The Syndicate

i spat out my drink goddammit spf

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:23 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:23 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

this is exactly the read i made, just worded differently. did you not see my message in mason chat?

i actually saw your post, stole it, put more words in it, and presented it as my own for the sick credit

Fair Enough

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

this is exactly the read i made, just worded differently. did you not see my message in mason chat?

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:17 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:02 pm If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

I came into this game gavial would get bussed hard if he's a wolf, based on how his meta has been described.

Plus any random grouping of five players has approximately a 75% chance of having at least one wolf, if my math is right.

Spoiler: show

1 - (13 / 17)^5 = 73.85% of at least one wolf

if you want to assume "I am town and I am not one of those five players" = 1 - (12 / 16)^5 = 76.3% of at least one wolf

There are some underlying assumptions about votes on a wagon being independent events which isn't really true, but whatever, close enough. Been awhile since I took any stats or probability courses though. Yes this a useless post a wolf could easily make, sue me.

the gavial vote that looks most like a bus is

yeah ok i'm feeling pretty good on dizzy

"i'm not going to play! i'm so burned out!" => plays anyways, outposts half the thread

addicted villager/10

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:40 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:34 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:33 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:21 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:20 pm c4 is my placement on your list solely because you thought i overexplained that one read? help me help you

Yes

welllllllllllllllllll big shrug then

i can tend towards verbose as both alignments - i largely haven't been this game, and it's mostly been a deliberate choice, but i'm sure that'll change at some point

obviously i don't expect you to take my word on that, the point of this post is p much just "i have seen and acknowledged your scumread on me and intend to simply change your mind about it"

Noted

I probably wouldn't give half a shit under normal circumstances, but the content and context looked particularly worrying.

elaborate?

Like I said, it looked like you were trying way too hard to signal to this crowd of people that know v!Amy that you were v!Amy.

visor has never townread an amy post longer than 3 sentences LMAO

noted @ dya

@dyachei do you have hally thoughts

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:33 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:21 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:20 pm c4 is my placement on your list solely because you thought i overexplained that one read? help me help you

Yes

welllllllllllllllllll big shrug then

i can tend towards verbose as both alignments - i largely haven't been this game, and it's mostly been a deliberate choice, but i'm sure that'll change at some point

obviously i don't expect you to take my word on that, the point of this post is p much just "i have seen and acknowledged your scumread on me and intend to simply change your mind about it"

Noted

I probably wouldn't give half a shit under normal circumstances, but the content and context looked particularly worrying.

elaborate?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:21 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:20 pm c4 is my placement on your list solely because you thought i overexplained that one read? help me help you

Yes

welllllllllllllllllll big shrug then

i can tend towards verbose as both alignments - i largely haven't been this game, and it's mostly been a deliberate choice, but i'm sure that'll change at some point

obviously i don't expect you to take my word on that, the point of this post is p much just "i have seen and acknowledged your scumread on me and intend to simply change your mind about it"

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i don't know if i wanna sort a full readslist quite yet, mostly because i'm still solidifying placements on a LOT of people. earlygame left me with a lot of "wait and see how this develops" reads and they're, uh, still developing

i will say that i have more potential wolves than i expected to and that i'd be more pressed to talk about them if we didn't also have gavial sitting Right There

lemme see what DO i wanna talk about rn

i think dizzy's entrance, objectionable as i find it from a pure "dude please just play the game you signed up for..." standpoint, felt villagery. i think KZA's entrance felt [DATA CORRUPTED] but i wanna see more before i focus too much on that

kinda just wanna mason with sunbae and see how it goes

c4 is my placement on your list solely because you thought i overexplained that one read? help me help you

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:09 pm so AMA

when are you watching madoka

my ultimatum has not been met

firing orbital cannon

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

i was going to reread everything since vulgard's entrance before i went to bed

operative word being "was"

inclined to buy vulgard being a villager for lame "yeah those posts look pretty good" reasons

inclined to want to wait and see on marl. think vulgard is probably clearing him too easily for the sunbae thing but will admit to not knowing him quite as well.

404 arete read not found, ask again later

tired

actually I've decided ranmilia is right and meta reads suck

@Vulgard

my wolfrange is both infinitesimally narrow and unfathomably vast, an overlapping singularly collapsing in on itself unto eternity, never relinquishing the poor souls with the misfortune to wander too close, or to gaze into its shriveled black heart

(I've been told I'm a decent wolf)

that was a lot of words to say "good vibes" and "i played like ass in the org game" tbh

but i do feel good about making the read

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:27 am

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:22 amsunbae v

walk me through it

you tried to push me away from v reading him in the org game, whats the change here?

I was pretty disengaged from the org game. I'm pretty engaged with this one. I assume both of these things are pretty self-evident.

In the org game I kinda just skimmed the general shape of Sunbae's posts, said "yeah none of this looks particularly clearing", and was surprised when other people disagreed with me. A lot of this was borne from me knowing generally that Sunbae is a great wolf but not necessarily knowing what that actually LOOKS like (which, ftr, is still true lol), so a disengaged Amy was inevitably gonna be cautious about her read there. Other people being less so spooked me.

This game I'm actively reading and following along and paying attention, which... is probably an improvement lmao. I think the way Sunbae led off today with his "lemme just mason Amy" shenanigans felt super pure and I think him replying to you calling him v by specifically saying "I'm annoyed that you can soulread me so well" is a very... it's not what a wolf's first thought would be in that situation, I don't think.

+ I like his big wallpost re-entrance. I haven't really nitpicked it super hard, but on first impression it feels like the wallpost of someone who was trying to take it easy but wound up with too many thoughts, rather than someone forcing thoughts to look towny or whatever

sunbae v

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:06 pm i think that amy and c4 are both most likely town. i have some vague good feelings about tangrowth as well. the rest of my reads are either ones that are in a state of flux or ones that i'd prefer to keep close to my chest. ask me for my thoughts on anyone here so far and i'll prolly answer

also, this is a wolf: [VOTE: gavial] aubergine

it probably is but i at least wanna go through the motions first, yknow?

seth has until i wake up tomorrow to start playing the game before i park a fat vote on him

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:47 pm I think nutella is town and the wolves are trying to shove through a cheap misexe on someone who is normally difficult to misexe.

This points towards mafia on her wagon, which is to say sunbae/bronana/outed wolf. Probably bronana for overexplaining his vote and trying to pocket the other two by saying they're the pillars of the town.

you think the wolves are trying to shove through a cheap misdunk... 3 hours into a 48 hour d1?

i would be extremely hesitant to ascribe any sort of "wolves want to seriously misdunk this player" read this early in the game

i'd also point out that the 3 names you mentioned are all very good friends and that the "pillars of the town" comment was almost certainly flippant

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nutella: i see what you're saying with your posts. i also see how spf arrived at the interpretation she arrived at, because that was my interpretation the first time i read it. regardless of alignments involved i believe spf's point is more likely than not a legitimate miscommunication rather than any sort of attempt at misrepresentation

really i think we all just need to take a step back on this particular point, tbh

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tangy: prefer not to answer re: alison vote

maybe later

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

out for a while, conserving posts/gotta do work/wrist hurty

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:03 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:59 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:10 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:09 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

cause one of their posts was not good

since when has that made her a wolf? it's when most of her posts are bad that she's a wolf

@dyachei was this post serious?

yes? I didnt really think her posts were nutella wolf bad yet

it just strikes me as an odd reaction

"i wolfread one of this person's posts" "ah, but you must wolfread MORE of her posts to wolfread her"

i know you like probing people and digging into reasoning and stuff so i'm a bit concerned about you essentially swatting this read away when visor hadn't even really explained (to my recollection, anyways) what the read WAS

I asked about the read? I was hoping for elaboration from visor but that didn't happen. So it wasn't really swatting away so much as not seeing it myself and wanting more about why?

it felt more dismissive than inquisitive from where i was sitting, but ok sure i'll view it as a miscommunication for now

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:10 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:09 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

cause one of their posts was not good

since when has that made her a wolf? it's when most of her posts are bad that she's a wolf

@dyachei was this post serious?

yes? I didnt really think her posts were nutella wolf bad yet

it just strikes me as an odd reaction

"i wolfread one of this person's posts" "ah, but you must wolfread MORE of her posts to wolfread her"

i know you like probing people and digging into reasoning and stuff so i'm a bit concerned about you essentially swatting this read away when visor hadn't even really explained (to my recollection, anyways) what the read WAS

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:10 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:09 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

cause one of their posts was not good

since when has that made her a wolf? it's when most of her posts are bad that she's a wolf

@dyachei was this post serious?

yall know i literally have real audio production experience right

thanks for the threadspew losers

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:42 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:35 pm Imagine I'm voting spf for the first time

town

how the fuck are me and spf's join dates two minutes apart

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:23 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:19 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 pm might be a sucker but i kinda doubt w!amy dumps on zack first thing

i don’t think w!her sees zack as a viable push early on

dont wanna marsh your mellow but its an insignificant push early on in the game, i dont think anything of it. i doubt w or v amy expect to go anywhere with it (and zacks perfectly pushable cmon. just look at that face)

perhaps

i’m making that read with the context that zack was the main pusher of w!amy in the voxx 9er before she N1’d him, so i would expect her to be more fearful or placating of v!him

could be a premature read but gotta start somewhere

ok my last post was a joke but i actually do find it a little weird that your townread of me presupposes that zack is a villager

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 pm might be a sucker but i kinda doubt w!amy dumps on zack first thing

i don’t think w!her sees zack as a viable push early on

thanks for TMIing zack town, nerd

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:16 pm townpoints to amy for cyberbullying bronana

gimme your virtual lunch money

and like i recognize that this is the syndicate and not MU and so there's somewhat of an element of this being an unfamiliar environment with some unfamiliar players

but let's be real this is at least 75% an MU game

thoughts i should have had 5 minutes ago so i could conserve a post

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:07 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:06 pm is now a good time to say that zack's opening post rubbed me the wrong way

probably just not used to him breaking kayfabe, but

in what way did it bother you?

it was very, like

how do i put this

"forced" doesn't really capture the nuance of the feeling, but it's in the ballpark

it was very "hello everyone let's play mafia " in a way that felt really out of place

is now a good time to say that zack's opening post rubbed me the wrong way

probably just not used to him breaking kayfabe, but

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:38 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:05 pm how the fuck do you play mafia btw

i haven't had the mental wherewithal to give a shit about a game since rocks

and might still not

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

ohh so that's how you do it

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:08 pm I'm texan and/or australian

that's my schtick get your own

sunbae wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:04 pm Hello

Im not really able to be around right now but I wanted bronana to laugh at my avatar. I'll be around later to actually play.

Goodbye

[VOTE: sunbae] aubergine

how the fuck do you play mafia btw

i haven't had the mental wherewithal to give a shit about a game since rocks

and might still not

watched the entire syllabus, 11/10 would learn cognitive psych again