consensus jester anyways.

So ignoring marmot we have me, you, falcon, naa, nanook. One of us is the godfather, duh

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:06 pm Well well well.

That’s a turn of events.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:42 pm We vote Marmot.
This was Wilgy’s first post of D2, and he never changed his vote. Seems like a soft red check.

Marmot is either jester or LC’s partner. I’m leaning jester right now

LC was the mafia goon which means that marmot, if he checked red, must be the jester.

6 alive, one doctor, one jester, one godfather, 3 vt

did NAA bus

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:51 pm I just have "blah" feelings when I open up this game thread, I dunno how to proceed forward.

yeah that's a mood

even LC doesn't care, which is like either super town or jester, and like I said, either way we should not kill him.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:28 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:10 pm it's like I make posts in response to questions and then they're not read
I don't think he's Jester and I don't agree with your town or Jester - I have no idea how you could even arrive at that conclusion.

threadstate basically.
like nobody really cares about whether or not LC is a wolf. Small handful have made "LC is a wolf" statements but no pushes, just statements. If LC is mafia then mafia have basically scooped, I don't think they can win if they lose one member today.
There's no competing wagon movements, literally nobody cares.

it's like I make posts in response to questions and then they're not read

and if y'all think marmot is the jester then probably we should be chopping in wigly/falcon/scotty

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:36 pm Everyone in the thread defending Lime Coke, but there are only two mafia.

My take is they're either town or jester and either way I would not want them chopped.

I think Lime Coke is either town or jester, not a wolf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:24 am What do you think of LC, HK?

I think he's been alright. He feels like he's trying to engage with a lot of people and asking for reads which I tend to town read. I think nobody trying to change the wagons, nobody leaping to his defense makes him slightly more likely to be town than not.

why marmot obvs jester NAA?

sure, town clear NAA, nanook then as well.

leaves
hk
scotty
marmot
falcon
drwigly
lime coke

to contain 2 wolves, a jester, and 3 townies.

fuck

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:55 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:41 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:34 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:51 pm I agree re:Marmot Jester.
That he *is* jester? Why?
If you think I'm the Jester, you won't kill me.

Agree, Nanook town, I have a green check on him.
might want to tell your green check you have a green check on him b/c he's voting for you
Nobody is voting me.

today I realized I am bad at reading like holy fuck

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:34 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:51 pm I agree re:Marmot Jester.
That he *is* jester? Why?
If you think I'm the Jester, you won't kill me.

Agree, Nanook town, I have a green check on him.

might want to tell your green check you have a green check on him b/c he's voting for you

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:30 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:15 pm [VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Time to spice it up
I think nook is close to towniest here.

You just sticking your nose in a Turkish salad?
waaaaat
Which part? That nook is town or the Turkish salad?

the nook is town part

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:15 pm [VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Time to spice it up
I think nook is close to towniest here.

You just sticking your nose in a Turkish salad?

waaaaat

b/c I town read all of these posts and don't think they ever come from a jester.

basically if falcon is trying to get chopped he's doing a piss-poor job of it

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:58 pm Does the Jester lay low in hopes of a "death to slankers" mentality take hold of the town?

@Marmot what do you think?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:30 pm LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:38 pm Am I surprised that the 2 player's I called out as scum are voting for me?

No, I am not.

You two are both OMGUSin', and to the one of ya that's actually town?

Ya better than that

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:10 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:48 am at some point I am going to advocate for killing dolby.
Towny mindmeld?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:34 pm I think there's a certain amount of fear that we're going to chop the jester today and the game will end.
Then let's not lynch Marmot, he's one of my top Jester candidates.

Thoughts on NAA?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:20 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:46 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:38 pm Also lol how does losing your 2 wolf reads spew you jester?
i said it spews me not jester
That’s what I meant. How does that spew you not jester? The deaths of your wolf reads don’t correlate. Or else I just don’t understand
Obvs this gets straight into self-meta and wifom territory but when I wolf I try to get town to do as much of my work as I can, especially early. Later in the game I'll have to make harder pushes and do NK damage but early game if town wants to kill town I'll get out of the way.

My town game is literally "push players I think are wolves full stop"

My jester game though is be a chaos goblin, do whatever I want whenever I want. Swap reads at the drop of a hat, decide to hyperpost about nothing at all, or decide to not post and see what that does.
I do not currently see your self described town game right now.

Have you been a jester before?

I have, on MafiaCafe. I was the wolves N1 kill lolol

my chaos goblin act actually put wagons on at least one wolf and apparently they had the fear.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:46 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:38 pm Also lol how does losing your 2 wolf reads spew you jester?
i said it spews me not jester
That’s what I meant. How does that spew you not jester? The deaths of your wolf reads don’t correlate. Or else I just don’t understand

Obvs this gets straight into self-meta and wifom territory but when I wolf I try to get town to do as much of my work as I can, especially early. Later in the game I'll have to make harder pushes and do NK damage but early game if town wants to kill town I'll get out of the way.

My town game is literally "push players I think are wolves full stop"

My jester game though is be a chaos goblin, do whatever I want whenever I want. Swap reads at the drop of a hat, decide to hyperpost about nothing at all, or decide to not post and see what that does.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:57 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:38 pm Also lol how does losing your 2 wolf reads spew you jester?
i said it spews me not jester
What spews you jester?

i only have one jester game ever and that game I played D1 (the only day I lived) nothing like I played D1 here

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:38 pm Also lol how does losing your 2 wolf reads spew you jester?

i said it spews me not jester

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:26 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:24 pm I think I've spewed myself not jester. I think scotty, naa, and falcon have done the same.
lol it’s funny you think NAA has spewed himself the opposite of what he claims he won’t rescind

I actually need to look closer at you. I don’t know how you or falcon have spewed themselves not.

I'm solidly in my "HK is a wolf but I think that makes him townie" meta
as opposed to being a chaos goblin

I also pushed the two dead townies as my only confident wolf reads

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