The Syndicate

Butts.

GG mafia!

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:03 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:54 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:47 pm Ok so did anyone get any secret messages?

@sig
@falcon45ca
@hollowkatt
@DrWilgy
yeah it said ur a poopoo head

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for legal purposes this is a joke

who did you send to?

nobody b/c I'm lazy as fuck

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:47 pm Ok so did anyone get any secret messages?

@sig
@falcon45ca
@hollowkatt
@DrWilgy

yeah it said ur a poopoo head

Spoiler: show

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:25 pm Someone help me parse why JDizz was killed.
not a fucking clue. I hit him last night with something that would have silenced him for today. He would have had one post and that was it.

see here @sig

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:15 pm has rondo posted yet?
Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

I did not, I tried to silence jdizz. If he hadn't died he would have had one post today.

has rondo posted yet?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:47 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.
There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.

And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.
where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.
I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die
Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.
No, you’re trying to make a semantic argument right now

Someone becoming an IC = innocent child = cleared 100% which is the same thing as a cop check

death is the great cop check in the sky

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:43 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:35 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:29 pm Also the longer rondo doesn’t post the more I just want to vote him off today vs Wilgy.

But, I’ll wait to see what hk/falcon thinks
I feel like Rondo wasted one day of IC status and is in the process of wasting another. Raskol and creature both of whom are confirmed town and thus had no reason to lie to us vouchsafed for Rondo. Raskol by a cryptic "Rondo is IC and no I won't elaborate" and creature via the "mac and rondo are the same alignment" that he never wavered on.

So the question is this: How could two conf via death townies be wrong on Rondo? Is there mech already revealed in the game that would cause this to happen? I can't imagine a world where unrevealed mech would have caused the both of them to get rondo 180 degrees wrong.
The only way it could be wrong would be if Dennis had used his power on Rondo. But, that’s such a world of tin foil nonsense that yea it’s hard to believe isn’t it?

I guess we could say both LPP and Creature were locked town and more active than Rondo which is why they both died first, but the fact he isn’t doing anything and still alive is just sending alarm bells.

What are the chances we only have one mafia member left?

So creature and jdizz died last night. Creature I am assuming is the NK. Jdizz feels like a slank vig tbh. He had like 4 posts all of D4 whereas Rondo had a lot more. It's possible that creature was perceived as more of a threat than Rondo is so maybe reviewing where rondo stood yesterday and thinking about the opposite of that.

Votes being locked indicates to me that today is lylo unless someone claims that as an ability. Backstage Rage location doesn't feel like it should lock votes and Scotty is saying that todays event is stage whispers which again not locked votes.

If that's true there's two left.

Kate = Velma lost wolf
Dennis = Shaggy regular wolf
I don't think you can have a scooby themed mafia game without scooby so that's three. Lucy counted for two players as 3p. Herself and scrappy.

I think we need to start solving as if there are two.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am

Why did you end on Creature last RD?
I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.
You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.
There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.

And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.
where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.
I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

ahh gotcha. Can you divulge how/why you received information on what the potions were?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:41 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am

Why did you end on Creature last RD?
I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.
You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.
There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.

And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.
where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

Wilgy claimed it would be a green check, waited until Doom drank it, and then dropped that it was a poison.

yeah I see that now.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:29 pm Also the longer rondo doesn’t post the more I just want to vote him off today vs Wilgy.

But, I’ll wait to see what hk/falcon thinks

I feel like Rondo wasted one day of IC status and is in the process of wasting another. Raskol and creature both of whom are confirmed town and thus had no reason to lie to us vouchsafed for Rondo. Raskol by a cryptic "Rondo is IC and no I won't elaborate" and creature via the "mac and rondo are the same alignment" that he never wavered on.

So the question is this: How could two conf via death townies be wrong on Rondo? Is there mech already revealed in the game that would cause this to happen? I can't imagine a world where unrevealed mech would have caused the both of them to get rondo 180 degrees wrong.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:07 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:27 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:11 pm
Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?
I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.
You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.
There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.

And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

florence and the machine wish they had a 10th of the talent stevie nicks has in her pinkie toe

also wigly doing work and that's good, I think.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:56 pm I'm actually baffled.

JDizz being the NK has to be important right?

Town JDizz being around this cycle surely would've resulted in a town loss right? I know I would've misyeeted there.

they would have been squarely in the POE.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:25 pm Someone help me parse why JDizz was killed.

not a fucking clue. I hit him last night with something that would have silenced him for today. He would have had one post and that was it.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:08 pm Weird that the votes are locked this phase it’s either location based or a role power I’m assuming?

that's my guess as well. there's nothing about locked votes in the OP that I can find.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:29 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:14 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:11 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:07 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:50 am Is anyone else reading wigly as just open wolfing?
How is this sensible?

I feel like this is becoming more common and it's somewhat frustrating. I put ideas or thinking to the thread and it's never "let's discuss this thinking or ideas, it's always "this is bad" or "Wilgy is randwolf lmao".

Hell, if I'm wrong to be hesitant towards the Kate wagon with what I've provided, please explain why.

If I'm scared lylo knowing that there'll be at least 2 deaths, explain why that's bad too.

The worst part is, I don't even know how to weigh these types of responses re AI as I've seen them from both town and wolves.
because the ideas you're floating int he thread expand the poe specifically putting IC rondo in it. Raskol and Creature both said Rondo is ic via mech, raskol is dead town confirmed and creature has been townie, so when you're prattling on about how rondo could still be a wolf the only thing I can think is that you're wolfing because it doesn't make sense for a villager to be so far off the mark and ignoring things like the above unless they're not a villager.
And I've asked many many times for shit to be explained like this. I've tried skims but I haven't been able to obtain or absorb this data.

Often, if mech is involved, I need explanations like this. 2 cycles of asking and not one clear "this is what was said" had been provided until now.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:32 pm MacDougall and Roxy/RondoDimBuckle are the same alignment.
I won't explain it but Rondo is an IC
creature had a parity check confirming that mac and rondo are the same alignment. Mac flipped town. Raskol at the same time stated that rondo is IC and refused to explain. Generally speaking when Rask does that it's mechanically related, he doesn't state "x is IC" as a gambit or FPS type play.

as far as having it explained I can dig through the creature ISO but my understanding is that the check was provided by DooM so the only way I can see that being faked is if Creature and DooM are both wolves and Raskol was doing an FPS type play and I just don't see all of that aligning.
Thank you. This makes sense now.

I do agree with your analysis. Rondo is likely not it, creature may be still but I agree has a better chance of being town unless specifically aligned with Rondo. Rask's clear sets that theory aside.

Meaning wolves are in JDizz, DOOM and Kate.

Do we have any mech on Sig? I think they've been towny, but their vote record is actually about on par with Kate's.

to my understanding no we don't have mech on Sig. I think their posting has been good, I haven't paid much attention to the voting analysis.
Are we ignoring/forgetting about Falcon or just assuming he is town? Kinda I'm assuming he is town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:14 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:11 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:07 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:50 am Is anyone else reading wigly as just open wolfing?
How is this sensible?

I feel like this is becoming more common and it's somewhat frustrating. I put ideas or thinking to the thread and it's never "let's discuss this thinking or ideas, it's always "this is bad" or "Wilgy is randwolf lmao".

Hell, if I'm wrong to be hesitant towards the Kate wagon with what I've provided, please explain why.

If I'm scared lylo knowing that there'll be at least 2 deaths, explain why that's bad too.

The worst part is, I don't even know how to weigh these types of responses re AI as I've seen them from both town and wolves.
because the ideas you're floating int he thread expand the poe specifically putting IC rondo in it. Raskol and Creature both said Rondo is ic via mech, raskol is dead town confirmed and creature has been townie, so when you're prattling on about how rondo could still be a wolf the only thing I can think is that you're wolfing because it doesn't make sense for a villager to be so far off the mark and ignoring things like the above unless they're not a villager.
And I've asked many many times for shit to be explained like this. I've tried skims but I haven't been able to obtain or absorb this data.

Often, if mech is involved, I need explanations like this. 2 cycles of asking and not one clear "this is what was said" had been provided until now.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:32 pm MacDougall and Roxy/RondoDimBuckle are the same alignment.
I won't explain it but Rondo is an IC

creature had a parity check confirming that mac and rondo are the same alignment. Mac flipped town. Raskol at the same time stated that rondo is IC and refused to explain. Generally speaking when Rask does that it's mechanically related, he doesn't state "x is IC" as a gambit or FPS type play.

as far as having it explained I can dig through the creature ISO but my understanding is that the check was provided by DooM so the only way I can see that being faked is if Creature and DooM are both wolves and Raskol was doing an FPS type play and I just don't see all of that aligning.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:07 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:50 am Is anyone else reading wigly as just open wolfing?
How is this sensible?

I feel like this is becoming more common and it's somewhat frustrating. I put ideas or thinking to the thread and it's never "let's discuss this thinking or ideas, it's always "this is bad" or "Wilgy is randwolf lmao".

Hell, if I'm wrong to be hesitant towards the Kate wagon with what I've provided, please explain why.

If I'm scared lylo knowing that there'll be at least 2 deaths, explain why that's bad too.

The worst part is, I don't even know how to weigh these types of responses re AI as I've seen them from both town and wolves.

because the ideas you're floating int he thread expand the poe specifically putting IC rondo in it. Raskol and Creature both said Rondo is ic via mech, raskol is dead town confirmed and creature has been townie, so when you're prattling on about how rondo could still be a wolf the only thing I can think is that you're wolfing because it doesn't make sense for a villager to be so far off the mark and ignoring things like the above unless they're not a villager.

Is anyone else reading wigly as just open wolfing?

and your case is a lot of "hmm this is interesting about creature" or "this is a bad look" without actually getting into why it's a bad look, and also only focuses on D1 which is fine but there's more than double that amount of days to actually think about.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:58 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:40 pm I didn’t expect much to happen this phase but was hoping for a bit more.

Also if we have any last second pushes onto creature I’d be eyeing them as mafia for sure.
Why? I thought my case was fairly good. Are you shielding the slot for today? Are you saying he is town? Please clarify your position on creature difinitively

I don't think creature is a wolf. The reason I don't think creature is a wolf is because if he were a wolf they would have dumpstered dennis when they had the chance to yesterday. and also if he's a baddie I think he leans stronger into the ventriloquist possibility to make you look worse, but instead he repudiates that idea before anyone really brought it up and got into it.

Like if he's a wolf there either he leans into that or he doesn't bring it up at all and only engages with the idea after someone else starts using that to make a push.

I also think he was genuine when trying to determine what to think about DooM in our chat that night and the way he misremembered who talked about doom voting him and then went looking for it, well, unless it was an elaborate ploy to pocket me when I was already town leaning him just doesn't make sense.

mine was bubbly and refreshing. nothing about taste though.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:11 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:52 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:51 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:47 pm Alright I might listen on you about JDizz10.

What about hollowkatt? I thought Mac was decently confident they were town here:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:17 pm I am quite confident Hollowkatt is in his town meta.

na na na, tell me about what you guys talked about in the night and your thoughts on him

then i'll tell you what me and rask talked about
Honestly I wasn't really interested in talking that night. hollowkatt did mostly of the talking. Should I sum up what hollowkatt talked about or should I try to paraphrase everything hollowkatt talked about?
sum rhymes with cum so give me that
Alright I hate rereading some chat I wasn't even interested about but here it goes:

hk comes in saying this is the only chat they got, they also got nothing (items) and they think all subs being town is mathematically unlikely (although considers a bad reason). hk mentions rask's alignment will be obvious the next day and puts out a readslist that hk later posted in-thread the next day:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:14 pm I had chat with Creature last night.
This is the last list I had in the chat:

my last list:
town: Dennis, Mac, Jack, Sig
lean town: Neon, Kate, Falcon, DooM
null bucket: jdizz, creature
3P: lucy/scrappy
poe: wigly, rondo, dunya, chihiro

creature can share his thoughts later if he wants to I guess, I'm not outing them.
I ask hk about doom giving me an item to be town and hk answers doom seems to believe I am town in a believable way. Then we talked about doom voting me at some point, hk questioned where doom voted me because she never voted me in her iso but i was sure she did because i remember someone mentioning her vote on me, so we kept asking ourselves who it could be until I figured it was sig here:

sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:16 pm And Omega why are you voting for Creature
We also talked a little about anticlaim, hk brought up doom claimed a thing and chihiro claimed another thing about kate and neon, something involving chihiro targeting kate and giving the results to neon and then getting annoyed when neon did nothing about it. I asked about why chihiro got wagoned and hk said it had to do with the way chihiro treated crichard during his fight with neon and kate. I suppose it had to do with chihiro's role regarding neon and kate.

hk also had drwilgy and rondo as wolves and said crichard's posting was bad but mac's posting was good. I mentioned something about neon possibly being [wolf role] and hk seemed to agree with it. hk also wondered if crichard/neon could've been wolf theater. I said we were about to find out about crich/mac depending on whether mac survived or not and hk agreed with it. Then nothing else was said and the night ended.

can confirm this is accurate

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:26 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:25 pm She also told you all that she had mech proving I was civ. Shocking that she died. Guys, seriously?
two people outed mech that Rondo is town yet Rondo lives. isn't that weird or am I the only one saying it
It’s a bit odd, but not so odd I’d want to vote them over Kate for multiple reasons
oh fuck no we're not voting rondo!
my point was Kate is going on about how Neon had mech proving Kate was town and it's shocking that she died.

It's even more shocking that on a night when two deaths occurred, both of which were town players, the outed IC did not die. So why is Kate going on about how of course Neon is dead when there's no "of course" there at all.
Yall are gonna feel really dumb.

good news I'm already dumb

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:04 pm Just realized Rondo can't be cleared anymore due to ventriloquist.
What a scummy thing to say creature I just used my one shot power to murder Dennis early and save us some time

that too

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:26 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:25 pm She also told you all that she had mech proving I was civ. Shocking that she died. Guys, seriously?
two people outed mech that Rondo is town yet Rondo lives. isn't that weird or am I the only one saying it
It’s a bit odd, but not so odd I’d want to vote them over Kate for multiple reasons

oh fuck no we're not voting rondo!
my point was Kate is going on about how Neon had mech proving Kate was town and it's shocking that she died.

It's even more shocking that on a night when two deaths occurred, both of which were town players, the outed IC did not die. So why is Kate going on about how of course Neon is dead when there's no "of course" there at all.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:25 pm She also told you all that she had mech proving I was civ. Shocking that she died. Guys, seriously?

two people outed mech that Rondo is town yet Rondo lives. isn't that weird or am I the only one saying it

y'all I don't think it's creature
[VOTE: kate] aubergine

why isn't IC rondo dead? that seems weird.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:55 pm EVENT: Potent Potions

5 different-colored vials of liquid are sitting on the table in the foyer of the mansion: Orange, Green, Bubbling, Pink, and Black.. Any player can tag the host and announce in thread to drink a specific vial, with any effects announced at each 24 hour mark in the day. Only one player may drink each vial, and players may not drink more than one.

@Scotty Black. please and thank you

lets go hope I don't die

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:29 pm Oh right there's also lucy and Scrappy Doo.

I am still concerned lucy might be wolf fakeclaiming third party but meh. Is lucy saying she can leave the game if we lynch Dennis here?
i need to correctly predict dennis and another lynch, then i leave

can you win by predicting the NK or is it a "day and night is one phase and you guess one per phase" kinda thing?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:26 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:25 pm fun fact there's nothing that says flipping Dennis wolf means Kate is town.
yes... thats what I just said... ???

I'm aware. it's important that more than one person is saying it especially in light of at least a couple people saying it's t/w when it really doesn't need to be that way.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:24 pm Alright then I really don't care which of Dennis and Kate goes over. Preferably, both should be resolved.

There are still other players I need to sort. Neon should be one of them. Why are you all calling her town?

probs AtE idk

fun fact there's nothing that says flipping Dennis wolf means Kate is town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:39 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:20 pm Kate on dennis / dennis on kate, tells me little.

DaughterOfOmega/Creature - one of, conventional wisdom tells me daughter

One of Falcon/Myself/Fish/HK, leaning fish now after seeing they only post bloop

Sig/Wilgy/LPP/Neon - Probably one or two in here. Neon is my lean atm
I don't think the bloop is ai and we know it's LPP controlling it. We ended up at their location which, if I understand correctly, gave them two puppets to play with today, Fish and Porpoise.
oh, so why are we letting them live?

cause I think LPP is townie and the extras go away after the day ends

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:20 pm Kate on dennis / dennis on kate, tells me little.

DaughterOfOmega/Creature - one of, conventional wisdom tells me daughter

One of Falcon/Myself/Fish/HK, leaning fish now after seeing they only post bloop

Sig/Wilgy/LPP/Neon - Probably one or two in here. Neon is my lean atm

I don't think the bloop is ai and we know it's LPP controlling it. We ended up at their location which, if I understand correctly, gave them two puppets to play with today, Fish and Porpoise.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:33 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm This one is separate as personal knowledge results in this potentially being less valid to external persons. A review of early d3 votes and only functions in comparison to the previous vote patterns:
Dennis 3
Voters: lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo
DrWilgy 4
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, falcon45ca, Le petit poussin
Kate 3
Voters: sig, RondoDimBuckle, Fish
lucy 2
Voters: Dennis, Kate
HK, Creature, Falcon and LPP on me most likely points to the wolf on my wagon being HK just based on the previous observations. This does add a badvote weight to LPP, Creature and Falcon, HOWEVER As how I've been playing, I don't believe that badvote weight should be very heavy without other observations on how these players actually interacted with the fruit I've plated for them.

Dennis being at three with bad voter Lucy/Neon and null Scrappy does not fill me with confidence. If the argument that I'm at least now seeing from DoO/Lucy are the reason for this, why not just vote Kate?

Kate wagon. Sig being on here makes me wonder if they've noticed the tension between them and Kate re Seanzie. Odd that Kate isn't on Sig in return. Kate's wagon is much more null in weight than Dennis.

Lucy wagon. Dennis has slightly towny weight, Kate has slightly wolfy weight. Again more votes on the 3p serving as a neutral vote bed.
what had you done that makes you obvs town at the time this vote count was taken? You say "x being on me is bad votes" and sure I expect everyone in this game to say that but from the perspective of your voters, at least me anyways, you have been utterly underwhelming in a way I do not associate with town wigly and generally speaking when someone seems underwhelming while still playing the game there's a reason for that that is tied to their alignment or role.

for example dunya was underwhelming to me when I read their ISO and then didn't participate in D2 at all. Rask subs into the slot and gives it new life with new solving and new eyes on the thread turning the slot from incredibly underwhelming to very much whelming. I like whelming slots, I dislike underwhelming slots.
This is exactly as to why I said 'as personal knowledge results in this potentially being less valid to external persons.' This analysis was mostly for myself and for if I flip, one can take and attempt to use the data I've proffered.

Underwhelming is but one of many things that I am good at being HK, but me being underwhelming is not AI my friend. You should know this one by now.

Also you've done the same thing that I got snarky at DoO and Sig for. Why do you focus on the work that is prefaced with being more faulty than the other data I provided?

I mostly just skim everyone elses posts for what they think about me and if I find something fun to talk about I talk about it.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:33 pm @hollowkatt you should vote dennis so i leave the game, you don’t want a double voting 3p around for late game do u?

idc whatever at this point. it wouldn't be the dumbest 3p decision I ever made

lets see if creature breaks the tie

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:09 pm @Creature @hollowkatt

If you had to pick one of the two wagons which would you go with

I regret that i have but one vote to cast. honestly they can both die idgaf really.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 pm This one is separate as personal knowledge results in this potentially being less valid to external persons. A review of early d3 votes and only functions in comparison to the previous vote patterns:
Dennis 3
Voters: lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo
DrWilgy 4
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, falcon45ca, Le petit poussin
Kate 3
Voters: sig, RondoDimBuckle, Fish
lucy 2
Voters: Dennis, Kate
HK, Creature, Falcon and LPP on me most likely points to the wolf on my wagon being HK just based on the previous observations. This does add a badvote weight to LPP, Creature and Falcon, HOWEVER As how I've been playing, I don't believe that badvote weight should be very heavy without other observations on how these players actually interacted with the fruit I've plated for them.

Dennis being at three with bad voter Lucy/Neon and null Scrappy does not fill me with confidence. If the argument that I'm at least now seeing from DoO/Lucy are the reason for this, why not just vote Kate?

Kate wagon. Sig being on here makes me wonder if they've noticed the tension between them and Kate re Seanzie. Odd that Kate isn't on Sig in return. Kate's wagon is much more null in weight than Dennis.

Lucy wagon. Dennis has slightly towny weight, Kate has slightly wolfy weight. Again more votes on the 3p serving as a neutral vote bed.

what had you done that makes you obvs town at the time this vote count was taken? You say "x being on me is bad votes" and sure I expect everyone in this game to say that but from the perspective of your voters, at least me anyways, you have been utterly underwhelming in a way I do not associate with town wigly and generally speaking when someone seems underwhelming while still playing the game there's a reason for that that is tied to their alignment or role.

for example dunya was underwhelming to me when I read their ISO and then didn't participate in D2 at all. Rask subs into the slot and gives it new life with new solving and new eyes on the thread turning the slot from incredibly underwhelming to very much whelming. I like whelming slots, I dislike underwhelming slots.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:35 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:30 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:17 am Wilgy could be a jester. I've been playing around with this lil idea for a while
If you believe that then you're wolf reading Lucy right?
I certainly don't think she's townsiding

But what is the correlation exactly

I don't think we would have multiple 3p roles and a fully fledged wolf team so if you think wigly could be a jester then it stands to reason you would think lucy is lying about being 3p and is instead a wolf.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:17 am Wilgy could be a jester. I've been playing around with this lil idea for a while

If you believe that then you're wolf reading Lucy right?

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:16 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:10 pm What's the Dunya case? Because I had her down as town. Granted, based on only a few posts but also Dunya isn't a player who falls off as a wolf specifically.

I assume Lucy is being voted cause hail mary punting.
She threw a lot of questions out, and didn't follow up. I had general weird vibes from her and she voted me for no engagement then faded out. Hollowkatt explains it in more detail and has more experience with dunya, let me grab the quote

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:11 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:49 pm @hollowkatt what makes dunya an obvious wolf to you? You've been preaching for a dunya kill for a while now.
the lack of any town posting in her ISO bar like two posts. The rest of them are very fluffy very underwhelming and my experience with dunya is that she earnestly cares about solving when she is town. I don't see anything resembling that in her posting. Combine that with basically vanishing today when today was going to be contentious given how EOD went down and I have some large concerns there.

A lot of what she did was throw questions at people and then never follow up on them and generally speaking that's the sign of a wolf that struggles to get into the game and is looking for a way to appear to be participating without having to get down and dirty with reads and making statements about the alignments of other players. There's no single smoking gun that says "dunya is a wolf" but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that would indicate they are.

If she comes into the thread and posts well, makes some statement type posts, gives reads, and follows up on what she asked about D1 before we get into the EOD run up I'll re-evaluate.
@Jackofhearts2005 here's the Dunya case that really sold me
HK's case is bad (as I have already explained earlier) and you sheeping it is too.

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Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:14 pm

Yes, but why? Your vote for him now seems to be based off "Let's get the CW to green flip"...and I'm just wondering if there's actually something behind your SR of Jack beyond that.

I thought he was fairly towny last RD
Is that right? Are you claiming info on Jack that clears them?
And now he's fishing for roles

[VOTE: CR] aubergine
I haven’t gotten to Mac yet but CR’s opening is pretty horrendous.

Sad that wolves don’t warn their partners about me more often.
Mac has come in w/ some solve energy, which is what I'd expect from Maf Mac trying to work himself out of the POE.

This is an interesting take, can someone with more experience with maf Mac than me please weigh in
Another instance of undirectly projecting shades.

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Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:50 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:50 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:14 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:34 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm

I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.
Which one do you think is mostly likely bad in that case?
can everyone answer this, thanks
At this point, Dunya is the most likely wolf if only because I'm very certain Creature is town and pretty damn sure HK is town.
Why are you so sure Creature is town? I'm thinking chihiro is bad. I've got to reread him. Any thoughts on him?
I've been thinking chihiro is bad too but mostly off of weird vibes from D1 + being less present today. What's your reasoning?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:21 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:08 pm
Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:04 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:13 am
Chihiro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:53 pm @RondoDimBuckle

Give me 4 scum and why?
No, I dont know you and I dont like you try again
Hello? Wtf does knowing me have to do with my question or this game???

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine
I could easily vote this slot. @jack @RondoDimBuckle @Neon @MacDougall @Dennis thoughts?
You get the thumbs up from me.

Was it this post in specific that pushed you over the edge, so to speak? Cause I think chihiro should've had some other suspicions that were greater than Rondo saying no to reads since Rondo just subbed in and all
Chihiro is bad, should get more pressure. Voting Dunya though.

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Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:58 pm is it time to flash wigly?
[VOTE: drwigly] aubergine
1. Why wilgy

2. You were very very confident in Dunya before. And it's not like your vote was on some random person, she is one of the top wagons. What happened??

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:15 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:58 pm is it time to flash wigly?
[VOTE: drwigly] aubergine
1. Why wilgy

2. You were very very confident in Dunya before. And it's not like your vote was on some random person, she is one of the top wagons. What happened??

Do you find Wilgy towny?
Not particularly but I don't remember a single think HK has said about wilgy. Also I think there's bigger fish to fry at the moment
I mean Wilgy's ISO was like 20 posts at that time. How is HK necessary to have an opinion on that slot? Wilgy/Dennis wolf partner equity is skyrocketing.

I'm beginning to think I got pocketed.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:22 am Oh yeah, I was rereading Dennis and stumbled upon this again

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:32 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:12 pm jack should always flip here and i think he might've tmi'ed sig town as creature or someone implied and had my general worldview be incorrect, either way i'm gonna do more town leadery stuff this cycle

i'm gonna reread d1 tonight

@CRichard what's your read on me/creature/dunya
You town
Creature town
Dunya town.
Could you elaborate on dunya
I would imagine a world where lucy, dunya, and creature are all town is a world where one of them dies last night.
What do you think about it now @hollowkatt?

Lucy being claimed 3p kinda throws a wrench into that. Mac dying last night makes a lot of sense to me, more sense than killing the replacement for the zero poster, or the person with very limited thread presence (creature).

So while it was a good thought at the time I'm not sure it holds water any more.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:03 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:49 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:35 pm @hollowkatt @Creature

2 questions

1. Why are you both on Wilgy

2 you both town read Dennis right? Going into D3 what are your thoughts on him and Kate
b/c my only memory of wigly is being super fluffy and aggressively non-participating.
oh yeah question 2. going into D3 I thought Dennis was town. His posting on D2 felt pretty good to me and I vibed with a lot of what he was saying. Kate otoh I don't particularly care about and if they die they die.
Ouch

you've been remarkably unremarkable.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:53 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:50 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:48 pm Ignore that I've been blatantly towny all game and give me the sweet release of death.
bruh I asked two simple questions and your response was lmaoooooo what do you want from me?
To not 180 a town read on me cause I'm like having a hard time playing this game and not being a bitch for some reason. Anyways I expanded.

sometimes the spiciest things come from the most unlikely of plays. unfortunately this isn't spicy it's meh
[VOTE: wigly] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:46 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:06 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm Maybe LPP

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:00 pm

then where are da woofs?
Dennis Wilgy Lucy I dunno I'm there right now probably maybe.
LPP that's another one
cool I'm gonna pull a pro gamer move and hard shield LPP today

What's the "case" on dennis? I know where you stand on lucy. Same question for wigly
Lmaooooo
cool ok that was easy
[VOTE: neon] aubergine
I quoted a post from dennis that made me start questioning dennis. Lucy has pointed out things I at least mildly agree are Nagl though they could use clarification I've asked for. Vibes is another reason.

Rondo is literally IC so not sure why me and Rondo posting a similar conclusion one after another makes you think to protect LPP when Rondo is lock town but I digress.

god himself could come down and say "hey HK Neon and Rondo are town" and I'd still shield Rask today because I want to see what he's going to do with this time. Dunya dropped the ball yesterday and her D1 wasn't stellar but Rask comes in pretty strong today trying to make things happen for his slot. I think it's fair to say Rask you get some time to do that. If we get to 8ish hours left in the game day and Rask has shit the bed then shield is off. But if he's posting townie I want to see more from him.

Fine, I get your reasoning on Dennis. I still think his D2 was townie so that's a hurdle for me to overcome atm. What about Wigly?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:48 pm Ignore that I've been blatantly towny all game and give me the sweet release of death.

bruh I asked two simple questions and your response was lmaoooooo what do you want from me?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:06 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm Maybe LPP

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:00 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:18 pm

Trust me I know since you're pushing obvious town Kate.
then where are da woofs?
Dennis Wilgy Lucy I dunno I'm there right now probably maybe.
LPP that's another one
cool I'm gonna pull a pro gamer move and hard shield LPP today

What's the "case" on dennis? I know where you stand on lucy. Same question for wigly
Lmaooooo

cool ok that was easy
[VOTE: neon] aubergine

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